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Postby Gideon » Sun Apr 22, 2012 11:42 am

Don wrote:
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Don wrote:No. we are talking Journey albums.


Exactly. Those are the only albums anyone is ever talking about. :lol:


Of course. That's why Cain's statement seems even more bizarre. Why wold Jon need validation from Perry for what the band is doing today? Certain segments of the fans have asked for that but for a performer to bring that up is lame. Your fans are the one who validate you, not former band members.


Jon's comment is definitely bizarre, but I don't see it as a dig. He clearly has the [misplaced] expectation that everyone in the Journey camp, old and new members alike, should get along. Maybe Augeri's good nature has spoiled him?
'Nothing was bigger for Journey than 1981’s “Escape” album. “I have to attribute that to Jonathan coming in and joining the writing team,” Steve Perry (Feb 2012).'
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Postby tater1977 » Sun Apr 22, 2012 11:47 am

Gideon wrote:
Don wrote:Deprived of what talent,


The ability to sound like someone other than Tom Waits with strep throat. :lol:

Don wrote:Sony still sells Journey CDs don't they? As a matter of fact they sold 650,000 of them were sold last year.


Correct, Sony still sells Journey CDs, not Perry. :lol:

Don wrote:Journey is still in the top ten as far as artists plays per year on radio. Over ten million DVDs sold last year year feature music released by Journey pre-1988.
Looks like that particular gift of music is still being shared with the whole world be it in people's cars, home or whatever.


No arguments here.

Don wrote:As for Jon being a pussy, you were the one who brought out the tissue box, weren't you?


Hey, it's not my fault that a comparison with Jon ends up with Perry drowning in his own estrogen. :lol:


Pineda, a diminutive man of 44 with jet-black hair and girlishly delicate features...
:roll:
Perry's good natured bonhomie & the world’s most charmin smile,knocked fans off their feet. Sportin a black tux,gigs came alive as he swished around the stage thrillin audiences w/ charisma that instantly burnt the oxygen right out of the venue.TR.com
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Postby Gideon » Sun Apr 22, 2012 11:47 am

tater1977 wrote:
Gideon wrote:
Don wrote:Deprived of what talent,


The ability to sound like someone other than Tom Waits with strep throat. :lol:

Don wrote:Sony still sells Journey CDs don't they? As a matter of fact they sold 650,000 of them were sold last year.


Correct, Sony still sells Journey CDs, not Perry. :lol:

Don wrote:Journey is still in the top ten as far as artists plays per year on radio. Over ten million DVDs sold last year year feature music released by Journey pre-1988.
Looks like that particular gift of music is still being shared with the whole world be it in people's cars, home or whatever.


No arguments here.

Don wrote:As for Jon being a pussy, you were the one who brought out the tissue box, weren't you?


Hey, it's not my fault that a comparison with Jon ends up with Perry drowning in his own estrogen. :lol:


Pineda, a diminutive man of 44 with jet-black hair and girlishly delicate features...
:roll:


Did Jon change his last name to Pineda or do you need those tissues after all? :lol:
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Postby tater1977 » Sun Apr 22, 2012 11:49 am

Don wrote:
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Don wrote:No. we are talking Journey albums.


Exactly. Those are the only albums anyone is ever talking about. :lol:


Of course. That's why Cain's statement seems even more bizarre. Why wold Jon need validation from Perry for what the band is doing today? Certain segments of the fans have asked for that but for a performer to bring that up is lame. Your fans are the one who validate you, not former band members.[/quote]

Pretty much sums it up for me.... :D
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Postby tater1977 » Sun Apr 22, 2012 11:52 am

Gideon wrote:
tater1977 wrote:
Gideon wrote:
Don wrote:Deprived of what talent,


The ability to sound like someone other than Tom Waits with strep throat. :lol:

Don wrote:Sony still sells Journey CDs don't they? As a matter of fact they sold 650,000 of them were sold last year.


Correct, Sony still sells Journey CDs, not Perry. :lol:

Don wrote:Journey is still in the top ten as far as artists plays per year on radio. Over ten million DVDs sold last year year feature music released by Journey pre-1988.
Looks like that particular gift of music is still being shared with the whole world be it in people's cars, home or whatever.


