Tantra

[Michigan Girl]

His vox are thin throughout ...BB was absolutely on target!!
I'm trying to look past that!! If you hear soul, that's great ...
I absolutely do not and you do not wear this motown girl's
ears!!!

[Don]

Borderline Schlock. Thank god the rest of the record (minus a few songs) manages to overcome this high theater piece in maintaining the overall premise of being a competent rock album.

+1. Tantra and "To Who It May Concern" are easily my two least favorite tunes.

I know where they were wanting to go with Tantra but they never got there. What could have been this version of Journey's own "Wheel In The Sky" instead comes off as Broadway-style Schlock. It's like a mix of a wedding song, Broadway and a National Anthem. Overly dramatic, way too slow. Arnel's singing is way too emotional and he drastically needs to hold back on the vibrato.

My wife walked into my office when this was playing and said "Oh my God, what the HELL is that!?" I told her it was the new Journey and she replied, "Ouch!"
I couldn't argue.

Bingo ...too emotional/too much vibrato trying to come up w/soul that

he just caaaaan't quite reach ... could've been beautiful!!

Asside from not liking Arnel's performance much, how do you feel about the song? I think, if Perry keeps up with Journey at all, this is the one song on Eclipse he'd be dying to sing. Man, would I love to hear that! This song is right up Perry's alley. I think Arnel sings it great though, and I hear the soul in his voice and think he sells it in a sincere way.

There's more to it than just the vox ...I think AP is a great singer and has great vox ...
I don't think he'll ever be one of my favs because he lacks what I like/demand/crave
in my singers ...This LP is not about the vox, ...I'm reviewing
this LP based on the lyrics/musicianship/originality/ the whole unit!!
Don't give a diddly~doo about AP and his ability to fill in, we've been there~done that!
It's already been established that the shoes of the great one will never be filled ...
why do that shit again?!?!

I disagree. He's his own voice now, the voice of the direction that Journey is now going.
Reality is that this is not a Perry driven band now and people need to try and sever that
connection, as far as new music is concerned. He has the soul and emotion to deliver their
music but if people don't want to hear it, they won't. I understand, but it is what it is and
I'm happy to have what we do.

The band's main income now is from touring and that is VERY Perry driven. This side excursion into rock, while enjoyable to some of us here, is not the way the band will be ultimately remembered and is definitely not what the majority of concert goers are interested in when they go to the shows this summer. This isn't a new direction as much as just flooring it until the next stoplight which is only a block away.
Them's the facts, Jack.

[steveo777]

His vox are thin throughout ...BB was absolutely on target!!
I'm trying to look past that!! If you hear soul, that's great ...
I absolutely do not and you do not wear this motown girl's
ears!!!

LOL - definitely your issue, not mine. And who gives a fuck about Motown?Go listen to Diana Ross or Marvin Gaye then.

[brywool]

He's his own voice now, the voice of the direction that Journey is now going.
Reality is that this is not a Perry driven band now and people need to try and sever that
connection, as far as new music is concerned. He has the soul and emotion to deliver their
music but if people don't want to hear it, they won't. I understand, but it is what it is and
I'm happy to have what we do. I think Tantra is a stunning song and I'm not trying to make
a Perry connection on it. AP owns the song.

Agreed. He doesn't sound like Perry whatsoever on this album and he's really stepped up. Some may not dig Arnel, but I just don't see how you can argue with a voice like this guy has. Amazing stuff this guy is singing. He's singing it with heart, range, soul, and power.

[steveo777]

Borderline Schlock. Thank god the rest of the record (minus a few songs) manages to overcome this high theater piece in maintaining the overall premise of being a competent rock album.

+1. Tantra and "To Who It May Concern" are easily my two least favorite tunes.

I know where they were wanting to go with Tantra but they never got there. What could have been this version of Journey's own "Wheel In The Sky" instead comes off as Broadway-style Schlock. It's like a mix of a wedding song, Broadway and a National Anthem. Overly dramatic, way too slow. Arnel's singing is way too emotional and he drastically needs to hold back on the vibrato.

