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How successful will the new album "Eclispe" do on billboard?

A. It will do better than Revelation reaching #4 or better
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B. It will reach the top ten, but not as high as Revelation
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23%
C. It will reach the top 20 on BB
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19%
D. Top 40 or worse
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Postby Don » Mon Feb 28, 2011 11:03 am

Melissa wrote:When I looked at billboard Pink's GH was at #23 :? :?: But I know there are all sorts of "charts" these days, so who knows. But on BB right now, there is not ONE band even remotely like Journey in that top 40 right now. That's what makes me think it debuting within that would be hard. Like I said, doesn't mean I don't WANT it to, that would be GREAT if it does, and I WILL be getting the album and WILL be attending shows. I'm just not a dreamer when I see how much garbage is always in the top 10-20 these days.


Remember Heart came out of nowhere to debut in the top 20 a few months back and Tom Petty freakin' sold 100,000 units on his Blues album debut just last June and who saw that coming?

Even sorry ass Bret Michael had a top 15 album before Christmas.
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Postby Jana » Mon Feb 28, 2011 11:07 am

I chose B., top ten. I feel it will be in the top ten, unless there's a ton of rap artists and Beyonces and such releasing albums the same week.
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Postby Don » Mon Feb 28, 2011 11:09 am

Jana wrote:I chose B., top ten. I feel it will be in the top ten, unless there's a ton of rap artists and Beyonces and such releasing albums the same week.


Just Lady Gaga and Brad Paisley, that I know of.
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Postby DrFU » Mon Feb 28, 2011 11:11 am

Never underestimate the power of Glee. Lots of young fans the other night ... not w parents.
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Postby Don » Mon Feb 28, 2011 11:12 am

DrFU wrote:Never underestimate the power of Glee. Lots of young fans the other night ... not w parents.


I think they're the one's keeping Journey's Greatest Hits cemented on the chart. I expect them to contribute but not greatly as it will only take a few to tell others that there's no DSB or anything like it on the album.
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Postby Melissa » Mon Feb 28, 2011 11:42 am

Don wrote:
Melissa wrote:When I looked at billboard Pink's GH was at #23 :? :?: But I know there are all sorts of "charts" these days, so who knows. But on BB right now, there is not ONE band even remotely like Journey in that top 40 right now. That's what makes me think it debuting within that would be hard. Like I said, doesn't mean I don't WANT it to, that would be GREAT if it does, and I WILL be getting the album and WILL be attending shows. I'm just not a dreamer when I see how much garbage is always in the top 10-20 these days.


Remember Heart came out of nowhere to debut in the top 20 a few months back and Tom Petty freakin' sold 100,000 units on his Blues album debut just last June and who saw that coming?

Even sorry ass Bret Michael had a top 15 album before Christmas.


Yeah true :lol: I was disappointed in that last Heart album too, I liked 2 songs and that was about it.

Bret Michaels making it into top 15 doesn't surprise me though and only because he was all over TV, had the reality show, had the medical issues all highly publicized, etc., I'm pretty sure that made a difference too, lol.
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Postby jrny84 » Mon Feb 28, 2011 12:08 pm

Don wrote:
Melissa wrote:When I looked at billboard Pink's GH was at #23 :? :?: But I know there are all sorts of "charts" these days, so who knows. But on BB right now, there is not ONE band even remotely like Journey in that top 40 right now. That's what makes me think it debuting within that would be hard. Like I said, doesn't mean I don't WANT it to, that would be GREAT if it does, and I WILL be getting the album and WILL be attending shows. I'm just not a dreamer when I see how much garbage is always in the top 10-20 these days.


Remember Heart came out of nowhere to debut in the top 20 a few months back and Tom Petty freakin' sold 100,000 units on his Blues album debut just last June and who saw that coming?

Even sorry ass Bret Michael had a top 15 album before Christmas.


