OK........

[Deb]

I've wondered, why did Perry give Smitty and Ross the boot before ROR?

IIRC, Herbie made the band pay Smitty and Ross as performing members on the ROR tour, even though they were no longer in Journey.
Is this where Perry got the idea of getting paid like a six band member after his own divorce from the band?

What is IIRC?

IF I RECALL CORRECTLY

K, thanks. LOL, I thought it was maybe that acronym for the album certification thingy.

[Michigan Girl]

What I wouldn't give to see a little set like this with Perry and Schon.........smiles and laughter included. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mgAcJQzNjQw

awww, this is great ...beautiful thought!!

[Saint John]

In all honesty, screw Jon, don't really care.......for me the Journey magic was Schon and Perry.

Journey hardly had a lick of melody before Jon came aboard. And the opening riffs to Who's Cryin' Now, Don't Stop Believin', Faithfully, Open Arms, When You Love A Woman, Ask The Lonely, Separate Ways and many, many other songs gave Journey an instantly identifiable "voice" before a single note was sung. Jon was a huge part of the magic.

[Don]

Billy: Well, you change your ways. Change your point of view. Evolve. Grow up a little bit more. And forgive, and forget. Without un-acknowledging what went on before, we had a deal where Richie Kotzen was in the band for a while. We love Richie, Richie is a dear frend of all of us. Paul’s, Eric’s, mine and Pat’s. And we just thought, if we’re going to do it again, and make a lot of people happy… (my inbox is packed with e-mails, and they’re just very pleased people.) we kinda… it’s our duty to make it happen for real, and do it for real. So to make sure these things don’t crop up again, we just sat down and had a long conversation about everything that went on. I think we cleared the air very well, very effectively. Some of the elements that were around us before are no longer around us. As I said, we’ve evolved, all of us have evolved as people, and as players. And it happens with every band. It happens all the time. It happens with every relationship.

This is a very grown~up, big boy approach ...I don't think Neal is capable and I'm serious!!
His childish words/behavior during interviews, no class, zero, zilch, notta, is the first clue ... Jon~yes ...he seems very capable!!
Perhaps Neal is pissed because he made very poor choices/decisions ...tough!!
That's as much his cross as Perry's removal from the band may be his!!
I'm glad it worked out the way it did for Perry, he deserves every red-cent!!
The whole NOMOTA is a joke in itself ...the only thing they removed from the Band
is the tux ...everything else about that band screams PERRY!! NOMOTA, my ass!!

I do agree with that.
Perry played hardball. The band, whether it be from bad council, because they didn't have the stomach for it or whatever, agreed to let SP continue on as a not so silent sixth member.
All the principles here were adults when they signed the agreement, and as has been said on these boards many times before, it's all nothing more than business in the end.

[Deb]

In all honesty, screw Jon, don't really care.......for me the Journey magic was Schon and Perry.

Journey hardly had a lick of melody before Jon came aboard. And the opening riffs to Who's Cryin' Now, Don't Stop Believin', Faithfully, Open Arms, When You Love A Woman, Ask The Lonely, Separate Ways and many, many other songs gave Journey an instantly identifiable "voice" before a single note was sung. Jon was a huge part of the magic.

This post doesn't surprise me AT ALL. Your favorite Mr Big song is To Be With You. You are ALL about the radio play/commerciality. Saying that, both the Rolie and Cain eras had their plusses. But for me the root of the magic starts with Schon and Perry.

[Deb]

What I wouldn't give to see a little set like this with Perry and Schon.........smiles and laughter included. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mgAcJQzNjQw

awww, this is great ...beautiful thought!!

I just love that clip, probably cuz in a million years like with Perry/Schon just couldn't see it happening, but I remember a couple years ago making a comment in some other thread about.......somebody should lock those 2 in a room until they got along..........and then not even 6 months later, Andrew is confirming on MR that they have reunited! Oh happy day!

[Archetype]

.....allow me to whine for a minute.

