Why isn't the band playing SOMEONE live??

[Majestic]

Because Revelation appealed to the concert going 'legacy sounding' Journey fan maybe?

Revelation included covers of some of the biggest rock songs in history (AWYWI, WITS, DSB etc etc). That's why it sold like crazy. End of story.

I don't think that's so but if it were, I don't think this band would still have it as a touring act, because the retreads are horrid, and the buyers' remorse would be enormous. Even for this die hard fan, listening to the retread disk is simply painful. The other disk though, is pretty great! If people were buying Revelations for the hits, they could have got them on the greatest hits or essential Journey where the songs sound right. Since the Greatest Hits has never stopped selling, even when Revelations was doing well, it seems that's exactly what did happen so I see no reason to think Revelations sold for the reason you say.

[Greg]

Because Revelation appealed to the concert going 'legacy sounding' Journey fan maybe?

Revelation included covers of some of the biggest rock songs in history (AWYWI, WITS, DSB etc etc). That's why it sold like crazy. End of story.

I don't think that's so but if it were, I don't think this band would still have it as a touring act, because the retreads are horrid, and the buyers' remorse would be enormous. Even for this die hard fan, listening to the retread disk is simply painful. The other disk though, is pretty great! If people were buying Revelations for the hits, they could have got them on the greatest hits or essential Journey where the songs sound right. Since the Greatest Hits has never stopped selling, even when Revelations was doing well, it seems that's exactly what did happen so I see no reason to think Revelations sold for the reason you say.

The average Wal-Mart shopper that happens to roll their buggy past the music isle is going to see this new Journey "Box set" sitting there in the new releases. They're going to pick it up and notice that it comes with a disc of Greatest Hits, a disc of new music, and a DVD, all for around $10. To think that Revelation sold based on the new music is wishful thinking. You have to keep in mind, only people here who follow everything the band does and who's going to analyze everything the band does would know that the GH CD in that package were re-records. You're average fan who likes Journey solely on the dirty dozen is probably not going to analyze the package past the point where it gives a track listing of those hit songs. Certainly, once they pop in the CD, they're probably like, "WTF?" They might spend the actual Revelation disc a couple of times, but believe me, without that low cost 3-disc package, Revelation probably would not have sold as much as it did.

Following your logic, Eclipse should have out sold Revelation by a mile since it seems to be the general consensus that Eclipse is a much better album than Revelation. We can talk about promotion until the cows come home, but the truth is, the new music itself probably has nothing to do with how well these albums sell. This has to be true since the new music hardly gets (if any) radio air play on mainstream, top 40 channels.

[The_Noble_Cause]

I don't think that's so but if it were, I don't think this band would still have it as a touring act, because the retreads are horrid, and the buyers' remorse would be enormous. Even for this die hard fan, listening to the retread disk is simply painful. The other disk though, is pretty great! If people were buying Revelations for the hits, they could have got them on the greatest hits or essential Journey where the songs sound right. Since the Greatest Hits has never stopped selling, even when Revelations was doing well, it seems that's exactly what did happen so I see no reason to think Revelations sold for the reason you say.

Lazy rock bands desperate to chart do one of two things - either re-record their own hits or record a covers album. If Revelation sold because of new material than Arrival, Generations, and Eclipse would've sold too.

[jestor92]

I'd say because the song sucks, but that's just this guy's opinion.

Clean the wax out of your ears!

I do every morning...maybe that's the problem. Maybe I should stop cleaning and perhaps it'll clear the suckiness out of the song

The song is pure bland. For the person to compare it to what Schon and Blades wrote I ask are you mad? Even the songs from that sessions that didn't make it onto Arrival and appeared on Over the Edge and Jack Blades solo album are much better than Someone.

Someone to me sounds like someone took a shit on Raised On Radio and released it.

[RedWingFan]

Lazy rock bands desperate to chart do one of two things - either re-record their own hits or record a covers album. If Revelation sold because of new material than Arrival, Generations, and Eclipse would've sold too.

Agreed. I remember my sister picking up a copy of Bon Jovi's "This Left Feels Right" just because she wanted a greatest hits cd, then calling me in horror of what she just listened to.

I've never listened to it but I hear that was a pretty typical reaction. People scan the track listing and see familiar titles and buy it assuming it's the original recordings.

[Saint John]

Lazy rock bands desperate to chart do one of two things - either re-record their own hits or record a covers album. If Revelation sold because of new material than Arrival, Generations, and Eclipse would've sold too.