Wow, I didnt realize Heart's new album did that well on billboard and it wasnt even a very good album. It sounds pretty hopeful for Journey then.
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Postby ebake02 » Mon Feb 28, 2011 12:14 pm

Momentum from Revelation will help drive up album sales. A lot of casual and bandwagon fans who loved Revelation will buy Eclipse on the expectation that it will sound exactly the same. Granted, they may not like the heavier sound but they still bought it and with sales figures that all that counts.
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Postby jrny84 » Mon Feb 28, 2011 12:32 pm

jrny84 wrote:
Don wrote:
Melissa wrote:When I looked at billboard Pink's GH was at #23 :? :?: But I know there are all sorts of "charts" these days, so who knows. But on BB right now, there is not ONE band even remotely like Journey in that top 40 right now. That's what makes me think it debuting within that would be hard. Like I said, doesn't mean I don't WANT it to, that would be GREAT if it does, and I WILL be getting the album and WILL be attending shows. I'm just not a dreamer when I see how much garbage is always in the top 10-20 these days.


Remember Heart came out of nowhere to debut in the top 20 a few months back and Tom Petty freakin' sold 100,000 units on his Blues album debut just last June and who saw that coming?

Even sorry ass Bret Michael had a top 15 album before Christmas.


Wow, I didnt realize Heart's new album did that well on billboard and it wasnt even a very good album. It sounds pretty hopeful for Journey then.


I just read that Heart's 2010 album Red Velvet Car reached #10 on billboard. Pretty impressive. With that said it seems like Eclipse should at least nick the top ten.
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Postby DrFU » Mon Feb 28, 2011 12:46 pm

Don wrote:
DrFU wrote:Never underestimate the power of Glee. Lots of young fans the other night ... not w parents.


I think they're the one's keeping Journey's Greatest Hits cemented on the chart. I expect them to contribute but not greatly as it will only take a few to tell others that there's no DSB or anything like it on the album.


We don't actually know that yet, do we?
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Postby Don » Mon Feb 28, 2011 3:20 pm

DrFU wrote:
Don wrote:
DrFU wrote:Never underestimate the power of Glee. Lots of young fans the other night ... not w parents.


I think they're the one's keeping Journey's Greatest Hits cemented on the chart. I expect them to contribute but not greatly as it will only take a few to tell others that there's no DSB or anything like it on the album.


We don't actually know that yet, do we?


Going by the tone of the material we have heard so far, I'm not feeling a sing along is in the cards with the remaining five songs. Maybe you know something I don't?
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Postby S2M » Mon Feb 28, 2011 3:34 pm

Heart's latest album is all kinds of awesome....Jupiter's Darling was exceptional too. Now I know what you are thinking, 'Sean, why do you embrace Heart's style changes, and not the J-boys?' The answer is....same singer. It may not be the 'Magic Man' Heart....but it hasn't been that Heart for 30 YEARS. Heart is another Dirty Dozen band(as far as the bandwagon fans are concerned)....they want Self-titled, and Bad Animals....add their 3 or 4 70s hits plus All I Wanna Do.... and fans are happy....casual fans, that is. At least Heart busted out the Dreamboat Annie show....You think Journey would ever bust out the Frontiers show? Nope....no balls. Bands don't see quality in fans....they see numbers. Loyal fans get the shaft - fans that support these bands get squat....no deep cuts....just the same stale hits package tour after tour.....Can we hear Edge of the Blade? nope. Troubled Child? nope. Frontiers? nope....we get Open Arms, LTS, and Mother Father(which is a good song, but stale)....Journey should call this tour the 'Got Milk?' tour. Cause they are just milking it....
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Postby steveo777 » Mon Feb 28, 2011 4:05 pm

S2M wrote:Heart's latest album is all kinds of awesome....Jupiter's Darling was exceptional too. Now I know what you are thinking, 'Sean, why do you embrace Heart's style changes, and not the J-boys?' The answer is....same singer. It may not be the 'Magic Man' Heart....but it hasn't been that Heart for 30 YEARS. Heart is another Dirty Dozen band(as far as the bandwagon fans are concerned)....they want Self-titled, and Bad Animals....add their 3 or 4 70s hits plus All I Wanna Do.... and fans are happy....casual fans, that is. At least Heart busted out the Dreamboat Annie show....You think Journey would ever bust out the Frontiers show? Nope....no balls. Bands don't see quality in fans....they see numbers. Loyal fans get the shaft - fans that support these bands get squat....no deep cuts....just the same stale hits package tour after tour.....Can we hear Edge of the Blade? nope. Troubled Child? nope. Frontiers? nope....we get Open Arms, LTS, and Mother Father(which is a good song, but stale)....Journey should call this tour the 'Got Milk?' tour. Cause they are just milking it....