No arguments here.

Don wrote:As for Jon being a pussy, you were the one who brought out the tissue box, weren't you?


Hey, it's not my fault that a comparison with Jon ends up with Perry drowning in his own estrogen. :lol:


Pineda, a diminutive man of 44 with jet-black hair and girlishly delicate features...
:roll:


Did Jon change his last name to Pineda or do you need those tissues after all? :lol:


I may need need those tissues....to wipe the tears of laughter from the eyes ... :lol: :lol:
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Postby Don » Sun Apr 22, 2012 11:53 am

Reading the entire article, it confirms what I thought earlier. The film STILL hasn't picked up a distributor for a wide scale release..
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Postby Gideon » Sun Apr 22, 2012 11:55 am

tater1977 wrote:I may need need those tissues....to wipe the tears of laughter from the eyes ... :lol: :lol:


Were you watching SP's performance at the post game White Sox rally? It cracks me up too. :lol:
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Postby steveo777 » Sun Apr 22, 2012 11:55 am

Don wrote:Reading the entire article, it confirms what I thought earlier. The film STILL hasn't picked up a distributor for a wide scale release..


They should just give DVDs to the fans who want it or make it available for download and call it a day.
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Postby Don » Sun Apr 22, 2012 11:58 am

some hack from the L.A. Times wrote: Pineda, a diminutive man of 44 with jet-black hair and girlishly delicate features..


Did they just describe Pineda as a Lady-boy?
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Postby tater1977 » Sun Apr 22, 2012 11:58 am

Don wrote:Reading the entire article, it confirms what I thought earlier. The film STILL hasn't picked up a distributor for a wide scale release..


Since it got some publicity now...wonder if they will put it on DVD ?
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Postby Gideon » Sun Apr 22, 2012 12:02 pm

Rip said Johnny Depp was in attendance.
Maybe he was scouting for some new movie material? :lol:
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Postby Don » Sun Apr 22, 2012 12:02 pm

tater1977 wrote:
Don wrote:Reading the entire article, it confirms what I thought earlier. The film STILL hasn't picked up a distributor for a wide scale release..


Since it got some publicity now...wonder if they will put it on DVD ?


You still need a distributor. Dedicated Journey fans showed up to see it those limited seating premieres but if you are going sell it on its own merits as documentary you need people outside the band's fanbase to come on board also.
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Postby Don » Sun Apr 22, 2012 12:04 pm

Gideon wrote:Rip said Johnny Depp was in attendance.
Maybe he was scouting for some new movie material? :lol:


Well, there have been some 'behind the hand' questions concerning Captain Jack Sparrow over the years.
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Postby tater1977 » Sun Apr 22, 2012 12:06 pm

Gideon wrote:
tater1977 wrote:I may need need those tissues....to wipe the tears of laughter from the eyes ... :lol: :lol:


Were you watching SP's performance at the post game White Sox rally? It cracks me up too. :lol:


Yea laughing at the thought of Cain wondering why he needs SP's approval
for his stuff... :lol:
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Postby RocknRoll » Sun Apr 22, 2012 12:08 pm

Don wrote:
tater1977 wrote:
Don wrote:Reading the entire article, it confirms what I thought earlier. The film STILL hasn't picked up a distributor for a wide scale release..


Since it got some publicity now...wonder if they will put it on DVD ?


You still need a distributor. Dedicated Journey fans showed up to see it those limited seating premieres but if you are going sell it on its own merits as documentary you need people outside the band's fanbase to come on board also.


Well, it's definitely not a dud and getting some pretty major press. I'm betting it gets picked up maybe by a cable channel or even somebody like HBO if not a distributor. Should be interesting. Otherwise, we'll be catching it on YouTube! :lol:
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Postby Don » Sun Apr 22, 2012 12:09 pm

If it hits Pirate Bay, I'll be sure to share.
Journey's overall Album sales seem to be doing well with or without the publicity. If the film does premiere in the next six months, it will most likely be during the down season (no tour and no album release) so maybe it can help Pineda on his solo endeavors if anything.
As a film made independent of the band, I'm not sure if it can be packaged with a Journey album unless Nomota wants to go ahead and name itself as the distributor.
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Postby brywool » Sun Apr 22, 2012 12:19 pm

Could it be that Jon invited Perry out and Perry didn't accept? That'd explain his remark.
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Postby Don » Sun Apr 22, 2012 12:31 pm

brywool wrote:Could it be that Jon invited Perry out and Perry didn't accept? That'd explain his remark.


