Stale setlists and older bands playing covers

[Gideon]

Journey did covers with Perry, who wasn't the original singer. Why they would suddenly lose their legitimacy with Arnel, who is also not their original singer, is beyond me... but then I try to apply a single standard to such things rather than frantically moving the goalpost.

That said, Journey doing covers would suck. Why? Because they have a catalog of great tunes to draw from. I don't want to hear these clowns do renditions of other bands' and artists' songs (though I love the live clip of Perry!Journey's take on "Stand By Me") when there are literally dozens of fantastic ones off their own albums.

[Don]

Journey did covers with Perry, who wasn't the original singer. Why they would suddenly lose their legitimacy with Arnel, who is also not their original singer, is beyond me... but then I try to apply a single standard to such things rather than frantically moving the goalpost.

That said, Journey doing covers would suck. Why? Because they have a catalog of great tunes to draw from. I don't want to hear these clowns do renditions of other bands' and artists' songs (though I love the live clip of Perry!Journey's take on "Stand By Me") when there are literally dozens of fantastic ones off their own albums.

Covers of classic songs or standards pre-1980 would be okay but any thing from the MTV era would be hokey karaoke. To honor performers the guys grew up listening to would be great; Four Tops, Hendrix, Zeppelin, Smokey Robinson, etc.
Covering a band like Survivor or Foreigner though, that would be garbage. Journey actually felt that Survivor was ripping off their sound. I can't imagine Neil out there imitating guitarists who he was outplaying during the 80s.

And has been said over and over again, the band has a lot of their own catalog which hasn't been touched in ages. Last but not least, they still haven't play "Anything Is Possible" live yet, a tune that was on the Adult Contemporary charts for six weeks in 2011.

[steveo777]

Journey did covers with Perry, who wasn't the original singer. Why they would suddenly lose their legitimacy with Arnel, who is also not their original singer, is beyond me... but then I try to apply a single standard to such things rather than frantically moving the goalpost.

That said, Journey doing covers would suck. Why? Because they have a catalog of great tunes to draw from. I don't want to hear these clowns do renditions of other bands' and artists' songs (though I love the live clip of Perry!Journey's take on "Stand By Me") when there are literally dozens of fantastic ones off their own albums.

Covers of classic songs or standards pre-1980 would be okay but any thing from the MTV era would be hokey karaoke. To honor performers the guys grew up listening to would be great; Four Tops, Hendrix, Zeppelin, Smokey Robinson, etc.
Covering a band like Survivor or Foreigner though, that would be garbage. Journey actually felt that Survivor was ripping off their sound. I can't imagine Neil out there imitating guitarists who he was outplaying during the 80s.

And has been said over and over again, the band has a lot of their own catalog which hasn't been touched in ages. Last but not least, they still haven't play "Anything Is Possible" live yet, a tune that was on the Adult Contemporary charts for six weeks in 2011.

I'm really surprised they haven't played AIP. It's a song that should go over well. I think they are just too convinced that any deviation from the hits will send people home. Talk about a lack of confidence! I think in an hour and 45 minutes there would be songs that people are expecting to hear that woudn't be played and that would not be good with the nostalgia crowd. Maybe the answer is no more triple bills and play longer with them as the headliner.

[slucero]

Journey did covers with Perry, who wasn't the original singer. Why they would suddenly lose their legitimacy with Arnel, who is also not their original singer, is beyond me... but then I try to apply a single standard to such things rather than frantically moving the goalpost.

That said, Journey doing covers would suck. Why? Because they have a catalog of great tunes to draw from. I don't want to hear these clowns do renditions of other bands' and artists' songs (though I love the live clip of Perry!Journey's take on "Stand By Me") when there are literally dozens of fantastic ones off their own albums.

Covers of classic songs or standards pre-1980 would be okay but any thing from the MTV era would be hokey karaoke. To honor performers the guys grew up listening to would be great; Four Tops, Hendrix, Zeppelin, Smokey Robinson, etc.
Covering a band like Survivor or Foreigner though, that would be garbage. Journey actually felt that Survivor was ripping off their sound. I can't imagine Neil out there imitating guitarists who he was outplaying during the 80s.

And has been said over and over again, the band has a lot of their own catalog which hasn't been touched in ages. Last but not least, they still haven't play "Anything Is Possible" live yet, a tune that was on the Adult Contemporary charts for six weeks in 2011.

I'm really surprised they haven't played AIP. It's a song that should go over well. I think they are just too convinced that any deviation from the hits will send people home. Talk about a lack of confidence! I think in an hour and 45 minutes there would be songs that people are expecting to hear that woudn't be played and that would not be good with the nostalgia crowd. Maybe the answer is no more triple bills and play longer with them as the headliner.