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Postby S2M » Mon Feb 28, 2011 4:18 pm

steveo777 wrote:
S2M wrote:Heart's latest album is all kinds of awesome....Jupiter's Darling was exceptional too. Now I know what you are thinking, 'Sean, why do you embrace Heart's style changes, and not the J-boys?' The answer is....same singer. It may not be the 'Magic Man' Heart....but it hasn't been that Heart for 30 YEARS. Heart is another Dirty Dozen band(as far as the bandwagon fans are concerned)....they want Self-titled, and Bad Animals....add their 3 or 4 70s hits plus All I Wanna Do.... and fans are happy....casual fans, that is. At least Heart busted out the Dreamboat Annie show....You think Journey would ever bust out the Frontiers show? Nope....no balls. Bands don't see quality in fans....they see numbers. Loyal fans get the shaft - fans that support these bands get squat....no deep cuts....just the same stale hits package tour after tour.....Can we hear Edge of the Blade? nope. Troubled Child? nope. Frontiers? nope....we get Open Arms, LTS, and Mother Father(which is a good song, but stale)....Journey should call this tour the 'Got Milk?' tour. Cause they are just milking it....


Wrong!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pnnOcbw9 ... re=related


So hell bent on proving me wrong that you didn't do your homework....Edge of the Blade was in the European setlist, not in the States....so my claim still stands. Thanks for playing.....
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Postby steveo777 » Mon Feb 28, 2011 4:32 pm

S2M wrote:
steveo777 wrote:
S2M wrote:Heart's latest album is all kinds of awesome....Jupiter's Darling was exceptional too. Now I know what you are thinking, 'Sean, why do you embrace Heart's style changes, and not the J-boys?' The answer is....same singer. It may not be the 'Magic Man' Heart....but it hasn't been that Heart for 30 YEARS. Heart is another Dirty Dozen band(as far as the bandwagon fans are concerned)....they want Self-titled, and Bad Animals....add their 3 or 4 70s hits plus All I Wanna Do.... and fans are happy....casual fans, that is. At least Heart busted out the Dreamboat Annie show....You think Journey would ever bust out the Frontiers show? Nope....no balls. Bands don't see quality in fans....they see numbers. Loyal fans get the shaft - fans that support these bands get squat....no deep cuts....just the same stale hits package tour after tour.....Can we hear Edge of the Blade? nope. Troubled Child? nope. Frontiers? nope....we get Open Arms, LTS, and Mother Father(which is a good song, but stale)....Journey should call this tour the 'Got Milk?' tour. Cause they are just milking it....


Wrong!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pnnOcbw9 ... re=related


So hell bent on proving me wrong that you didn't do your homework....Edge of the Blade was in the European setlist, not in the States....so my claim still stands. Thanks for playing.....


Didn't know you specified any locations there, sport. :wink:
Maybe the bulk of the American fans have ruined your Journey? You're right, in a sense....if you pull out those deeper cuts the fans here might start throwing shit at the band. Who's fault is that?
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Postby Glenn » Mon Feb 28, 2011 9:53 pm

S2M wrote:
steveo777 wrote:
S2M wrote:Heart's latest album is all kinds of awesome....Jupiter's Darling was exceptional too. Now I know what you are thinking, 'Sean, why do you embrace Heart's style changes, and not the J-boys?' The answer is....same singer. It may not be the 'Magic Man' Heart....but it hasn't been that Heart for 30 YEARS. Heart is another Dirty Dozen band(as far as the bandwagon fans are concerned)....they want Self-titled, and Bad Animals....add their 3 or 4 70s hits plus All I Wanna Do.... and fans are happy....casual fans, that is. At least Heart busted out the Dreamboat Annie show....You think Journey would ever bust out the Frontiers show? Nope....no balls. Bands don't see quality in fans....they see numbers. Loyal fans get the shaft - fans that support these bands get squat....no deep cuts....just the same stale hits package tour after tour.....Can we hear Edge of the Blade? nope. Troubled Child? nope. Frontiers? nope....we get Open Arms, LTS, and Mother Father(which is a good song, but stale)....Journey should call this tour the 'Got Milk?' tour. Cause they are just milking it....