The way that part of the article was in parentheses, may be Jon THOUGHT those particular comments would be off the record.

OR

It's pretty obvious that at least some of the band members read here on occasion. Maybe Jon thought this place had gotten a bit boring since Deano's passing and the guy simply wanted to liven things up a bit.
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Postby RocknRoll » Sun Apr 22, 2012 12:33 pm

Don wrote:If it hits Pirate Bay, I'll be sure to share.
Journey's overall Album sales seem to be doing well with or without the publicity. If the film does premiere in the next six months, it will most likely be during the down season (no tour and no album release) so maybe it can help Pineda on his solo endeavors if anything.
As a film made independent of the band, I'm not sure if it can be packaged with a Journey album unless Nomota wants to go ahead and name itself as the distributor.


I don't think the full tour is out yet, I heard it will be a late summer/fall tour.

I'm sure the producer/director are still looking for an Oscar nomination on this one and my understanding is (I think from you) that they won't qualify as an independent release if the band finances or distributes the film. You know more about this than I do! If it's a TV release I'm assuming this doesn't come into play?
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Postby RocknRoll » Sun Apr 22, 2012 12:40 pm

Don wrote:
brywool wrote:Could it be that Jon invited Perry out and Perry didn't accept? That'd explain his remark.


The way that part of the article was in parentheses, may be Jon THOUGHT those particular comments would be off the record.


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Postby Kor'n » Sun Apr 22, 2012 12:44 pm

brywool wrote:Yes, better to sit home and watch baseball than to have your story showed in a huge film premiere, and be all over the news because of it and touring the world.


That beats spending your life aping others music, having your story told as if a struggling artist is something new and having your story told while singing other artists music that you spent your life learning how to sing it just like the artist while awaiting a desperate band looking for a bonafide karoke copycat, touring around in package deals while having to dump you new crappy music that no one wants.

No one knows or cares about that premier unless you come to this board.
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Postby Don » Sun Apr 22, 2012 12:49 pm

RocknRoll wrote:
Don wrote:If it hits Pirate Bay, I'll be sure to share.
Journey's overall Album sales seem to be doing well with or without the publicity. If the film does premiere in the next six months, it will most likely be during the down season (no tour and no album release) so maybe it can help Pineda on his solo endeavors if anything.
As a film made independent of the band, I'm not sure if it can be packaged with a Journey album unless Nomota wants to go ahead and name itself as the distributor.


I don't think the full tour is out yet, I heard it will be a late summer/fall tour.

I'm sure the producer/director are still looking for an Oscar nomination on this one and my understanding is (I think from you) that they won't qualify as an independent release if the band finances or distributes the film. You know more about this than I do! If it's a TV release I'm assuming this doesn't come into play?


I think they might have gave up on the Oscar nomination. Last year they pulled their 13 minute trailer for the film because anything over ten minutes would disqualify the film for consideration. This time around all I see is the 13 minute clip so, unless Academy rules have changed, that part seems t o have been put to the wayside.

Here are the rules.

