Eclipse - the worst Journey album ever?

[Glenn]

Why is this such a sensitive issue?

It's not....No one is taking you seriously...but its Sunday morning and you are being paid attention to, or at least this topic, for sheer amusement.


Perhaps we can talk politics, religion, or when the last time you felt the touch of a woman?

[jrny10]

Thanks St John for trying to get the discussion back on track and back to the music.

As for "This site welcomes dissenting opinions", I beg to differ so far. It's interesting how quickly it goes to personal attacks here

[Jana]

Arrival - the last Journey album.

Waaay more UnJourneyish crap filler on Arrival than there is on Eclipse. This album is tight.

That's a perfect example of me judging an album harshly in the beginning and changing your mind. I couldn't stick with the album. Tossed it aside in the beginning. After Perry's vibrant vocals, Augeri's more muted, down -n-the-mix vocals on Arrival really bothered me. I couldn't accept the difference. There was filler for me. I could never get past any of those issues but would try the album every great once in a while. Nothing changed. One day (way later in time) I threw it on while working at home, and it clicked. I fell in love with the album and appreciated Augeri's understated but soulful delivery, even though at times his vocals were a little harsh or strained. (I read he was sick with a cold) I just overlooked those few instances, because it's a great album and feel Augeri's delivery is perfect for the mood of the album and made it, and wouldn't have wanted Perry's style of over-emoting for this particular album.

In the beginning I skipped quite a few songs, but as time went on I embraced the whole album. One of my favorites to this day.

[Gideon]

"This site welcomes dissenting opinions", I beg to differ so far.

Ebbs and flows, ebbs and flows. In my experience, this forum's climate is overwhelmingly pro-Perry with an occasional blizzard of pro-Journey allegiance. You're just the unlucky loon who happened to get caught outside in this storm. I'll pray for you.

It's interesting how quickly it goes to personal attacks here

Rockindeano's legacy lives on.

[Jana]

Thanks St John for trying to get the discussion back on track and back to the music.

As for "This site welcomes dissenting opinions", I beg to differ so far. It's interesting how quickly it goes to personal attacks here

It's probably the way you started out this thread. You got the reaction you wanted.

Go to the "Eclipse - Your Reviews" thread on here and you can read many people's thoughts and/or reviews, such as mine. There are comments from brilliant, good, average, or it's bad reviews on the album.

[Rip Rokken]

Thanks St John for trying to get the discussion back on track and back to the music.

As for "This site welcomes dissenting opinions", I beg to differ so far. It's interesting how quickly it goes to personal attacks here

Well, we welcome personal attacks, too. It's the circle of life!

[Gideon]

Thanks St John for trying to get the discussion back on track and back to the music.

As for "This site welcomes dissenting opinions", I beg to differ so far. It's interesting how quickly it goes to personal attacks here

Well, we welcome personal attacks, too. It's the circle of life!

Tantra, my eyes can see.

[Jana]

Thanks St John for trying to get the discussion back on track and back to the music.

As for "This site welcomes dissenting opinions", I beg to differ so far. It's interesting how quickly it goes to personal attacks here

Well, we welcome personal attacks, too. It's the circle of life!

I do have the distinction of being called the second dumbest person on MR.

[Gideon]

I do have the distinction of being called the second dumbest person on MR.

Portland must be thrilled that there's finally a competition she lands first place in.



(Porty, if you're reading this, I'm just kidding.)

[portland]

I do have the distinction of being called the second dumbest person on MR.

Portland must be thrilled that there's finally a competition she lands first place in.



(Porty, if you're reading this, I'm just kidding.)

Yes, A BSN in Nursing....and I know how to update my IPhone....I am as dumb as they come!

[Gideon]

I do have the distinction of being called the second dumbest person on MR.

Portland must be thrilled that there's finally a competition she lands first place in.



(Porty, if you're reading this, I'm just kidding.)

Yes, A BSN in Nursing....and I know how to update my IPhone....I am as dumb as they come!

You certainly have the advantage over Uncle Dan!

[Rick]

Thanks St John for trying to get the discussion back on track and back to the music.