But looking at my sig and seeing Billy and Eric shoulder to shoulder, drinks in hand and big smiles after all these years.........just makes me smile bigtime. It took one phone call and a dinner at Paul and his wife's to get everybody back together. They all seem to have moved on and their live chemistry is off the charts. Why oh why can't somebody just lock Steve and Neal in a room too until they hug it out.

What I wouldn't give to see a little set like this with Perry and Schon.........smiles and laughter included. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mgAcJQzNjQw

Okay, listen to Trial By Fire. Now add fifteen years to that vocal sound. Perry can't fucking sing the old material, post this shit in the Steve Perry forum. I'm sick of seeing it.

[Michigan Girl]

.....allow me to whine for a minute.

But looking at my sig and seeing Billy and Eric shoulder to shoulder, drinks in hand and big smiles after all these years.........just makes me smile bigtime. It took one phone call and a dinner at Paul and his wife's to get everybody back together. They all seem to have moved on and their live chemistry is off the charts. Why oh why can't somebody just lock Steve and Neal in a room too until they hug it out.

What I wouldn't give to see a little set like this with Perry and Schon.........smiles and laughter included. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mgAcJQzNjQw

Okay, listen to Trial By Fire. Now add fifteen years to that vocal sound. Perry can't fucking sing the old material, post this shit in the Steve Perry forum. I'm sick of seeing it.

Don't read it ...

DEB didn't bitch about your drummer auditions!! You and watchdog steve need to get together
with Andrew ...perhaps he'll allow you to be the traffic cops ...complete with badge and whistle!!

[Archetype]

.....allow me to whine for a minute.

But looking at my sig and seeing Billy and Eric shoulder to shoulder, drinks in hand and big smiles after all these years.........just makes me smile bigtime. It took one phone call and a dinner at Paul and his wife's to get everybody back together. They all seem to have moved on and their live chemistry is off the charts. Why oh why can't somebody just lock Steve and Neal in a room too until they hug it out.

What I wouldn't give to see a little set like this with Perry and Schon.........smiles and laughter included. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mgAcJQzNjQw

Okay, listen to Trial By Fire. Now add fifteen years to that vocal sound. Perry can't fucking sing the old material, post this shit in the Steve Perry forum. I'm sick of seeing it.

Don't read it ...

Or it can be posted in the correct fucking forum, additionally, all it says is "OK........" maybe give a heads up in the title?

[Deb]

.....allow me to whine for a minute.

But looking at my sig and seeing Billy and Eric shoulder to shoulder, drinks in hand and big smiles after all these years.........just makes me smile bigtime. It took one phone call and a dinner at Paul and his wife's to get everybody back together. They all seem to have moved on and their live chemistry is off the charts. Why oh why can't somebody just lock Steve and Neal in a room too until they hug it out.

What I wouldn't give to see a little set like this with Perry and Schon.........smiles and laughter included. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mgAcJQzNjQw

Okay, listen to Trial By Fire. Now add fifteen years to that vocal sound. Perry can't fucking sing the old material, post this shit in the Steve Perry forum. I'm sick of seeing it.

F*ck you and the horse you rode in on. If you don't like this thread, don't partake in it, just move along to another......

I don't see anything wrong with wanting to see Perry and Schon work together again......outside of the Journey bubble. And FYI, nobody can sing the old material anymore.

[Deb]

.....allow me to whine for a minute.

But looking at my sig and seeing Billy and Eric shoulder to shoulder, drinks in hand and big smiles after all these years.........just makes me smile bigtime. It took one phone call and a dinner at Paul and his wife's to get everybody back together. They all seem to have moved on and their live chemistry is off the charts. Why oh why can't somebody just lock Steve and Neal in a room too until they hug it out.

What I wouldn't give to see a little set like this with Perry and Schon.........smiles and laughter included. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mgAcJQzNjQw

Okay, listen to Trial By Fire. Now add fifteen years to that vocal sound. Perry can't fucking sing the old material, post this shit in the Steve Perry forum. I'm sick of seeing it.

Don't read it ...

Or it can be posted in the correct fucking forum, additionally, all it says is "OK........" maybe give a heads up in the title?

