OT: Adam Lambert is gay...hm. Never knew!!

[Duncan]

There goes his American Idol. He only screams anyway. I hate American Idol, I know the rating are huge, but there's only 1 AI, and that's Kelly Clarkson. There will never be another one.

Having heard your Guitar Hero vocals are you really in a position to criticize anyones vocal ability???

That was Prog wasn't it? Or did I miss something?

No, Prog's wasn't guitar hero, his was a real band.

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Now playing: R. Kelly - Happ People

[G.I.Jim]

I have two really close friends who I can very safely say don't fit the stereotypical "catty dramatic backstabbing female" stereotype. And this is exactly WHY the three of us get along so well. I just aced a person out of my life because she's that exact stereotype times 100.

...And I'm sure you're already thanking yourself for that.

[bluejeangirl76]

I have two really close friends who I can very safely say don't fit the stereotypical "catty dramatic backstabbing female" stereotype. And this is exactly WHY the three of us get along so well. I just aced a person out of my life because she's that exact stereotype times 100.

...And I'm sure you're already thanking yourself for that.

Yep. You better believe it. I'm in a drama-free zone and my knife wounds didn't even scar. I'm unaffected and happy.

Pass the tequila and let's party it up.

[Deb]

gay or not, the guy can sing... BUT I could not listen to an album's worth of his voice. It's good in small doses.

Was just thinking kinda the same thing. I don't care whether he's gay or not, he CAN sing. His sexual preference is none of my business. He's got a great voice, but I think what Slash said was right on the money...about playing around more in his lower range, the only part of his vocals I don't like are when he gets all theatrical up in his high range, even if just tone down the high end vocal acrobatics a bit he would be killer!

[BobbyinTN]

You know, I don't think anyone here has a problem with him preferring the company of men over woman (what Adam Lambert does in spare time is non of our business, but unfortunately some people like to express themselves and cram it down your throat, by making statements) Just becauce your gay, it doesn't mean you have to tell the world about it, nobody cares.

So let me ask a question - if I post a picture on my facebook of me kissing a guy, am I "cramming it down your throat" that I'm straight? Why shouldn't they be proud of their relationship as well?

I believe those who feel like these things are being shoved in their face are the only ones with the issues. If a gay couple posts a picture on their own facebook, or kiss in public, aren't they just doing the same things the straight population is doing? But instead, they're accused of purposely shoving it in your face. I say if you can't handle it (and by "you" I mean in general, not directed at anyone specific), then that's your problem, not theirs.

Beautifully stated and as the resident gay guy who loves melodic-rock, music is music and to think that a gay guy or a lesbian can't rock as hard as anyone else is hateful and wrong. Melissa Etheridge is one of the greatest rock musicians ever, and many have mentioned, Freddie Mercury set the fuckin' standard for front men who were not only great singers, but amazing musicians.

[BobbyinTN]

You know, I don't think anyone here has a problem with him preferring the company of men over woman (what Adam Lambert does in spare time is non of our business, but unfortunately some people like to express themselves and cram it down your throat, by making statements) Just becauce your gay, it doesn't mean you have to tell the world about it, nobody cares.

So let me ask a question - if I post a picture on my facebook of me kissing a guy, am I "cramming it down your throat" that I'm straight? Why shouldn't they be proud of their relationship as well?

I believe those who feel like these things are being shoved in their face are the only ones with the issues. If a gay couple posts a picture on their own facebook, or kiss in public, aren't they just doing the same things the straight population is doing? But instead, they're accused of purposely shoving it in your face. I say if you can't handle it (and by "you" I mean in general, not directed at anyone specific), then that's your problem, not theirs.

You know, most reports of homophobia are pretty rampantly exaggerated. I had an openly gay kid on my college athletic team come and play for two years. Yeah, "fag" was part of our every day vocabulary and "gay" was a favored adjective to describe something unfavorable etc etc. One of your average gay rights or extreme liberal zealots would have been appalled to hear our conversations on the way home from games and such.