An hour and 45 minute set would destroy Arnel's voice.

[steveo777]

Journey did covers with Perry, who wasn't the original singer. Why they would suddenly lose their legitimacy with Arnel, who is also not their original singer, is beyond me... but then I try to apply a single standard to such things rather than frantically moving the goalpost.

That said, Journey doing covers would suck. Why? Because they have a catalog of great tunes to draw from. I don't want to hear these clowns do renditions of other bands' and artists' songs (though I love the live clip of Perry!Journey's take on "Stand By Me") when there are literally dozens of fantastic ones off their own albums.

Covers of classic songs or standards pre-1980 would be okay but any thing from the MTV era would be hokey karaoke. To honor performers the guys grew up listening to would be great; Four Tops, Hendrix, Zeppelin, Smokey Robinson, etc.
Covering a band like Survivor or Foreigner though, that would be garbage. Journey actually felt that Survivor was ripping off their sound. I can't imagine Neil out there imitating guitarists who he was outplaying during the 80s.

And has been said over and over again, the band has a lot of their own catalog which hasn't been touched in ages. Last but not least, they still haven't play "Anything Is Possible" live yet, a tune that was on the Adult Contemporary charts for six weeks in 2011.

I'm really surprised they haven't played AIP. It's a song that should go over well. I think they are just too convinced that any deviation from the hits will send people home. Talk about a lack of confidence! I think in an hour and 45 minutes there would be songs that people are expecting to hear that woudn't be played and that would not be good with the nostalgia crowd. Maybe the answer is no more triple bills and play longer with them as the headliner.

An hour and 45 minute set would destroy Arnel's voice.

That's why Deen sings some of the songs. At some point they need to choose between quantity or quality......or retire. 1 longer concert per week, instead of one every other day, or 2 or 3 consecutive dates. Play the larger venues and play less dates, but with longer sets. Keep in original key and provide some good sound board downloads for people who can't travel that far......like Bruce does.

[slucero]

Journey did covers with Perry, who wasn't the original singer. Why they would suddenly lose their legitimacy with Arnel, who is also not their original singer, is beyond me... but then I try to apply a single standard to such things rather than frantically moving the goalpost.

That said, Journey doing covers would suck. Why? Because they have a catalog of great tunes to draw from. I don't want to hear these clowns do renditions of other bands' and artists' songs (though I love the live clip of Perry!Journey's take on "Stand By Me") when there are literally dozens of fantastic ones off their own albums.

Covers of classic songs or standards pre-1980 would be okay but any thing from the MTV era would be hokey karaoke. To honor performers the guys grew up listening to would be great; Four Tops, Hendrix, Zeppelin, Smokey Robinson, etc.
Covering a band like Survivor or Foreigner though, that would be garbage. Journey actually felt that Survivor was ripping off their sound. I can't imagine Neil out there imitating guitarists who he was outplaying during the 80s.

And has been said over and over again, the band has a lot of their own catalog which hasn't been touched in ages. Last but not least, they still haven't play "Anything Is Possible" live yet, a tune that was on the Adult Contemporary charts for six weeks in 2011.

I'm really surprised they haven't played AIP. It's a song that should go over well. I think they are just too convinced that any deviation from the hits will send people home. Talk about a lack of confidence! I think in an hour and 45 minutes there would be songs that people are expecting to hear that woudn't be played and that would not be good with the nostalgia crowd. Maybe the answer is no more triple bills and play longer with them as the headliner.

An hour and 45 minute set would destroy Arnel's voice.

That's why Deen sings some of the songs. At some point they need to choose between quantity or quality......or retire. 1 longer concert per week, instead of one every other day, or 2 or 3 consecutive dates. Play the larger venues and play less dates, but with longer sets. Keep in original key and provide some good sound board downloads for people who can't travel that far......like Bruce does.

The simple reality is, is THIS is what Journey is.. the DD and their legacy... and by their own choice.

The economics doesn't work at 1 concert per week.. they can't afford it. And they aren't a big enough draw to get large enough guarantees from venues.

Bruce can do all of that.

[steveo777]

Arnel is probably the only one truly making "bank". He probably has his paycheck wired in and then it multiplies by 42 x in Philippine pesos. That is a hell of a lot of buying power over there, but I doubt his paycheck is "handi capped" accordingly. Can you just hear the band's payroll dept. saying Arnel, you live overseas, where expenses are lower and your money goes much further, therefore, you get paid less than the rest.