My wife walked into my office when this was playing and said "Oh my God, what the HELL is that!?" I told her it was the new Journey and she replied, "Ouch!"
I couldn't argue.

Bingo ...too emotional/too much vibrato trying to come up w/soul that

he just caaaaan't quite reach ... could've been beautiful!!

Asside from not liking Arnel's performance much, how do you feel about the song? I think, if Perry keeps up with Journey at all, this is the one song on Eclipse he'd be dying to sing. Man, would I love to hear that! This song is right up Perry's alley. I think Arnel sings it great though, and I hear the soul in his voice and think he sells it in a sincere way.

There's more to it than just the vox ...I think AP is a great singer and has great vox ...
I don't think he'll ever be one of my favs because he lacks what I like/demand/crave
in my singers ...This LP is not about the vox, ...I'm reviewing
this LP based on the lyrics/musicianship/originality/ the whole unit!!
Don't give a diddly~doo about AP and his ability to fill in, we've been there~done that!
It's already been established that the shoes of the great one will never be filled ...
why do that shit again?!?!

I disagree. He's his own voice now, the voice of the direction that Journey is now going.
Reality is that this is not a Perry driven band now and people need to try and sever that
connection, as far as new music is concerned. He has the soul and emotion to deliver their
music but if people don't want to hear it, they won't. I understand, but it is what it is and
I'm happy to have what we do.

The band's main income now is from touring and that is VERY Perry driven. This side excursion into rock, while enjoyable to some of us here, is not the way the band will be ultimately remembered and is definitely not what the majority of concert goers are interested in when they go to the shows this summer. This isn't a new direction as much as just flooring it until the next stoplight which is only a block away.
Them's the facts, Jack.

Truth in what you said, but please let me remind you this thread is about this album and songs, not dirty dozen classics
that will be played on tour. This album is not Perry driven and that was my point.

[koberry]

There's more to it than just the vox ...I think AP is a great singer and has great vox ...
I don't think he'll ever be one of my favs because he lacks what I like/demand/crave
in my singers ...This LP is not about the vox, ...I'm reviewing
this LP based on the lyrics/musicianship/originality/ the whole unit!!
Don't give a diddly~doo about AP and his ability to fill in, we've been there~done that!
It's already been established that the shoes of the great one will never be filled ...
why do that shit again?!?!

The great one hasn't wanted to wear those shoes (or the tuxedo jacket) for a very long time. Some people would like them just to close the store and go home. I'm feeling pretty darn happy with the path they're walking these days and who's wearing the sneakers.

[koberry]

His vox are thin throughout ...BB was absolutely on target!!
I'm trying to look past that!! If you hear soul, that's great ...
I absolutely do not and you do not wear this motown girl's
ears!!!

LOL - definitely your issue, not mine. And who gives a fuck about Motown?Go listen to Diana Ross or Marvin Gaye then.

I saw The Four Tops and Temptations a few weeks back from 2nd row center... what a great show.

[Jana]

He's his own voice now, the voice of the direction that Journey is now going.
Reality is that this is not a Perry driven band now and people need to try and sever that
connection, as far as new music is concerned. He has the soul and emotion to deliver their
music but if people don't want to hear it, they won't. I understand, but it is what it is and
I'm happy to have what we do. I think Tantra is a stunning song and I'm not trying to make
a Perry connection on it. AP owns the song.

Agreed. He doesn't sound like Perry whatsoever on this album and he's really stepped up. Some may not dig Arnel, but I just don't see how you can argue with a voice like this guy has. Amazing stuff this guy is singing. He's singing it with heart, range, soul, and power.

Yep.

[steveo777]

His vox are thin throughout ...BB was absolutely on target!!
I'm trying to look past that!! If you hear soul, that's great ...
I absolutely do not and you do not wear this motown girl's
ears!!!

LOL - definitely your issue, not mine. And who gives a fuck about Motown?Go listen to Diana Ross or Marvin Gaye then.

I saw The Four Tops and Temptations a few weeks back from 2nd row center... what a great show.

Which is great and a different genre than Journey. Let Journey go forward. I fail to see why people
are dragging the great one into threads about the new music. They have a forum downstairs for him.