As for "This site welcomes dissenting opinions", I beg to differ so far. It's interesting how quickly it goes to personal attacks here

What are you talking about? Fuck you!

[Triple S]

jrny10 wrote:
I pressed the stop button in the middle of the second track.

then . . .

jrny10 wrote:
First listening session, I stopped after the 2nd track.

So which is it? (and I don't have the album yet so I am neither agreeing or disagreeing with you )

[slucero]

REviews go here: http://forums.melodicrock.com/phpBB/vie ... hp?t=51365

[Escape Artist]

Eclipse - the worst Journey album ever?
In a word: No

Doesn't mean that you gotta love it though... to each his own.

[Monker]

Why is this such a sensitive issue?

It's obvious that anything Journey releases is the best thing ever to most on this forum

And, if you disagree with that, you must be from the "Perry crowd" and just miss him and want him back.

So, quit being such a Perry fan If you can just get past your Perry fixation, you will love everything the band does. Everybody is tired of the Perry fans on this forum, like you and me, who can't stand Journey without him.

[VirgilTheart]

Why is this such a sensitive issue?

It's obvious that anything Journey releases is the best thing ever to most on this forum

And, if you disagree with that, you must be from the "Perry crowd" and just miss him and want him back.

So, quit being such a Perry fan If you can just get past your Perry fixation, you will love everything the band does. Everybody is tired of the Perry fans on this forum, like you and me, who can't stand Journey without him.

Not 'anything' Journey releases. I do believe it's an unified agreement from most folks here that Generations sucked.

[Aaron]

I've not heard the whole thing through so I can't comment on the whole cd. I will tell you I agree on the first two tracks I've heard, City of Hope and Resonate.

I seen the note on song writing credits in a different post, this may very well be the answer to your guestion. I was surprised to see that Schon and Cain wrote the majority of the songs on their own. I think they both have been part of writing some of the best music out there, with input from others (mainly Rolie and Perry). I've not seen anything steller from the Schon and Cain team. That may be the issue. I'll see when I pick the cd up this week.

Suck it up, listen to it a few times through and then give us a refresh of your view. Any new work deserves a fair shake.

I pressed the stop button in the middle of the second track because of Arnel's vocals. I don't even feel tempted listening to the rest of the record. Sad.

The plastic production, the plastic vocals, the cardboard drums... WTF happened with this band? How could they sink to such depths?

"We made love of lifetime" etc etc. Seriously. If I could find one word that sums it all up: lightweight. How could the band become so damn lightweight and wishy-washy? This is like listening to a parody of the real band. Anything is Possible - have they started writing songs for cheerleading teams? Just awful. The short Neal solo in the song reminds you he's still got it but then it's back to the wish wash again.

Arrival - the last Journey album.

[Glenn]

Why is this such a sensitive issue?

It's obvious that anything Journey releases is the best thing ever to most on this forum

And, if you disagree with that, you must be from the "Perry crowd" and just miss him and want him back.

So, quit being such a Perry fan If you can just get past your Perry fixation, you will love everything the band does. Everybody is tired of the Perry fans on this forum, like you and me, who can't stand Journey without him.

No Monker...The issue is that this "troll", (maybe, maybe not) gave a bullshit review...I could give 2 shits if you like anything, but don't come in and say you hit pause of the middle of the second song and declare the album sucks.

[Glenn]

REviews go here: http://forums.melodicrock.com/phpBB/vie ... hp?t=51365

cool...This thread here never needed to be done..I agree, all reviews should go here.

[steveo777]

Why is this such a sensitive issue?

It's obvious that anything Journey releases is the best thing ever to most on this forum

And, if you disagree with that, you must be from the "Perry crowd" and just miss him and want him back.

So, quit being such a Perry fan If you can just get past your Perry fixation, you will love everything the band does. Everybody is tired of the Perry fans on this forum, like you and me, who can't stand Journey without him.

No Monker...The issue is that this "troll", (maybe, maybe not) gave a bullshit review...I could give 2 shits if you like anything, but don't come in and say you hit pause of the middle of the second song and declare the album sucks.