Anyway, this kid was not as manly as Clint Eastwood, but he wasn't flamboyant by any means. You weren't surprised to find out he was gay, per se, but it wasn't like he was completely effeminate and obvious. Anyway, we had no problems with the kid at all. I even had to share a hotel room with him once with another teammate. There was really no problem at all. He chilled with us, hung out with us etc. If there's any atmosphere for homophobia, it's the testosterone-heightened environment of sports and competition. So anyway, that's that. He's still in touch with us regularly and I still consider him a friend. I know other gays that I consider friends as well, though I haven't been as close to them as this kid.

With all that said, it doesn't mean I have to accept what they're doing as simply different from me or society or nature. Contrary to the Facebook example, identical straight behavior vs identical gay behavior is not identical at all because homosexuality is a deviant behavior, however sugarcoated you want to have it. Whatever homosexuality is caused by (I personally think most are born with genetic predisposition and a few choose), it is NOT NATURAL. Consider this: What would happen if every last man and woman on earth turned gay? No, please don't say "artificial insemination" you bleeding hearts. I don't have to like the parades, the constant overtures for me to affirm for them that it's ok, and the absurd notion of trying to change the definition of the word "marriage" (the key elements: man AND woman). This is the exact kind of thing that extreme gays think they are entitled to do: http://www.masscops.com/forums/new-engl ... h-sex.html ... just "because."

That just ain't right. So yes, cramming deviant social behavior down my throat is offensive to me. They can do whatever they want, date whoever they want, enter civil unions with whoever they want (give them the tax breaks/power of attorney/whatever else so they stop trying to change the definition of 'marriage'), and whatever else. But just because they aren't wired to behave naturally doesn't give them special rights. I'm not out to get them or stop them from doing most things, I just don't have to pretend to tow the social liberal party line and not have any problem with it.

Homosexuality is recorded in over 500 species of animals. Long term relationships within those 500 species. That makes it NATURAL.

Natural is different for every individual and homosexuality is no more "deviant" than heterosexuality.

[zigzag]

You know, I don't think anyone here has a problem with him preferring the company of men over woman (what Adam Lambert does in spare time is non of our business, but unfortunately some people like to express themselves and cram it down your throat, by making statements) Just becauce your gay, it doesn't mean you have to tell the world about it, nobody cares.

So let me ask a question - if I post a picture on my facebook of me kissing a guy, am I "cramming it down your throat" that I'm straight? Why shouldn't they be proud of their relationship as well?

I believe those who feel like these things are being shoved in their face are the only ones with the issues. If a gay couple posts a picture on their own facebook, or kiss in public, aren't they just doing the same things the straight population is doing? But instead, they're accused of purposely shoving it in your face. I say if you can't handle it (and by "you" I mean in general, not directed at anyone specific), then that's your problem, not theirs.

Beautifully stated and as the resident gay guy who loves melodic-rock, music is music and to think that a gay guy or a lesbian can't rock as hard as anyone else is hateful and wrong. Melissa Etheridge is one of the greatest rock musicians ever, and many have mentioned, Freddie Mercury set the fuckin' standard for front men who were not only great singers, but amazing musicians.

Right on. Music is music. I listen to all kinds. KD Lang is another amazing musician. I get goosebumps watching her perform. Keep on rockin all!!

[Voyager]

Contrary to the Facebook example, identical straight behavior vs identical gay behavior is not identical at all because homosexuality is a deviant behavior, however sugarcoated you want to have it. Whatever homosexuality is caused by (I personally think most are born with genetic predisposition and a few choose), it is NOT NATURAL.

I see it more like it is simply different than your traditional view on sexual relationships, but I don't think it has anything to do with being unnatural. Is it abnormal for our two male pomeranians to hump each other? Should I take them to the vet to be evaluated for deviant sexual behavior? What if one of my daughters happens to turn out gay - should I label her an "unnatural deviant" and treat her accordingly?

