With Augeri getting better...

[SilvioRodrigues]

Wasn't around theres when these Brazil clips came out, but those people definitely recognize SA as having been in Journey.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4t9eHIbd ... re=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sgLc-S61av8

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_-ehnPcJ ... re=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_ATc7urr ... re=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A2_eMeoN ... re=related

Yes we do. My first studio album I bought was Arrival and the first DVD was Vegas 2000. Also the Armageddon soundtrack sold a lot of copies here, being after I Don't Want to Miss a Thing helped Remember Me to be known.

I think that most of us recognize that each lead singer brought something to the band's legacy. It's cool to have Rolie, Steve A. and JSS doing their things. There's only one singer missing, but I don't believe that Perry would give us something mew, after so many years.

AR, did you see the videos from Journey show at Sao Paulo? It was awesome...

[Saint John]

YOU can only seem to point out the perceived wrongs any/all of Journey's past singers have done. SA seems to be the only one that most here blame for that. He is in no way the only one, but gets posted about the most for it. Gawd forbid you pull Cain or Schon out of your ass long enough to lay some blame in their backyard too...publicly, once in a while anyways.

And YOU continually post inaccurate, stupid shit. I have long been on record as saying that Neal and Jon deserve more blame than Steve Augeri. More specifically, why should he give a shit about a catalog that he had nothing to do with! That they were co-creators of that catalog and, because the majority of the in-concert songs were co-created by Schon and Cain, and that they were the remaining members that helped create that music, that they share more blame than Augeri. At the very most, he is an equal partner in what went down, as I know the idea to deceive wasn't his.

Regardless, Schon and Cain aren't "in my ass." Hell, that doesn't even make any sense. But most of your posts don't.

[Saint John]

dan, you can interpret whatever you believed happened however you want, just as i can.

Absolutely, and I'm doing so using logic and reason. You? I'm not really sure. You seem incapable of admitting that Steve did anything wrong to the fans, and I really can't fathom that. I'd be glad to hear from you what blame, if any, he carries in those less than completely live shows.

neither of us was there in the trenches.

No, but as a paying customer I think I have a right to investigate and question why the lead singer was knowingly standing on stage, purporting to sing to me, when, in fact, he wasn't. At least not all the time. But that's over now, and he's admitted that there are some decisions he wishes could've been better. It's just a shame that others seem to want to cast all of the blame on everyone ... but him.

but i am able to comment on steve augeri today and where he is at. and it's all good.

Well, I must have missed the announcement naming you his new spokesperson. Regardless, I think everyone is happy that Steve is back out on the road, of seemingly great health and is once again able to what he does very well.

whatever dan...your side, my side and somewhere, in between, the truth

Fair enough, ma'am.

[Deb]

YOU can only seem to point out the perceived wrongs any/all of Journey's past singers have done. SA seems to be the only one that most here blame for that. He is in no way the only one, but gets posted about the most for it. Gawd forbid you pull Cain or Schon out of your ass long enough to lay some blame in their backyard too...publicly, once in a while anyways.

And YOU continually post inaccurate, stupid shit. I have long been on record as saying that Neal and Jon deserve more blame than Steve Augeri. More specifically, why should he give a shit about a catalog that he had nothing to do with! That they were co-creators of that catalog and, because the majority of the in-concert songs were co-created by Schon and Cain, and that they were the remaining members that helped create that music, that they share more blame than Augeri. At the very most, he is an equal partner in what went down, as I know the idea to deceive wasn't his.

Sorry, but I don't recall ever seeing that on record, all I seem to see is you blaming one or another of Journey's singers for almost everything.

Regardless, Schon and Cain aren't "in my ass." Hell, that doesn't even make any sense. But most of your posts don't.

Grab a sense of humour Dan, it's called sarcasm. Kinda like your constant wet panty posts. And you call me stupid??

[Greg]

Yes we do. My first studio album I bought was Arrival and the first DVD was Vegas 2000. Also the Armageddon soundtrack sold a lot of copies here, being after I Don't Want to Miss a Thing helped Remember Me to be known.

I think that most of us recognize that each lead singer brought something to the band's legacy. It's cool to have Rolie, Steve A. and JSS doing their things. There's only one singer missing, but I don't believe that Perry would give us something mew, after so many years.