So, what you're saying is this ... if Eclipse had the same amount of press as Revelation (Oprah, GQ, CBS Sunday Morning, Ellen, etc.), a far better price tag (say $5.99), two songs on the AC charts, and better packaging, that it would have these same numbers? Wrong. It would have had numbers similar to Revelation. Revelation sold because of radio friendly songs charting (albeit AC), promotion and price. The re-records were about as important to Revelation's sales as pedals on a wheelchair.

[RedWingFan]

Lazy rock bands desperate to chart do one of two things - either re-record their own hits or record a covers album. If Revelation sold because of new material than Arrival, Generations, and Eclipse would've sold too.

The re-records were about as important to Revelation's sales as pedals on a wheelchair.

So you're saying that if Revelation was a 2-disc set of all new material and a DVD (which I would have preferred. I bought it despite the re-records), it would have sold just as many copies?

I don't think so. TNC is right here, I'm guessing Revelation would have sold 20-30% less than what it did.

[SultanOfSwing]

IMO, these are major reasons why Revelation has sold more:
1. Fans are curious on how Arnel sounds singing dirty dozens.
2. Two discs, one live DVD was included in the package plus an excellent CD cover just for $10 (unlike Eclipse made of cardboard)
3. A lot of Pinoys supported and bought multiple copies and gave them to family and friends.
4. Media marketing like Oprah, Ellen De Generes, CBS interview, People magazine, CNN, Superbowl appearance and well marketed CD due to Arnel's rags to riches story.
5. After All These Years playing on local radio.

[Saint John]

So you're saying that if Revelation was a 2-disc set of all new material and a DVD (which I would have preferred. I bought it despite the re-records), it would have sold just as many copies?

Correct. The only importance that the re-records had was the element of simply being a 3rd disc in the package. Had Revelation disc 2 been 12 new songs, I think you'd have seen the same numbers. Heck, another charting ballad on that second disc and it may have been more in sales.

[Greg]

Lazy rock bands desperate to chart do one of two things - either re-record their own hits or record a covers album. If Revelation sold because of new material than Arrival, Generations, and Eclipse would've sold too.

So, what you're saying is this ... if Eclipse had the same amount of press as Revelation (Oprah, GQ, CBS Sunday Morning, Ellen, etc.), a far better price tag (say $5.99), two songs on the AC charts, and better packaging, that it would have these same numbers? Wrong. It would have had numbers similar to Revelation. Revelation sold because of radio friendly songs charting (albeit AC), promotion and price. The re-records were about as important to Revelation's sales as pedals on a wheelchair.

I know you're very passionate about this band and its accomplishments in the last few years, but it's pretty much common knowledge that Revelation sold because of A) price of what was offered, and B) the greatest hits CD. Consider this, you know the hardcore fans will buy up anything their favorite band puts out. No doubting that. But, it's the casual fans that can make or break record sales. It's those fans who know all the classics or most of the classic songs...maybe enough that they'd consider going to a concert even, but they don't know anything outside of that. Those are the ones who you try to market for, because casual fans can run pretty high in number. What better way to reel in those fans than to attach something familiar to a new package? The cool thing about that is, the casual fan is probably not going to know that the GH cd doesn't have Steve Perry singing on it. They may not even pay attention to the fact that the those songs have been re-recorded. Even more casual fans may not know the difference between re-recorded, re-mastered, or remixed. And sometimes, there isn't really THAT much of a difference. So, if I'm a casual fan of Journey, and I know the dirty dozen but outside of that, I don't know anything else, I'm going to casually look at new music in Walmart and see that Journey has this big package of two discs and one DVD for $10. I see that it has songs on it that I am familiar with, so I purchase it. What the heck? I might give this disc of new stuff a spin, but I bought it mainly to hear the hits. I guarantee you that was the marketing strategy for Revelation. Couple it with the story of Pineda and the use of DSB, and bam...success!

Also, consider this: I bet part of the reason, even probably a small part of the reason why the true Greatest Hits album is selling so well, is the fact that those who bought Revelation for that hits CD, went back to buy the true GH, because they wanted the originals and were disappointed that the new "package" didn't have exactly what they had hoped for. Those are my theories on Revelation. I would say if the price was $5.99 for Eclipse, and it had a greatest hits CD with it, it would probably sell better than Revelation.