The far right wing of this country sure has created a lot of bigotry. Bashing gays is no different than bashing black people, hispanics, or any other minority.

[Ehwmatt]

I see it more like it is simply different than your traditional view on sexual relationships, but I don't think it has anything to do with being unnatural. Is it abnormal for our two male pomeranians to hump each other? Should I take them to the vet to be evaluated for deviant sexual behavior? What if one of my daughters happens to turn out gay - should I label her an "unnatural deviant" and treat her accordingly?

The far right wing of this country sure has created a lot of bigotry. Bashing gays is no different than bashing black people, hispanics, or any other minority.

The far left of this country has sure made it hard to have views that don't fall 100% in line with theirs .

I really hope you're not playing the bigot/race card on me man, come on. It's not ok to "bash" gays (in this instance, deciding Adam cannot "rock" because he is gay). I'm not going to go to Bobby's house and "get him" for being gay. I just don't have to sit here and believe that it is an intended offshoot of natural human/living creature sexuality. Labeling something deviant doesn't go hand in hand with executing them, imprisoning them, or denying them rights, whatever history of discrimination may be in the past. Living creatures are hard-wired to reproduce. Aside from the hours spent in your formative years beating your cock to a pulp to nudey magazines, there is another deep-seated reason you're attracted to that big rack and tight snatch. Heterosexuality is the NATURAL inclination. Animal homosexuality isn't any more natural than human and that doesn't prove anything. Again, if I could wave my hand and make everyone and everything homosexual, where would that leave us?

[Voyager]

Again, if I could wave my hand and make everyone and everything homosexual, where would that leave us?

Now that would be unnatural.

[DracIsBack]

To be honest, who cares if he's into men, women or small forest animals? I'm honestly surprised in this day and age, people really still care about who someone likes?

As for people talking about their sex lives and stuff, I don't particularly want to read a gay man or woman talk about it any more than I want to hear a straight person talk about it and don't really see it any differently.

Who the heck hasn't been to a club at some point in their life and had to see some straight couple makin' out while everyone else around reaches for a rain-coat and some anti-nausia medication? Gay or straight ... don't really wanna see it.

[journey361]

I can relate to finding this out concerning this issue because i do remember way back in 1978 when i was eating dinner with my family (im 49 now) and the radio was on and i heard the announcer (DJ) read a paragraph (promotional) and he played a song from a band called JOURNEY and the song was lights (with a soundcheck included) and we all could not believe what we were hearing. That voice was unlike anything we ever had heard, ever. The soundcheck was jaw droping and I remember my mom (who sang professional herself) was in awe as we all were. That singer's name was Steve Perry. Eight months into their first album (INFINITY) that question was raised and it changed the way i felt about Steve Perry, a little. Of course years later, we know he is not gay and who cares anyway if he is. But it can change your attitude or feeling towards your hero somewhat. Why, i don't really know, but it can.

[Ehwmatt]

I can relate to finding this out concerning this issue because i do remember way back in 1978 when i was eating dinner with my family (im 49 now) and the radio was on and i heard the announcer (DJ) read a paragraph (promotional) and he played a song from a band called JOURNEY and the song was lights (with a soundcheck included) and we all could not believe what we were hearing. That voice was unlike anything we ever had heard, ever. The soundcheck was jaw droping and I remember my mom (who sang professional herself) was in awe as we all were. That singer's name was Steve Perry. Eight months into their first album (INFINITY) that question was raised and it changed the way i felt about Steve Perry, a little. Of course years later, we know he is not gay and who cares anyway if he is. But it can change your attitude or feeling towards your hero somewhat. Why, i don't really know, but it can.

My favorite gay rumor floating around right now is Vin Diesel. I mean seriously, I don't care how accepting you are, wouldn't that change your perception of Vin at least a little?

[journey361]

+1, that's what i'm saying.