Wrong!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pnnOcbw9 ... re=related


So hell bent on proving me wrong that you didn't do your homework....Edge of the Blade was in the European setlist, not in the States....so my claim still stands. Thanks for playing.....



I got to hear Edge of the Blade with Augeri (sorta), JSS, and Arnel.....So if it's left off the set list this time around, fine.
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Postby SF-Dano » Tue Mar 01, 2011 3:20 am

I have personally heard edge of the blade live with Augerie(vocals live ??) and JSS. That said, sure would love to hear Frontiers or Rubicon live (or even TC). However, the pressure to sell tickets and not have people leaving shows or vanishing during extended periods of the set list has got to be a heavy consideration. Not to mention, with the internet, bad reviews spread quickly and over great distance. They tried on the 30yr anniversary shows to give people the deep cuts as well as the dirty dozen. Yet, this still was not well received from the majority of those attending the concerts. I had a blast, but I could hear the constant calls of "Play some Journey", then "Play something we know", to "dude this sucks lets go grab another beer until they get to the songs from the 80s". Pretty sad in my eyes, but a reality none the less.

Out here in California, we used to get some small venue shows from Journey prior to or after the tour (Konocti harbor shows were famous for special guests and some deep cuts being played). This is where they busted out tunes like Precious Time, Still They Ride, La Raza del Sol, Message of Love, etc. Unfortunately, those shows seemed to stop around the time of the demise of SA.
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Postby DrFU » Tue Mar 01, 2011 3:32 am

Don wrote:
DrFU wrote:
Don wrote:
DrFU wrote:Never underestimate the power of Glee. Lots of young fans the other night ... not w parents.


I think they're the one's keeping Journey's Greatest Hits cemented on the chart. I expect them to contribute but not greatly as it will only take a few to tell others that there's no DSB or anything like it on the album.


We don't actually know that yet, do we?


Going by the tone of the material we have heard so far, I'm not feeling a sing along is in the cards with the remaining five songs. Maybe you know something I don't?


Nah, I'm just not counting Jon's influence out completely until I hear the whole thing ...

Plus the songs the band likes aren't always the ones the fans like ... I keep thinking of Slash talking about Sweet Child O' Mine ... something like, "Man, I hate that fucking song ... but it turned into our biggest hit ... what do I know?"
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Postby S2M » Tue Mar 01, 2011 4:42 am

SF-Dano wrote:I have personally heard edge of the blade live with Augerie(vocals live ??) and JSS. That said, sure would love to hear Frontiers or Rubicon live (or even TC). However, the pressure to sell tickets and not have people leaving shows or vanishing during extended periods of the set list has got to be a heavy consideration. Not to mention, with the internet, bad reviews spread quickly and over great distance. They tried on the 30yr anniversary shows to give people the deep cuts as well as the dirty dozen. Yet, this still was not well received from the majority of those attending the concerts. I had a blast, but I could hear the constant calls of "Play some Journey", then "Play something we know", to "dude this sucks lets go grab another beer until they get to the songs from the 80s". Pretty sad in my eyes, but a reality none the less.

Out here in California, we used to get some small venue shows from Journey prior to or after the tour (Konocti harbor shows were famous for special guests and some deep cuts being played). This is where they busted out tunes like Precious Time, Still They Ride, La Raza del Sol, Message of Love, etc. Unfortunately, those shows seemed to stop around the time of the demise of SA.


