Escape Band is alive!!!

[Red13JoePa]

"They blew it" to the tune of a million sold

[jrny10]

"They blew it" to the tune of a million sold

Doesn't mean it's good A lot of people also say Arnel sounds like Perry. Doesn't mean it's true

[Rockindeano]

"They blew it" to the tune of a million sold

"Give me the driver please."

Don't make me correctly break this fuzzy math stuff down again 13. You know good goddamned well they did NOT sell 1 million units.. sure, they distributed about 1.8 million physical discs, but they did NOT sell 1 million packages. If that is what you Journey freaks want to calculate, then we need to go back and recertify Springsteen's Live 75-85 box set, which sold 13 million units..which if my math is correct, following YOUR formula, would equate to 39 million units moved. Deal?

[youkeepmewaiting]

"They blew it" to the tune of a million sold

Indeed... people will argue that's because of the Greatest Hits redone CD but they don't realise JSS would have had to have done the same if he was with Journey

[jrny10]

Here's another guy that would work out great in Journey:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zkpL6zOtkE4

Big Perry vibe going.

[Monker]

Because the fact that they went down the Arnel route rid them of any band feeling whatsoever. They're just one big karaoke machine these days. Revelation is the worst album of their career. No feeling.

Al in my opinion of course

Fair enough.. sort of... but surely ESCAPE is more karaoke then Journey?! As is any covers/tribute band. Aslong as Cain is there and - more importantly - Neal is playing guitar then its a lot more Journey than any tribute act

Agreed. Even if they had no lead singer and were using Deen exclusively, it would still be more Journey than Escape.

"I rather go see a tribute band" is like saying "I like my coffee with cream and sugar but when I can`t get it that way I settle for surogat coffee as long if there is cream and sugar in it....but hey! the main ingredient in coffee is coffee not sugar and cream!
Sure,back in Journey`s heyday Perry was the sugar and cream in Journey`s coffee (oh shit that sounds gay ), I believe Pineda today has some ingredients to spice up Journey`s coffee again, but I can`t blame anyone who says "Pineda is not my cup of tea"

Here's the thing, IMO, when Journey hired a tribute singer and tried to go back to the 'legacy sound', they became a band who relies on nothing the history, OLD music, the OLD sound, to keep them going. They became a tribute to themselves, really. What's the point of that? They made themselves irrelevant to me.

It has NOTHING to do with Perry being out of the band. I want a Journey that is evolving and changing as need be, and looking to the future. That is what Journey was - all the way through Generations. That Journey no longer exists. They look at the past, and live in it, and want us to do that too. I simply reject that idea.

I would see Escape...I remember Jason from the old Journey mailing list and always thought he was a cool, down to earth sorta guy. I would go to support him and who he is...not because it is a "Journey tribute" band...but because I know he would do his best to put on a great show, and I am sure the rest of the band would too...I have never heard of anybody seeing Jason and/or Escape and giving them any type of negative review.

[jrny10]

Amen Monker - you hit the nail on the head.

[Ligzig]

I think Kelty hits home in a few places, but just like Arnel, he has his weak spots. They both have different strengths and weaknesses. Unfortunately, all this does is confirm for me how unique Perry was with his sound. You would have to combine Arnel and kelty and possibly even Augeri/hunsicker to even think about getting close to the Perry sound. When it takes more than 2 guys combined to come up with the range and diversity in one mans vocals, that is a gift.

Dude, I don't understand this formula- why would you ever want, or even think part of Augeri's voice would be wantwed of needed in order to get to Perry's voice? Augeri never was a good singer. he was always very average; dude never once aced Perry's music...he just sounded ok and good enough for the crowd to sing along with.

I was only speaking about tone of voice. I think Augeri sucks as a singer and never did any of the songs justice. Perhaps a better example would have been Hugo.

My point was that with all of the Journey tribute singers I've seen, they all seem to capture different tones that Perry had. I just thought Augeri and or Hugo captured that soft tone Perry had, better than someone like Arnel or Kelty. Kelty/Hunsicker capture the nasal tone/high tones of Perrys voice much more authentically than Arnel who has all the power and a mixture of high and low end tones. Hunsicker is the closest I've seen come to that raspy voice. Technically, it is the worst stage for Perry as far as singing goes. (Ftlosm & TBF) (Maybe he couldn't help it? or he was trying to be soulful and emotive?) Ironically happens to be the voice that is hardest to capture from tribute singers.

