NEW Perry/Journey rumor?

[jrnyjetster]

The fact that he thinks he has the "right" opinion.

So what's your opinion on the subject, portland?

[jrnyjetster]

It won't sell a million to non Filipinos, no way.

We'll see, Deano. You honestly think Revelation went platinum based soley on the Filipino fan base?

[steveo777]

It won't sell a million to non Filipinos, no way.

We'll see, Deano. You honestly think Revelation went platinum based soley on the Filipino fan base?

Of course.....don't ya know album sales numbers are always about nationality and never about the music!

Deano is really not relevant to any Journey discussion because he will never be objective because he hates the band so much.
I have not been personally effected like this, nor have the majority of the fans. Apparently he was inside and saw a different side
than most of us ever see. Thankfully, I don't know that side, so I can still enjoy the band.

[FamilyMan]

Can't see these guys being out publicly. They would know it would start the rumor mill.

[Rockindeano]

It won't sell a million to non Filipinos, no way.

We'll see, Deano. You honestly think Revelation went platinum based soley on the Filipino fan base?

Oh absolutely. Without the Filipino fans, it doesn't even go gold. What are the sales? 900K? At least 500K are Pinheads. Why do I say this? Look at Arrival and it's meager sales. Generations sold 100K. The band had a feel good story and got on Oprah, but that isn't worth 800K sales. Don't you find the addition of Pineda to be the difference between Journey/Augeri and current? I do.

[steveo777]

It won't sell a million to non Filipinos, no way.

We'll see, Deano. You honestly think Revelation went platinum based soley on the Filipino fan base?

Oh absolutely. Without the Filipino fans, it doesn't even go gold. What are the sales? 900K? At least 500K are Pinheads. Why do I say this? Look at Arrival and it's meager sales. Generations sold 100K. The band had a feel good story and got on Oprah, but that isn't worth 800K sales. Don't you find the addition of Pineda to be the difference between Journey/Augeri and current? I do.

No.

For all some people don't like about Pineda, he has the best voice of any singer they've had since Perry.

That ain't Pinhead....it's the truth.

Now kindly go fuck a duck, sir!

[Rockindeano]

It won't sell a million to non Filipinos, no way.

We'll see, Deano. You honestly think Revelation went platinum based soley on the Filipino fan base?

Oh absolutely. Without the Filipino fans, it doesn't even go gold. What are the sales? 900K? At least 500K are Pinheads. Why do I say this? Look at Arrival and it's meager sales. Generations sold 100K. The band had a feel good story and got on Oprah, but that isn't worth 800K sales. Don't you find the addition of Pineda to be the difference between Journey/Augeri and current? I do.

No.

For all some people don't like about Pineda, he has the best voice of any singer they've had since Perry.

That ain't Pinhead....it's the truth.

That's not why they outsold Arrival. They outsold Arrival because he is a Filipino. Very clear and simple Steve. People aren't going to sit down and try to be sold on a new singer. Journey has it's history. The casual fan didn't buy Revelation. The Filipino's did.

[steveo777]

It won't sell a million to non Filipinos, no way.

We'll see, Deano. You honestly think Revelation went platinum based soley on the Filipino fan base?

Oh absolutely. Without the Filipino fans, it doesn't even go gold. What are the sales? 900K? At least 500K are Pinheads. Why do I say this? Look at Arrival and it's meager sales. Generations sold 100K. The band had a feel good story and got on Oprah, but that isn't worth 800K sales. Don't you find the addition of Pineda to be the difference between Journey/Augeri and current? I do.

No.

For all some people don't like about Pineda, he has the best voice of any singer they've had since Perry.

That ain't Pinhead....it's the truth.

That's not why they outsold Arrival. They outsold Arrival because he is a Filipino. Very clear and simple Steve. People aren't going to sit down and try to be sold on a new singer. Journey has it's history. The casual fan didn't buy Revelation. The Filipino's did.

Dude, how are you so cock sure of this? What empirical data have you got to back up your claim?
If there is something out there that proves this, show it, or else it's just heresay opinion and opinions are like assholes. You know that!

My brother and sister bought Revelation.
My mother owned Revelation before I did and didn't even know they had a new singer.
I have several "whitee" friends who bought Revelation.

I think you're wrong about the casual fan. Me thinks there are a bunch more of us whities that bought Rev.

Now I need to go kill this off:

[Andrew]

Hey, after seeing David Lee Roth back with Van Halen and Sting back with The Police, nothing would surprise me.

THIS would surprise me!!!!!

[Rockindeano]

It won't sell a million to non Filipinos, no way.

