I Hate To Bring This Up... I Really Do....

[Jana]

With a voice like that, the guy could read the friggin' financial news to me and I'd get off on it.

Love that vocal appreciation, no matter who the singer may be. Nothin' like a great toe curling vocal.

As a wannabe singer myself, I'm in constant amazement of what he can do as a singer. He's got range for days and balls.

Beginning to see a pattern. I see posted here, more times than not, it seems to be the guys that care much more about the range and us gals care more about the delivery/tone. Hmmm interesting.

See, I love Arnel's tone. I've always said that in my posts. But I've always loved his range, too.

[brywool]

With a voice like that, the guy could read the friggin' financial news to me and I'd get off on it.

Love that vocal appreciation, no matter who the singer may be. Nothin' like a great toe curling vocal.

As a wannabe singer myself, I'm in constant amazement of what he can do as a singer. He's got range for days and balls.

Beginning to see a pattern. I see posted here, more times than not, it seems to be the guys that care much more about the range and us gals care more about the delivery/tone. Hmmm interesting.

Don't read too much into that Deb- I like Rangey singers because it's something I'm always working on. BUT it's also rare that the range he uses doesn't sound like headvoice at all, but full on chest. I'm sure that's incorrect, but it sounds really full. With Perry, he also had that. On the early albums, you could really hear the difference between his two voices. He had this "tone" on Infinity and Evolution (Jeremey also has this) and you could tell when he was in his head voice. By the time he got to Escape- that all seemed to be one solid voice. I think that's why Escape is my favorite Perry album. He had everything on that record. Once Frontiers came out, that rasp invaded his voice and from there, he lost range. I still maintain that THAT KIND of rasp he had was damage. You can add rasp without damaging your voice, but you can also get it from over use. Doesn't mean everything he did after Escape sucked by any means. Just for me, as a "Singer album" Escape was top of the heap. As for emotion, yeah, Perry had tons. BUT I hear that with Pineda too.

[Michigan Girl]

lol ...hell no I'm not going to bash you, your opinion has always been interesting
and informative!! I respect your thoughts/feelings ...
The diction has never been an issue or severe to me, either ...it's the connection
I have always missed because of, well, read what Deb just posted ^^^...dude could
sing the entire catalog in tagalog and I'd be fine if I felt
the emotion in the songs ...his voice is incredible, never ever once have I stated
otherwise!! I've bought the cd's and been to the shows, quit looking for something
that isn't there in my opinions/posts!!

[Deb]

With a voice like that, the guy could read the friggin' financial news to me and I'd get off on it.

Love that vocal appreciation, no matter who the singer may be. Nothin' like a great toe curling vocal.

As a wannabe singer myself, I'm in constant amazement of what he can do as a singer. He's got range for days and balls.

Beginning to see a pattern. I see posted here, more times than not, it seems to be the guys that care much more about the range and us gals care more about the delivery/tone. Hmmm interesting.

Don't read too much into that Deb- I like Rangey singers because it's something I'm always working on. BUT it's also rare that the range he uses doesn't sound like headvoice at all, but full on chest. I'm sure that's incorrect, but it sounds really full. With Perry, he also had that. On the early albums, you could really hear the difference between his two voices. He had this "tone" on Infinity and Evolution (Jeremey also has this) and you could tell when he was in his head voice. By the time he got to Escape- that all seemed to be one solid voice. I think that's why Escape is my favorite Perry album. He had everything on that record. Once Frontiers came out, that rasp invaded his voice and from there, he lost range. I still maintain that THAT KIND of rasp he had was damage. You can add rasp without damaging your voice, but you can also get it from over use. Doesn't mean everything he did after Escape sucked by any means. Just for me, as a "Singer album" Escape was top of the heap. As for emotion, yeah, Perry had tons. BUT I hear that with Pineda too.