Just making an observation.

[slucero]

This version of Faithfully is pretty amazing... Get JK on the rode and get his pipes stretched out and I'm sure it will only get better...

[youkeepmewaiting]

"Journey are living in the past blah blah blah!" - they're bringing out a new album for gods sake! And they sure as hell ain't going it to make money or support a tour.

[Abitaman]

I think Kelty hits home in a few places, but just like Arnel, he has his weak spots. They both have different strengths and weaknesses. Unfortunately, all this does is confirm for me how unique Perry was with his sound. You would have to combine Arnel and kelty and possibly even Augeri/hunsicker to even think about getting close to the Perry sound. When it takes more than 2 guys combined to come up with the range and diversity in one mans vocals, that is a gift.

But the same could be said for Perry today, would have to have help to reach the old stuff, and that is not meant as a slam

[Ritchie]

When Journey disbanded after the ROR tour their development came to a hold and when they made TBF they had a hiatus of 8 years..I was surprised they kicked out a decent album.
On TBF,Journey basically sounded the same like on the old albums.
The deadly blow for them was that they lost Perry not their lack of change..if Perry stayed they could have made the same album over and over again and playing the dirty dozen till the end of days and nobody would complain about that they didn`t evolve or changed.

Because the fact that they went down the Arnel route rid them of any band feeling whatsoever. They're just one big karaoke machine these days. Revelation is the worst album of their career. No feeling.

Al in my opinion of course

Fair enough.. sort of... but surely ESCAPE is more karaoke then Journey?! As is any covers/tribute band. Aslong as Cain is there and - more importantly - Neal is playing guitar then its a lot more Journey than any tribute act

Agreed. Even if they had no lead singer and were using Deen exclusively, it would still be more Journey than Escape.

"I rather go see a tribute band" is like saying "I like my coffee with cream and sugar but when I can`t get it that way I settle for surogat coffee as long if there is cream and sugar in it....but hey! the main ingredient in coffee is coffee not sugar and cream!
Sure,back in Journey`s heyday Perry was the sugar and cream in Journey`s coffee (oh shit that sounds gay ), I believe Pineda today has some ingredients to spice up Journey`s coffee again, but I can`t blame anyone who says "Pineda is not my cup of tea"

Here's the thing, IMO, when Journey hired a tribute singer and tried to go back to the 'legacy sound', they became a band who relies on nothing the history, OLD music, the OLD sound, to keep them going. They became a tribute to themselves, really. What's the point of that? They made themselves irrelevant to me.

It has NOTHING to do with Perry being out of the band. I want a Journey that is evolving and changing as need be, and looking to the future. That is what Journey was - all the way through Generations. That Journey no longer exists. They look at the past, and live in it, and want us to do that too. I simply reject that idea.

I would see Escape...I remember Jason from the old Journey mailing list and always thought he was a cool, down to earth sorta guy. I would go to support him and who he is...not because it is a "Journey tribute" band...but because I know he would do his best to put on a great show, and I am sure the rest of the band would too...I have never heard of anybody seeing Jason and/or Escape and giving them any type of negative review.

[perryswoman]

You guys are fantastic!! Hope to see you on the east coast!!!!!!!!!!!

[annie89509]

Hope you ESCAPE guys are successful with your re-formation. Jason has always been discussed throughout the years here on MR. Looking forward to hearing some more from your shows.

[steveo777]

Real deal will be touring in a couple months. Apparently a new legacy has been written and the fans in Hong Kong, China, Timbuktu, Manila, Zimbabwe and North Korea will shoot this album straight to the top of the charts.

[annie89509]

Real deal will be touring in a couple months. Apparently a new legacy has been written and the fans in Hong Kong, China, Timbuktu, Manila, Zimbabwe and North Korea will shoot this album straight to the top of the charts.

Hey, why rain on anyone's parade?!?!

[steveo777]

Real deal will be touring in a couple months. Apparently a new legacy has been written and the fans in Hong Kong, China, Timbuktu, Manila, Zimbabwe and North Korea will shoot this album straight to the top of the charts.

Hey, why rain on anyone's parade?!?!

It's just the rain, Annie, just the rain.

Just havin fun, keeping it light. Happy New Year to you, dear.

