H1N1 Flu Vaccine Consent Form,Would You Let Your Kids?

[portland]

Yes, I would sign the consent form. This strain of flu is particularly hard on kids; even healthy ones can die.

http://www.statesman.com/search/content ... death.html


I got the flu 4 years ago after a Journey concert in Palm Springs and felt as bad as I have ever felt in my life to two solid weeks. Since then I have gotten the shots every year. If it is preventable, why risk having to (or have your kids) suffer through it?

exactly there is no reason to suffer through..and kids take it the hardest.

[WalkInMyShoes]

the thing i'm wondering is can it hurt your kids or make them very sick if they take the shot?

They could possibly have a bad reaction I guess if they had some health issues that this shot only made worse. Like my uncle when he was a little kid almost died when they found out that he was allergic to penicillin, but only after he was injected with it did they learn he was allergic to it and by that time he was very close to dying from it. This flu thing could be completely different. I've been lead to believe that when they give the flu shot to people, they are actually giving them a mild case of it and that the body automatically fights off the disease and in turn becoming immune to it. Am I comfortable receiving this in my system, not particularily. My wife doesnt' get the shots either, our daughter gets everything taken care of during her scheduled doctor visits because she's still under two years old.

Here's the accurate info SH....

http://www.cdc.gov/h1n1flu/vaccination/vaccine_safety_qa.htm

Pardon me for not taking anything with .gov after the extension without at least a tiny grain of salt. I'm not going all conspiracy theory here, but I don't think they really know as much as they pretend to know.

If you play your odds, you're probably right. But there are certainly alot of stories about low risk people dying (a 6 year old in my city just died and he had NO medical problems). Some of us were around in the 1970's when "swine flu" was here and may have some immunity to it and although less than 40% of the population gets a flu shot, it probably does protect a greater portion of the population because there's less people to spread it. If H1N1 had been identified as potentially causing this pandemic, it would have been put in the regular seasonal flu shot. 36,000 people die every year from influenza, so it's not a miniscule problem. I do believe that people should have a choice about what to do, but then who pays for it when you are the one that gets the flu/pneumonia or needs to be in the ICU for a month if you didn't take the recommended precautions? Kind of like motorcycle riders who don't wear helmets - drives me crazy!

I must admit that until 4 years ago I had never gotten a flu shot, but was "strongly encouraged" by my hospital to get one and I've been persuaded that it's probably the right thing to do annually by reading alot of scientific material on the subject. There is some rationale in not being too sterile in our lives so we do get exposed to nonlethal things but almost no one has immunity to this virus and we don't want an epidemic that would kill hundreds of thousands of people.

Sorry, this is clearly too serious........should we go back to talking about boobies?????

[Ehwmatt]

If you're calling me paranoid, that's funny. But maybe it's the other way around. Seems to me those going wild about the flu are the paranoid ones

[Arkansas]

The flu, in whatever form, is serious business. If you get hit, do what's necessary. However, most people's problems are lack of personal responsibility. Take care of yourself, in all ways, and you're less likely to get sick.

Eat healthy.
Wash your hands.
Don't bring in dirty shoes.
Grow a garden.
Live simply.
Meditate.

(Drink lots of filtered gin. )



later~

[Lula]

i will be getting it. my fear is bringing something home from the germ infested middle school i serve. i'll be discussing the h1n1 vaccine with wyatt's pediatrician. he had the regular flu shot last year and will be getting one this year as well. we both have colds right now so have to wait before having the poison injected .

[larryfromnextdoor]

(Drink lots of filtered gin. )

[Ehwmatt]

The flu, in whatever form, is serious business. If you get hit, do what's necessary. However, most people's problems are lack of personal responsibility. Take care of yourself, in all ways, and you're less likely to get sick.

Eat healthy.
Wash your hands.
Don't bring in dirty shoes.
Grow a garden.
Live simply.
Meditate.

(Drink lots of filtered gin. )



later~

Work out! I rarely ever miss a day

[Angel]

If you're calling me paranoid, that's funny. But maybe it's the other way around. Seems to me those going wild about the flu are the paranoid ones

Not paranoid, just have different, values, beliefs and feelings about the whole thing than you do-and that's OK. I've already said it a few times-if you don't feel the flu shot or the H1N1 vaccine is something you want, fine but it doesn't mean that those that do choose to have it are paranoid.

[stevew2]

(Drink lots of filtered gin. )

fuck gin it taste like Hi Karate aftershave [remember that shit?