See that is where we differ bigtime. I don't hear damage, that rasp excelled his voice to another level IMO. That tone/timbre/rasp to me was way better, I think it added much more depth and raw emotability. But then I'm one who needs some texture to my vocals, not much one for those pristine crystal clear girlyman range of vocals. So I would take Frontiers/ROR vocal timbre anyday of the week over the early SP vocals. I'll always take a soulful rasp over high range for sure.

[brywool]

lol ...hell no I'm not going to bash you, your opinion has always been interesting
and informative!! I respect your thoughts/feelings ...
The diction has never been an issue or severe to me, either ...it's the connection
I have always missed because of, well, read what Deb just posted ^^^...dude could
sing the entire catalog in tagalog and I'd be fine if I felt
the emotion in the songs ...his voice is incredible, never ever once have I stated
otherwise!! I've bought the cd's and been to the shows, quit looking for something
that isn't there in my opinions/posts!!

(Crap! I pulled the bash line out!)
I think a lot of folks equate "rasp" to emotion. I know a lot of folks feel that with Bruce Springsteen who I absolutely cannot stand (Hi Deano! Love ya man!). A lot of raspy singers get that "Wow, listen to the emotion in there!" quote. Rod Stewart too.
Guys that are great technical singers get the "wow, there's just no emotion there" tag. I can remember reviews of Perry where they never gave the guy credit for the emotion. In fact, it's only been HERE where I've heard people appreciate it. The press certainly used to pigpile on him for being "all technique, no substance". Well, if you're technically amazing as both he and Arnel are (were, depending on your slant), the emotion comes EASIER because you're not focusing on your voice.

[S2M]

lol ...hell no I'm not going to bash you, your opinion has always been interesting
and informative!! I respect your thoughts/feelings ...
The diction has never been an issue or severe to me, either ...it's the connection
I have always missed because of, well, read what Deb just posted ^^^...dude could
sing the entire catalog in tagalog and I'd be fine if I felt
the emotion in the songs ...his voice is incredible, never ever once have I stated
otherwise!! I've bought the cd's and been to the shows, quit looking for something
that isn't there in my opinions/posts!!

(Crap! I pulled the bash line out!)
I think a lot of folks equate "rasp" to emotion. I know a lot of folks feel that with Bruce Springsteen who I absolutely cannot stand (Hi Deano! Love ya man!). A lot of raspy singers get that "Wow, listen to the emotion in there!" quote. Rod Stewart too.
Guys that are great technical singers get the "wow, there's just no emotion there" tag. I can remember reviews of Perry where they never gave the guy credit for the emotion. In fact, it's only been HERE where I've heard people appreciate it. The press certainly used to pigpile on him for being "all technique, no substance". Well, if you're technically amazing as both he and Arnel are (were, depending on your slant), the emotion comes EASIER because you're not focusing on your voice.

I saw what you did there.....

[brywool]

lol ...hell no I'm not going to bash you, your opinion has always been interesting
and informative!! I respect your thoughts/feelings ...
The diction has never been an issue or severe to me, either ...it's the connection
I have always missed because of, well, read what Deb just posted ^^^...dude could
sing the entire catalog in tagalog and I'd be fine if I felt
the emotion in the songs ...his voice is incredible, never ever once have I stated
otherwise!! I've bought the cd's and been to the shows, quit looking for something
that isn't there in my opinions/posts!!

(Crap! I pulled the bash line out!)
I think a lot of folks equate "rasp" to emotion. I know a lot of folks feel that with Bruce Springsteen who I absolutely cannot stand (Hi Deano! Love ya man!). A lot of raspy singers get that "Wow, listen to the emotion in there!" quote. Rod Stewart too.
Guys that are great technical singers get the "wow, there's just no emotion there" tag. I can remember reviews of Perry where they never gave the guy credit for the emotion. In fact, it's only been HERE where I've heard people appreciate it. The press certainly used to pigpile on him for being "all technique, no substance". Well, if you're technically amazing as both he and Arnel are (were, depending on your slant), the emotion comes EASIER because you're not focusing on your voice.

