Fantastic Pro Shot Frontiers Video!!

[kgdjpubs]

This catalog is like a curse for vocal cords. Only saying man, dont blow out your voice dude. Every person that has sung that catalog for too long has suffered for it. Am I wrong ? Cain said Perry bleeds when he sings. I think he should have said anyone that sings these songs for too long will bleed eventually.

for what it's worth, the comment on "bleeding" was emotionally, not physically. If your vocal cords are bleeding, singing or not, there is something majorly wrong. The comment was about Perry laying it all on the line emotionally while singing, and it took something out of him, so to speak.

That said, I agree with the intent in that nobody that sings this catalog for an extended period of time comes out unscathed. As much as any reason is that the male voice tends to drop in pitch as you age, and not many have the ability to tour effortlessly with songs that high for an extended period of time. Not many can do it in their 30s, and drop that percentage by another level by the time you get to the 40s and 50s.

[Don]

Not going to be seeing these videos anymore it looks like, now that Journey is pushing copyright.

[JohnH]

My honest 2 cents.

You sound really good dude and your pitch, vibrato etc are great but in the last year or so I have noticed that your top end is getting raspy or airy and I can hear you "twisting" vowels to make certain things easier. It is nothing that detracts from the fine performances you guys are putting on.

This catalog is like a curse for vocal cords. Only saying man, dont blow out your voice dude. Every person that has sung that catalog for too long has suffered for it. Am I wrong ? Cain said Perry bleeds when he sings. I think he should have said anyone that sings these songs for too long will bleed eventually.
freak too !

Just take care man.

Ok now that I know this isn't about 1983 Frontiers, I'm back in a better mood. LOL

Agree. I hear it too. I don't envy you or Arnel or anybody else that has to sing this stuff.

This catalog is in reality a career killer!


I'm working on trying to Play DSB correct on keys (I was tonight) as we do it in my band.

I hear this: at around 4 seconds here- keyboard guy is not playing the correct notes that go back on forth on the bottom. I'm not in front of my board to tell you what they are, but they aint this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g6QtbET- ... re=related

I played a gig with a Journey tribute band recently, but I have to relearn some things I had down, so that's why I have to go over DSB again.

[G.I.Jim]

My honest 2 cents.

You sound really good dude and your pitch, vibrato etc are great but in the last year or so I have noticed that your top end is getting raspy or airy and I can hear you "twisting" vowels to make certain things easier. It is nothing that detracts from the fine performances you guys are putting on.

This catalog is like a curse for vocal cords. Only saying man, dont blow out your voice dude. Every person that has sung that catalog for too long has suffered for it. Am I wrong ? Cain said Perry bleeds when he sings. I think he should have said anyone that sings these songs for too long will bleed eventually.
freak too !

Just take care man.

Ok now that I know this isn't about 1983 Frontiers, I'm back in a better mood. LOL

Agree. I hear it too. I don't envy you or Arnel or anybody else that has to sing this stuff.

This catalog is in reality a career killer!


I'm working on trying to Play DSB correct on keys (I was tonight) as we do it in my band.

I hear this: at around 4 seconds here- keyboard guy is not playing the correct notes that go back on forth on the bottom. I'm not in front of my board to tell you what they are, but they aint this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g6QtbET- ... re=related

I played a gig with a Journey tribute band recently, but I have to relearn some things I had down, so that's why I have to go over DSB again.

You're right about the keys. He's also playing the synth part at around the 2 minute mark wrong. And what the hell was up with the lead vocals around the 3:48 mark? It's like you just threw those words through a blender. Overall, it wasn't terrible, but the lack of backing vocals is blatantly obvious. Also, the mix wasn't the greatest. Once the solo starts, the bass is so low that the bottom just drops out of the song.

[Liquid_Drummer]

This catalog is like a curse for vocal cords. Only saying man, dont blow out your voice dude. Every person that has sung that catalog for too long has suffered for it. Am I wrong ? Cain said Perry bleeds when he sings. I think he should have said anyone that sings these songs for too long will bleed eventually.

for what it's worth, the comment on "bleeding" was emotionally, not physically. If your vocal cords are bleeding, singing or not, there is something majorly wrong. The comment was about Perry laying it all on the line emotionally while singing, and it took something out of him, so to speak.

That said, I agree with the intent in that nobody that sings this catalog for an extended period of time comes out unscathed. As much as any reason is that the male voice tends to drop in pitch as you age, and not many have the ability to tour effortlessly with songs that high for an extended period of time. Not many can do it in their 30s, and drop that percentage by another level by the time you get to the 40s and 50s.

I knew he was speaking of emotion. It was a twist on the quote.