[squirt1]

I will be getting H1N1 if I can. There is not enough to vaccinate even 40% as of 10/13. Much of what is available will go to health care workers. YOUNG children and pregnant woman or those with asthma or chronic lung are at extreme risk and this is only October. I want to be around my grandson w/o endangering .The deaths will be reported and the scarse availibility of the vaccine could start a panic. We have schools closing and some teams with several players out. It is too early to get the big picture yet.

[RedWingFan]

Why is this thread in the Journey forum????

[The Sushi Hunter]

This looks like a slippery slope. Before long it's not a permission slip to administer a vacination...it's a waiver to not.
Before you know it, parents will be defending their right to waive out of what becomes a required vacination.

Not only that, but there's some information out there by respectible members of the medical community that have suggested that the H1N1 treatments (vacinations and anti-viral meds) were rushed into production....and aren't as effective as they should be.

One might also consider the recent increase in severity of flu strains over the past few years as flu shots have been put into increasing use. As the pharmaceutical community rushes out a flu-shot each year....they may be inadvertantly allowing flu strains to superstrain into more resistant mutations.

I believe that's what's happening now. These flu shots that you get each year at CVS may prevent you from getting sick, but in the end, it's also preventing us as humans to deal with flu virus's the way our bodies are supposed to.

I think more limited use of these vacinations is far more prudent. Save it for people with impaired immunity systems or the elderly. Children shouldn't be given them either, because their immune systems need to develop....not be impaired by vacinations of this type.

just sayin....

That's true, and that's why one of the worst place to catch a virus or disease is at the hospital, because at the hospital they are disinfecting and sterilizing everything and the germs there mutate and become immune to the medicine that was intended to eliminate them. You catch a virus or disease at the hospital and it's a real bitch to get rid of it, cause it's mutated and is immune to most medicines.

[The Sushi Hunter]

Why is this thread in the Journey forum????

DrFU mentioned that she caught the flu years back after attending a Journey concert. So not all is lost, we have mentioned Journey here so that makes it o.k. Yes...no?

[Abitaman]

I got my shot (regular) the other day, but I work in a hospital. Wish they would have come out sooner, about 1/4 of our staff has had it already. Our schools are out extra time for fall break because of the amount of kids out with the flu. Some areas have 20% or more of the kids out. I have had one in my family out sick with the flu so far. She was out a week, and felt bad for another week.
Our hospital starts swine flu shots in a week, I'll get mine, I just can't afford to miss work. But I would have no problem, from what I have seen or heard, letting my kids have the flu shot, either of them.

[Chubby321]

The company I am working for provided huge bottles of hand sanitizer.

[Esc]

The company I am working for provided huge bottles of hand sanitizer.

ahaa!
so its the companies that make hand sanitizers who developed this H1N1 virus!

[strangegrey]

That's true, and that's why one of the worst place to catch a virus or disease is at the hospital, because at the hospital they are disinfecting and sterilizing everything and the germs there mutate and become immune to the medicine that was intended to eliminate them. You catch a virus or disease at the hospital and it's a real bitch to get rid of it, cause it's mutated and is immune to most medicines.

Well said. My son was in the hospital when he was 3, for a sinus infection that superstrained into a celulitis growth above his eye. It happened because our idiot pediatrician (who is anti-biotic happy) prescribed a mild anti-biotic to deal with an ear infection while ignoring the fact that my son fighting a sinus infection.


He was sent to the hospital and we had him on IV anti-biotics for a week. Since he was so small, they couldn't maintain a working IV, so they had to do a pic-line.....when we finally got him released from the hospital, he came home with rotavirus....and gave it to all of us. It took the family 3 times as long as the original hospital stay, to fight the rotavirus.

[Ehwmatt]

If you're calling me paranoid, that's funny. But maybe it's the other way around. Seems to me those going wild about the flu are the paranoid ones

Not paranoid, just have different, values, beliefs and feelings about the whole thing than you do-and that's OK. I've already said it a few times-if you don't feel the flu shot or the H1N1 vaccine is something you want, fine but it doesn't mean that those that do choose to have it are paranoid.

No, but the 100% healthy people who never got a flu shot ever before and are now suddenly rushing out to get one just because of this media circus is hilarious. Someone posted a figure of 36,000 or thereabouts of people who die... from what I understand, most healthy people don't just get the flu and nothing else and just keel over. From what I understand, it's those who get it who already have something(s) else going on, health-wise, that suffer the severe adverse consequences.

