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[Journey/Survivor]

I think COH is the more Journey sounding tune, but HF is pretty cool too. Kind of reminds me of an album cut as opposed to a single. No problem with that!

I agree. COH sounds like Journey to me, whereas HF sounds almost like a different band, to me.

I love both songs, though.

The "Rise Up" (Reminds me of the Cleveland Cavaliers) part at the end of this version of the song reminds me of Kiss.

In general I want Journey's songs to sound like Journey songs. But if they experiment every now and then, that's cool. Just as long as they never sound like rap or country.

Human Feel does not sound like a typical Journey song to me, but I love it, nevertheless.

[STORY_TELLER]

I like this song, but I'm a little let down. The sample clip Andrew posted made me think it was going to be bigger than it is. As I listened to the opening, I couldn't help but think "damn, this sounds familiar -- where have I heard this?". Couple of comments said something about Deen's drumming here really standing out as something they hadn't heard from him before. Someone else mentioned it's not a Journey sounding song. Well, there's a reason for both, and here it is:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mZqc1RjF ... D&index=67

Neal rehashed (the opening) from one of his Abraxas Pool tunes. Deen's drumming choices sounds sourced from this too. (Neal's guitar riff starts at the 20 second mark).

That said, I still like it. Most album's songs are self contained and that's why the one's that could be hits can be released as singles. Both COH and HF make me feel like they're sections of a larger picture. I think without hearing the connective tissue of the whole album, we're missing a big part of the experience that will be "Eclipse" and I'm pretty sure I'm going to like it for the most part.

[JRNYMAN]

I like this song, but I'm a little let down. The sample clip Andrew posted made me think it was going to be bigger than it is. As I listened to the opening, I couldn't help but think "damn, this sounds familiar -- where have I heard this?". Couple of comments said something about Deen's drumming here really standing out as something they hadn't heard from him before. Someone else mentioned it's not a Journey sounding song. Well, there's a reason for both, and here it is:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mZqc1RjF ... D&index=67

Neal rehashed (the opening) from one of his Abraxas Pool tunes. Deen's drumming choices sounds sourced from this too.

That said, I still like it. Most album's songs are self contained and that's why the one's that could be hits can be released as singles. Both COH and HF make me feel like they're sections of a larger picture. I think without hearing the connective tissue of the whole album, we're missing a big part of the experience that will be "Eclipse" and I'm pretty sure I'm going to like it for the most part.

It wouldn't be the first time Neal has "re-purposed" something he's used prior. The intro to JSS's "Believe in Me" is damn near note-for-note the same intro as "Never Walk Away".

Believe in Me
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MOAW6Q75FNw

NWA
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O0wCjlma ... re=related

I agree 100% about saving any judgement or jumping to any conclusions until we've at least had the chance to listen to the album in its entirety. A concept album is the sum of all its parts. Taking that into consideration, there are a couple of songs on RUSH's 2112 which, if taken and judged on their own, wouldn't get a second listen. But, when played in succession, surrounded by the other tracks they are the perfect segues and complement them if that makes any sense.

[STORY_TELLER]

I like this song, but I'm a little let down. The sample clip Andrew posted made me think it was going to be bigger than it is. As I listened to the opening, I couldn't help but think "damn, this sounds familiar -- where have I heard this?". Couple of comments said something about Deen's drumming here really standing out as something they hadn't heard from him before. Someone else mentioned it's not a Journey sounding song. Well, there's a reason for both, and here it is:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mZqc1RjF ... D&index=67

Neal rehashed (the opening) from one of his Abraxas Pool tunes. Deen's drumming choices sounds sourced from this too.

That said, I still like it. Most album's songs are self contained and that's why the one's that could be hits can be released as singles. Both COH and HF make me feel like they're sections of a larger picture. I think without hearing the connective tissue of the whole album, we're missing a big part of the experience that will be "Eclipse" and I'm pretty sure I'm going to like it for the most part.

It wouldn't be the first time Neal has "re-purposed" something he's used prior. The intro to JSS's "Believe in Me" is damn near note-for-note the same intro as "Never Walk Away".

Believe in Me
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MOAW6Q75FNw

NWA
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O0wCjlma ... re=related

Don't get me started on NWA, lol... I was the first person to call bullshit on that tune when it came out. That intro not withstanding, the rest of the song is "Be Good to Yourself" through and through. Even Jeremy came out and said so and he's the co-writer of the tune.

Rehashing is a big pet peeve of mine. I expect my new music to actually be new.

That said, this isn't about Revelation (or rehash-nation as I like to call it). It's about Eclipse. And like I said, even with those similarities, I think on the whole I'm going to like Eclipse.