We'll see, Deano. You honestly think Revelation went platinum based soley on the Filipino fan base?

Oh absolutely. Without the Filipino fans, it doesn't even go gold. What are the sales? 900K? At least 500K are Pinheads. Why do I say this? Look at Arrival and it's meager sales. Generations sold 100K. The band had a feel good story and got on Oprah, but that isn't worth 800K sales. Don't you find the addition of Pineda to be the difference between Journey/Augeri and current? I do.

No.

For all some people don't like about Pineda, he has the best voice of any singer they've had since Perry.

That ain't Pinhead....it's the truth.

That's not why they outsold Arrival. They outsold Arrival because he is a Filipino. Very clear and simple Steve. People aren't going to sit down and try to be sold on a new singer. Journey has it's history. The casual fan didn't buy Revelation. The Filipino's did.

Dude, how are you so cock sure of this? What empirical data have you got to back up your claim?
If there is something out there that proves this, show it, or else it's just heresay opinion and opinions are like assholes. You know that!

My brother and sister bought Revelation.
My mother owned Revelation before I did and didn't even know they had a new singer.
I have several "whitee" friends who bought Revelation.

I think you're wrong about the casual fan. Me thinks there are a bunch more of us whities that bought Rev.

Now I need to go kill this off:

Goddammit Steve. Revelation came out of nowhere and outsold Arrival 4 to 1. You really think it's because everyday people gave it a listen and liked the music so much they had to have it? Come on, it's obviously the race of Pineda. He is the variable difference between the two eras. It makes sense. Even St John made this very point before Revelation was even recorded. The Asian angle will bring in new purchases and it did.

[perryswoman]

Hey, after seeing David Lee Roth back with Van Halen and Sting back with The Police, nothing would surprise me.

THIS would surprise me!!!!!

Me too but for enough money I have always said they would put differences aside.

[steveo777]

It won't sell a million to non Filipinos, no way.

We'll see, Deano. You honestly think Revelation went platinum based soley on the Filipino fan base?

Oh absolutely. Without the Filipino fans, it doesn't even go gold. What are the sales? 900K? At least 500K are Pinheads. Why do I say this? Look at Arrival and it's meager sales. Generations sold 100K. The band had a feel good story and got on Oprah, but that isn't worth 800K sales. Don't you find the addition of Pineda to be the difference between Journey/Augeri and current? I do.

No.

For all some people don't like about Pineda, he has the best voice of any singer they've had since Perry.

That ain't Pinhead....it's the truth.

That's not why they outsold Arrival. They outsold Arrival because he is a Filipino. Very clear and simple Steve. People aren't going to sit down and try to be sold on a new singer. Journey has it's history. The casual fan didn't buy Revelation. The Filipino's did.

Dude, how are you so cock sure of this? What empirical data have you got to back up your claim?
If there is something out there that proves this, show it, or else it's just heresay opinion and opinions are like assholes. You know that!

My brother and sister bought Revelation.
My mother owned Revelation before I did and didn't even know they had a new singer.
I have several "whitee" friends who bought Revelation.

I think you're wrong about the casual fan. Me thinks there are a bunch more of us whities that bought Rev.

Now I need to go kill this off:

Goddammit Steve. Revelation came out of nowhere and outsold Arrival 4 to 1. You really think it's because everyday people gave it a listen and liked the music so much they had to have it? Come on, it's obviously the race of Pineda. He is the variable difference between the two eras. It makes sense. Even St John made this very point before Revelation was even recorded. The Asian angle will bring in new purchases and it did.

Ok, yes, I agree the Filipinos helped push the sales of Revelation but you seem convinced that is all there is to it. I'm saying that there was good new music and the best voice that Journey had had since TBF. There are several factors that determined the success of this album. Look at the means of distribution....exclusive Walmart release. That's huge and this is not the first band that has this kind of success with sales throught Walmart.

What the fuck are we even arguing about this for?

[Rockindeano]

It won't sell a million to non Filipinos, no way.

We'll see, Deano. You honestly think Revelation went platinum based soley on the Filipino fan base?

Oh absolutely. Without the Filipino fans, it doesn't even go gold. What are the sales? 900K? At least 500K are Pinheads. Why do I say this? Look at Arrival and it's meager sales. Generations sold 100K. The band had a feel good story and got on Oprah, but that isn't worth 800K sales. Don't you find the addition of Pineda to be the difference between Journey/Augeri and current? I do.

No.

For all some people don't like about Pineda, he has the best voice of any singer they've had since Perry.

That ain't Pinhead....it's the truth.