AR, did you see the videos from Journey show at Sao Paulo? It was awesome...

I wished more people would recognize that. Even though I am not an Arnel Pineda fan, I recognize that he has brought something to the band's legacy. Just seems like the band has tried to erase that time period between Steve Perry and Arnel Pineda.

[Saint John]

Sorry, but I don't recall ever seeing that on record, all I seem to see is you blaming one or another of Journey's singers for almost everything.

1/25/2010 http://forums.melodicrock.com/phpBB/vie ... 12#4431512

" ... I thought he held on to Augeri for far too long and that Augeri should have stepped down or been let go. That ended in an ugly fashion and there was certainly a lot of blame to go around (mainly management, Schon and Cain)."


4/25/2009 http://forums.melodicrock.com/phpBB/vie ... 69#4303469

"Well, we certainly agree here. Perry, and his decade-long fight to make sure that Journey didn't continue without him, is an A-1 prick, and Schon and Cain, because of their incredibly greedy and stupid choice to fleece fans with almost completely taped shows, have shown a propensity to think with their wallets instead of their brains."


11/14/2008 http://forums.melodicrock.com/phpBB/vie ... 05#4216105

"I just recognize the fact that Neal Schon just wants to write, record and tour. I was as critical of him as anyone else around Tapegate. As the band's senior member and basic founder of the band I put the majority of blame on him with Augeri a very close second."



Seems pretty clear to me. I've said it every year.

Grab a sense of humour Dan, it's called sarcasm. Kinda like your constant wet panty posts. And you call me stupid??

I'll "grab a sense of humor" when you actually show some. Schon and Cain "being up my ass" would mean that they kiss my ass. Now, me being up their asses would've been sarcastic and made sense. So, who's the stupid one? You lose ... again.

[Gideon]

Sorry, but I don't recall ever seeing that on record, all I seem to see is you blaming one or another of Journey's singers for almost everything.

Respectfully, this isn't the case. Dan's one of the very few people here willing and able to cast blame on both ex- and current-members of Journey for their collective bullshit, which separates him from the vast majority of other posters.

[SilvioRodrigues]

Yes we do. My first studio album I bought was Arrival and the first DVD was Vegas 2000. Also the Armageddon soundtrack sold a lot of copies here, being after I Don't Want to Miss a Thing helped Remember Me to be known.

I think that most of us recognize that each lead singer brought something to the band's legacy. It's cool to have Rolie, Steve A. and JSS doing their things. There's only one singer missing, but I don't believe that Perry would give us something mew, after so many years.

AR, did you see the videos from Journey show at Sao Paulo? It was awesome...

I wished more people would recognize that. Even though I am not an Arnel Pineda fan, I recognize that he has brought something to the band's legacy. Just seems like the band has tried to erase that time period between Steve Perry and Arnel Pineda.

It's a bad move, but for me sounds like an attempt to fit the band's timeline with the media's. Most of the press didn't do coverage or didn't care about the band when Augeri and JSS were on board...they jumped from 1998 to 2008.

[Deb]

Grab a sense of humour Dan, it's called sarcasm. Kinda like your constant wet panty posts. And you call me stupid??

I'll "grab a sense of humor" when you actually show some. Schon and Cain "being up my ass" would mean that they kiss my ass. Now, me being up their asses would've been sarcastic and made sense. So, who's the stupid one? You lose ... again.

Oh for pete's sake, you'll debate anything won't ya? It was just meant as a sarcastic joke. Seriously, does it really matter who's up who's ass? And you say the loons over-analyze the heck out of things?!

[Journey/Survivor]

It's just a shame that others seem to want to cast all of the blame on everyone ... but him.

And some want to blame him and Neal, Jonathan, Ross, Deen, Kevin Elson and Irving Azzoff, and proclaim his immediate replacement to be a saint.

[Archetype]

Jeeze you guys are brutal

Another cool idea might be to have Steve and his band open up for Journey. I really like the sound of "Home Again" and "Riverside"He could do solo material and some Tall Stories stuff

[Glenn]

dan, you can interpret whatever you believed happened however you want, just as i can.

Absolutely, and I'm doing so using logic and reason. You? I'm not really sure. You seem incapable of admitting that Steve did anything wrong to the fans, and I really can't fathom that. I'd be glad to hear from you what blame, if any, he carries in those less than completely live shows.

neither of us was there in the trenches.