[Argus]

Links for the two new singles can be found at journeymusic.com and arnelpineda.ning.com Last edited by Don on Thu Apr 07, 2011 10:55 am; edited 17 times in total

[Don]

Links for the two new singles can be found at journeymusic.com and arnelpineda.ning.com Last edited by Don on Thu Apr 07, 2011 10:55 am; edited 17 times in total

You gotta do what you gotta do.

[Argus]

Links for the two new singles can be found at journeymusic.com and arnelpineda.ning.com Last edited by Don on Thu Apr 07, 2011 10:55 am; edited 17 times in total

You gotta do what you gotta do.

Mhm I have a little bit of experience with that MO

[Arkansas]

CJ? Long time, no see! Btw, 'Melly' still lurks.


later~

[The_Noble_Cause]

Really dig "Human Feel"....but I gotta admit, it would fit almost as easily on SS. Like I said before, if you enjoyed Journey's updated sound with Red 13's "The Time", you'll prolly appreciate it. If not, you may want to stick with "Revelation".

[Argus]

CJ? Long time, no see! Btw, 'Melly' still lurks.


later~

Mhm c'est moi waves to Paulie & Melly! I found The Cheeze Whiz thread on the Wayback Machine.. here's a http://bit.ly/hDAWE4

[Schon Rules All]

I need "Human Feel" in my itunes, STAT!

[RocknRoll]

Good to see ya Argus!! There's a lot of memories on that ol' site!! A lot of battles but I really miss it!

[Schon Rules All]

N/M Got it

[The_Noble_Cause]

If Lori is no longer running the site, is CJ back in the fold?

[RocknRoll]

If Lori is no longer running the site, is CJ back in the fold?

Somebody certainly needs to!!! It would certainly be wonderful if CJ & Mark were involved again. There's no excitement or anticipation on that site anymore. They post press releases and that's about it. OH, for the good old days!! The AP site right now is the place to find news outside of press releases about the band.

I think in this digital age people expect bands to communicate more. It's tough for Journey since every time they try whether it's Neal or Jon here come the Loons in force!!! These guys are definitely between the proverbial Rock and the Hard Spot!!

...and Cj a lot of us old fans don't do Second Life, but hope it is working out great for you!!

[Majestic]

CJ? Long time, no see! Btw, 'Melly' still lurks.


later~

Mhm c'est moi waves to Paulie & Melly! I found The Cheeze Whiz thread on the Wayback Machine.. here's a http://bit.ly/hDAWE4

CJ, wow! Good to see you back. You know, there is some great stuff in that old back talk forum. I remember when Neal personally answered every single question posted over months in something like one night. Crazy. What ever happened to you way back then? I think there was even a thread here a long while back titled whatever happened to CJ.

[tammy]

Well, 'Human Feel' sounds a bit better than COH to me but still something is off...maybe, it is the lyrics...I'd change it to 'Human Fear' and rewrite the whole thing and with more angst in the voice...maybe, I was imagining something "heavier" coming.

[Duncan]

Surprised no one has mentioned the return of the hammond organ sound in Human Feel.

[Journey/Survivor]

Surprised no one has mentioned the return of the hammond organ sound in Human Feel.

Yeah, it stood out to me.

It would have been cool if Cain had also had a solo in the song.

[VirgilTheart]

Well, 'Human Feel' sounds a bit better than COH to me but still something is off...maybe, it is the lyrics...I'd change it to 'Human Fear' and rewrite the whole thing and with more angst in the voice...maybe, I was imagining something "heavier" coming.

IDK, I actually like the lyrics a great deal in Human Feel personally.

Basically the song's about how the person wants everyone around him to stop relying on electronic things (texting, Internet, etc) and actually talk to the people that are physically around them, thus "human feel".

Maybe it's just a personal matter, since that was an issue I struggled with a bit the past few years (finally found a balance though. )

[koberry]

I like this song, but I'm a little let down. The sample clip Andrew posted made me think it was going to be bigger than it is. As I listened to the opening, I couldn't help but think "damn, this sounds familiar -- where have I heard this?". Couple of comments said something about Deen's drumming here really standing out as something they hadn't heard from him before. Someone else mentioned it's not a Journey sounding song. Well, there's a reason for both, and here it is:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mZqc1RjF ... D&index=67

Neal rehashed (the opening) from one of his Abraxas Pool tunes. Deen's drumming choices sounds sourced from this too. (Neal's guitar riff starts at the 20 second mark).

That said, I still like it. Most album's songs are self contained and that's why the one's that could be hits can be released as singles. Both COH and HF make me feel like they're sections of a larger picture. I think without hearing the connective tissue of the whole album, we're missing a big part of the experience that will be "Eclipse" and I'm pretty sure I'm going to like it for the most part.