DOCUMENTARY FEATURE
Eligibility
To be eligible for 85th Academy Awards consideration, a documentary feature must complete both a seven-day commercial run in a theater in Los Angeles County, and a seven-day commercial run in a theater in the Borough of Manhattan during the eligibility period.
The eligibility period for documentary features begins on January 1, 2012, and ends on December 31, 2012. All paperwork must be completed and received by the Academy no later than 30 days after the end of the qualifying runs. For films completing their qualifying runs after August 15, 2012, all paperwork, including legal contracts, must be completed and received by the Academy by 5 p.m. PT on Monday, September 24, 2012. Those films submitting paperwork by September 24 with a planned qualifying run before the end of the calendar year, but which may not have a locked picture by the September 24 deadline, may request an extension on the DVD submission only to October 24.
Both commercial runs must take place in the same eligibility period and within two years of the motion picture’s completion date. A run in only one of the qualifying cities disqualifies a picture from Academy Awards contention in the Documentary Feature category in any year. Documentaries submitted for consideration for the 85th Academy Awards in any category will not be eligible for consideration in subsequent Awards years in any category. The picture must be submitted in the same Awards year in which it first qualifies.
The picture must be exhibited using 35mm or 70mm film, or in a 24- or 48- frame progressive scan Digital Cinema format with a minimum projector resolution of 2048 by 1080 pixels, source image format conforming to ST 428-1:2006 D-Cinema Distribution Master—Image Characteristics;
image compression (if used) conforming to ISO/IEC 15444-1 (JPEG 2000), and image and sound file formats suitable for exhibition in commercial Digital Cinema sites.
The audio in a typical Digital Cinema Package (DCP) is 5.1 channels of discrete audio and that is the preferred audio configuration, although up to 7.1 channels is acceptable. The minimum for a non-mono configuration of the audio shall be three channels as Left, Center, Right (a Left/Right configuration is not acceptable in a theatrical environment).

The audio data shall be formatted in conformance with ST 428-2:2006 D-Cinema Distribution Master – Audio Characteristics and ST 428-3:2006 D-Cinema Distribution Master Audio Channel Mapping and Channel Labeling.

Screenings during each of the qualifying runs must occur at least twice daily and must begin between noon and 10 p.m. The motion picture must be exhibited for paid admission, and must be advertised during each of its runs in at least one of these major newspapers in each city: The New York Times, Time Out New York or The Village Voice (New York); Los Angeles Times or LA Weekly (Los Angeles). The film must have a movie critic review in either The New York Times and/or Los Angeles Times. A television critic review will not be accepted. Advertisements must have minimum dimensions of one inch by two inches and must include the theater, film title and the dates and screening times of the qualifying exhibitions. Advertising must begin on the first day of the qualifying run.
Works that are essentially promotional or instructional are not eligible, nor are works that are essentially unfiltered records of performances.
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Postby Kor'n » Sun Apr 22, 2012 12:59 pm

slucero wrote:of course Jon is jealous... he hasn't had a hit since Perry left...


Gideon wrote:[True. :lol:
I bet Jon was green with envy when "I Stand Alone" set the charts ablaze.


Not as "green with envy" as Perry when Eclipse went 2x platinum as SJ had predicted. No wait, let me subtract 1,930,000. :lol:
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Postby Kor'n » Sun Apr 22, 2012 1:05 pm

quote="Don"]16 song set-list for the majority of the tour last year. Despite there being at least four dozen tunes available sans Perry's voice or contributions, at least 14 of the songs being performed each night were originally sang by Steve Perry.
Sounds like whoever puts the set-list is doing the same thing Cain accuses Perry of.

770,000 Journey album's sold in 2011. Over 650,000 of those were Perry voiced records. Hmmm...[/quote]

Gideon wrote:[None of those being from Street Talk or FTLOSM, right? :lol:


No, but so few being from anything pre or post Perry, "right?"

Perry's solo sales that are listed at RIAA are separate just like Jon and Neal's solo sales that are not listed anywhere. :lol:
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Postby RocknRoll » Sun Apr 22, 2012 1:31 pm

Kor'n wrote:quote="Don"]16 song set-list for the majority of the tour last year. Despite there being at least four dozen tunes available sans Perry's voice or contributions, at least 14 of the songs being performed each night were originally sang by Steve Perry.
Sounds like whoever puts the set-list is doing the same thing Cain accuses Perry of.

770,000 Journey album's sold in 2011. Over 650,000 of those were Perry voiced records. Hmmm...


Gideon wrote:[None of those being from Street Talk or FTLOSM, right? :lol:


No, but so few being from anything pre or post Perry, "right?"

Perry's solo sales that are listed at RIAA are separate just like Jon and Neal's solo sales that are not listed anywhere. :lol: [/guote]

The concerts I've been at Journey plays Journey songs. They play a variety of songs but mostly the songs the fans remember and they're doing it very well! Those huge throngs of fans always enjoy the concert! No surprise there!!