[brywool]

The great one hasn't wanted to wear those shoes (or the tuxedo jacket) for a very long time. Some people would like them just to close the store and go home. I'm feeling pretty darn happy with the path they're walking these days and who's wearing the sneakers.

AMEN. When Perry gets up and actually does something, I'll be all over it. Then when he doesn't tour, I'll be sure to compare his non-tour to the band that is touring now. Of course we all know that people will really be there to hear "Tuesday Heartache" and not "Separate Ways"

They are apples and oranges. Steve Perry and what the soccer mom's want from Journey at a concert these days has absolutely ZERO to do with Tantra or the new album.

[Michigan Girl]

Truth in what you said, but please let me remind you this thread is about this album and songs, not dirty dozen classics that will be played on tour. This album is not Perry driven and that was my point.

Majestic is the one that brought up Perry ... he asked what I would think if Perry were on vox?!?!
Majestic is one of your people, calm down!! Lunatic!! Bry and Koberry too ...and learn how
to read ...you're turning on your own!! Idiots!!
AGAIN!!!

Borderline Schlock. Thank god the rest of the record (minus a few songs) manages to overcome this high theater piece in maintaining the overall premise of being a competent rock album.

+1. Tantra and "To Who It May Concern" are easily my two least favorite tunes.

I know where they were wanting to go with Tantra but they never got there. What could have been this version of Journey's own "Wheel In The Sky" instead comes off as Broadway-style Schlock. It's like a mix of a wedding song, Broadway and a National Anthem. Overly dramatic, way too slow. Arnel's singing is way too emotional and he drastically needs to hold back on the vibrato.

My wife walked into my office when this was playing and said "Oh my God, what the HELL is that!?" I told her it was the new Journey and she replied, "Ouch!"
I couldn't argue.

Bingo ...too emotional/too much vibrato trying to come up w/soul that

he just caaaaan't quite reach ... could've been beautiful!!

Asside from not liking Arnel's performance much, how do you feel about the song? I think, if Perry keeps up with Journey at all, this is the one song on Eclipse he'd be dying to sing. Man, would I love to hear that! This song is right up Perry's alley. I think Arnel sings it great though, and I hear the soul in his voice and think he sells it in a sincere way.

There's more to it than just the vox ...I think AP is a great singer and has great vox ...
I don't think he'll ever be one of my favs because he lacks what I like/demand/crave
in my singers ...This LP is not about the vox, ...I'm reviewing
this LP based on the lyrics/musicianship/originality/ the whole unit!!
Don't give a diddly~doo about AP and his ability to fill in, we've been there~done that!
It's already been established that the shoes of the great one will never be filled ...
why do that shit again?!?!

[steveo777]

Truth in what you said, but please let me remind you this thread is about this album and songs, not dirty dozen classics that will be played on tour. This album is not Perry driven and that was my point.

Majestic is the one that brought up Perry ... he asked what I would think if Perry were on vox?!?!
Majestic is one of your people, calm down!! Lunatic!! Bry and Koberry too ...and learn how
to read ...you're turning on your own!! Idiots!!
AGAIN!!!

Borderline Schlock. Thank god the rest of the record (minus a few songs) manages to overcome this high theater piece in maintaining the overall premise of being a competent rock album.

+1. Tantra and "To Who It May Concern" are easily my two least favorite tunes.

I know where they were wanting to go with Tantra but they never got there. What could have been this version of Journey's own "Wheel In The Sky" instead comes off as Broadway-style Schlock. It's like a mix of a wedding song, Broadway and a National Anthem. Overly dramatic, way too slow. Arnel's singing is way too emotional and he drastically needs to hold back on the vibrato.

My wife walked into my office when this was playing and said "Oh my God, what the HELL is that!?" I told her it was the new Journey and she replied, "Ouch!"
I couldn't argue.

Bingo ...too emotional/too much vibrato trying to come up w/soul that

he just caaaaan't quite reach ... could've been beautiful!!

Asside from not liking Arnel's performance much, how do you feel about the song? I think, if Perry keeps up with Journey at all, this is the one song on Eclipse he'd be dying to sing. Man, would I love to hear that! This song is right up Perry's alley. I think Arnel sings it great though, and I hear the soul in his voice and think he sells it in a sincere way.