[Saint John]

I think Jon Cain's comment was literal. If we couple what Jeremey said about Nostrildamus using steroids on the Escape tour and the impending DRASTIC change in his voice for Frontiers, the following makes it all tie in together ... almost irrefutably:


What is vocal fold hemorrhage?

“Hemorrhage” means bleeding. In the vocal fold, hemorrhage refers to bleeding into the superficial lamina propria, the layer that guarantees the pliability of the vocal fold for vibration (see Normal Voice Function). Because this layer is made up of a network of loosely-arranged of fibers, blood spreads throughout it quickly and affects it so that the vocal fold does not vibrate as well. It does not take a lot of blood to cause a vocal fold hemorrhage, so this kind of bleeding is in no way a risk to a person’s overall health or life.
Hemorrhage is the result of phonotrauma, the physical stresses caused by voicing, upon the tiny blood vessels of the vocal fold. These may rupture and bleed after loud voicing, after sustained voicing, or when they are more fragile than normal, as when they are swollen during laryngitis. Small irregularities, like tiny polyps or weak areas in the blood vessel wall, called varices (the singular is varix) may also predispose to hemorrhage.

Hemorrhage may be a one-time event, or it may recur. In situations of repeated bleeding, the vocal folds should be examined very carefully for other abnormalities.

"A hemorrhage which involves the entire vocal fold should be treated with immediate voice rest. Voice use should be limited or entirely suspended for several days. The exact length of time can be determined by repeat examinations. Steroids should not be used to “mask” the effects of a hemorrhage in order to press ahead with a performance, for instance. It is an invitation to further injury."

[hgwy407]

Sorry folks, and I am not trying to be mean for the sake of it, but I have never been impressed by Jeremy. I always found it odd that the guy had a chance to be in the real thing, claims he didn't want it, then takes a tribute band on the road. A band that is lifeless to me in their take on the material.

As a guy who brings in plenty of extra income playing the larger rooms in Las Vegas, I am qualified to say the guitar player also doesn't play the material correctly. Check out their version of Anyway You Want It...the guy is either being lazy or just flat out playing it wrong in several places. And for what it's worth, a guy/gal shouldn't post a performance on a website and not be willing to take the critism that may come his or her way...

[Rick]

Sorry folks, and I am not trying to be mean for the sake of it, but I have never been impressed by Jeremy. I always found it odd that the guy had a chance to be in the real thing, claims he didn't want it, then takes a tribute band on the road. A band that is lifeless to me in their take on the material.

As a guy who brings in plenty of extra income playing the larger rooms in Las Vegas, I am qualified to say the guitar player also doesn't play the material correctly. Check out their version of Anyway You Want It...the guy is either being lazy or just flat out playing it wrong in several places. And for what it's worth, a guy/gal shouldn't post a performance on a website and not be willing to take the critism that may come his or her way...

Well we know who Jeremey is, so who are you? Or do you just want to remain anonymous?

[hgwy407]

My name is Dave...and what my name is has nothing to do with my right to my opinion...

[Saint John]

My name is Dave...and what my name is has nothing to do with my right to my opinion...

We need to know your name so when we bash the fuck out of you there's clarity about exactly who we mean.

[Don]

Sorry folks, and I am not trying to be mean for the sake of it, but I have never been impressed by Jeremy. I always found it odd that the guy had a chance to be in the real thing, claims he didn't want it, then takes a tribute band on the road. A band that is lifeless to me in their take on the material.

As a guy who brings in plenty of extra income playing the larger rooms in Las Vegas, I am qualified to say the guitar player also doesn't play the material correctly. Check out their version of Anyway You Want It...the guy is either being lazy or just flat out playing it wrong in several places. And for what it's worth, a guy/gal shouldn't post a performance on a website and not be willing to take the critism that may come his or her way...

Well we know who Jeremey is, so who are you?

[G.I.Jim]

My name is Dave...and what my name is has nothing to do with my right to my opinion...

We need to know your name so when we bash the fuck out of you there's clarity about exactly who we mean.

For stating his opinion? I'll admit that it was a little blunt, but we're all entitled to our opinions here Danilow!

[Saint John]

My name is Dave...and what my name is has nothing to do with my right to my opinion...

We need to know your name so when we bash the fuck out of you there's clarity about exactly who we mean.

For stating his opinion?

No, not for that at all. I meant for future possibilities.

[Rick]

My name is Dave...and what my name is has nothing to do with my right to my opinion...

Hi Dave! You're absolutely right, and it's not necessary to divulge who you are. However, when you bring qualified knowledge to the discussion, it gives your opinion and qualification credence, if we know who you are. Maybe post a link to one of your bands performances to further qualify your statement. Or do nothing at all and leave an open ended comment. It happens here a good bit. Either way, that's why I asked. Thanks for the response.