[Greg]

IMO, these are major reasons why Revelation has sold more:
1. Fans are curious on how Arnel sounds singing dirty dozens.
2. Two discs, one live DVD was included in the package plus an excellent CD cover just for $10 (unlike Eclipse made of cardboard)
3. A lot of Pinoys supported and bought multiple copies and gave them to family and friends.
4. Media marketing like Oprah, Ellen De Generes, CBS interview, People magazine, CNN, Superbowl appearance and well marketed CD due to Arnel's rags to riches story.
5. After All These Years playing on local radio.

I'd say true on all points exact for #5. I'm not sure the song was played enough on the radio to have made that much of a difference.

[Don]

IMO, these are major reasons why Revelation has sold more:
1. Fans are curious on how Arnel sounds singing dirty dozens.
2. Two discs, one live DVD was included in the package plus an excellent CD cover just for $10 (unlike Eclipse made of cardboard)
3. A lot of Pinoys supported and bought multiple copies and gave them to family and friends.
4. Media marketing like Oprah, Ellen De Generes, CBS interview, People magazine, CNN, Superbowl appearance and well marketed CD due to Arnel's rags to riches story.
5. After All These Years playing on local radio.

I'd say true on all points exact for #5. I'm not sure the song was played enough on the radio to have made that much of a difference.

#3 might be true but if so, what happened with Eclipse's first week sales. I would expect those fans who to be first inline to do the same thing with this record, at least for the first week. Either the number of Arnel's die hard filipino fans is a lot smaller than we think or the new album is so different that they even rejected it as the lack of ballads (probably the #1 genre for Filipinos) is something they aren't happy with.

[SultanOfSwing]

IMO, these are major reasons why Revelation has sold more:
1. Fans are curious on how Arnel sounds singing dirty dozens.
2. Two discs, one live DVD was included in the package plus an excellent CD cover just for $10 (unlike Eclipse made of cardboard)
3. A lot of Pinoys supported and bought multiple copies and gave them to family and friends.
4. Media marketing like Oprah, Ellen De Generes, CBS interview, People magazine, CNN, Superbowl appearance and well marketed CD due to Arnel's rags to riches story.
5. After All These Years playing on local radio.

I'd say true on all points exact for #5. I'm not sure the song was played enough on the radio to have made that much of a difference.

aah.. it's been 2 years since they played this on radio. Why can't song on Eclipse do the same thing? Why Neal?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ucecxNwOna8

[SultanOfSwing]

IMO, these are major reasons why Revelation has sold more:
1. Fans are curious on how Arnel sounds singing dirty dozens.
2. Two discs, one live DVD was included in the package plus an excellent CD cover just for $10 (unlike Eclipse made of cardboard)
3. A lot of Pinoys supported and bought multiple copies and gave them to family and friends.
4. Media marketing like Oprah, Ellen De Generes, CBS interview, People magazine, CNN, Superbowl appearance and well marketed CD due to Arnel's rags to riches story.
5. After All These Years playing on local radio.

I'd say true on all points exact for #5. I'm not sure the song was played enough on the radio to have made that much of a difference.

#3 might be true but if so, what happened with Eclipse's first week sales. I would expect those fans who to be first inline to do the same thing with this record, at least for the first week. Either the number of Arnel's die hard filipino fans is a lot smaller than we think or the new album is so different that they even rejected it as the lack of ballads (probably the #1 genre for Filipinos) is something they aren't happy with.

It's because the first year of being in the band is very critical in Arnel's career, that's why a lot of Pinoy lend their support. Now, it's been 3 years since he joined the band and Pinoys started to realized that Arnel is well established with Journey, the support diminished.

[Don]

IMO, these are major reasons why Revelation has sold more:
1. Fans are curious on how Arnel sounds singing dirty dozens.
2. Two discs, one live DVD was included in the package plus an excellent CD cover just for $10 (unlike Eclipse made of cardboard)
3. A lot of Pinoys supported and bought multiple copies and gave them to family and friends.
4. Media marketing like Oprah, Ellen De Generes, CBS interview, People magazine, CNN, Superbowl appearance and well marketed CD due to Arnel's rags to riches story.
5. After All These Years playing on local radio.

I'd say true on all points exact for #5. I'm not sure the song was played enough on the radio to have made that much of a difference.

#3 might be true but if so, what happened with Eclipse's first week sales. I would expect those fans who to be first inline to do the same thing with this record, at least for the first week. Either the number of Arnel's die hard filipino fans is a lot smaller than we think or the new album is so different that they even rejected it as the lack of ballads (probably the #1 genre for Filipinos) is something they aren't happy with.