Point taken, will do next time. But otherwise, Schon and Perry are Journey, so it's appropriate forum.

[Don]

.....allow me to whine for a minute.

But looking at my sig and seeing Billy and Eric shoulder to shoulder, drinks in hand and big smiles after all these years.........just makes me smile bigtime. It took one phone call and a dinner at Paul and his wife's to get everybody back together. They all seem to have moved on and their live chemistry is off the charts. Why oh why can't somebody just lock Steve and Neal in a room too until they hug it out.

What I wouldn't give to see a little set like this with Perry and Schon.........smiles and laughter included. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mgAcJQzNjQw

Okay, listen to Trial By Fire. Now add fifteen years to that vocal sound. Perry can't fucking sing the old material, post this shit in the Steve Perry forum. I'm sick of seeing it.

Don't read it ...

Or it can be posted in the correct fucking forum, additionally, all it says is "OK........" maybe give a heads up in the title?

This has a closer relation to Journey than Dream Theater drummer auditions thread that you started. Yes, you did mark it OT but wouldn't the correct thing be to post it in the top forum, where all the off topic stuff is supposed to go anyway?

Personally, I really don't care what gets posted where but if you are going to throw stones, at least make sure it isn't a case of the pot calling the kettle black

[Michigan Girl]

All he had to do was read the opening post!! As I stated earlier,
his Drummer Audition thread didn't belong here, who bitched?!?...
Steveo ...these two fuckers need to get together w/Andrew ...they
think if the topic does not include AP, it is not Journey related!!

[Don]

All he had to do was read the opening post!! As I stated earlier,
his Drummer Audition thread didn't belong here, who bitched?!?...
Steveo ...these two fuckers need to get together w/Andrew ...they
think if the topic does not include AP, it is not Journey related!!

They just do that to score points with the Asian chics. I use a bowl of rice, myself.

[Starrider]

Come on NMT, as if. That would be like MB replacing Eric and then extending an invite to join them up on stage with the new girlfriend. Like as if that would work?

Can't blame him either!! If my boyfriend dumped me, via phone call by someone
else, and then publicly invited me over for a roll in the hay, I
wouldn't have gone running either!!

Bad analogy. If my girlfriend wouldn't let me fuck her for over a year because her hip hurt but didn't even offer to give me a blow job or even jerk me off in the meantime, I'd have to make that call too.

No contest. Post of the day right there.

[Michigan Girl]

All he had to do was read the opening post!! As I stated earlier,
his Drummer Audition thread didn't belong here, who bitched?!?...
Steveo ...these two fuckers need to get together w/Andrew ...they
think if the topic does not include AP, it is not Journey related!!

They just do that to score points with the Asian chics. I use a bowl of rice, myself.

They behave as though the act of "the click" itself, zaps all of the
energy from their little 'ol selves, and they won't be able to perform
later!!

[Jubilee]

...As soon as he mentioned getting a slice of the concert receipts for X amount of years, the band should have offered a clean break with 20 million dollars for him to go away. Perry would still continue to collect song writing royalties but would forfeit rights to licensing income and having any say in how Journey used the catalog moving forward.
Other acts have done this, or had members who signed away their rights freely because they wanted a lump sum of cash for whatever reason (See Steve Tyler).
I think, based on past actions by Perry and what he was asking for as part of the divorce, this could have been a successful action.
All that said, once Family Guy and the stint with the Chi-Sox happened, half a decade later, the value of the back catalog quadrupled and so ended any hopes of removing band member #6 from being a major player and benefactor in future usage of the Journey brand.
I could be wrong and the band may have tried going that route but seeing how things have turned out, perhaps they should have tried harder.


Multiple edits are due to my sucky grammar.

I've often wondered about this. I mean, who on earth was representing the band, a chimpanzee? We know Perry was already lawyered-up, but it sounds almost like the band walked in without any representation, took whatever deal was on the table, signed the papers, and left the room. Maybe Perry wasn't interested in a lump sum. Maybe he wanted to walk away from the band, but not away from the songs he helped create. Whatever the case, the bands' representation could have/should have negotiated a clean(er) break. The parties could have found a number that would have worked for everyone, then borrowed against future earnings for the pay-out. Of, course at the time, they had no idea their future earnings would go super nova. Looking, back I'll bet they wish they had...