I saw what you did there.....

hahahaha

wait...

no, hahahahha

[brywool]

speaking of emotion (because I'm listening to the album for probably the 500th time right now...)
Listen to Tantra. The whole beginning of that song- your hear the emotion there for sure. You can hear a guy that's looking for his way in his spirituality. I totally hear it. Listen to when he gets to (my favorite word- actually, it is, it's my daughter's name, "grace").

You cannot tell me you don't hear it.

[Michigan Girl]

I hear Drama in Tantra ...as though he is in a musical on broadway, eee-nun-ceee-ating
to the folks in the audience/us to ensure that we understand each and every SYLLABLE!!

[Deb]

speaking of emotion (because I'm listening to the album for probably the 500th time right now...)
Listen to Tantra. The whole beginning of that song- your hear the emotion there for sure. You can hear a guy that's looking for his way in his spirituality. I totally hear it. Listen to when he gets to (my favorite word- actually, it is, it's my daughter's name, "grace").

You cannot tell me you don't hear it.

I'll have to have a listen to that one later. Guess it's all in the ear of the beholder, we all zone into what moves us respectively. I'm not saying he doesn't sing with emotion. Just not enough to give me goosebumps.

This to me is singing with emotion, had me believin' every word he was singing. I could have just picked my jaw up off the floor and went home after that song, that one was worth the price of admission alone right there, when it comes to emoting......... Broken Man ~ http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4W3NKWXIiVE

[brywool]

speaking of emotion (because I'm listening to the album for probably the 500th time right now...)
Listen to Tantra. The whole beginning of that song- your hear the emotion there for sure. You can hear a guy that's looking for his way in his spirituality. I totally hear it. Listen to when he gets to (my favorite word- actually, it is, it's my daughter's name, "grace").

You cannot tell me you don't hear it.

I'll have to have a listen to that one later. Guess it's all in the ear of the beholder, we all zone into what moves us respectively. I'm not saying he doesn't sing with emotion. Just not enough to give me goosebumps.

This to me is singing with emotion, had me believin' every word he was singing. I could have just picked my jaw up off the floor and went home after that song, that one was worth the price of admission alone right there, when it comes to emoting......... Broken Man ~ http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4W3NKWXIiVE

If I click on this, is it going to be Mr. Big???
I just don't get them. Sorry.

Oh wait, it's Soto, figures.

Yeah, Soto's got soul. I hear a little black man in him trying to get out and that's how I've always heard him. I hated him for Journey, but I like his own thing and Soul Sirkus too. I just didn't think he fit Journey's song. Yeah, he's good.

[portland]

That is what I believe the reason why most of you here will not be able to feel what Arnel is emoting. And to the extent do not understand what he is singing. He has its own way in expressing his emotions and I can certainly feel that and to some here but it is just different. It has something to do with the culture. Living with the culture is the best way to understand and it goes both ways. If Arnel stays longer overseas, he might be able to adapt faster.

Actually I would tend to disagree with that. Emoting is emoting, whether it be in english, spanish, etc. Emoting is in the delivery not the lyrics or pronounciation. I think you either got it or you don't. A great emoter can be singing about anything, hell even toilet paper doesn't matter, if done with enough great R&B vocal runs and soulful delivery. IMO heartfelt emoting of a song is not in the lyrics, but in the delivery of them. I have no problem whatsoever with Arnel's diction, I just don't hear the depth, tone, and raw emotion that make a vocalist my favorite.

Agreed 100%! I think the issue with Journey fans today is that they are confusing being able to hit every note on every song in the Journey catalog as being able to provide emotion and feeling. I would much rather hear a singer singing the lyrics as if he/she is pouring her heart out to someone, I just don't hear that with Arnel.

^^^Thank You^^^ that is it...

[hoagiepete]

No problem with his emotion, tone and range, but diction is indeed a distraction. Probably going to be what keeps this CD from becoming a classic in my book.

Not suggesting the guy from a previous thread is a potential replacement...not at all... but when I heard AATY without the diction issue, it just "popped". http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=roiQaapXh2I

It may not bother some the least, and I respect that and am happy for those that can enjoy the music to the fullest, but I can sure understand all those struggling with it.