It's because the first year of being in the band is very critical in Arnel's career, that's why a lot of Pinoy lend their support. Now, it's been 3 years since he joined the band and Pinoys started to realized that Arnel is well established with Journey, the support diminished.

This is why the "Music First" argument many throw out there doesn't wash. Going by what you said, many Fil-Am sales were done more for nationalistic reasons as in seeing a local boy succeed as opposed to just buying the record because of the quality of the product.

Now that Arnel is established, the ones that weren't really Journey music fans have left the arena and Eclipse's sales figures can now tell us the real tale of the tape concerning Pineda and Journey moving forward with new music.

What you end up with are the fans here at MR who would buy a Journey album, regardless if it was Arnel, Soto, Augeri or Perry singing.

[Saint John]

I know you're very passionate about this band and its accomplishments in the last few years, but it's pretty much common knowledge that Revelation sold because of A) price of what was offered

Agreed. It was great package that was promoted like crazy.

and B) the greatest hits CD.

Then explain why it outsold Journey's GH Live? The hits on GH Live are far more authentic renditions, yet it didn't sell all that well.

The cool thing about that is, the casual fan is probably not going to know that the GH cd doesn't have Steve Perry singing on it. They may not even pay attention to the fact that the those songs have been re-recorded.

This is simply not true and is just the excuse du jour. I remember when it was announced that the re-records were going to be on there, and how everyone here said that the Journey fan base would completely alienate this idea, and that this would make the band the laughing stock of music. Then, when that didn't work, it was "OMG ... the Pinoys are all buying 75 copies each!!!" Listen, these guys were on Oprah, Ellen, in GQ, on the Sunday Morning show, and the story was told over and over how the disc "contained 12 new tracks and 12 re-recorded hits," so I'm going to believe that that, coupled with it saying that RIGHT ON THE PACKAGE was enough to give the consumer a clue exactly who was singing those songs.

Even more casual fans may not know the difference between re-recorded, re-mastered, or remixed. And sometimes, there isn't really THAT much of a difference. So, if I'm a casual fan of Journey, and I know the dirty dozen but outside of that, I don't know anything else, I'm going to casually look at new music in Walmart and see that Journey has this big package of two discs and one DVD for $10. I see that it has songs on it that I am familiar with, so I purchase it. What the heck? I might give this disc of new stuff a spin, but I bought it mainly to hear the hits. I guarantee you that was the marketing strategy for Revelation. Couple it with the story of Pineda and the use of DSB, and bam...success!

I might go along with this if Journey was a rap group and catered to a demographic that's generally about as smart as a fucking carburetor, but their fans and the like are able to read, and virtually nobody doles out $11.88 without checking out the fine print.

Also, consider this: I bet part of the reason, even probably a small part of the reason why the true Greatest Hits album is selling so well, is the fact that those who bought Revelation for that hits CD, went back to buy the true GH, because they wanted the originals and were disappointed that the new "package" didn't have exactly what they had hoped for.

Journey's GH has been selling like gangbusters for over 20 years. Prior to Revelation, if you combine the sales of GH, GH Live and The Essential Journey, you get sales in the area of 15 million. I'm guessing that most people that wanted GH already had it. New sales are coming in from the Glee crowd and the like. Not disenfranchised Revelation owners.

[Toph]

I don't think that's so but if it were, I don't think this band would still have it as a touring act, because the retreads are horrid, and the buyers' remorse would be enormous. Even for this die hard fan, listening to the retread disk is simply painful. The other disk though, is pretty great! If people were buying Revelations for the hits, they could have got them on the greatest hits or essential Journey where the songs sound right. Since the Greatest Hits has never stopped selling, even when Revelations was doing well, it seems that's exactly what did happen so I see no reason to think Revelations sold for the reason you say.

Lazy rock bands desperate to chart do one of two things - either re-record their own hits or record a covers album. If Revelation sold because of new material than Arrival, Generations, and Eclipse would've sold too.

The epitome of a lazy rock band - Styx. These Regeneration cover albums are ridiculous.

[Gideon]

I'm sorry but i don't understand this.
In my opinion you DO NOT move forward with a different sound when you are pickin up your pension. How much longer do you think these guys are gonna go? You stick at what the fans love you for and in this case it's the 'legacy sound'.
You don't go for a whole new thing at this stage.
Classic rock bands are still selling ok by doing what they are best at, and most do not divert from their legacy sound. If they do they fail.