[Deb]

All he had to do was read the opening post!! As I stated earlier,
his Drummer Audition thread didn't belong here, who bitched?!?...
Steveo ...these two fuckers need to get together w/Andrew ...they
think if the topic does not include AP, it is not Journey related!!

They just do that to score points with the Asian chics. I use a bowl of rice, myself.

They behave as though the act of [i]"the click"[/i] itself, zaps all of the
energy from their little 'ol selves, and they won't be able to perform
later!!

LOL, I don't know MG, maybe they have the same "click" issue Saint John does........ http://forums.melodicrock.com/phpBB/vie ... 39#4575539

[Seven Wishes2]

Steve can't even sing a step down. The end.

Now, I love TMG, and I think Eric Martin has a fantastic voice, and is a hell of a showman to boot, but since when is Mr. Big a "great" band? Come on.

[Jana]

...As soon as he mentioned getting a slice of the concert receipts for X amount of years, the band should have offered a clean break with 20 million dollars for him to go away. Perry would still continue to collect song writing royalties but would forfeit rights to licensing income and having any say in how Journey used the catalog moving forward.
Other acts have done this, or had members who signed away their rights freely because they wanted a lump sum of cash for whatever reason (See Steve Tyler).
I think, based on past actions by Perry and what he was asking for as part of the divorce, this could have been a successful action.
All that said, once Family Guy and the stint with the Chi-Sox happened, half a decade later, the value of the back catalog quadrupled and so ended any hopes of removing band member #6 from being a major player and benefactor in future usage of the Journey brand.
I could be wrong and the band may have tried going that route but seeing how things have turned out, perhaps they should have tried harder.


Multiple edits are due to my sucky grammar.

I've often wondered about this. I mean, who on earth was representing the band, a chimpanzee? We know Perry was already lawyered-up, but it sounds almost like the band walked in without any representation, took whatever deal was on the table, signed the papers, and left the room. Maybe Perry wasn't interested in a lump sum. Maybe he wanted to walk away from the band, but not away from the songs he helped create. Whatever the case, the bands' representation could have/should have negotiated a clean(er) break. The parties could have found a number that would have worked for everyone, then borrowed against future earnings for the pay-out. Of, course at the time, they had no idea their future earnings would go super nova. Looking, back I'll bet they wish they had...

Perry would never have walked away for a lump sum and given up say about the songs he helped write and make hits.


Neal isn't the problem with them getting back together. Perry hasn't for 17 years performed in public/hasn't put out solo music. That's the problem. He can't or won't or has no interest in performing live and, apparently, putting out music so far.

[Jana]

.....allow me to whine for a minute.

But looking at my sig and seeing Billy and Eric shoulder to shoulder, drinks in hand and big smiles after all these years.........just makes me smile bigtime. It took one phone call and a dinner at Paul and his wife's to get everybody back together. They all seem to have moved on and their live chemistry is off the charts. Why oh why can't somebody just lock Steve and Neal in a room too until they hug it out.

What I wouldn't give to see a little set like this with Perry and Schon.........smiles and laughter included. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mgAcJQzNjQw

Okay, listen to Trial By Fire. Now add fifteen years to that vocal sound. Perry can't fucking sing the old material, post this shit in the Steve Perry forum. I'm sick of seeing it.

Don't read it ...

Or it can be posted in the correct fucking forum, additionally, all it says is "OK........" maybe give a heads up in the title?

Point taken, will do next time. But otherwise, Schon and Perry are Journey, so it's appropriate forum.

Perry and Schon have the magic. But there are none of the songs we adore without Jon. He's a huge part of Journey - the songs.

[Archetype]

.....allow me to whine for a minute.

But looking at my sig and seeing Billy and Eric shoulder to shoulder, drinks in hand and big smiles after all these years.........just makes me smile bigtime. It took one phone call and a dinner at Paul and his wife's to get everybody back together. They all seem to have moved on and their live chemistry is off the charts. Why oh why can't somebody just lock Steve and Neal in a room too until they hug it out.