There's more to it than just the vox ...I think AP is a great singer and has great vox ...
I don't think he'll ever be one of my favs because he lacks what I like/demand/crave
in my singers ...This LP is not about the vox, ...I'm reviewing
this LP based on the lyrics/musicianship/originality/ the whole unit!!
Don't give a diddly~doo about AP and his ability to fill in, we've been there~done that!
It's already been established that the shoes of the great one will never be filled ...
why do that shit again?!?!

Uh, didn't you already say that?
He's doing much more than filling in. He's helping keep the band alive.
If you don't want to give him credit for their incredible success the past
3 years, then don't. I'm being nice about this. I could say GTFO and don't
let they door hit yer ass on the way out, but I didn't resort to that kind of
thing, did I?

[Michigan Girl]

Uh, didn't you already say that?
He's doing much more than filling in. He's helping keep the band alive.
If you don't want to give him credit for their incredible success the past
3 years, then don't. I'm being nice about this. I could say GTFO and don't
let they door hit yer ass on the way out, but I didn't resort to that kind of
thing, did I?

You can say whatever you'd like ...it's absolutely
meaningless to anyone but you and your cronies ...enjoy!!

[Ritchie]

This song has the most breathtaking emotional music from the album.
From 3.13 till 4.58 it`s goosebump galore...

[Liquid_Drummer]

He's his own voice now, the voice of the direction that Journey is now going.
Reality is that this is not a Perry driven band now and people need to try and sever that
connection, as far as new music is concerned. He has the soul and emotion to deliver their
music but if people don't want to hear it, they won't. I understand, but it is what it is and
I'm happy to have what we do. I think Tantra is a stunning song and I'm not trying to make
a Perry connection on it. AP owns the song.

Agreed. He doesn't sound like Perry whatsoever on this album and he's really stepped up. Some may not dig Arnel, but I just don't see how you can argue with a voice like this guy has. Amazing stuff this guy is singing. He's singing it with heart, range, soul, and power.

QFT ! Had to edit tantra though. I hate the disney sounding parts at the start and end. Even edited its 4:39. Pm me if you want me to "tell" you about it. hehe. I love Tantra edited. It's Arnels Mother Father.. So far his best vocal effot IMHO.

[Majestic]

Borderline Schlock. Thank god the rest of the record (minus a few songs) manages to overcome this high theater piece in maintaining the overall premise of being a competent rock album.

+1. Tantra and "To Who It May Concern" are easily my two least favorite tunes.

I know where they were wanting to go with Tantra but they never got there. What could have been this version of Journey's own "Wheel In The Sky" instead comes off as Broadway-style Schlock. It's like a mix of a wedding song, Broadway and a National Anthem. Overly dramatic, way too slow. Arnel's singing is way too emotional and he drastically needs to hold back on the vibrato.

My wife walked into my office when this was playing and said "Oh my God, what the HELL is that!?" I told her it was the new Journey and she replied, "Ouch!"
I couldn't argue.

Bingo ...too emotional/too much vibrato trying to come up w/soul that

he just caaaaan't quite reach ... could've been beautiful!!

Asside from not liking Arnel's performance much, how do you feel about the song? I think, if Perry keeps up with Journey at all, this is the one song on Eclipse he'd be dying to sing. Man, would I love to hear that! This song is right up Perry's alley. I think Arnel sings it great though, and I hear the soul in his voice and think he sells it in a sincere way.

There's more to it than just the vox ...I think AP is a great singer and has great vox ...
I don't think he'll ever be one of my favs because he lacks what I like/demand/crave
in my singers ...This LP is not about the vox, ...I'm reviewing
this LP based on the lyrics/musicianship/originality/ the whole unit!!
Don't give a diddly~doo about AP and his ability to fill in, we've been there~done that!
It's already been established that the shoes of the great one will never be filled ...
why do that shit again?!?!