I'm sorry, but I don't understand this.
Journey's interested in being creative. If a person is strictly concerned with the dirty dozen and the legacy sound, pop in Escape and quit bitching. If you don't like the new songs during the show, sit down or let your astute gaze take in the splendor of urine-splattered restrooms til the song is over.
But complaining that they put out new material and seek to spread their wings is frankly asinine. By your reckoning, they should have stopped exploring new musical dimensions back in 1973.

Lmao...
Who said i wanna hear the dirty dozen?
Who's bitching?
Who said i don't like the new songs?
Who's complaining they put new material out?
End of...

I bolded the relevant bits for you. Journey's at liberty to explore whatever new territory they want; they owe the fans nothing as regards the style of music they put out for new material.

[Gideon]

What you end up with are the fans here at MR who would buy a Journey album, regardless if it was Arnel, Soto, Augeri or Perry singing.

This is me in a nutshell. As long as it's good, I don't care who's singing.

[SultanOfSwing]

What you end up with are the fans here at MR who would buy a Journey album, regardless if it was Arnel, Soto, Augeri or Perry singing.

This is me in a nutshell. As long as it's good, I don't care who's singing.

This is what I can see MR demographically.

45% - Real Journey Fans
20% - Perry Fans
10% - Augeri Fans
10% - Soto Fans
10% - Pineda Fans
5% - Haters and Shit Stirrers

[artist4perry]

What you end up with are the fans here at MR who would buy a Journey album, regardless if it was Arnel, Soto, Augeri or Perry singing.

This is me in a nutshell. As long as it's good, I don't care who's singing.

This is what I can see MR demographically.

45% - Real Journey Fans
20% - Perry Fans
10% - Augeri Fans
10% - Soto Fans
10% - Pineda Fans
5% - Haters and Shit Stirrers

What about those of us who are both Perry and Real Journey Fans? Why does one have to be one or the other? I mean I am a true supporter of Journey, always have been. But I still love Perry's voice and would support him too. add that to your Demographics. LOL

[SultanOfSwing]

What you end up with are the fans here at MR who would buy a Journey album, regardless if it was Arnel, Soto, Augeri or Perry singing.

This is me in a nutshell. As long as it's good, I don't care who's singing.

This is what I can see MR demographically.

45% - Real Journey Fans
20% - Perry Fans
10% - Augeri Fans
10% - Soto Fans
10% - Pineda Fans
5% - Haters and Shit Stirrers

What about those of us who are both Perry and Real Journey Fans? Why does one have to be one or the other? I mean I am a true supporter of Journey, always have been. But I still love Perry's voice and would support him too. add that to your Demographics. LOL

Then you fall on Perry fans category.

[Rick]

What you end up with are the fans here at MR who would buy a Journey album, regardless if it was Arnel, Soto, Augeri or Perry singing.

This is me in a nutshell. As long as it's good, I don't care who's singing.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jKMK3XGO27k

You probably already know what it is.

[WykkedSensation]

I'm sorry but i don't understand this.
In my opinion you DO NOT move forward with a different sound when you are pickin up your pension. How much longer do you think these guys are gonna go? You stick at what the fans love you for and in this case it's the 'legacy sound'.
You don't go for a whole new thing at this stage.
Classic rock bands are still selling ok by doing what they are best at, and most do not divert from their legacy sound. If they do they fail.

I'm sorry, but I don't understand this.
Journey's interested in being creative. If a person is strictly concerned with the dirty dozen and the legacy sound, pop in Escape and quit bitching. If you don't like the new songs during the show, sit down or let your astute gaze take in the splendor of urine-splattered restrooms til the song is over.
But complaining that they put out new material and seek to spread their wings is frankly asinine. By your reckoning, they should have stopped exploring new musical dimensions back in 1973.

Lmao...
Who said i wanna hear the dirty dozen?
Who's bitching?
Who said i don't like the new songs?
Who's complaining they put new material out?
End of...

I bolded the relevant bits for you. Journey's at liberty to explore whatever new territory they want; they owe the fans nothing as regards the style of music they put out for new material.

And at the start of your 'bolded bits' i stated this..........In my opinion.........I'll say that again just for you....In my opinion, and as you probably are well aware opinions DO vary.
Now on your bike

[Gideon]

I'm sorry but i don't understand this.
In my opinion you DO NOT move forward with a different sound when you are pickin up your pension. How much longer do you think these guys are gonna go? You stick at what the fans love you for and in this case it's the 'legacy sound'.
You don't go for a whole new thing at this stage.
Classic rock bands are still selling ok by doing what they are best at, and most do not divert from their legacy sound. If they do they fail.