[annie89509]

I believe is is the Escape band's thread.
And, HNY to you, too, SO777!

[steveo777]

I believe is is the Escape band's thread.
And, HNY to you, too, SO777!

Nobody ever messes with any thread around here LOL hahahaha.
Good golly, girl.....you know that by now!

[Liquid_Drummer]

I think Kelty hits home in a few places, but just like Arnel, he has his weak spots. They both have different strengths and weaknesses. Unfortunately, all this does is confirm for me how unique Perry was with his sound. You would have to combine Arnel and kelty and possibly even Augeri/hunsicker to even think about getting close to the Perry sound. When it takes more than 2 guys combined to come up with the range and diversity in one mans vocals, that is a gift.

To be fair, you'd have to have 2 Perry's to cover him too! His voice changed around Frontiers, and he himself sounded much different than his earlier stuff. Jason is (in my mind) the closest we'll get to Perry. He doesn't have as much vibrato, but most of the other tribute singers have TOO MUCH vibrato. That's distracting to me, and a lot of times makes their pitch go all over the place. You don't get that with Jason. He doesn't have as much power as Arnel, but you can definitely hear much more emotion in his delivery.

I bet my last dollar that if Jason had Youtube videos out there after Augeri's ordeal, he would have been their 1st choice! Too bad for us.

Jasons voice has changed. He sounds more thick and Faithfully sounds fucking killer. They always sounded better at the early stuff. Might be even better than before. That guitar player is as every bit as good and playing Neal's parts as Jason is at singing Steves. Still think they should write !

Awesome that they are back. Home they come close. Jason sounds less like Perry now. Thats not a bad thing. I think he is singing in more his natural voice and I like it. I am sure he has lost a little top being older now. Thats ok he sounds great. Wait till he has been back in the game for while.

[Liquid_Drummer]

Hey all,

Glad to finally be aboard on the Melodic Rock forums! I want to thank Rick for his assistance in getting my log on approved and for posting up the info last night--You rock brother!
As was posted, ESCAPE is back. It's been a long time, but we have recently reformed with all the original members except for a new bass player. We are currently booking shows and as some of you have heard, have recorded a few songs again. A few of us have been following this forum and appreciate all the Journey fans on here and look forward to playing for you!
I will post updates but you can always check our website www.escapethejourneytribute.com and our facebook page.
Anyway, glad to be back!

Scott[/url]

Scott,

Mark from Louisville and the Toy Tiger days. Glad to hear you guys are back in the game. I think that there are a lot of people that would rather come see you guys than the real thing these days. The new clips sound great and I hope you guys come close to Louisivile.

[Liquid_Drummer]

Damn Faithfully sounds amazing. I like Arnel folks but im sorry. This sounds better than that damn re-record that Journey did themselves. WOuld anyone argue that ?

[Monker]

When Journey disbanded after the ROR tour their development came to a hold and when they made TBF they had a hiatus of 8 years..I was surprised they kicked out a decent album. On TBF,Journey basically sounded the same like on the old albums.

A mediocre album.

TBF does not sound much like Escape/Frontiers/ROR. it's its own thing. Much of it is more like Schon's "Beyond the Thunder" album with the vocals from FTLSOM....which is what you should have expected.

The deadly blow for them was that they lost Perry not their lack of change

I was talking personally - for me.

If Perry had been in the band for Arrival, and Sony supported it in the same way, I doubt it would have sold much better then it did. The 2001 DVD also sold pretty well, going platinum. They did fairly well after Perry, considering everything. The real problem with the Augeri years is they refused to take much time off to record...and when they DID, it was all rushed and sounded like crap.

..if Perry stayed they could have made the same album over and over again and playing the dirty dozen till the end of days and nobody would complain about that they didn`t evolve or changed.

I would.

[muudrock]

Hey all,

Glad to finally be aboard on the Melodic Rock forums! I want to thank Rick for his assistance in getting my log on approved and for posting up the info last night--You rock brother!
As was posted, ESCAPE is back. It's been a long time, but we have recently reformed with all the original members except for a new bass player. We are currently booking shows and as some of you have heard, have recorded a few songs again. A few of us have been following this forum and appreciate all the Journey fans on here and look forward to playing for you!
I will post updates but you can always check our website www.escapethejourneytribute.com and our facebook page.
Anyway, glad to be back!