That's not why they outsold Arrival. They outsold Arrival because he is a Filipino. Very clear and simple Steve. People aren't going to sit down and try to be sold on a new singer. Journey has it's history. The casual fan didn't buy Revelation. The Filipino's did.

Dude, how are you so cock sure of this? What empirical data have you got to back up your claim?
If there is something out there that proves this, show it, or else it's just heresay opinion and opinions are like assholes. You know that!

My brother and sister bought Revelation.
My mother owned Revelation before I did and didn't even know they had a new singer.
I have several "whitee" friends who bought Revelation.

I think you're wrong about the casual fan. Me thinks there are a bunch more of us whities that bought Rev.

Now I need to go kill this off:

Goddammit Steve. Revelation came out of nowhere and outsold Arrival 4 to 1. You really think it's because everyday people gave it a listen and liked the music so much they had to have it? Come on, it's obviously the race of Pineda. He is the variable difference between the two eras. It makes sense. Even St John made this very point before Revelation was even recorded. The Asian angle will bring in new purchases and it did.

Ok, yes, I agree the Filipinos helped push the sales of Revelation but you seem convinced that is all there is to it. I'm saying that there was good new music and the best voice that Journey had had since TBF. There are several factors that determined the success of this album. Look at the means of distribution....exclusive Walmart release. That's huge and this is not the first band that has this kind of success with sales throught Walmart.

It doesn't matter how good Pineda sings, that's my point. They didn't get any radio play, so people had no clue how well he sang. They(the Journey fan) were going to buy it anyway, before listening to it. The Filipino's were buying this thing as soon as Pineda was introduced. Come on, it's about national pride for them. They were going to be a proud people and support one of their own. They contributed to at least half of the sales.

[Michigan Girl]

It won't sell a million to non Filipinos, no way.

We'll see, Deano. You honestly think Revelation went platinum based soley on the Filipino fan base?

Oh absolutely. Without the Filipino fans, it doesn't even go gold. What are the sales? 900K? At least 500K are Pinheads. Why do I say this? Look at Arrival and it's meager sales. Generations sold 100K. The band had a feel good story and got on Oprah, but that isn't worth 800K sales. Don't you find the addition of Pineda to be the difference between Journey/Augeri and current? I do.

No.

For all some people don't like about Pineda, he has the best voice of any singer they've had since Perry.

That ain't Pinhead....it's the truth.

That's not why they outsold Arrival. They outsold Arrival because he is a Filipino. Very clear and simple Steve. People aren't going to sit down and try to be sold on a new singer. Journey has it's history. The casual fan didn't buy Revelation. The Filipino's did.

Dude, how are you so cock sure of this? What empirical data have you got to back up your claim?
If there is something out there that proves this, show it, or else it's just heresay opinion and opinions are like assholes. You know that!

My brother and sister bought Revelation.
My mother owned Revelation before I did and didn't even know they had a new singer.
I have several "whitee" friends who bought Revelation.

I think you're wrong about the casual fan. Me thinks there are a bunch more of us whities that bought Rev.

Now I need to go kill this off:

Goddammit Steve. Revelation came out of nowhere and outsold Arrival 4 to 1. You really think it's because everyday people gave it a listen and liked the music so much they had to have it? Come on, it's obviously the race of Pineda. He is the variable difference between the two eras. It makes sense. Even St John made this very point before Revelation was even recorded. The Asian angle will bring in new purchases and it did.

I understand where you're coming from and I definitley agree
that the Filipino fan base played a huge role in the sale of Revelation ...to what extent?!? I haven't
a clue ...Steveo, didn't you say your wife was Filipino?!? I'm curious to know what that half of the family
has to say.

[steveo777]

It won't sell a million to non Filipinos, no way.

We'll see, Deano. You honestly think Revelation went platinum based soley on the Filipino fan base?

Oh absolutely. Without the Filipino fans, it doesn't even go gold. What are the sales? 900K? At least 500K are Pinheads. Why do I say this? Look at Arrival and it's meager sales. Generations sold 100K. The band had a feel good story and got on Oprah, but that isn't worth 800K sales. Don't you find the addition of Pineda to be the difference between Journey/Augeri and current? I do.

No.

For all some people don't like about Pineda, he has the best voice of any singer they've had since Perry.

That ain't Pinhead....it's the truth.

That's not why they outsold Arrival. They outsold Arrival because he is a Filipino. Very clear and simple Steve. People aren't going to sit down and try to be sold on a new singer. Journey has it's history. The casual fan didn't buy Revelation. The Filipino's did.

Dude, how are you so cock sure of this? What empirical data have you got to back up your claim?
If there is something out there that proves this, show it, or else it's just heresay opinion and opinions are like assholes. You know that!