I love Journey's past music, some more than others, and am trying to love Eclipse. It would be a home run without the diction problem. Probably going to be bases empty, two out double with it.

[Arkansas]

What? Like saying 'peas' instead of 'peace'? Or 'prehz-szyuss', rather that 'precious'? There are difficult syllables all over.
I think AP has a great voice and is an immense talent. But, I also think that America probably, quietly rejects him.


later~

[brywool]

What? Like saying 'peas' instead of 'peace'? Or 'prehz-szyuss', rather that 'precious'? There are difficult syllables all over.
I think AP has a great voice and is an immense talent. But, I also think that America probably, quietly rejects him.


later~

YUP. The rest of the world can handle it, but America, for all it's immigrant-built history just can't seem to get past the guy's ethnicity.

Hey Journey- On the next album cover, please give Arnel a bright orange hunting hat and a Schmidt 40 Ouncer. Make sure he's holding a shotgun and photographed in front of some old pickup truck. That'll sell him... or at least distract redneck Americans enough so that they won't notice he's NOT ONE OF US!!! OH MY GOD!!! You might even make sure that he sings "Any way you want it, that's the way we'll GET R DONE" on the next single.
America, We're a melting pot... but not really!

[yogi]

Is Schmidt still around?? How about a Hamms??? The Hamms Bear Ruled!!!!!

[Don]

I hear Drama in Tantra ...as though he is in a musical on broadway, eee-nun-ceee-ating
to the folks in the audience/us to ensure that we understand each and every SYLLABLE!!

Yep, that is what I hear. The same over the top dramatics that Mother, Father has going on. People always use that song in their emotion defense about Perry but I think the songs he sang on TBF are a much more sincere example of being emotive.

[Deb]

I hear Drama in Tantra ...as though he is in a musical on broadway, eee-nun-ceee-ating
to the folks in the audience/us to ensure that we understand each and every SYLLABLE!!

Yep, that is what I hear. The same over the top dramatics that Mother, Father has going on. People always use that song in their emotion defense about Perry but I think the songs he sang on TBF are a much more sincere example of being emotive.

Totally agree on TBF, I've used Mother Father as an example not so much for emotive but as an example of his vocal acrobatic abilities. Easy To Fall off TBF is a good example of emotive, probably why it's one of my faves. If He Should Break Your Heart for the most part is another good example. Heck, that line...... "Here we are, once again you've got someone new. Lonely hands, please don't do what you wanna do...." gets me everytime, soooo emotive.

[brywool]

I hear Drama in Tantra ...as though he is in a musical on broadway, eee-nun-ceee-ating
to the folks in the audience/us to ensure that we understand each and every SYLLABLE!!

Yep, that is what I hear. The same over the top dramatics that Mother, Father has going on. People always use that song in their emotion defense about Perry but I think the songs he sang on TBF are a much more sincere example of being emotive.

Totally agree on TBF, I've used Mother Father as an example not so much for emotive but as an example of his vocal acrobatic abilities. Easy To Fall off TBF is a good example of emotive, probably why it's one of my faves. If He Should Break Your Heart for the most part is another good example. Heck, that line...... "Here we are, once again you've got someone new. Lonely hands, please don't do what you wanna do...." gets me everytime, soooo emotive.

Here we agree- "Easy to Fall" is easily one of the best Journey songs ever. That song really hits me. Great one. The only problem I have with it is that it ripped off the chords from Sweet and Simple.

[portland]

I hear Drama in Tantra ...as though he is in a musical on broadway, eee-nun-ceee-ating
to the folks in the audience/us to ensure that we understand each and every SYLLABLE!!

Yep, that is what I hear. The same over the top dramatics that Mother, Father has going on. People always use that song in their emotion defense about Perry but I think the songs he sang on TBF are a much more sincere example of being emotive.