Scott[/url]

Scott,

Mark from Louisville and the Toy Tiger days. Glad to hear you guys are back in the game. I think that there are a lot of people that would rather come see you guys than the real thing these days. The new clips sound great and I hope you guys come close to Louisivile.

What's happening Mark? Long time! We would love to play Louisville again. That was always a great town for us. Too bad the TT is gone......That was a great venue. Thanks for the kind words.

[whirlwind]

When Journey disbanded after the ROR tour their development came to a hold and when they made TBF they had a hiatus of 8 years..I was surprised they kicked out a decent album. On TBF,Journey basically sounded the same like on the old albums.

A mediocre album.

TBF does not sound much like Escape/Frontiers/ROR. it's its own thing. Much of it is more like Schon's "Beyond the Thunder" album with the vocals from FTLSOM....which is what you should have expected.

The deadly blow for them was that they lost Perry not their lack of change

I was talking personally - for me.

If Perry had been in the band for Arrival, and Sony supported it in the same way, I doubt it would have sold much better then it did. The 2001 DVD also sold pretty well, going platinum. They did fairly well after Perry, considering everything. The real problem with the Augeri years is they refused to take much time off to record...and when they DID, it was all rushed and sounded like crap.

..if Perry stayed they could have made the same album over and over again and playing the dirty dozen till the end of days and nobody would complain about that they didn`t evolve or changed.

I would.

I would also. I have no doubt tho that the music would have changed just as ROR was a change to keep up and TBF, if they had been able to tour with it, would have been more memorable live, with the band itself, without the asides making the album elevator music.

[Ritchie]

If Journey had toured the TBF album with Perry they would have done the same when they toured with Augeri,playing the dirty dozen with a couple of new songs,so what I was saying is Journey was already becoming a nostalgia act when they reformed with Perry for the TBF album.
In some way Journey became a prisoner of their own success...fans and casual concert visitors just want to hear the greatest hits.
If people say Journey became a nostalgia act when they hired Pineda..than I would say no... because that already happened long before he was hired!

When Journey disbanded after the ROR tour their development came to a hold and when they made TBF they had a hiatus of 8 years..I was surprised they kicked out a decent album. On TBF,Journey basically sounded the same like on the old albums.

A mediocre album.

TBF does not sound much like Escape/Frontiers/ROR. it's its own thing. Much of it is more like Schon's "Beyond the Thunder" album with the vocals from FTLSOM....which is what you should have expected.

The deadly blow for them was that they lost Perry not their lack of change

I was talking personally - for me.

If Perry had been in the band for Arrival, and Sony supported it in the same way, I doubt it would have sold much better then it did. The 2001 DVD also sold pretty well, going platinum. They did fairly well after Perry, considering everything. The real problem with the Augeri years is they refused to take much time off to record...and when they DID, it was all rushed and sounded like crap.

..if Perry stayed they could have made the same album over and over again and playing the dirty dozen till the end of days and nobody would complain about that they didn`t evolve or changed.

I would.

[jrny10]

But there's obviously a big difference in Perry singing the old classics and Arnel doing them the karaoke way.

[RedWingFan]

Just informed the wife a couple of night ago that the band I've been wanting to see is back together and told her to get ready for a possible road trip to Cleveland this year!

Hopefully it'll be on the same night as Neil's band is playing Pine Knob here in Michigan so I can have the satisfaction of blowing past that venue with a smile on my face!

[Ritchie]

But there's obviously a big difference in Perry singing the old classics and Arnel doing them the karaoke way.

Steve Perry was "The Voice" of Journey,people created an emotional bond with the man and his voice...for those fans no one will ever replace him.
But for those who haven`t created that bond and who just care for the music everything is different.
So for them it`s karaoke time baby

[kgdjpubs]

If Journey had toured the TBF album with Perry they would have done the same when they toured with Augeri,playing the dirty dozen with a couple of new songs,so what I was saying is Journey was already becoming a nostalgia act when they reformed with Perry for the TBF album.
In some way Journey became a prisoner of their own success...fans and casual concert visitors just want to hear the greatest hits.
If people say Journey became a nostalgia act when they hired Pineda..than I would say no... because that already happened long before he was hired!

They were already a nostalgia band when TBF was recorded. A nine-year break will do that to any band, especially during a time when the music scene changed so drastically around 1992-93.