[brywool]

The flu, in whatever form, is serious business. If you get hit, do what's necessary. However, most people's problems are lack of personal responsibility. Take care of yourself, in all ways, and you're less likely to get sick.

Eat healthy.
Wash your hands.
Don't bring in dirty shoes.
Grow a garden.
Live simply.
Meditate.

(Drink lots of filtered gin. )



later~

Work out! I rarely ever miss a day

Great, I'm screwed....

[mikemarrs]

right now i'm leaning towards not doing it.going to spend the rest of the day studying up on it.they are saying this is experimental plus there might be certain risks.still not sure but it seems a bit rushed to me.

Some of the reasons:




Adjuvants are added to vaccines to boost production of antibodies but may trigger autoimmune reactions. Some adjuvants are mercury (thimerosal), aluminum and squalene. Why would you sign a consent form for your children to be injected with mercury, which is even more brain-toxic than lead?


There is a very probable connection of Squalene adjuvants to the ghastly autoimmune conditions of Gulf War Syndrome, even though the DOD and Novartis will deny this until their final breath. Read the book ‘Vaccine A’ . Injected Squalene emulsion is commonly used to induce autoimmune disease in experimental animals. If this adjuvant is injected into millions of people the results could be apocalyptic.




This is the first year mock vaccines have been used to gain FDA approval. The vaccines that have been tested are not the same vaccines your children will be given.




Over-vaccination is a common practice now in America. American children are subjected to 29 vaccines by the age of two. Meanwhile, veterinarians have backed off of repeat vaccination in dogs because of observed side effects.



Modern medicine has no explanation for autism, despite its continued rise in prevalence. Yet autism is not reported among Amish children who go unvaccinated.


Public health officials are irresponsible in their omission of any ways to strengthen immunity against the flu. No options outside of problematic vaccines and anti-flu drugs are offered, despite the fact there is strong evidence that vitamins C and D activate the immune system and the trace mineral selenium prevents the worst form of the disease.

[Arianddu]

Aaaaaaand this is in the Journey forum and not the Whateverwe'recallingittoday forum why exactly? Did Fro get the Flu? Is H1N1 the name of the next album? Will Cain stop writing about faded photographs and all these years and write about vaccination debates instead?

[JasonD]

I just heard Cleveland Cav player LeBron James & 2 of his teammates tested positive for the H1N1 virus. Maybe Ehwmatt can confirm if this is true or just a rumor.

[Ehwmatt]

I just heard Cleveland Cav player LeBron James & 2 of his teammates tested positive for the H1N1 virus. Maybe Ehwmatt can confirm if this is true or just a rumor.

Well... they have tested positive for Influenza A. H1N1 is a strain of "A," but their H1N1-specific test has not come back yet. At any rate, a couple of days in bed, sat out a game and a practice, and they're doing much better. "Very, very scary." The cold I've had for the last 8 days is a lot more debilitating in the long run.

http://www.cleveland.com/cavs/index.ssf ... and_c.html

[StevePerryHair]

I just heard Cleveland Cav player LeBron James & 2 of his teammates tested positive for the H1N1 virus. Maybe Ehwmatt can confirm if this is true or just a rumor.

Well... they have tested positive for Influenza A. H1N1 is a strain of "A," but their H1N1-specific test has not come back yet. At any rate, a couple of days in bed, sat out a game and a practice, and they're doing much better. "Very, very scary." The cold I've had for the last 8 days is a lot more debilitating in the long run.

http://www.cleveland.com/cavs/index.ssf ... and_c.html

EXACTLY!! That's what I learned from my son's dr visit when he tested positive for influenza A. He had his seasonal flu shot weeks ago. They are not confirming any cases at all. They are just assuming ALL influenza A positive screening tests are H1N1 based on CDC tracking. Anyone who said they tested positive can't be 100% sure, but it is likely. And my son has asthma history, so he was a candidate for tamiflu since I got him in quickly. He's on day 5 today doing very well. Never even needed his inhaler. He was miserable for two days and now just has his cough left. I've had him worse with other colds and flus. They don't need to confirm these cases. There is no point in knowing. It's a flu like any flu and it's treated exactly the same, so what's the point. You just have to watch symptoms closely is all. If things get worse and not better you seek care.

[Abitaman]

I just heard Cleveland Cav player LeBron James & 2 of his teammates tested positive for the H1N1 virus. Maybe Ehwmatt can confirm if this is true or just a rumor.