[Don]

Arnel is probably the only one truly making "bank". He probably has his paycheck wired in and then it multiplies by 42 x in Philippine pesos. That is a hell of a lot of buying power over there, but I doubt his paycheck is "handi capped" accordingly. Can you just hear the band's payroll dept. saying Arnel, you live overseas, where expenses are lower and your money goes much further, therefore, you get paid less than the rest.

Jon and Neil are really the ones "truly making bank." They have residuals coming in from over a hundred worldwide licensing agreements for different tunes from the back catalog and that doesn't even include sales royalties from said catalog.

[slucero]

Arnel is probably the only one truly making "bank". He probably has his paycheck wired in and then it multiplies by 42 x in Philippine pesos. That is a hell of a lot of buying power over there, but I doubt his paycheck is "handi capped" accordingly. Can you just hear the band's payroll dept. saying Arnel, you live overseas, where expenses are lower and your money goes much further, therefore, you get paid less than the rest.

Ya and then Arnel saying..

"... find yourself another pucking singer.."

[steveo777]

Arnel is probably the only one truly making "bank". He probably has his paycheck wired in and then it multiplies by 42 x in Philippine pesos. That is a hell of a lot of buying power over there, but I doubt his paycheck is "handi capped" accordingly. Can you just hear the band's payroll dept. saying Arnel, you live overseas, where expenses are lower and your money goes much further, therefore, you get paid less than the rest.

Jon and Neil are really the ones "truly making bank." They have residuals coming in from over a hundred worldwide licensing agreements for different tunes from the back catalog and that doesn't even include sales royalties from said catalog.

<---was only talking about the current touring, not legacy sales.

[steveo777]

Arnel is probably the only one truly making "bank". He probably has his paycheck wired in and then it multiplies by 42 x in Philippine pesos. That is a hell of a lot of buying power over there, but I doubt his paycheck is "handi capped" accordingly. Can you just hear the band's payroll dept. saying Arnel, you live overseas, where expenses are lower and your money goes much further, therefore, you get paid less than the rest.

Ya and then Arnel saying..

"... find yourself another pucking singer.."

Putang ina mo!

[Don]

Arnel is probably the only one truly making "bank". He probably has his paycheck wired in and then it multiplies by 42 x in Philippine pesos. That is a hell of a lot of buying power over there, but I doubt his paycheck is "handi capped" accordingly. Can you just hear the band's payroll dept. saying Arnel, you live overseas, where expenses are lower and your money goes much further, therefore, you get paid less than the rest.

Jon and Neil are really the ones "truly making bank." They have residuals coming in from over a hundred worldwide licensing agreements for different tunes from the back catalog and that doesn't even include sales royalties from said catalog.

<---was only talking about the current touring, not legacy sales.

Since Pineda has always said that he gets paid up front, I can't imagine what he gets paid compared to Deen but as for the other three, being members of the band since the old days, I'm sure their on the road take is more is more than Deen or Arnel's.
Hopefully, Arnel isn't getting too much nickel and dime action from his manager and hanger ons. Even though he has made quite a bit of money in Philippine standards he does have some expenses that aren't exactly cheap when he is home, like Security, medical for his family and other things; he also has to sock some of his income away as he doesn't have the lifetime royalties that Jon and Neal have. Hopefully, he has someone looking after his finances that isn't going to cheat him.
All in all, I'm sure he'll be fine when the final curtain call comes.

[Don]

Arnel is probably the only one truly making "bank". He probably has his paycheck wired in and then it multiplies by 42 x in Philippine pesos. That is a hell of a lot of buying power over there, but I doubt his paycheck is "handi capped" accordingly. Can you just hear the band's payroll dept. saying Arnel, you live overseas, where expenses are lower and your money goes much further, therefore, you get paid less than the rest.

Ya and then Arnel saying..

"... find yourself another pucking singer.."

You would think, but then you look at the setlist each show and read in the SB how Arnel really doesn't have a say in what he will be singing every night. Five years in and people still don't know the "Asian" guy's name. A guy with the power we THINK Arnel has would surely try to force his hand a little and have the band play something to help put a little of the spotlight on himself wouldn't he? Then again, maybe he has been conditioned to be subservient for so long, he can't break the habit.

[steveo777]

Arnel is probably the only one truly making "bank". He probably has his paycheck wired in and then it multiplies by 42 x in Philippine pesos. That is a hell of a lot of buying power over there, but I doubt his paycheck is "handi capped" accordingly. Can you just hear the band's payroll dept. saying Arnel, you live overseas, where expenses are lower and your money goes much further, therefore, you get paid less than the rest.