Hmmm...I kinda get what you are saying. But my contention is that the casual fan, and please read that as CASUAL fan, not loon, stalker, seen the band 45 times fans - when someone says, 'play something I know' - is talking about roughly 7 songs: LTS, DSB, Faithfully, Who's Crying Now, Open Arms, Separate Ways, and AWYWI....you have to fill the remainder of the time somehow. So why not fill it with songs the die hard wants to hear? Once those 7 songs are played - too bad for the casual fan.


If Journey were smart they'd switch things up EVERY night....so people don't know what they will hear. There's nothing like being lazy and only learning 20 of YOUR OWN songs. :roll: :lol:
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Postby Jana » Tue Mar 01, 2011 4:49 am

DrFU wrote:
Don wrote:
DrFU wrote:
Don wrote:
DrFU wrote:Never underestimate the power of Glee. Lots of young fans the other night ... not w parents.


I think they're the one's keeping Journey's Greatest Hits cemented on the chart. I expect them to contribute but not greatly as it will only take a few to tell others that there's no DSB or anything like it on the album.


We don't actually know that yet, do we?


Going by the tone of the material we have heard so far, I'm not feeling a sing along is in the cards with the remaining five songs. Maybe you know something I don't?


Nah, I'm just not counting Jon's influence out completely until I hear the whole thing ...

Plus the songs the band likes aren't always the ones the fans like ... I keep thinking of Slash talking about Sweet Child O' Mine ... something like, "Man, I hate that fucking song ... but it turned into our biggest hit ... what do I know?"


I woke up with Resonate in my head this morning. It's a sing along for me. lol

I agree with you about what the band likes isn't always what the fans love. I remember in the mid 90s Kiss From a Rose being the biggest song around. I played that song into the ground. Seal had written that song earlier and he hated that song and didn't even want it on the album, but was convinced to put it on. And it was his greatest hit off the album and probably his greatest hit of all time.
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Postby Saint John » Tue Mar 01, 2011 4:58 am

S2M wrote: There's nothing like being lazy and only learning 20 of YOUR OWN songs.


Just off the top of my head I'm guessing that Arnel has sung over 40 Journey songs.
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Postby S2M » Tue Mar 01, 2011 5:07 am

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S2M wrote: There's nothing like being lazy and only learning 20 of YOUR OWN songs.


Just off the top of my head I'm guessing that Arnel has sung over 40 Journey songs.


I'm sure he has....but they play the same songs night after night. The dirty dozen plus maybe 6 extra songs. They don't play enough of their songs to actually be diverse. Like I stated earlier, Europe got Edge of the Blade in '09...why? There's a difference between 'play something I know', and 'I'm tired of hearing that song'...fans want it both ways. Sorry, can't have it. Play something I know = song I've heard 5,000X since 1981.

By your own songs, I mean Journey as a whole...not just Arnel. I doubt Neal could rail off Rubicon right now.

They should play an entire album,then sprinkle in the hits....Frontiers + 4 new songs, 2 from Revelation, + 5 other tracks....then switch things up and play most of Arrival + extras....then Escapes deep cuts + extras....learn to switch things up. Always play the new release songs, of course...just stop being predictable and stale....I'd love to see them throw in(meaning compose) an epic instrumental and play that in concert. Not something short like Departure, or Majestic....something like 6 minutes +.....

You think Queensryche fans were whining that they were going to play Operation: Mindcrime in it's entirety in concert? Or Heart fans bitching about all of Dreamboat Annie? and God Forbid RUSH plays all of Moving Pictures(they did)....
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Postby Saint John » Tue Mar 01, 2011 5:28 am

S2M wrote:
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S2M wrote: There's nothing like being lazy and only learning 20 of YOUR OWN songs.


Just off the top of my head I'm guessing that Arnel has sung over 40 Journey songs.


I'm sure he has....but they play the same songs night after night. The dirty dozen plus maybe 6 extra songs. They don't play enough of their songs to actually be diverse. Like I stated earlier, Europe got Edge of the Blade in '09...why? There's a difference between 'play something I know', and 'I'm tired of hearing that song'...fans want it both ways. Sorry, can't have it. Play something I know = song I've heard 5,000X since 1981.