I'm sorry, but I don't understand this.
Journey's interested in being creative. If a person is strictly concerned with the dirty dozen and the legacy sound, pop in Escape and quit bitching. If you don't like the new songs during the show, sit down or let your astute gaze take in the splendor of urine-splattered restrooms til the song is over.
But complaining that they put out new material and seek to spread their wings is frankly asinine. By your reckoning, they should have stopped exploring new musical dimensions back in 1973.

Lmao...
Who said i wanna hear the dirty dozen?
Who's bitching?
Who said i don't like the new songs?
Who's complaining they put new material out?
End of...

I bolded the relevant bits for you. Journey's at liberty to explore whatever new territory they want; they owe the fans nothing as regards the style of music they put out for new material.

And at the start of your 'bolded bits' i stated this..........In my opinion.........I'll say that again just for you....In my opinion, and as you probably are well aware opinions DO vary.
Now on your bike

Right, which is why I said I didn't understand or agree with that point of view. It ain't rocket science, Wykked!

[Tito]

Someone isn't being played because the song sucks! Easily the worst song on the album.

[The_Noble_Cause]

Correct. The only importance that the re-records had was the element of simply being a 3rd disc in the package. Had Revelation disc 2 been 12 new songs, I think you'd have seen the same numbers.

Gotta disagree. Time and time again, new Journey material just doesn't sell. Your suggestion that Journey should sell cds at 5.99 is truly embarrassing. Is any other rock band of their pedigree resorting to such bargain-basement tactics? Heck, why doesn't Neal and Jon sell them out of the trunk of an old station wagon while they're at it? Next you'll be suggesting that the band simply give away copies at concerts. Wait. Neal tried that trick already. Generations flopped too. Revelation sold big time 'cuz it had DSB on it, and countless other HUGE songs. It's very simple. It was for this reason that the Vegas 2001 dvd sold well - despite it being delayed and then dropped onto shelves with no promo at all.

[Argus]

Someone isn't being played because the song sucks! Easily the worst song on the album.

Which song is your favorite?

[annie89509]

I'm sorry, but I don't understand this.
Journey's interested in being creative. If a person is strictly concerned with the dirty dozen and the legacy sound, pop in Escape and quit bitching. If you don't like the new songs during the show, sit down or let your astute gaze take in the splendor of urine-splattered restrooms til the song is over.
But complaining that they put out new material and seek to spread their wings is frankly asinine. By your reckoning, they should have stopped exploring new musical dimensions back in 1973.

So true...great post!!

lol...since we are on topic of who's statement is more asinine than whom, that's pretty asinine right there. We all know the band's history here. If they had stayed with the prog-rock theme back in the 70's, pretty sure there is no Journey forum to visit and no Journey music to argue about now.

[WykkedSensation]

I'm sorry but i don't understand this.
In my opinion you DO NOT move forward with a different sound when you are pickin up your pension. How much longer do you think these guys are gonna go? You stick at what the fans love you for and in this case it's the 'legacy sound'.
You don't go for a whole new thing at this stage.
Classic rock bands are still selling ok by doing what they are best at, and most do not divert from their legacy sound. If they do they fail.

I'm sorry, but I don't understand this.
Journey's interested in being creative. If a person is strictly concerned with the dirty dozen and the legacy sound, pop in Escape and quit bitching. If you don't like the new songs during the show, sit down or let your astute gaze take in the splendor of urine-splattered restrooms til the song is over.
But complaining that they put out new material and seek to spread their wings is frankly asinine. By your reckoning, they should have stopped exploring new musical dimensions back in 1973.

Lmao...
Who said i wanna hear the dirty dozen?
Who's bitching?
Who said i don't like the new songs?
Who's complaining they put new material out?
End of...

I bolded the relevant bits for you. Journey's at liberty to explore whatever new territory they want; they owe the fans nothing as regards the style of music they put out for new material.

And at the start of your 'bolded bits' i stated this..........In my opinion.........I'll say that again just for you....In my opinion, and as you probably are well aware opinions DO vary.
Now on your bike

Right, which is why I said I didn't understand or agree with that point of view. It ain't rocket science, Wykked!

Ok smart ass