Ya and then Arnel saying..

"... find yourself another pucking singer.."

You would think, but then you look at the setlist each show and read in the SB how Arnel really doesn't have a say in what he will be singing every night. Five years in and people still don't know the "Asian" guy's name. A guy with the power we THINK Arnel has would surely try to force his hand a little and have the band play something to help put a little of the spotlight on himself wouldn't he? Then again, maybe he has been conditioned to be subservient for so long, he can't break the habit.

Maybe there is still too much daylight ahead for him to do that. Maybe when the lights dim a bit he will assert himself more. Right now, there is probably too much to lose. Besides, from where he came from, I'm sure he has a different view about his life than most might have.

[wednesday's child]

Arnel is probably the only one truly making "bank". He probably has his paycheck wired in and then it multiplies by 42 x in Philippine pesos. That is a hell of a lot of buying power over there, but I doubt his paycheck is "handi capped" accordingly. Can you just hear the band's payroll dept. saying Arnel, you live overseas, where expenses are lower and your money goes much further, therefore, you get paid less than the rest.

Ya and then Arnel saying..
"... find yourself another pucking singer.."

You would think, but then you look at the setlist each show and read in the SB how Arnel really doesn't have a say in what he will be singing every night. Five years in and people still don't know the "Asian" guy's name. A guy with the power we THINK Arnel has would surely try to force his hand a little and have the band play something to help put a little of the spotlight on himself wouldn't he? Then again, maybe he has been conditioned to be subservient for so long, he can't break the habit.

It's likely more a cultural thing, rather than something particular to 'Nel.
What is 'confidently assertive' to Americans is often 'obnoxiously pushy' to Filipinos.

[Kor'n]

Journey did covers with Perry, who wasn't the original singer. Why they would suddenly lose their legitimacy with Arnel, who is also not their original singer, is beyond me...

Forgive my saying, but that statement of yours is just down right pathetic. You always try your best to find ways to diminish Steve Perry. What does "Perry, who wasn't the original singer" has to do with the "price of butter" when he wrote, sang and created a legacy with the band that has to be insultingly aped by the present singer.... It does not matter who "the original singer" was, but what matters is "who [was] the original singer" that brought them to fame and whose voice is on all of their true platinum albums (sold about 70m), without having to insultingly mimick a singer "note for note." That is "why they would suddenly lose their legitimacy with Arnel" if they have any, because he is a bonafide karaoke copycat. If the obvious "is beyond" you, then Dr. Phil's couch should be waiting for you.

"Legitimacy" left the band when it hired its first soundalike Augeri ("must have used Scottish cloning scientist for the auditioning process" RS 1998), and since have been incapable of creating anything new that anyone other than a handful of people, like yourself, care to hear. They have been moving forward, but constantly stuck in reverse since 1998. "Journey's rennaissance is probably nearing its end, nothing new, just trying to rehash its former glories" (12/'12). Guess that's kinda closing out the year with the truth, but hopefully the legacy Perry helped created "goes on and on" even without the band hogging the road, trying to be in the spotlight. And, I don't believe anyone answered "The Calling."

but then I try to apply a single standard to such things rather than frantically moving the goalpost.

You may want to "apply" common sense. Arnel is not in the same league with Perry, for Arnel's talent seems to be centered around one thing (aka "one trick pony"). And that one thing was summed up with an "Eclipse" when the cover band thought they were moving forward. Any singer(s) that came after Steve Perry, or any other original voice in any band, that must sing the songs of the original voice (especialy methodically aping the sound) for 30+ years, should NEVER be applied to a "single standard." I believe Sammy Hagar has the same "single standard" as Roth, for Sammy created his own. There should always be accommodations or the "frantically moving the goalpost" for the creator, but NEVER for the methodical mimicator (if that's a word).

"While Archuleta is humble about his fame, he isn't afraid to talk about how excited he is about 'The Other Side of Down.' With co-writing credits throughout the album, he shows fans and even those who may be skeptical of his talent that he's more than just a voice." 2010

That said, Journey doing covers would suck. Why? Because they have a catalog of great tunes to draw from. I don't want to hear these clowns do renditions of other bands' and artists' songs (though I love the live clip of Perry!Journey's take on "Stand By Me") when there are literally dozens of fantastic ones off their own albums.

Now if the band wishes to turn more so into what it already is, cover/tribute band ("If a band sticks around long enough, it turns into a tribute band. RS 2008), may they go ahead with doing MORE covers. Let Arnel do what they touted him to do - "He slammed-dunk Survivor." "He did Steve Perry eerily close." "He made something out of nothing...' Air Supply?", with the exception of Eclipse.