No, but as a paying customer I think I have a right to investigate and question why the lead singer was knowingly standing on stage, purporting to sing to me, when, in fact, he wasn't. At least not all the time. But that's over now, and he's admitted that there are some decisions he wishes could've been better. It's just a shame that others seem to want to cast all of the blame on everyone ... but him.

but i am able to comment on steve augeri today and where he is at. and it's all good.

Well, I must have missed the announcement naming you his new spokesperson. Regardless, I think everyone is happy that Steve is back out on the road, of seemingly great health and is once again able to what he does very well.

I think she may have self appointed herself to be MR's Augeri spokesman.

[Glenn]

It's just a shame that others seem to want to cast all of the blame on everyone ... but him.

And some want to blame him and Neal, Jonathan, Ross, Deen, Kevin Elson and Irving Azzoff, and proclaim his immediate replacement to be a saint.

All five were at fault...not including management. What Dan is simply saying is that there are still a few folks left that likes to paint Augeri a "victim".


I'm glad he's doing well and playing shows! If he comes down my way, I'll be there to check it out. He's well represented on my Journey list on my iPhone.

[FamilyMan]

I floated the idea of Augeri opening for Journey here not too long ago, and I'm STILL looking for my genitals to this day.

[Glenn]

I floated the idea of Augeri opening for Journey here not too long ago, and I'm STILL looking for my genitals to this day.

LOL...No need...Bad idea? No, but I think that would work only if it was "An Evening With Journey" and him being a special guest...Not packaged in like Forigner and Night Ranger.

I remember when KISS did the Hot In the Shade tour back in 90...they asked Ace to open..but he politely declined.

[yandtguy]

Actually, what woud be cool is if he and Perry could team up for a couple gigs.
Bring Lincoln Brewster.

I know that was tongue in cheek, but Lincoln is doing fine on his own. He has carved out a nice niche for himself in the Christian market as a song writer and as a recording artist. I have enjoyed his albums, song for song, over the last 10 years more than I have Journey's albums.

Greg

[MCC620]

I think she may have self appointed herself to be MR's Augeri spokesman.

No, just been in the man's company enough outside of the "concert realm" to be able to make that observation.

[Glenn]

Actually, what woud be cool is if he and Perry could team up for a couple gigs.
Bring Lincoln Brewster.

I know that was tongue in cheek, but Lincoln is doing fine on his own. He has carved out a nice niche for himself in the Christian market as a song writer and as a recording artist. I have enjoyed his albums, song for song, over the last 10 years more than I have Journey's albums.

Greg

I have "Real Life" ... Pretty good !

[Journey/Survivor]

It's just a shame that others seem to want to cast all of the blame on everyone ... but him.

And some want to blame him and Neal, Jonathan, Ross, Deen, Kevin Elson and Irving Azzoff, and proclaim his immediate replacement to be a saint.

All five were at fault...not including management. What Dan is simply saying is that there are still a few folks left that likes to paint Augeri a "victim"..

I knew what Dan was saying. And my comment wasn't directed at him.

[RocknRoll]

Steve A is happy and enjoying life with a new band, new music and by the attendance at his shows, his fans are enjoying it too. And that speaks volumes.

Sounds like Steve A just seems happy where he's at, working on seeing his Cinci show again although it's a crappy venue!

[Deb]

It's just a shame that others seem to want to cast all of the blame on everyone ... but him.

And some want to blame him and Neal, Jonathan, Ross, Deen, Kevin Elson and Irving Azzoff, and proclaim his immediate replacement to be a saint.

All five were at fault...not including management. What Dan is simply saying is that there are still a few folks left that likes to paint Augeri a "victim".


I'm glad he's doing well and playing shows! If he comes down my way, I'll be there to check it out. He's well represented on my Journey list on my iPhone.

Agreed Glenn, all 5 had to know what was going on, all equally to blame in my books, I just recall reading MR and alot of it came down on SA at the time when it broke. Not much of a fan of the Augeri era as compared to the Perry & Soto eras (just vocal preferences) but didn't think that was all too fair. And, why.......not including management? You don't think they knew?

[Greg]

It's a bad move, but for me sounds like an attempt to fit the band's timeline with the media's. Most of the press didn't do coverage or didn't care about the band when Augeri and JSS were on board...they jumped from 1998 to 2008.