[Ehwmatt]

But yeah, if you're short-sighted enough not to enjoy Elton John/Freddie because they're gay, or even worse, simply not liking someone's work any more because you found out after the fact (i.e. if SP came out tomorrow or something like that...), that's kinda dumb too.

[journey361]

Nothing will ever change my mind concerning how i feel about Steve Perry. No matter what, i think he's the greatest singer to ever walk this earth. Yea, i am so pissed at him for laying low for what now, 20 years and not recording anything. I have to agree that the horrible non-stop vocal merry-go-round he did has taken it's toll on his voice. I see no other explanation, none. So he deserves whatever he wants out of life. No recording or in fact recording.

[Duncan]

How can homosexuality be a product of nature but at the same time not be natural? I suspect those that have a hang up about this are the usual Christian fundamentalists who spout the usual shit about the bible says blah blah.

Life is beautiful, people are beautiful, love is beautiful... and there is no God. That's just the way it is.

[Voyager]

My favorite gay rumor floating around right now is Vin Diesel. I mean seriously, I don't care how accepting you are, wouldn't that change your perception of Vin at least a little?

I don't care for him anyway, so it wouldn't make any difference.

My perception of Rob Halford didn't change. I didn't burn all my Judas Priest CD's when I found out he was gay. I could care less.

The only perceptions of people that would be changed for me is when religious hypocrites who preach against gayness end up being exposed as closet gays. The ones who preach against it the most seem to be the ones who end up getting caught having gay affairs in hotel rooms with male escorts. What's up with that?

[journey361]

Man i agree, it's now 2009 going on 2010, who cares. I think Adam Lambert is great, and i could care less if he's gay.

[journey361]

So i'm going to ask myself this question. Would it bother me if Steve Perry announced tommorrow he's gay. Myself, no it would not. But what would bother me a hell of alot is that other people in all of lifes circles. Yes, it would bother me and piss me off. And one other question, if SP would announce tommorrow he's gay, would that hurt his legacy?

[Duncan]

Man i agree, it's now 2009 going on 2010, who cares. I think Adam Lambert is great, and i could care less if he's gay.

I think Adam Lambert is shit, and I couldn't care less if he's gay.

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Now playing: The B'zz - Get up Get Angry

[Michigan Girl]

So i'm going to ask myself this question. Would it bother me if Steve Perry announced tommorrow he's gay. Myself, no it would not. But what would bother me a hell of alot is that other people in all of lifes circles. Yes, it would bother me and piss me off. And one other question, if SP would announce tommorrow he's gay, would that hurt his legacy?

I guess I don't understand what you're trying to say...... , but I want to!!!!

[journey361]

All circles meaning fans, music business, media, e.t.c. Would they bash him, would his songs all the sudden stop playing in movies, comm., e.t.c. And what about his legacy. How would it effect it?

[Michigan Girl]

All circles meaning fans, music business, media, e.t.c. Would they bash him, would his songs all the sudden stop playing in movies, comm., e.t.c. And what about his legacy. How would it effect it?

Gotcha......

[squirt1]

Bobby- Check out the new brain scan info and the Swedish studies from 25 yrs ago. It is certain religions and not party affiliation that judges. Geez on top of that worms are both sexes and other animals and humanity.

[FishinMagician]

I see it more like it is simply different than your traditional view on sexual relationships, but I don't think it has anything to do with being unnatural. Is it abnormal for our two male pomeranians to hump each other? Should I take them to the vet to be evaluated for deviant sexual behavior? What if one of my daughters happens to turn out gay - should I label her an "unnatural deviant" and treat her accordingly?

The far right wing of this country sure has created a lot of bigotry. Bashing gays is no different than bashing black people, hispanics, or any other minority.

The far left of this country has sure made it hard to have views that don't fall 100% in line with theirs .