Totally agree on TBF, I've used Mother Father as an example not so much for emotive but as an example of his vocal acrobatic abilities. Easy To Fall off TBF is a good example of emotive, probably why it's one of my faves. If He Should Break Your Heart for the most part is another good example. Heck, that line...... "Here we are, once again you've got someone new. Lonely hands, please don't do what you wanna do...." gets me everytime, soooo emotive.

I think Perry said Mother Father was the most difficult to sing.

I actually think Anyway is one of my favorites for emoting.......JMO

http://youtu.be/PQXEr9F0Wqg

[Greg]

What? Like saying 'peas' instead of 'peace'? Or 'prehz-szyuss', rather that 'precious'? There are difficult syllables all over.
I think AP has a great voice and is an immense talent. But, I also think that America probably, quietly rejects him.


later~

YUP. The rest of the world can handle it, but America, for all it's immigrant-built history just can't seem to get past the guy's ethnicity.

Hey Journey- On the next album cover, please give Arnel a bright orange hunting hat and a Schmidt 40 Ouncer. Make sure he's holding a shotgun and photographed in front of some old pickup truck. That'll sell him... or at least distract redneck Americans enough so that they won't notice he's NOT ONE OF US!!! OH MY GOD!!! You might even make sure that he sings "Any way you want it, that's the way we'll GET R DONE" on the next single.
America, We're a melting pot... but not really!

See, it's shit like this is what got things blown out of proportion when Arnel first came onto the scene. Lord forbid someone says anything negative about Arnel Pineda. He or she must be a southern redneck and must be racist. Please, get over yourself. I don't bow down to the "you're either 100% on board or get the f--- out" attitude like some here have. I don't care if he is a big ol' white Texan, and African American, or if he's from Sweden. If there are aspects of a singer's voice that I don't care for, then that has everything to do with his singing and not about his ethnicity. I swear, THAT is what is wrong with America today. Too many people willing to pull out the race card if someone in the minority happens to be judged critically in any type of way.

[Don]

What? Like saying 'peas' instead of 'peace'? Or 'prehz-szyuss', rather that 'precious'? There are difficult syllables all over.
I think AP has a great voice and is an immense talent. But, I also think that America probably, quietly rejects him.


later~

YUP. The rest of the world can handle it, but America, for all it's immigrant-built history just can't seem to get past the guy's ethnicity.

Hey Journey- On the next album cover, please give Arnel a bright orange hunting hat and a Schmidt 40 Ouncer. Make sure he's holding a shotgun and photographed in front of some old pickup truck. That'll sell him... or at least distract redneck Americans enough so that they won't notice he's NOT ONE OF US!!! OH MY GOD!!! You might even make sure that he sings "Any way you want it, that's the way we'll GET R DONE" on the next single.
America, We're a melting pot... but not really!

See, it's shit like this is what got things blown out of proportion when Arnel first came onto the scene. Lord forbid someone says anything negative about Arnel Pineda. He or she must be a southern redneck and must be racist. Please, get over yourself. I don't bow down to the "you're either 100% on board or get the f--- out" attitude like some here have. I don't care if he is a big ol' white Texan, and African American, or if he's from Sweden. If there are aspects of a singer's voice that I don't care for, then that has everything to do with his singing and not about his ethnicity. I swear, THAT is what is wrong with America today. Too many people willing to pull out the race card if someone in the minority happens to be judged critically in any type of way.

That's just the way Brywool is. We're used to it. He'll get upset that we're being mean to Arnel and then he'll go pout down in the Styx forum for a while like he always does. Don't mind him.

[Deb]

What? Like saying 'peas' instead of 'peace'? Or 'prehz-szyuss', rather that 'precious'? There are difficult syllables all over.
I think AP has a great voice and is an immense talent. But, I also think that America probably, quietly rejects him.


later~

YUP. The rest of the world can handle it, but America, for all it's immigrant-built history just can't seem to get past the guy's ethnicity.