Sigh...such an old argument!
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Postby RocknRoll » Sun Apr 22, 2012 1:43 pm

Kor'n wrote:quote="Don"]16 song set-list for the majority of the tour last year. Despite there being at least four dozen tunes available sans Perry's voice or contributions, at least 14 of the songs being performed each night were originally sang by Steve Perry.
Sounds like whoever puts the set-list is doing the same thing Cain accuses Perry of.

770,000 Journey album's sold in 2011. Over 650,000 of those were Perry voiced records. Hmmm...


Gideon wrote:[None of those being from Street Talk or FTLOSM, right? :lol:


No, but so few being from anything pre or post Perry, "right?"

Perry's solo sales that are listed at RIAA are separate just like Jon and Neal's solo sales that are not listed anywhere. :lol:[/quote]



I guess Neal's Grammy nomination doesn't mean much? I forgot how many does Perry have?

What's wrong with the quote function?
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Postby Don » Sun Apr 22, 2012 1:48 pm

RocknRoll wrote:
Kor'n wrote:
Gideon wrote:
Don wrote:16 song set-list for the majority of the tour last year. Despite there being at least four dozen tunes available sans Perry's voice or contributions, at least 14 of the songs being performed each night were originally sang by Steve Perry.
Sounds like whoever puts the set-list is doing the same thing Cain accuses Perry of.

770,000 Journey album's sold in 2011. Over 650,000 of those were Perry voiced records. Hmmm...


[None of those being from Street Talk or FTLOSM, right? :lol:


No, but so few being from anything pre or post Perry, "right?"

Perry's solo sales that are listed at RIAA are separate just like Jon and Neal's solo sales that are not listed anywhere. :lol:




I guess Neal's Grammy nomination doesn't mean much? I forgot how many does Perry have?



What's wrong with the quote function?


One also.
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Postby RocknRoll » Sun Apr 22, 2012 1:49 pm

Don wrote:
RocknRoll wrote:
Kor'n wrote:quote="Don"]16 song set-list for the majority of the tour last year. Despite there being at least four dozen tunes available sans Perry's voice or contributions, at least 14 of the songs being performed each night were originally sang by Steve Perry.
Sounds like whoever puts the set-list is doing the same thing Cain accuses Perry of.

770,000 Journey album's sold in 2011. Over 650,000 of those were Perry voiced records. Hmmm...


Gideon wrote:[None of those being from Street Talk or FTLOSM, right? :lol:


No, but so few being from anything pre or post Perry, "right?"

Perry's solo sales that are listed at RIAA are separate just like Jon and Neal's solo sales that are not listed anywhere. :lol:




I guess Neal's Grammy nomination doesn't mean much? I forgot how many does Perry have?

For What?



What's wrong with the quote function?


One also.[/quote]

For What?
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Postby Don » Sun Apr 22, 2012 1:53 pm

RocknRoll wrote:
Don wrote:
RocknRoll wrote:
Kor'n wrote:
Gideon wrote:
Don wrote:16 song set-list for the majority of the tour last year. Despite there being at least four dozen tunes available sans Perry's voice or contributions, at least 14 of the songs being performed each night were originally sang by Steve Perry.
Sounds like whoever puts the set-list is doing the same thing Cain accuses Perry of.

770,000 Journey album's sold in 2011. Over 650,000 of those were Perry voiced records. Hmmm...


[None of those being from Street Talk or FTLOSM, right? :lol:


No, but so few being from anything pre or post Perry, "right?"

Perry's solo sales that are listed at RIAA are separate just like Jon and Neal's solo sales that are not listed anywhere. :lol:




I guess Neal's Grammy nomination doesn't mean much? I forgot how many does Perry have?



For What?



What's wrong with the quote function?


One also.


For What?

For Don't Fight It, the song he wrote and performed with Kenny Loggins and Neil Giraldo.
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Postby slucero » Sun Apr 22, 2012 1:57 pm

a nomination for a Grammy is sorta like .. "meh"

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