No, no, you missed the question. This is a Cain/Schon penned song, and the musicians playing it, minus Deen, are the classic line up. So as a fan of Journey music, how do you like the song? I'm not trying to convince you about Arnel, I'm just curious how you feel about the strength of this song as a Journey fan. I already know Arnel isn't your favorite, but if you like the other members of Journey I figured you might have an impression or feeling about the song they wrote and performed. Are primarily only a fan of Perry and not so much Journey? If that, it's cool, but I wouldn't have asked you if I thought that.

[Michigan Girl]

No, no, you missed the question. This is a Cain/Schon penned song, and the musicians playing it, minus Deen, are the classic line up. So as a fan of Journey music, how do you like the song? I'm not trying to convince you about Arnel, I'm just curious how you feel about the strength of this song as a Journey fan. I already know Arnel isn't your favorite, but if you like the other members of Journey I figured you might have an impression or feeling about the song they wrote and performed. Are primarily only a fan of Perry and not so much Journey? If that, it's cool, but I wouldn't have asked you if I thought that.

That was my point ...AP is not the only thing about this
song that is wrong, "TO ME" ...I was hoping for more of a night at the opera feel ...it's as Lynn said
a bit too Disneyesque dramatic for me. Great job by all, if this were going to
be backup music to the next big animation, but it just didn't fit ...some of it was very
beautiful, though!! My other point was that I am trying to refrain from comparing AP to SP ...
noone will ever fill his shoes, in my ears ...would one of your children ever replace another?!?!
No!! ...so let's not go there!!

[Liquid_Drummer]

No, no, you missed the question. This is a Cain/Schon penned song, and the musicians playing it, minus Deen, are the classic line up. So as a fan of Journey music, how do you like the song? I'm not trying to convince you about Arnel, I'm just curious how you feel about the strength of this song as a Journey fan. I already know Arnel isn't your favorite, but if you like the other members of Journey I figured you might have an impression or feeling about the song they wrote and performed. Are primarily only a fan of Perry and not so much Journey? If that, it's cool, but I wouldn't have asked you if I thought that.

That was my point ...AP is not the only thing about this
song that is wrong, "TO ME" ...I was hoping for more of a night at the opera feel ...it's as Lynn said
a bit too Disneyesque dramatic for me. Great job by all, if this were going to
be backup music to the next big animation, but it just didn't fit ...some of it was very
beautiful, though!! My other point was that I am trying to refrain from comparing AP to SP ...
noone will ever fill his shoes, in my ears ...would one of your children ever replace another?!?!
No!! ...so let's not go there!!

Were you saying his vox are thin on the new release ? What are listening on ? I think the vox sound effin incredible. I have never been one to trumpet Arnel. I hold far more interest in him being himself as he is on this release. I could care less to ever hear him cover the old stuff. Journey is only a name now. They could be called Fred's shit farm and I would buy this disc.


The way I omitted songs from the cd, edited the disney parts from tantra, changed the order and reburned a custom version I now think this is the best they have done since ROR. I dont say that lightly. I have a very high end audio system and I find the vox to sound perfect. Up front but not over bearing, clear but not harsh, powerful but not over compressed. I cant fault. I hear vox cracks in a place or two and I love it. Honest. I hear string squeaks etc.. Very honest recording.

[Liquid_Drummer]

This is my custom version.

Chain of Love (should have been 1st as it builds before beating your head in)
When you let Someone (This sound sound so Evolution era during the verses to me)
Tantra edited (took the disney crap from the front and the end out and you have a different song and maybe my fav)
Edge of the moment
Resonate
Ritual
City of hope
She's a mystery (on the fence a little)
Venus.

8 of 13 song I dig a lot. Thats a damn good ratio these days. Well 7.75 to be technical from the edits to tantra.

[Jana]

This is my custom version.

Chain of Love (should have been 1st as it builds before beating your head in)
When you let Someone (This sound sound so Evolution era during the verses to me)
Tantra edited (took the disney crap from the front and the end out and you have a different song and maybe my fav)
Edge of the moment
Resonate
Ritual
City of hope
She's a mystery (on the fence a little)
Venus.

8 of 13. Thats a damn good ratio these days. Well 7.75 to be technical from the edits to tantra.