My brother and sister bought Revelation.
My mother owned Revelation before I did and didn't even know they had a new singer.
I have several "whitee" friends who bought Revelation.

I think you're wrong about the casual fan. Me thinks there are a bunch more of us whities that bought Rev.

Now I need to go kill this off:

Goddammit Steve. Revelation came out of nowhere and outsold Arrival 4 to 1. You really think it's because everyday people gave it a listen and liked the music so much they had to have it? Come on, it's obviously the race of Pineda. He is the variable difference between the two eras. It makes sense. Even St John made this very point before Revelation was even recorded. The Asian angle will bring in new purchases and it did.

Ok, yes, I agree the Filipinos helped push the sales of Revelation but you seem convinced that is all there is to it. I'm saying that there was good new music and the best voice that Journey had had since TBF. There are several factors that determined the success of this album. Look at the means of distribution....exclusive Walmart release. That's huge and this is not the first band that has this kind of success with sales throught Walmart.

It doesn't matter how good Pineda sings, that's my point. They didn't get any radio play, so people had no clue how well he sang. They(the Journey fan) were going to buy it anyway, before listening to it. The Filipino's were buying this thing as soon as Pined was introduced. Come on, it's about national pride for them. They were going to be a proud people and support one of their own. They contributed to at least half of the sales.

AATY, WDILYL and NWA got a lot of play on our AC channels and still do. I'll play along though, so when the RIAA updates Rev to double platinum , we'll know the non Fils helped make it to at least platinum then.

[Rockindeano]

AATY, WDILYL and NWA got a lot of play on our AC channels and still do. I'll play along though, so when the RIAA updates Rev to double platinum , we'll know the non Fils helped make it to at least platinum then.

Oh and stop with the double platinum garbage. The fuckin thing isn't even platinum yet. The whole math on multiple disc sales was to reward the artist for selling a more expensive packge. This THREE disc package sold for 10 fucking dollars! If it sold for 19.99 I would respect the sales numbers, but here we have a three disc package going for less than the new U2 or Springsteen single disc offerings. That's why this smoke and mirrors math is clouded garbage. It sold for peanuts and the re records constituting the "extra disc" was lazy bullshit. They couldn't even release a fresh disc to be counted as the extra disc. WTF? Typical bullshit from the Kings of bullshit.

And NONE of those songs you listed got any top 40 radio play. AC charts are bullshit. No one listening on that AC radio shit isn't going to rush out and buy the new Journey based on AATY. By the way, AATY and NWA are the only songs I have listened to.

[Angel]

Excuse me, but could you two PLEASE stop quoting each other?? Kthanksbye.

[steveo777]

Excuse me, but could you two PLEASE stop quoting each other?? Kthanksbye.

Fuck off!

[Angel]

Excuse me, but could you two PLEASE stop quoting each other?? Kthanksbye.

Fuck off!

Be nice!

[steveo777]

Excuse me, but could you two PLEASE stop quoting each other?? Kthanksbye.

Fuck off!

Be nice!

Dean brings out the best in me!

[Angel]

Dean brings out the best in me!

Dean's nice to me.....sometimes.

[steveo777]

Steveo, didn't you say your wife was Filipino?!?

MG, she is. Funny thing is she knew nothing about Journey hiring AP or even who he was until I pointed it out to her that they had hired a Filipino.

Her mother, sister and the rest of her family were clueless as well. After my wife found out and told the rest of the family, then they started being interested in AP and Journey. My wife's brother who is back in the Philippines has always listened to classic Journey and had most of their albums when I was there in 1991.

[The Sushi Hunter]

Why would they be having dinner is SF though? None of them live there anymore?

I could......maybe..... see it happening if they were spotted in say Tiburon having dinner. But SF......no.

[Rockindeano]

After my wife found out and told the rest of the family, then they started being interested in AP and Journey.

You just made my argument for me. They heard Pineda, a Filipino, became singer, and THEN they started getting interested in Journey. That's what sold the cd.

[portland]

The fact that he thinks he has the "right" opinion.

So what's your opinion on the subject, portland?

You have to ask??? You don't know me that well!

[portland]

After my wife found out and told the rest of the family, then they started being interested in AP and Journey.

You just made my argument for me. They heard Pineda, a Filipino, became singer, and THEN they started getting interested in Journey. That's what sold the cd.

Maybe if you type s-l-o-w-e-r.....he will understand?


Just a thought.