When Arnel is able to garner attention by "doing" Arnel's music then the "single standard" may apply. Otherwise, Arnel should not be mentioned in the same sentence with Steve Perry. Of course, people will probably not wait on Arnel as long as they have been waiting on Steve Perry to release new music, and it's kinda obvious there should not be a wait. If one spends his life copying, supposedly stealing the almost exact sound of another, many other artists, that one better have some super mean creative skills in his arsenal or it is what it is - "SNL karaoke."

So ironic that the guy not chosen by the band helped, right from the start, write the song that the one chosen sings.

Hopefully, that will "resonate" with you.

[slucero]

[wildchild1]

No covers (other than Neal's solos)

And...not for nothing, but Heart OPENS for Journey.

HEART is going to the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame this year, and got invited to the Kennedy Center Honors to play Stairway....pretty sweet if you ask me. Nobody sings like Ann Wilson.

[STORY_TELLER]

Journey did covers with Perry, who wasn't the original singer. Why they would suddenly lose their legitimacy with Arnel, who is also not their original singer, is beyond me...

Forgive my saying, but that statement of yours is just down right pathetic. You always try your best to find ways to diminish Steve Perry. What does "Perry, who wasn't the original singer" has to do with the "price of butter" when he wrote, sang and created a legacy with the band that has to be insultingly aped by the present singer.... It does not matter who "the original singer" was, but what matters is "who [was] the original singer" that brought them to fame and whose voice is on all of their true platinum albums (sold about 70m), without having to insultingly mimick a singer "note for note." That is "why they would suddenly lose their legitimacy with Arnel" if they have any, because he is a bonafide karaoke copycat. If the obvious "is beyond" you, then Dr. Phil's couch should be waiting for you.

"Legitimacy" left the band when it hired its first soundalike Augeri ("must have used Scottish cloning scientist for the auditioning process" RS 1998), and since have been incapable of creating anything new that anyone other than a handful of people, like yourself, care to hear. They have been moving forward, but constantly stuck in reverse since 1998. "Journey's rennaissance is probably nearing its end, nothing new, just trying to rehash its former glories" (12/'12). Guess that's kinda closing out the year with the truth, but hopefully the legacy Perry helped created "goes on and on" even without the band hogging the road, trying to be in the spotlight. And, I don't believe anyone answered "The Calling."

but then I try to apply a single standard to such things rather than frantically moving the goalpost.

You may want to "apply" common sense. Arnel is not in the same league with Perry, for Arnel's talent seems to be centered around one thing (aka "one trick pony"). And that one thing was summed up with an "Eclipse" when the cover band thought they were moving forward. Any singer(s) that came after Steve Perry, or any other original voice in any band, that must sing the songs of the original voice (especialy methodically aping the sound) for 30+ years, should NEVER be applied to a "single standard." I believe Sammy Hagar has the same "single standard" as Roth, for Sammy created his own. There should always be accommodations or the "frantically moving the goalpost" for the creator, but NEVER for the methodical mimicator (if that's a word).

"While Archuleta is humble about his fame, he isn't afraid to talk about how excited he is about 'The Other Side of Down.' With co-writing credits throughout the album, he shows fans and even those who may be skeptical of his talent that he's more than just a voice." 2010

That said, Journey doing covers would suck. Why? Because they have a catalog of great tunes to draw from. I don't want to hear these clowns do renditions of other bands' and artists' songs (though I love the live clip of Perry!Journey's take on "Stand By Me") when there are literally dozens of fantastic ones off their own albums.

Now if the band wishes to turn more so into what it already is, cover/tribute band ("If a band sticks around long enough, it turns into a tribute band. RS 2008), may they go ahead with doing MORE covers. Let Arnel do what they touted him to do - "He slammed-dunk Survivor." "He did Steve Perry eerily close." "He made something out of nothing...' Air Supply?", with the exception of Eclipse.

When Arnel is able to garner attention by "doing" Arnel's music then the "single standard" may apply. Otherwise, Arnel should not be mentioned in the same sentence with Steve Perry. Of course, people will probably not wait on Arnel as long as they have been waiting on Steve Perry to release new music, and it's kinda obvious there should not be a wait. If one spends his life copying, supposedly stealing the almost exact sound of another, many other artists, that one better have some super mean creative skills in his arsenal or it is what it is - "SNL karaoke."

So ironic that the guy not chosen by the band helped, right from the start, write the song that the one chosen sings.

Hopefully, that will "resonate" with you.