I really hope you're not playing the bigot/race card on me man, come on. It's not ok to "bash" gays (in this instance, deciding Adam cannot "rock" because he is gay). I'm not going to go to Bobby's house and "get him" for being gay. I just don't have to sit here and believe that it is an intended offshoot of natural human/living creature sexuality. Labeling something deviant doesn't go hand in hand with executing them, imprisoning them, or denying them rights, whatever history of discrimination may be in the past. Living creatures are hard-wired to reproduce. Aside from the hours spent in your formative years beating your cock to a pulp to nudey magazines, there is another deep-seated reason you're attracted to that big rack and tight snatch. Heterosexuality is the NATURAL inclination. Animal homosexuality isn't any more natural than human and that doesn't prove anything. Again, if I could wave my hand and make everyone and everything homosexual, where would that leave us?

the whole population would never be gay. the number of people that identify with being gay is not and will not ever be statistically significant enough to be a problem in regards to reproduction. it's been around forever. but i know you're not saying that being deviant is bad or anything

[FishinMagician]

oh, and why the fuck is this news?!

[G.I.Jim]

Here's some video of this whole mess. Man, I never saw this coming!


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3HrSN7176XI

[Voyager]

oh, and why the fuck is this news?!

Because Steve Perry retired?

[BobbyinTN]

I see it more like it is simply different than your traditional view on sexual relationships, but I don't think it has anything to do with being unnatural. Is it abnormal for our two male pomeranians to hump each other? Should I take them to the vet to be evaluated for deviant sexual behavior? What if one of my daughters happens to turn out gay - should I label her an "unnatural deviant" and treat her accordingly?

The far right wing of this country sure has created a lot of bigotry. Bashing gays is no different than bashing black people, hispanics, or any other minority.

The far left of this country has sure made it hard to have views that don't fall 100% in line with theirs .

I really hope you're not playing the bigot/race card on me man, come on. It's not ok to "bash" gays (in this instance, deciding Adam cannot "rock" because he is gay). I'm not going to go to Bobby's house and "get him" for being gay. I just don't have to sit here and believe that it is an intended offshoot of natural human/living creature sexuality. Labeling something deviant doesn't go hand in hand with executing them, imprisoning them, or denying them rights, whatever history of discrimination may be in the past. Living creatures are hard-wired to reproduce. Aside from the hours spent in your formative years beating your cock to a pulp to nudey magazines, there is another deep-seated reason you're attracted to that big rack and tight snatch. Heterosexuality is the NATURAL inclination. Animal homosexuality isn't any more natural than human and that doesn't prove anything. Again, if I could wave my hand and make everyone and everything homosexual, where would that leave us?

Ehwmatt, you seem like a pretty reasonable guy, and you hit on something VERY true, for YOU. "another deep-seated reason you're attracted to that big rack and tight snatch", you see, "naturally", I'm not attracted to that, and while I find a woman's body beautiful, I have no "natural attraction" to it, nor do any of my male friends, but my lesbian friends are a different story. If we weren't "hard wired" to be who we are, we wouldn't be who we are.

The biggest mistake people make is thinking that we're playing a game or choosing this. Now, I'm not like some gay people who will say, "I'd never choose to be gay if I had a choice", because I've had a really good life and the only negative comments I get are from people like you who don't really understand and don't want to understand. (no disrespect)


Natural is an individual thing. I mean make-up, microwaves, and ipods aren't "natural", but they exist. So saying something isn't "natural" is way out of bound. Birth control is the opposite of natural, breast implants are NO natural, and I could go on and on.


Here's what I tell people during this discussion. Go to the most remote place in this world. Find a tribe of people that don't read, don't have a religion or any contact with the outside world and among those people you will find a homosexual.

Another scientific theory of homosexuality, since it's only about 8 to 10% of the population is natural population control engineered by "nature".


Okay, the soap box is gone, sorry to keep on, but I think if someone takes a minute to try and understand instead of knee-jerking to conclusions the world might be a better place.


I don't care who anyone fucks, or loves or lives with, (as long as they are legal and consensual), so why should somone care who I love, live with or fuck?


The bottom line is this, if someone has a problem with a gay artists, it's obvious that person's problem and not the artist's.