What I wouldn't give to see a little set like this with Perry and Schon.........smiles and laughter included. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mgAcJQzNjQw

Okay, listen to Trial By Fire. Now add fifteen years to that vocal sound. Perry can't fucking sing the old material, post this shit in the Steve Perry forum. I'm sick of seeing it.

Don't read it ...

Or it can be posted in the correct fucking forum, additionally, all it says is "OK........" maybe give a heads up in the title?

Point taken, will do next time. But otherwise, Schon and Perry are Journey, so it's appropriate forum.

Except for the fact that Jonathan Cain had more to do with the biggest hits than Perry or Schon

[Archetype]

All he had to do was read the opening post!! As I stated earlier,
his Drummer Audition thread didn't belong here, who bitched?!?...
Steveo ...these two fuckers need to get together w/Andrew ...they
think if the topic does not include AP, it is not Journey related!!

Virgil Donati was part of the auditions= belongs in this forum, until we get a Neal Schon sub-forum like the Steve Perry sub forum.

[Deb]

Steve can't even sing a step down. The end.

Now, I love TMG, and I think Eric Martin has a fantastic voice, and is a hell of a showman to boot, but since when is Mr. Big a "great" band? Come on.

Ummm...Dan, did you actually mean to quote Dan? As far as I can recall I don't ever remember hearing Dan refer to MB as "great". Me, maybe, but surely not him.

As far as the rest of your quote.......I'm in full on agreement. Love when Martin and Blades work together, they have such great chemistry. Trapped ~ http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XYtkJyq7Mgw a favorite from the TMG dvd/cd. As much as Blades/Martin wanted to, it's too bad Tak just didn't want to take it international........and bring TMG state side.

[Seven Wishes2]

No, I was agreeing with Dan about Perry. The Mr. Big blurb was a separate thought. Sorry.

[scarab]

comparing mr big to Journey is like comparing Menudo to Santana.

[SYNCH]

Regardless of a thread being off or on topic even with just an "OK...." title, it really gets traffic as long as it inside Journey forum How I wish, Steve Perry forum is not separated, it was a lot of fun

P.S. I'm a fan of Eric, that man has a great flexible voice but looked nerdy as one of here once said . And they came to Manila! but had no chance to watch, too darn far from where I am now Still waiting for any reviews...
http://ph.news.yahoo.com/blogs/cokemusi ... 53142.html

[Deb]

Regardless of a thread being off or on topic even with just an "OK...." title, it really gets traffic as long as it inside Journey forum How I wish, Steve Perry forum is not separated, it was a lot of fun

P.S. I'm a fan of Eric, that man has a great flexible voice but looked nerdy as one of here once said . And they came to Manila! but had no chance to watch, too darn far from where I am now Still waiting for any reviews...
http://ph.news.yahoo.com/blogs/cokemusi ... 53142.html

They rocked your Areneta Coliseum tonight......... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-oFFnYvHqpg GREAT performance of Green Tinted 60s Mind, man did that crowd ever know the lyrics! Bahaha Billy's tryin' to get naked.

Bunch of clips and a press conference on youtube from the Manila show. And of course I agree on Eric having a great flexible voice. If there was one thing Herbie Herbert was good at, it was picking great vocalists.

[Andrew]

Steve can't even sing a step down. The end.

Now, I love TMG, and I think Eric Martin has a fantastic voice, and is a hell of a showman to boot, but since when is Mr. Big a "great" band? Come on.

Since the day they formed.

[parfait]

Perry had a unique voice, but there's no denying that he's a real douche. Megalomaniac, inconsiderate control freak. No wonder Neal can come off as bitter in interviews - I would've been bitter too, having been raped by Perry for the last two decades.

Not to mention how Perry is messing with his fans. "Yeah, you know. I'm recording. I'm in the studio". Neal is out there with Jon keeping Journey alive for the fans. Perry is sitting at home, patting his cats.