I agree. I think VH1 needs to do another Behind The Music show for Journey. Could you imagine how entertaining that would be if Augeri and JSS were legally able to tell their side of the story? Wow!

[Greg]

I floated the idea of Augeri opening for Journey here not too long ago, and I'm STILL looking for my genitals to this day.

Journey fans can be rather pissy at times!

[Glenn]

It's just a shame that others seem to want to cast all of the blame on everyone ... but him.

And some want to blame him and Neal, Jonathan, Ross, Deen, Kevin Elson and Irving Azzoff, and proclaim his immediate replacement to be a saint.

All five were at fault...not including management. What Dan is simply saying is that there are still a few folks left that likes to paint Augeri a "victim".


I'm glad he's doing well and playing shows! If he comes down my way, I'll be there to check it out. He's well represented on my Journey list on my iPhone.

Agreed Glenn, all 5 had to know what was going on, all equally to blame in my books, I just recall reading MR and alot of it came down on SA at the time when it broke. Not much of a fan of the Augeri era as compared to the Perry & Soto eras (just vocal preferences) but didn't think that was all too fair. And, why.......not including management? You don't think they knew?

Oh no...The only reason I didn't include management is because I don't know how many of that side of it knew..I'm sure most if not all....I was just keeping it simple! lol

[Saint John]

Agreed Glenn, all 5 had to know what was going on, all equally to blame in my books

Make that 6. Nostrildamus was collecting checks from those tours and deserves an equal share of the blame. When you sign on for something or, more accurately, extort an equal share, it's your responsibility to make sure you endorse and fully understand the product helping you collect checks. I guess he wasn't "protecting the legacy" as keenly as some here would like to believe. And I'd bet my last dollar that he knew exactly what was going on, as that road crew still has a lot of the same faces.

[The_Noble_Cause]

Make that 6. Nostrildamus was collecting checks from those tours and deserves an equal share of the blame. When you sign on for something or, more accurately, extort an equal share, it's your responsibility to make sure you endorse and fully understand the product helping you collect checks. I guess he wasn't "protecting the legacy" as keenly as some here would like to believe. And I'd bet my last dollar that he knew exactly what was going on, as that road crew still has a lot of the same faces.

Rumor has it that he and Sony did catch wind of it, and were none too pleased.

[Saint John]

Make that 6. Nostrildamus was collecting checks from those tours and deserves an equal share of the blame. When you sign on for something or, more accurately, extort an equal share, it's your responsibility to make sure you endorse and fully understand the product helping you collect checks. I guess he wasn't "protecting the legacy" as keenly as some here would like to believe. And I'd bet my last dollar that he knew exactly what was going on, as that road crew still has a lot of the same faces.

Rumor has it that he and Sony did catch wind of it, and were none too pleased.

Displeased enough to send the checks back? I doubt it.

[Michigan Girl]

[SilvioRodrigues]

It's a bad move, but for me sounds like an attempt to fit the band's timeline with the media's. Most of the press didn't do coverage or didn't care about the band when Augeri and JSS were on board...they jumped from 1998 to 2008.

I agree. I think VH1 needs to do another Behind The Music show for Journey. Could you imagine how entertaining that would be if Augeri and JSS were legally able to tell their side of the story? Wow!

It would be awesome!!

[marco17]

It's a bad move, but for me sounds like an attempt to fit the band's timeline with the media's. Most of the press didn't do coverage or didn't care about the band when Augeri and JSS were on board...they jumped from 1998 to 2008.

I agree. I think VH1 needs to do another Behind The Music show for Journey. Could you imagine how entertaining that would be if Augeri and JSS were legally able to tell their side of the story? Wow!

It would be awesome!!

Nice idea, but no way would this ever happen. I am sure there are some things that Augeri wishes people knew, but with all that transpired around his departure, I doubt he even wants to shed a lot of light on that, regardless to rationale or circumstances. While I am sure there are still some hurt feelings, from his comments and meeting him a couple times post-Journey, Steve always talks with respect toward the band and is very gracious about everything. Jeff on the other hand might be a different story because of what all happened there. The bottom line is part 2 to this BTM doesn't make anyone look particularly good. At least from a band perspective, the first one at showed the band in a good state, moving on with Augeri, and continuing to play music.