You took the bait! You took the bait! BWAH HAHAHAHA

[Gideon]

Journey did covers with Perry, who wasn't the original singer. Why they would suddenly lose their legitimacy with Arnel, who is also not their original singer, is beyond me...

Forgive my saying, but that statement of yours is just down right pathetic. You always try your best to find ways to diminish Steve Perry. What does "Perry, who wasn't the original singer" has to do with the "price of butter" when he wrote, sang and created a legacy with the band that has to be insultingly aped by the present singer.... It does not matter who "the original singer" was, but what matters is "who [was] the original singer" that brought them to fame and whose voice is on all of their true platinum albums (sold about 70m), without having to insultingly mimick a singer "note for note." That is "why they would suddenly lose their legitimacy with Arnel" if they have any, because he is a bonafide karaoke copycat. If the obvious "is beyond" you, then Dr. Phil's couch should be waiting for you.

"Legitimacy" left the band when it hired its first soundalike Augeri ("must have used Scottish cloning scientist for the auditioning process" RS 1998), and since have been incapable of creating anything new that anyone other than a handful of people, like yourself, care to hear. They have been moving forward, but constantly stuck in reverse since 1998. "Journey's rennaissance is probably nearing its end, nothing new, just trying to rehash its former glories" (12/'12). Guess that's kinda closing out the year with the truth, but hopefully the legacy Perry helped created "goes on and on" even without the band hogging the road, trying to be in the spotlight. And, I don't believe anyone answered "The Calling."

but then I try to apply a single standard to such things rather than frantically moving the goalpost.

You may want to "apply" common sense. Arnel is not in the same league with Perry, for Arnel's talent seems to be centered around one thing (aka "one trick pony"). And that one thing was summed up with an "Eclipse" when the cover band thought they were moving forward. Any singer(s) that came after Steve Perry, or any other original voice in any band, that must sing the songs of the original voice (especialy methodically aping the sound) for 30+ years, should NEVER be applied to a "single standard." I believe Sammy Hagar has the same "single standard" as Roth, for Sammy created his own. There should always be accommodations or the "frantically moving the goalpost" for the creator, but NEVER for the methodical mimicator (if that's a word).

"While Archuleta is humble about his fame, he isn't afraid to talk about how excited he is about 'The Other Side of Down.' With co-writing credits throughout the album, he shows fans and even those who may be skeptical of his talent that he's more than just a voice." 2010

That said, Journey doing covers would suck. Why? Because they have a catalog of great tunes to draw from. I don't want to hear these clowns do renditions of other bands' and artists' songs (though I love the live clip of Perry!Journey's take on "Stand By Me") when there are literally dozens of fantastic ones off their own albums.

Now if the band wishes to turn more so into what it already is, cover/tribute band ("If a band sticks around long enough, it turns into a tribute band. RS 2008), may they go ahead with doing MORE covers. Let Arnel do what they touted him to do - "He slammed-dunk Survivor." "He did Steve Perry eerily close." "He made something out of nothing...' Air Supply?", with the exception of Eclipse.

When Arnel is able to garner attention by "doing" Arnel's music then the "single standard" may apply. Otherwise, Arnel should not be mentioned in the same sentence with Steve Perry. Of course, people will probably not wait on Arnel as long as they have been waiting on Steve Perry to release new music, and it's kinda obvious there should not be a wait. If one spends his life copying, supposedly stealing the almost exact sound of another, many other artists, that one better have some super mean creative skills in his arsenal or it is what it is - "SNL karaoke."

So ironic that the guy not chosen by the band helped, right from the start, write the song that the one chosen sings.

Hopefully, that will "resonate" with you.

Setting aside the glaringly obvious fact that I said nothing to "diminish" Perry (I even said I loved his rendition of "Stand By Me" during ROR), you should know that the fact that I incite such epic, earth-shattering rage and anguish within you and your fellows brings me nothing but euphoric joy and I'll gladly continue for as long as possible.

[slucero]

[Jeremey]

Since Pineda has always said that he gets paid up front, I can't imagine what he gets paid compared to Deen but as for the other three, being members of the band since the old days, I'm sure their on the road take is more is more than Deen or Arnel's.

I've seen that said numerous times, and the only thing that makes sense in that regard is that he's paid a flat salary. I have to think he gets bonuses tied into the success of the tour, but being a "full partner" in the band means that his pay is tied into splitting the profits of whatever the tours & merchandise are. So if he's getting a flat salary, say $25,000 a week or something, you can guarantee that's less than what the other guys are making...But I'm sure he's getting touring bonuses, etc. I was told to expect anywhere from another $250-$300,000 in touring bonuses aside from the salary I was offered. And they've had considerable more success on the road since 2008 than they did prior to their "comeback" in recent years, so I'm sure that number is much larger now.