By your own songs, I mean Journey as a whole...not just Arnel. I doubt Neal could rail off Rubicon right now.

They should play an entire album,then sprinkle in the hits....Frontiers + 4 new songs, 2 from Revelation, + 5 other tracks....then switch things up and play most of Arrival + extras....then Escapes deep cuts + extras....learn to switch things up. Always play the new release songs, of course...just stop being predictable and stale....I'd love to see them throw in(meaning compose) an epic instrumental and play that in concert. Not something short like Departure, or Majestic....something like 6 minutes +.....

You think Queensryche fans were whining that they were going to play Operation: Mindcrime in it's entirety in concert? Or Heart fans bitching about all of Dreamboat Annie? and God Forbid RUSH plays all of Moving Pictures(they did)....


Making you the Journey set list maker would have them playing to 3-5 thousand per night, instead of 10-25k. And that's not a knock against you, Sean. Here's a recent review of their last show and I think it's a perfect microcosm of the largest faction of the fan base (or about 95%), the casual fan:

"Well was a bit disappointed in the Concert...not enough of the oldies, which I think the overall concert goers were expecting. When they played the new songs not much of the audience participated, but when the oldies came around the audience responded very well!!! Will be my last concert for Journey."
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Postby S2M » Tue Mar 01, 2011 5:43 am

Hmmm....Did they just release Frontiers? Escape? ROR? Departure? I only added in that bit about the newer stuff because you know they are going to play a bit of that stuff. And since you brought it up, Dan...this would be my setlist:

Edge of the Blade
Sweet and Simple
Never Walk Away
Lay it Down
I'll Be Alright Without You
Frontiers
Signs of Life
To Be Alive Again
If He Should Break Your Heart
Nickel and Dime
Only the Young
DSB
Rubicon
Ask the Lonely
Who's Crying Now?
Feeling that Way/Anytime
Troubled Child
People and Places
Just the Same Way


Encore:

Separate Ways
When You Love a Woman
Stone in Love
Too Late
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Postby Saint John » Tue Mar 01, 2011 5:53 am

S2M wrote:Hmmm....Did they just release Frontiers? Escape? ROR? Departure? I only added in that bit about the newer stuff because you know they are going to play a bit of that stuff. And since you brought it up, Dan...this would be my setlist:

Edge of the Blade
Sweet and Simple

Never Walk Away
Lay it Down
I'll Be Alright Without You
Frontiers
Signs of Life
To Be Alive Again
If He Should Break Your Heart
Nickel and Dime

Only the Young
DSB
Rubicon
Ask the Lonely
Who's Crying Now?
Feeling that Way/Anytime
Troubled Child
People and Places

Just the Same Way


Encore:

Separate Ways
When You Love a Woman
Stone in Love
Too Late


The bolded songs represent the songs that those casual fans I mentioned (the ones that make up about 95% of the audience) would be pretty indifferent to. This set list would bomb and they would lose fans. They're doing it right. The current set lists are about as good as it gets, and the massive Revelation gate receipts are proof that they're doing it right.
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Postby S2M » Tue Mar 01, 2011 6:02 am

I disagree...I'd be tired of going to the SAME show every year. Same setlist within ONE of TWO songs. Nothing like catering to Jim and Joanie casual, who talk through the entire show, reliving how they fucked in the back seat of Johnny's 1980 Plymouth Fury to LTS, whilst downing their 11th $8 beer....THAT'S what they hope for. What's in it for the REAL fan? SP is already gone, so you're really scraping for a reason to go see this debacle. Friends would be the only reason I attend this year....
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Postby Saint John » Tue Mar 01, 2011 6:10 am

S2M wrote:I disagree...I'd be tired of going to the SAME show every year. Same setlist within ONE of TWO songs. Nothing like catering to Jim and Joanie casual, who talkexactly through the entire show, reliving how they fucked in the back seat of Johnny's 1980 Plymouth Fury to LTS, whilst downing their 11th $8 beer....THAT'S what they hope for. What's in it for the REAL fan? SP is already gone, so you're really scraping for a reason to go see this debacle. Friends would be the only reason I attend this year....