Well... they have tested positive for Influenza A. H1N1 is a strain of "A," but their H1N1-specific test has not come back yet. At any rate, a couple of days in bed, sat out a game and a practice, and they're doing much better. "Very, very scary." The cold I've had for the last 8 days is a lot more debilitating in the long run.

http://www.cleveland.com/cavs/index.ssf ... and_c.html

EXACTLY!! That's what I learned from my son's dr visit when he tested positive for influenza A. He had his seasonal flu shot weeks ago. They are not confirming any cases at all. They are just assuming ALL influenza A positive screening tests are H1N1 based on CDC tracking. Anyone who said they tested positive can't be 100% sure, but it is likely. And my son has asthma history, so he was a candidate for tamiflu since I got him in quickly. He's on day 5 today doing very well. Never even needed his inhaler. He was miserable for two days and now just has his cough left. I've had him worse with other colds and flus. They don't need to confirm these cases. There is no point in knowing. It's a flu like any flu and it's treated exactly the same, so what's the point. You just have to watch symptoms closely is all. If things get worse and not better you seek care.

You can have a test done to find out witch flu it is. But in most cases the insurance will not pay for it. It is $250.00 out of pocket were I live.

[StevePerryHair]

I just heard Cleveland Cav player LeBron James & 2 of his teammates tested positive for the H1N1 virus. Maybe Ehwmatt can confirm if this is true or just a rumor.

Well... they have tested positive for Influenza A. H1N1 is a strain of "A," but their H1N1-specific test has not come back yet. At any rate, a couple of days in bed, sat out a game and a practice, and they're doing much better. "Very, very scary." The cold I've had for the last 8 days is a lot more debilitating in the long run.

http://www.cleveland.com/cavs/index.ssf ... and_c.html

EXACTLY!! That's what I learned from my son's dr visit when he tested positive for influenza A. He had his seasonal flu shot weeks ago. They are not confirming any cases at all. They are just assuming ALL influenza A positive screening tests are H1N1 based on CDC tracking. Anyone who said they tested positive can't be 100% sure, but it is likely. And my son has asthma history, so he was a candidate for tamiflu since I got him in quickly. He's on day 5 today doing very well. Never even needed his inhaler. He was miserable for two days and now just has his cough left. I've had him worse with other colds and flus. They don't need to confirm these cases. There is no point in knowing. It's a flu like any flu and it's treated exactly the same, so what's the point. You just have to watch symptoms closely is all. If things get worse and not better you seek care.

You can have a test done to find out witch flu it is. But in most cases the insurance will not pay for it. It is $250.00 out of pocket were I live.

Yes, I know the test exists. They are not just routinely sending them off was my point. And WHAT a waste of money! Why want to know? It's the flu. There are so many strains of flu. Do you know that a strain they have in a vaccine at the beginning of the season can mutate by the end of flu season, and you can still get that same flu that was in the vaccine? Probably a more mild case, but you'd still get it. Flus mutate all the time. There is just no point in knowing.

[Abitaman]

There is really not a point of knowing, just sounded like you wanted to know. One of my kids has already had the flu this year, I did not get the test done. They both are treated the same way.

[StevePerryHair]

There is really not a point of knowing, just sounded like you wanted to know. One of my kids has already had the flu this year, I did not get the test done. They both are treated the same way.

Oh no! I didn't want to know. I just wanted people to realize all these people running around saying they have H1N1 can't possibly know 100% for sure they do was all. I don't want to know. It's irrelevent to me. We watch my son really closely because of his asthma history anyway. And my daughter has it too, and it is taking her longer to feel better, most likely because she didn't get the tamiflu, but I don't see her as being any sicker than she has with other viruses either.

[Ehwmatt]

Honestly you're probably doing them a favor letting them get sick now anyway, it builds their immune systems. Some of the most fragile friends I had/have as far as getting sick often are those with doctors as parents. Pure conjecture here on my part, but I'm guessing they got a lot of vaccinations as young kids... hmm.

As far as the flu, it's the flu. Yeah it's not fun to get it or worse, watch a little one in agony from it, but really, unless you have something else going on, you're going to be fine in a few days. You just have to know to be vigilant when something else is involved, like asthma.

[Ehwmatt]

James believes he may have gotten the flu from the shot he and his teammates got recently to fight the virus. He said his two young sons have not shown any symptoms of being sick.