This is just speculation but I'm sure the Journey "of old," ie the legacy Journey that included Perry, Cain, and Schon in a partnership is a totally different business entity than Nomota. Those guys (Cain, Perry, Schon) are getting paid from all of Journey's back catalog and licensing, etc...The Nomota partnership is strictly based on what the "new" Journey has produced.

[Kor'n]

Journey did covers with Perry, who wasn't the original singer. Why they would suddenly lose their legitimacy with Arnel, who is also not their original singer, is beyond me...

Forgive my saying, but that statement of yours is just down right pathetic. You always try your best to find ways to diminish Steve Perry. What does "Perry, who wasn't the original singer" has to do with the "price of butter" when he wrote, sang and created a legacy with the band that has to be insultingly aped by the present singer.... It does not matter who "the original singer" was, but what matters is "who [was] the original singer" that brought them to fame and whose voice is on all of their true platinum albums (sold about 70m), without having to insultingly mimick a singer "note for note." That is "why they would suddenly lose their legitimacy with Arnel" if they have any, because he is a bonafide karaoke copycat. If the obvious "is beyond" you, then Dr. Phil's couch should be waiting for you.

"Legitimacy" left the band when it hired its first soundalike Augeri ("must have used Scottish cloning scientist for the auditioning process" RS 1998), and since have been incapable of creating anything new that anyone other than a handful of people, like yourself, care to hear. They have been moving forward, but constantly stuck in reverse since 1998. "Journey's rennaissance is probably nearing its end, nothing new, just trying to rehash its former glories" (12/'12). Guess that's kinda closing out the year with the truth, but hopefully the legacy Perry helped created "goes on and on" even without the band hogging the road, trying to be in the spotlight. And, I don't believe anyone answered "The Calling."

but then I try to apply a single standard to such things rather than frantically moving the goalpost.

You may want to "apply" common sense. Arnel is not in the same league with Perry, for Arnel's talent seems to be centered around one thing (aka "one trick pony"). And that one thing was summed up with an "Eclipse" when the cover band thought they were moving forward. Any singer(s) that came after Steve Perry, or any other original voice in any band, that must sing the songs of the original voice (especialy methodically aping the sound) for 30+ years, should NEVER be applied to a "single standard." I believe Sammy Hagar has the same "single standard" as Roth, for Sammy created his own. There should always be accommodations or the "frantically moving the goalpost" for the creator, but NEVER for the methodical mimicator (if that's a word).

"While Archuleta is humble about his fame, he isn't afraid to talk about how excited he is about 'The Other Side of Down.' With co-writing credits throughout the album, he shows fans and even those who may be skeptical of his talent that he's more than just a voice." 2010

That said, Journey doing covers would suck. Why? Because they have a catalog of great tunes to draw from. I don't want to hear these clowns do renditions of other bands' and artists' songs (though I love the live clip of Perry!Journey's take on "Stand By Me") when there are literally dozens of fantastic ones off their own albums.

Now if the band wishes to turn more so into what it already is, cover/tribute band ("If a band sticks around long enough, it turns into a tribute band. RS 2008), may they go ahead with doing MORE covers. Let Arnel do what they touted him to do - "He slammed-dunk Survivor." "He did Steve Perry eerily close." "He made something out of nothing...' Air Supply?", with the exception of Eclipse.

When Arnel is able to garner attention by "doing" Arnel's music then the "single standard" may apply. Otherwise, Arnel should not be mentioned in the same sentence with Steve Perry. Of course, people will probably not wait on Arnel as long as they have been waiting on Steve Perry to release new music, and it's kinda obvious there should not be a wait. If one spends his life copying, supposedly stealing the almost exact sound of another, many other artists, that one better have some super mean creative skills in his arsenal or it is what it is - "SNL karaoke."

So ironic that the guy not chosen by the band helped, right from the start, write the song that the one chosen sings.

Hopefully, that will "resonate" with you.

Setting aside the glaringly obvious fact that I said nothing to "diminish" Perry (I even said I loved his rendition of "Stand By Me" during ROR), you should know that the fact that I incite such epic, earth-shattering rage and anguish within you and your fellows brings me nothing but euphoric joy and I'll gladly continue for as long as possible.

"Setting aside the glaringly obvious fact" that I probably read what you said and according to you, you never say anything to "diminish" Perry. "You should know that the fact that I" can resort you to a three-liner when you're actually a rattler, "brings me nothing but euphoric joy and I'll gladly continue my "earth-shattering rage and anguish" if it makes you rattle-less.