Some people want to hear songs they know, and those "people" comprise about 95% of the audience. They see Journey once every year or two, so the set list being the "same" isn't really an issue or Journey's fault. They simply have an obligation to play the set list that will make the most people happy, while sprinkling in enough new songs to keep the band current. And that's exactly what they're doing. They basically have 2 choices here ... keep the vast majority (or about 95%) of their concert goers happy and returning ... or keep the on-the-sidelines pouters (or about 5%) like yourself happy. Gee, I wonder what they're gonna do. :lol:
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Postby Don » Tue Mar 01, 2011 6:12 am

S2M wrote:I disagree...I'd be tired of going to the SAME show every year. Same setlist within ONE of TWO songs. Nothing like catering to Jim and Joanie casual, who talk through the entire show, reliving how they fucked in the back seat of Johnny's 1980 Plymouth Fury to LTS, whilst downing their 11th $8 beer....THAT'S what they hope for. What's in it for the REAL fan? SP is already gone, so you're really scraping for a reason to go see this debacle. Friends would be the only reason I attend this year....


But that's exactly the people who are buying the tickets. It's a business and Journey (or more to the point their boss Irving Azoff) is in it to make money.

Real fan? Dude this isn't the '80s anymore, Band's don't need real fans, they just need to fill seats. Bon Jovi and U2 barely passed platinum on their last efforts. Those non-selling and really, not needed Album releases are for the REAL fans. For the other 90% of their audience who will show up at the shows, the hits are all that is needed, screw new material.
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Postby S2M » Tue Mar 01, 2011 6:19 am

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S2M wrote:I disagree...I'd be tired of going to the SAME show every year. Same setlist within ONE of TWO songs. Nothing like catering to Jim and Joanie casual, who talkexactly through the entire show, reliving how they fucked in the back seat of Johnny's 1980 Plymouth Fury to LTS, whilst downing their 11th $8 beer....THAT'S what they hope for. What's in it for the REAL fan? SP is already gone, so you're really scraping for a reason to go see this debacle. Friends would be the only reason I attend this year....


Some people want to hear songs they know, and those "people" comprise about 95% of the audience. They see Journey once every year or two, so the set list being the "same" isn't really an issue or Journey's fault. They simply have an obligation to play the set list that will make the most people happy, while sprinkling in enough new songs to keep the band current. And that's exactly what they're doing. They basically have 2 choices here ... keep the vast majority (or about 95%) of their concert goers happy and returning ... or keep the on-the-sidelines pouters (or about 5%) like yourself home. Gee, I wonder what they're gonna do. :lol:


Ok, so everything always comes down to the dissenting opinion being a whine, or pout, or bitch....I don't see Heart, Queensryche, or Rush caring about who they lose, or not....which leads me to believe Journey isn't in their league. They couldn't pull it off, or their catalog isn't as strong. But you know, you are wrong in at least one area, it IS Journey's fault. If Journey played a more diverse setlist, people wouldn't have the excuse of 'play something I know'...they would know more songs.
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Postby S2M » Tue Mar 01, 2011 6:21 am

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S2M wrote:I disagree...I'd be tired of going to the SAME show every year. Same setlist within ONE of TWO songs. Nothing like catering to Jim and Joanie casual, who talk through the entire show, reliving how they fucked in the back seat of Johnny's 1980 Plymouth Fury to LTS, whilst downing their 11th $8 beer....THAT'S what they hope for. What's in it for the REAL fan? SP is already gone, so you're really scraping for a reason to go see this debacle. Friends would be the only reason I attend this year....


But that's exactly the people who are buying the tickets. It's a business and Journey (or more to the point their boss Irving Azoff) is in it to make money.

Real fan? Dude this isn't the '80s anymore, Band's don't need real fans, they just need to fill seats. Bon Jovi and U2 barely passed platinum on their last efforts. Those non-selling and really, not needed Album releases are for the REAL fans. For the other 90% of their audience who will show up at the shows, the hits are all that is needed, screw new material.


Ok, look at my setlist again....how many NEW songs are in there?
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