A Troll draws the attention of the success of others to self. Cannot handle success of others. Must, like a spoiled brat child, be the attention central.
The party must be crashed. Good stuff is happening and troll simply can't deal with that. No, sir, we can't have none of that! This is my world and
I rule it. This album sucks and it's the worst steaming pile of donkey shit Journey has ever put out. Me...me....me....and back to the Perry forum!

[S2M]

Good stuff is happening? This album is 2nd only to Generations is overall lameness. I swear, some people will latch on to anything Journey - and declare it good....

[Gideon]

I swear, some people will latch on to anything Journey - and declare it good....

You do realize that bias goes both ways, right? It's sexy that way.

[VirgilTheart]

Good stuff is happening? This album is 2nd only to Generations is overall lameness. I swear, some people will latch on to anything Journey - and declare it good....

I keep forgetting to comment on something I noticed about what you've been saying about Eclipse thus far.

Currently, you've been saying that 'She's A Mystery' is the only good track on the album, but a month or so ago, I recall you enjoying 'Chain of Love'.

Please enlighten me on what sparked the change?

You do realize that bias goes both ways, right? It's sexy that way.

Best comeback ever.

[S2M]

Hmmmm....I remember not hating the 20 sec clip I heard a month ago. Now that I have the full song, I've since changed my mind.

Correct me if I'm wrong....in order for the bias to go BOTH ways, wouldn't the person have to not latch on to Journey, and declare everything lame?

I have not met a person who claims this....

[Glenn]

Good stuff is happening? This album is 2nd only to Generations is overall lameness. I swear, some people will latch on to anything Journey - and declare it good....

Well, not every has the same taste as you Sean. For example, I share your fandom for Rush but differ greatly when it comes to Danger Danger.

Folks latch on to current Journey because they like current Journey. I'm a latcher myself.

[Don]

Bumping this thread because everyone else seems to want to.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QHI_4tgQDHs

[S2M]

Good stuff is happening? This album is 2nd only to Generations is overall lameness. I swear, some people will latch on to anything Journey - and declare it good....

Well, not every has the same taste as you Sean. For example, I share your fandom for Rush but differ greatly when it comes to Danger Danger.

Folks latch on to current Journey because they like current Journey. I'm a latcher myself.

I've studied this phenomenon...it's called, 'I consider myself an intellectual music fan. i love the heady lyrics, and exotic time signature changes of RUSH......I love the philosophical themes, and Neil's godly talent....I can't be caught dead listening to such banal, fun music like Danger Danger....blah, blah, blah.....'

To be fair, folks latch on to Journey for nostagia reasons....that, and they justify it as, 'Well, gotta get on the bandwagon because this is the only Journey I'm getting.....'

[Gideon]

in order for the bias to go BOTH ways, wouldn't the person have to not latch on to Journey,

That's rather superficial thinking, isn't it?
The notion that 'bias' must be clearly projected by users across a message board isn't sensible. A person can be biased without declaring everything to be lame or everything to be great. Andrew can be biased in favor of the band even though he assures us he's not (which is what you seem to think). Likewise, you can be biased against the band even though you claim otherwise.

My point is that while it might seem as though there are people who will laud every and anything Journey puts out, there also seem to be those who will "bitch and moan" about every and anything too.

[S2M]

in order for the bias to go BOTH ways, wouldn't the person have to not latch on to Journey,

That's rather superficial thinking, isn't it?
The notion that 'bias' must be clearly projected by users across a message board isn't sensible. A person can be biased without declaring everything to be lame or everything to be great. Andrew can be biased in favor of the band even though he assures us he's not (which is what you seem to think). Likewise, you can be biased against the band even though you claim otherwise.

My point is that while it might seem as though there are people who will laud every and anything Journey puts out, there also seem to be those who will "bitch and moan" about every and anything too.

Now see...I, myself, am much more interested in the why, and way less interested in the what....I always want to know why somebody thinks a certain way. More times than not people have no idea why they hold certain beliefs....they just sort of pick them up by osmosis.