Hey Journey- On the next album cover, please give Arnel a bright orange hunting hat and a Schmidt 40 Ouncer. Make sure he's holding a shotgun and photographed in front of some old pickup truck. That'll sell him... or at least distract redneck Americans enough so that they won't notice he's NOT ONE OF US!!! OH MY GOD!!! You might even make sure that he sings "Any way you want it, that's the way we'll GET R DONE" on the next single.
America, We're a melting pot... but not really!

See, it's shit like this is what got things blown out of proportion when Arnel first came onto the scene. Lord forbid someone says anything negative about Arnel Pineda. He or she must be a southern redneck and must be racist. Please, get over yourself. I don't bow down to the "you're either 100% on board or get the f--- out" attitude like some here have. I don't care if he is a big ol' white Texan, and African American, or if he's from Sweden. If there are aspects of a singer's voice that I don't care for, then that has everything to do with his singing and not about his ethnicity. I swear, THAT is what is wrong with America today. Too many people willing to pull out the race card if someone in the minority happens to be judged critically in any type of way.

That's just the way Brywool is. We're used to it. He'll get upset that we're being mean to Arnel and then he'll go pout down in the Styx forum for a while like he always does. Don't mind him.

True dat, you didn't see me going all racist and homophobic on Bry for his post about JSS "having a little black man in him".

[conversationpc]

YUP. The rest of the world can handle it, but America, for all it's immigrant-built history just can't seem to get past the guy's ethnicity.

Hey Journey- On the next album cover, please give Arnel a bright orange hunting hat and a Schmidt 40 Ouncer. Make sure he's holding a shotgun and photographed in front of some old pickup truck. That'll sell him... or at least distract redneck Americans enough so that they won't notice he's NOT ONE OF US!!! OH MY GOD!!! You might even make sure that he sings "Any way you want it, that's the way we'll GET R DONE" on the next single.
America, We're a melting pot... but not really!

See, it's shit like this is what got things blown out of proportion when Arnel first came onto the scene. Lord forbid someone says anything negative about Arnel Pineda. He or she must be a southern redneck and must be racist. Please, get over yourself. I don't bow down to the "you're either 100% on board or get the f--- out" attitude like some here have. I don't care if he is a big ol' white Texan, and African American, or if he's from Sweden. If there are aspects of a singer's voice that I don't care for, then that has everything to do with his singing and not about his ethnicity. I swear, THAT is what is wrong with America today. Too many people willing to pull out the race card if someone in the minority happens to be judged critically in any type of way.

I love Arnel's voice. The dude is a great singer. That being said, I do kinda still wish that Journey had remained an all-American band. That's not a knock on Arnel's ethnicity at all.

[conversationpc]

True dat, you didn't see me going all racist and homophobic on Bry for his post about JSS "having a little black man in him".

Do you know something about Brywool that the rest of us don't?

[Onestepper]

I can hear the diction issue off and on throughout the album. Doesn't bother me. I assume it's because he's Filipino. I don't expect a Filipino to sound exactly like a singer from the states, because he is not from the states. The math is pretty simple for me.

Call me crazy.

[Don]

I can hear the diction issue off and on throughout the album. Doesn't bother me. I assume it's because he's Filipino. I don't expect a Filipino to sound exactly like a singer from the states, because he is not from the states. The math is pretty simple for me.

Call me crazy.

That's what I said in my earlier post. For the most part, he's singing in his natural voice, not trying to emulate anyone. Only with Tantra where they try to put him on stage as if he's reading from a script does his accent pop out a little more, and even then it's only because we almost expect it to that most of us notice it.

[brywool]

What? Like saying 'peas' instead of 'peace'? Or 'prehz-szyuss', rather that 'precious'? There are difficult syllables all over.
I think AP has a great voice and is an immense talent. But, I also think that America probably, quietly rejects him.


later~

YUP. The rest of the world can handle it, but America, for all it's immigrant-built history just can't seem to get past the guy's ethnicity.