But, please "continue for as long as possible" for there is nothing better than "rattling your feathers" in giving you a "taste of your own medicine."

[Kor'n]

Journey did covers with Perry, who wasn't the original singer. Why they would suddenly lose their legitimacy with Arnel, who is also not their original singer, is beyond me...

Forgive my saying, but that statement of yours is just down right pathetic. You always try your best to find ways to diminish Steve Perry. What does "Perry, who wasn't the original singer" has to do with the "price of butter" when he wrote, sang and created a legacy with the band that has to be insultingly aped by the present singer.... It does not matter who "the original singer" was, but what matters is "who [was] the original singer" that brought them to fame and whose voice is on all of their true platinum albums (sold about 70m), without having to insultingly mimick a singer "note for note." That is "why they would suddenly lose their legitimacy with Arnel" if they have any, because he is a bonafide karaoke copycat. If the obvious "is beyond" you, then Dr. Phil's couch should be waiting for you.

"Legitimacy" left the band when it hired its first soundalike Augeri ("must have used Scottish cloning scientist for the auditioning process" RS 1998), and since have been incapable of creating anything new that anyone other than a handful of people, like yourself, care to hear. They have been moving forward, but constantly stuck in reverse since 1998. "Journey's rennaissance is probably nearing its end, nothing new, just trying to rehash its former glories" (12/'12). Guess that's kinda closing out the year with the truth, but hopefully the legacy Perry helped created "goes on and on" even without the band hogging the road, trying to be in the spotlight. And, I don't believe anyone answered "The Calling."

but then I try to apply a single standard to such things rather than frantically moving the goalpost.

You may want to "apply" common sense. Arnel is not in the same league with Perry, for Arnel's talent seems to be centered around one thing (aka "one trick pony"). And that one thing was summed up with an "Eclipse" when the cover band thought they were moving forward. Any singer(s) that came after Steve Perry, or any other original voice in any band, that must sing the songs of the original voice (especialy methodically aping the sound) for 30+ years, should NEVER be applied to a "single standard." I believe Sammy Hagar has the same "single standard" as Roth, for Sammy created his own. There should always be accommodations or the "frantically moving the goalpost" for the creator, but NEVER for the methodical mimicator (if that's a word).

"While Archuleta is humble about his fame, he isn't afraid to talk about how excited he is about 'The Other Side of Down.' With co-writing credits throughout the album, he shows fans and even those who may be skeptical of his talent that he's more than just a voice." 2010

That said, Journey doing covers would suck. Why? Because they have a catalog of great tunes to draw from. I don't want to hear these clowns do renditions of other bands' and artists' songs (though I love the live clip of Perry!Journey's take on "Stand By Me") when there are literally dozens of fantastic ones off their own albums.

Now if the band wishes to turn more so into what it already is, cover/tribute band ("If a band sticks around long enough, it turns into a tribute band. RS 2008), may they go ahead with doing MORE covers. Let Arnel do what they touted him to do - "He slammed-dunk Survivor." "He did Steve Perry eerily close." "He made something out of nothing...' Air Supply?", with the exception of Eclipse.

When Arnel is able to garner attention by "doing" Arnel's music then the "single standard" may apply. Otherwise, Arnel should not be mentioned in the same sentence with Steve Perry. Of course, people will probably not wait on Arnel as long as they have been waiting on Steve Perry to release new music, and it's kinda obvious there should not be a wait. If one spends his life copying, supposedly stealing the almost exact sound of another, many other artists, that one better have some super mean creative skills in his arsenal or it is what it is - "SNL karaoke."

So ironic that the guy not chosen by the band helped, right from the start, write the song that the one chosen sings.

Hopefully, that will "resonate" with you.

You took the bait! You took the bait! BWAH HAHAHAHA

I like fishing. "BWAH HAHAHAHA "

[STORY_TELLER]

I like fishing. "BWAH HAHAHAHA "

For the record, I agree with you. His statement was pathetic.

[Monker]

Journey did covers with Perry, who wasn't the original singer. Why they would suddenly lose their legitimacy with Arnel, who is also not their original singer, is beyond me... but then I try to apply a single standard to such things rather than frantically moving the goalpost.

That said, Journey doing covers would suck. Why? Because they have a catalog of great tunes to draw from. I don't want to hear these clowns do renditions of other bands' and artists' songs (though I love the live clip of Perry!Journey's take on "Stand By Me") when there are literally dozens of fantastic ones off their own albums.

They already did an album of covers in 1978 called the KBFH Superjam. Great stuff, too...they should release it.