No Anything is Possible?

[Saint John]

He isn't thin anywhere on this album. That's just a fact. I think people just don't know the definition of the word, in musical terms. Arnel sounds full, chesty and on pitch throughout the entire album. And anyone with knowledge of the voice would tell you as much. This album is a monster, vocally.

[Greg]

I personally hate the song. I think it blows chunks. Vocally, Arnel probably shines his best on it, with To Whom It May Concern being a close second. However, the song itself does not connect to me in the least bit, not like other Journey songs have. That isn't to say that every Journey song has connected with me by any stretch. There are Journey songs that I just didn't get, but I still enjoyed listening to them. This one, I don't enjoy whatsoever. I don't even want try and "get" the song. I would rather hear a cow moo.

[Majestic]

I don't even want try and "get" the song. I would rather hear a cow moo.

Well, that's good! You can save your self half a quid then.

[Michigan Girl]

lol ...I don't hate it that much, but there are others that I really like,
this is down my list for sure!!

I know the meaning of thin, it's the opposite of the fat ass loons with
their gallons of ice cream!!

LD~I am referring to this LP ..here and there, throughout...granted,
I did not listen to it with headphones,
but that is not the way I will be listening in the future,
either ...I was also sober!! I was not fond of Revelation and I think
AP sounded great on that!! As a whole, I like Eclipse much better!!
And the imperfections you refer to, I always love that!!

I don't like this track!!!

[steveo777]

lol ...I don't hate it that much, but there are others that I really like,
this is down my list for sure!!

I know the meaning of thin, it's the opposite of the fat ass loons with
their gallons of ice cream!!

LD~I am referring to this LP ..here and there, throughout...granted,
I did not listen to it with headphones,
but that is not the way I will be listening in the future,
either ...I was also sober!! I was not fond of Revelation and I think
AP sounded great on that!! As a whole, I like Eclipse much better!!
And the imperfections you refer to, I always love that!!

I don't like this track!!!

Would you just bend over, put your bra cups over your knees, pull real hard and disappear?
(I'm just messing with you...you know that)

[Don]

Bam! MG hits it on the head.
A lot of us just don't like the song and for some, it breaks up the ride on an otherwise very enjoyable album. We don't have to 'get it', that's not what Journey music has ever been about. Just because the band and some fans may think it's a stellar track doesn't mean that the rest of us need to get in step with this tune.

[Saint John]

I know the meaning of thin, it's the opposite of the fat ass loons with
their gallons of ice cream!!

You just earned a couple of points right there!8)

I was also sober!!

Don't let that happen again!

[Majestic]

Bam! MG hits it on the head.
A lot of us just don't like the song and for some, it breaks up the ride on an otherwise very enjoyable album. We don't have to 'get it', that's not what Journey music has ever been about. Just because the band and some fans may think it's a stellar track doesn't mean that the rest of us need to get in step with this tune.

Who ever suggested anyone has to like it? I thought the conversation was deeper and more interesting than that.

[Don]

Bam! MG hits it on the head.
A lot of us just don't like the song and for some, it breaks up the ride on an otherwise very enjoyable album. We don't have to 'get it', that's not what Journey music has ever been about. Just because the band and some fans may think it's a stellar track doesn't mean that the rest of us need to get in step with this tune.

Who ever suggested anyone has to like it? I thought the conversation was deeper and more interesting than that.

Well I guess if we are talking BIG bra cups, then yes, they could also be considered deep, depending on how you look at it.

[Majestic]

Bam! MG hits it on the head.
A lot of us just don't like the song and for some, it breaks up the ride on an otherwise very enjoyable album. We don't have to 'get it', that's not what Journey music has ever been about. Just because the band and some fans may think it's a stellar track doesn't mean that the rest of us need to get in step with this tune.

Who ever suggested anyone has to like it? I thought the conversation was deeper and more interesting than that.

Well I guess if we are talking BIG bra cups, then yes, they could also be considered deep, depending on how you look at it.

Rodger. But there were more things happening than that, I was skimming over the jokes and smiling, not debating over them.

PS, if you DON'T love this song, Neal thinks you suck.