Hey Journey- On the next album cover, please give Arnel a bright orange hunting hat and a Schmidt 40 Ouncer. Make sure he's holding a shotgun and photographed in front of some old pickup truck. That'll sell him... or at least distract redneck Americans enough so that they won't notice he's NOT ONE OF US!!! OH MY GOD!!! You might even make sure that he sings "Any way you want it, that's the way we'll GET R DONE" on the next single.
America, We're a melting pot... but not really!

See, it's shit like this is what got things blown out of proportion when Arnel first came onto the scene. Lord forbid someone says anything negative about Arnel Pineda. He or she must be a southern redneck and must be racist. Please, get over yourself. I don't bow down to the "you're either 100% on board or get the f--- out" attitude like some here have. I don't care if he is a big ol' white Texan, and African American, or if he's from Sweden. If there are aspects of a singer's voice that I don't care for, then that has everything to do with his singing and not about his ethnicity. I swear, THAT is what is wrong with America today. Too many people willing to pull out the race card if someone in the minority happens to be judged critically in any type of way.

No, it's shit like quibbling over pronunciation issues that gets it blown out of proportion. Some of the early Journey albums had Perry pronouncing funky stuff for sure. Nobody ever mentioned it, but it was there for sure. I DO remember CREEM saying he sang like a duck. The issue IS about his ethnicity whether you admit it or not. Not calling you a racist dude so relax. But because of where he's from, he DOES pronounce stuff differently- and YET people are expecting him to sound like he's from California. Holy Crap, listen to a Boston accent as opposed to an Oregon accent. If the guy had a Boston accent and the song was called "Pahk the Cah in the Yahd", he would NOT get folks going on about his diction and using it as a reason to diss him. But because of where he's NOT from, many are looking for it. I remember when Arnel first came on the scene. People here were whining about "Journey should be an American band", etc. why? who says?

[Michigan Girl]

What? Like saying 'peas' instead of 'peace'? Or 'prehz-szyuss', rather that 'precious'? There are difficult syllables all over.
I think AP has a great voice and is an immense talent. But, I also think that America probably, quietly rejects him.


later~

YUP. The rest of the world can handle it, but America, for all it's immigrant-built history just can't seem to get past the guy's ethnicity.

Hey Journey- On the next album cover, please give Arnel a bright orange hunting hat and a Schmidt 40 Ouncer. Make sure he's holding a shotgun and photographed in front of some old pickup truck. That'll sell him... or at least distract redneck Americans enough so that they won't notice he's NOT ONE OF US!!! OH MY GOD!!! You might even make sure that he sings "Any way you want it, that's the way we'll GET R DONE" on the next single.
America, We're a melting pot... but not really!

See, it's shit like this is what got things blown out of proportion when Arnel first came onto the scene. Lord forbid someone says anything negative about Arnel Pineda. He or she must be a southern redneck and must be racist. Please, get over yourself. I don't bow down to the "you're either 100% on board or get the f--- out" attitude like some here have. I don't care if he is a big ol' white Texan, and African American, or if he's from Sweden. If there are aspects of a singer's voice that I don't care for, then that has everything to do with his singing and not about his ethnicity. I swear, THAT is what is wrong with America today. Too many people willing to pull out the race card if someone in the minority happens to be judged critically in any type of way.

That's just the way Brywool is. We're used to it. He'll get upset that we're being mean to Arnel and then he'll go pout down in the Styx forum for a while like he always does. Don't mind him.

True dat, you didn't see me going all racist and homophobic on Bry for his post about JSS "having a little black man in him".

It's a huge compliment, homey!!

[brywool]

That's just the way Brywool is. We're used to it. He'll get upset that we're being mean to Arnel and then he'll go pout down in the Styx forum for a while like he always does. Don't mind him.

Ha, I missed this, funny. No, but seriously- this guy is the BEST choice they had and he's doing a great job. But he's going to get nitpicked to the grave just like Augeri. Just like Perry when he replace Rolie, just like Jss. I don't get why people love to look for the negatives. I'm like "Jeez people what do you want??? Well, he ain't coming back, so till he does, I'm digging the new stuff"