Nice. When I heard HF yesterday, I was thinking the drum was a bit more like Abraxas Pool's Boom Ba Ya Ya
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e9tJr9Jl ... re=related

I still can not believe I passed up an opportunity to see them many years back. They were playing right around the corner from where I was living in college at a small club in San Jose/Saratoga, Ca. Dang, talk about one of life's regrets

[jrnyjetster]

But how does it stand up to Edge of the Blade? Not even close.

Dude...different time, different era, different album....FUCKING WAKE UP, it's 2011!! You either move on with this band or you don't!

[Jana]

Well, 'Human Feel' sounds a bit better than COH to me but still something is off...maybe, it is the lyrics...I'd change it to 'Human Fear' and rewrite the whole thing and with more angst in the voice...maybe, I was imagining something "heavier" coming.

IDK, I actually like the lyrics a great deal in Human Feel personally.

Basically the song's about how the person wants everyone around him to stop relying on electronic things (texting, Internet, etc) and actually talk to the people that are physically around them, thus "human feel".

Maybe it's just a personal matter, since that was an issue I struggled with a bit the past few years (finally found a balance though. )

I agree. I liked the meaning behind this song, also. Everywhere I turn people are on Blackberries, or whatever, iPhones, texting, talking, while in line. It's like people can't stand and just be quiet for a second, or interact with strangers around them,. They have to be connected to their phones. I've been very guilty of the same thing while in line somewhere and instantly on the phone or on the phone while stuck in highway traffic. I have really made a conscious effort to stop all of that nonsense. And don't get me started about trying to get to a real person when calling a company sometimes. It's near impossible some places.

[Rocker Chic]

This is the 1st time I'm hearing either song straight through & anything from the new album. I'm not the only person to mention this, but, if I didn't know better, I could almost swear that I'm hearing Augeri instead of Pineda!

Not sure how I feel about either song yet though.

Debbie

[The_Noble_Cause]

I'm not the only person to mention this, but, if I didn't know better, I could almost swear that I'm hearing Augeri instead of Pineda!

Posters over on The Noticeboard keep saying this too. I'm not hearing it. While Arnel can sound like Perry when he wants to (ex. Like a Sunshower), I don't think he sounds anything like Augeri.

[Majestic]

I'm not the only person to mention this, but, if I didn't know better, I could almost swear that I'm hearing Augeri instead of Pineda!

Posters over on The Noticeboard keep saying this too. I'm not hearing it. While Arnel can sound like Perry when he wants to (ex. Like a Sunshower), I don't think he sounds anything like Augeri.

I agree, he sounds nothing like Augeri. However, I do think Human Feel has an Augeri feel to it. Something about the phrasing, or maybe Augeri like licks. I could easily imagine Augeri doing that song. Strange.

[Jana]

I'm not the only person to mention this, but, if I didn't know better, I could almost swear that I'm hearing Augeri instead of Pineda!

Posters over on The Noticeboard keep saying this too. I'm not hearing it. While Arnel can sound like Perry when he wants to (ex. Like a Sunshower), I don't think he sounds anything like Augeri.

I'm not hearing it, either.

Really, you think he sounds like Perry on Like a Sunshower? I always thought his vocals were reminescent of a southern rock singer, like Allman, on that song. It's funny how people hear different things. Arnel never sounded even once like Perry to me on disc one and Augeri never sounded like Perry to me on Arrival.

[Intell]

CJ? Long time, no see! Btw, 'Melly' still lurks.


later~

Mhm c'est moi waves to Paulie & Melly! I found The Cheeze Whiz thread on the Wayback Machine.. here's a http://bit.ly/hDAWE4

So Funny you mentioned that. Just Sunday someone was spreading Cheez Whiz on something and had to I stop myself from bringing that subject up. Just brought a smile to my face.

[Ehwmatt]

I'm not the only person to mention this, but, if I didn't know better, I could almost swear that I'm hearing Augeri instead of Pineda!

Posters over on The Noticeboard keep saying this too. I'm not hearing it. While Arnel can sound like Perry when he wants to (ex. Like a Sunshower), I don't think he sounds anything like Augeri.

I agree, he sounds nothing like Augeri. However, I do think Human Feel has an Augeri feel to it. Something about the phrasing, or maybe Augeri like licks. I could easily imagine Augeri doing that song. Strange.

Somebody said Tommy Shaw for Human Feel - and I totally hear that.

[SF-Dano]

Nice. When I heard HF yesterday, I was thinking the drum was a bit more like Abraxas Pool's Boom Ba Ya Ya
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e9tJr9Jl ... re=related

I still can not believe I passed up an opportunity to see them many years back. They were playing right around the corner from where I was living in college at a small club in San Jose/Saratoga, Ca. Dang, talk about one of life's regrets

The Cabaret? Saw Neal with Paul Rogers there many a moon ago. That was a great place for club size concerts. Loved that place. Caught Abraxas Pool at the Filmore in SF. Great freakin show and a perfect setting for it.