[Rick]

This catalog is like a curse for vocal cords. Only saying man, dont blow out your voice dude. Every person that has sung that catalog for too long has suffered for it. Am I wrong ? Cain said Perry bleeds when he sings. I think he should have said anyone that sings these songs for too long will bleed eventually.

for what it's worth, the comment on "bleeding" was emotionally, not physically. If your vocal cords are bleeding, singing or not, there is something majorly wrong. The comment was about Perry laying it all on the line emotionally while singing, and it took something out of him, so to speak.

That said, I agree with the intent in that nobody that sings this catalog for an extended period of time comes out unscathed. As much as any reason is that the male voice tends to drop in pitch as you age, and not many have the ability to tour effortlessly with songs that high for an extended period of time. Not many can do it in their 30s, and drop that percentage by another level by the time you get to the 40s and 50s.

Backtracking here a bit in the thread, but I think Cain meant that he sang to the point of personal injury. I've heard so many bootlegs, and I'm sure you have too, that would support that.

[Liquid_Drummer]

This catalog is like a curse for vocal cords. Only saying man, dont blow out your voice dude. Every person that has sung that catalog for too long has suffered for it. Am I wrong ? Cain said Perry bleeds when he sings. I think he should have said anyone that sings these songs for too long will bleed eventually.

for what it's worth, the comment on "bleeding" was emotionally, not physically. If your vocal cords are bleeding, singing or not, there is something majorly wrong. The comment was about Perry laying it all on the line emotionally while singing, and it took something out of him, so to speak.

That said, I agree with the intent in that nobody that sings this catalog for an extended period of time comes out unscathed. As much as any reason is that the male voice tends to drop in pitch as you age, and not many have the ability to tour effortlessly with songs that high for an extended period of time. Not many can do it in their 30s, and drop that percentage by another level by the time you get to the 40s and 50s.

Backtracking here a bit in the thread, but I think Cain meant that he sang to the point of personal injury. I've heard so many bootlegs, and I'm sure you have too, that would support that.

Perry bootlegs ? Or Journey ? I would like to hear what your taking about.

[Rick]

This catalog is like a curse for vocal cords. Only saying man, dont blow out your voice dude. Every person that has sung that catalog for too long has suffered for it. Am I wrong ? Cain said Perry bleeds when he sings. I think he should have said anyone that sings these songs for too long will bleed eventually.

for what it's worth, the comment on "bleeding" was emotionally, not physically. If your vocal cords are bleeding, singing or not, there is something majorly wrong. The comment was about Perry laying it all on the line emotionally while singing, and it took something out of him, so to speak.

That said, I agree with the intent in that nobody that sings this catalog for an extended period of time comes out unscathed. As much as any reason is that the male voice tends to drop in pitch as you age, and not many have the ability to tour effortlessly with songs that high for an extended period of time. Not many can do it in their 30s, and drop that percentage by another level by the time you get to the 40s and 50s.

Backtracking here a bit in the thread, but I think Cain meant that he sang to the point of personal injury. I've heard so many bootlegs, and I'm sure you have too, that would support that.

Perry bootlegs ? Or Journey ? I would like to hear what your taking about.

The ROR tour bootlegs are the ones I'm referring to with Journey. Solo, I'm sure you've heard the "Against The Wall" track.

[conversationpc]

This catalog is like a curse for vocal cords. Only saying man, dont blow out your voice dude. Every person that has sung that catalog for too long has suffered for it. Am I wrong ? Cain said Perry bleeds when he sings. I think he should have said anyone that sings these songs for too long will bleed eventually.

for what it's worth, the comment on "bleeding" was emotionally, not physically. If your vocal cords are bleeding, singing or not, there is something majorly wrong. The comment was about Perry laying it all on the line emotionally while singing, and it took something out of him, so to speak.

That said, I agree with the intent in that nobody that sings this catalog for an extended period of time comes out unscathed. As much as any reason is that the male voice tends to drop in pitch as you age, and not many have the ability to tour effortlessly with songs that high for an extended period of time. Not many can do it in their 30s, and drop that percentage by another level by the time you get to the 40s and 50s.

Backtracking here a bit in the thread, but I think Cain meant that he sang to the point of personal injury. I've heard so many bootlegs, and I'm sure you have too, that would support that.

Perry bootlegs ? Or Journey ? I would like to hear what your taking about.

The ROR tour bootlegs are the ones I'm referring to with Journey. Solo, I'm sure you've heard the "Against The Wall" track.

I'm pretty sure Cain didn't mean that comment in the physical realm but that he put his all into it emotionally-speaking.