[jrnyjetster]

Oh and stop with the double platinum garbage. The fuckin thing isn't even platinum yet. The whole math on multiple disc sales was to reward the artist for selling a more expensive packge. This THREE disc package sold for 10 fucking dollars! If it sold for 19.99 I would respect the sales numbers, but here we have a three disc package going for less than the new U2 or Springsteen single disc offerings. That's why this smoke and mirrors math is clouded garbage. It sold for peanuts and the re records constituting the "extra disc" was lazy bullshit. They couldn't even release a fresh disc to be counted as the extra disc. WTF? Typical bullshit from the Kings of bullshit.

And NONE of those songs you listed got any top 40 radio play.

I don't have the exact figures, but Revelation has sold over a million units worldwide and it sold initially for $11.88 at Walmart.
I never liked the idea of the re-records either, but that was a WalMart demand as part of Journey's deal.

AATY was a top ten on the charts, Deano. But of course you weren't paying attention at the time.

Revelation did sell very well in Europe too, don't forget. Are there alot of Filipinos in Europe?

[marco17]

IMO, Arnel brought a built in fanbase, meaning he got the support for the Filipino community, and that is a given. It wasn't the only reason that Revelation sold. Journey was able to capitalize off his story and get air time because of that, which gave them exposure to the casual fan who if it weren't for the sob story likely wouldn't have known Journey were still performing, and had no knowledge of the Augeri and Soto versions of the band because there was never the media exposure during either of their tenure. That and the WalMart price are what sold the units, and because it was a multi-disc set clouds what the "actual" sales numbers are at the end of the day. If they weren't on TV with people like Oprah talking about Arnel's past and didn't have the backing of Walmart, Revelation on its own likely would have sold the same numbers as an Arrival or Generations. It definitely wasn't that the song writing was any better than at least Arrival. Like him or not, regardless to live performance "issues" Augeri always sounded good on studio recordings. It wasn't that all of the sudden Arnel popped out of nowhere and Journey was this super fantastic band again.

[donnaplease]

AATY, WDILYL and NWA got a lot of play on our AC channels and still do. I'll play along though, so when the RIAA updates Rev to double platinum , we'll know the non Fils helped make it to at least platinum then.

Oh and stop with the double platinum garbage. The fuckin thing isn't even platinum yet. The whole math on multiple disc sales was to reward the artist for selling a more expensive packge. This THREE disc package sold for 10 fucking dollars! If it sold for 19.99 I would respect the sales numbers, but here we have a three disc package going for less than the new U2 or Springsteen single disc offerings. That's why this smoke and mirrors math is clouded garbage. It sold for peanuts and the re records constituting the "extra disc" was lazy bullshit. They couldn't even release a fresh disc to be counted as the extra disc. WTF? Typical bullshit from the Kings of bullshit.

And NONE of those songs you listed got any top 40 radio play. AC charts are bullshit. No one listening on that AC radio shit isn't going to rush out and buy the new Journey based on AATY. By the way, AATY and NWA are the only songs I have listened to.

I do believe that the price tag along with the number of discs included might have sold some of the 'casual' buyers on this package. Had I not known the history of recent years' events, and thought that SP was still in the band, I would've definitely bought it for that price. I don't remember how clearly it was identified on the cover that Arnel was the singer of this music, but if it wasn't really clear then I think some people may have been "duped" into buying it. The casual fan would rather have a "package deal", IMO, especially one that contains the greatest hits, which is essentially what the remakes was, right? Sheer conjecture on my part.

I agree that the 'platinum' crap is just... crap.

[Rockindeano]

I don't have the exact figures, but Revelation has sold over a million units worldwide and it sold initially for $11.88 at Walmart.

Worldwide? Well shit I hope so! When we talk numbers, we are referring to US numbers, numbers than can be certified by the RIAA. It isn't a true platinum record in the USA.

I never liked the idea of the re-records either, but that was a WalMart demand as part of Journey's deal.

So then make two discs of original material. Put out a live version of the songs at least. But to go into a studio and knock out the songs, where you can edit, mix and edit again songs that HAVE ALREADY BEEN RECORDED is pure horseshit. They used that second disc as promotional disc to sell Pineda to the fans. That is as clear as day. Smart, but naturally because it's Journey, cowardly, no balls as we have come to expect.

AATY was a top ten on the charts, Deano. But of course you weren't paying attention at the time.

No it wasn't. It was top ten on the AC CHARTS. That isn't a real chart. Again, had the song charted on TOP 100 singles, then you'd have something.

Revelation did sell very well in Europe too, don't forget. Are there alot of Filipinos in Europe?

Define "well" for me. Look, if the package sold 1 million WORLDWIDE, then it couldn't have sold well in the US, PI and Europe, or it would have sold more than 1 million. See my point?

Gunbot, get us some European sales numbers.