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[Gideon]

Guess I missed it... how bad was it?

Very.

[ebake02]

If Arnel's voice continues to sound like that then I can see a few more canceled shows in the near future.

[Eric]

I liked it.....thought it was fun. So did the group I watched it with.

Curious what songs the broadcast missed.

Did think Separate Ways was an odd choice.

[JRNYMAN]

I liked it.....thought it was fun. So did the group I watched it with.

Curious what songs the broadcast missed.

Did think Separate Ways was an odd choice.

How many songs did they play/stream?

[JRNYMAN]

Passing the time waiting for it to air here watching a previous ep. featuring Joe Walsh & Friends.... How can you not love Joe Walsh?! It's absolutely impossible to listen to him talk and not get a smile on your face. He's just so damn funny partly due to him being completely and totally burnt out from alcohol and drugs. Besides that, he's a damn good guitarist - much better than he'll ever be given credit for. And still jamming at 66 yrs. old!

He opens with Rocky Mtn. Way and prior to playing it, he tells the story of how the song came to be. Funny story.

http://www.cmt.com/videos/cmt-crossroad ... sode.jhtml

[San Diego Gary]

A few moments aside, this was a debacle of the highest order.

Ya know, in the back of my mind I was kinda sensing that it would be. The last time Journey did something on CMT it was treacherous as was their previous performance at the Super Bowl. So it just kinda fits that the combo of the two was somehow going to be less than stellar. That's too bad...

EXACTLY what I was afraid of also.

[slucero]

watching now..

songs:


Separate Ways: Arnel sounds.... HORRIBLE... pitchy as hell.. and really straining... looks like he's having problems hearing himself.. Rascal Flats singer also had problems with the key.

Life Is A Highway: Rascal Flatts singer trades 2nd verse with Arnel... the key of the song is lower.. so they both sound much better.


At this point Arnel is singing the Rascal Flatts songs better than the Journey songs..


Fast Cars and Freedom: .. easy for both to sing.. Honestly.. for Arnel... he's very convincing on the Rascal Flatt tunes.. because it appears they are in lower keys..

Wheel In The Sky: Arnel oversinging... and his diction problem is reappearing... it appears the monitor mix was fixed.. Arnel is less pitchy... Arnel does the Perry/falsetto part in the middle during the lead section.. I'm pretty sure this is tuned down..

Bless The Broken Road: again.. easy for both to sing..


Open Arms: Tuned down a whole step.

THE OUTTRO IS FUCKING HORRIBLE. Rascal Flatts singer sounds like a howling cat. Worse yet.. Arnel can't even hit the key.. a whole step down.




What Hurts The Most: another Rascal Flatts song.. easy for them to sing.. Outrro.. howling cats and pitchy ad-lilbbing again..


Don't Stop Believing: In the original key. Arnel is having REAL problems with this key.

Outtro: Both singers are having problems with the key.



That was atrocious.


Perry has to be laughing his ass off... whilst cringing at the same time.

[JRNYMAN]

watching now..

songs:


Separate Ways: Arnel sounds.... HORRIBLE... pitchy as hell.. and really straining... looks like he's having problems hearing himself.. Rascal Flats singer also had problems with the key.

Life Is A Highway: Rascal Flatts singer trades 2nd verse with Arnel... the key of the song is lower.. so they both sound much better.


At this point Arnel is singing the Rascal Flatts songs better than the Journey songs..


Fast Cars and Freedom: .. easy for both to sing.. Honestly.. for Arnel... he's very convincing on the Rascal Flatt tunes.. because it appears they are in lower keys..

Wheel In The Sky: Arnel oversinging... and his diction problem is reappearing... it appears the monitor mix was fixed.. Arnel is less pitchy... Arnel does the Perry/falsetto part in the middle during the lead section.. I'm pretty sure this is tuned down..

Bless The Broken Road: again.. easy for both to sing..


Open Arms: Tuned down a whole step.

THE OUTTRO IS FUCKING HORRIBLE. Rascal Flatts singer sounds like a howling cat. Worse yet.. Arnel can't even hit the key.. a whole step down.




What Hurts The Most: another Rascal Flatts song.. easy for them to sing.. Outrro.. howling cats and pitchy ad-lilbbing again..


Don't Stop Believing: In the original key. Arnel is having REAL problems with this key.

Outtro: Both singers are having problems with the key.



That was atrocious.


Perry has to be laughing his ass off... whilst cringing at the same time.

Ditto to everything you stated Slucie. It's one thing to struggle with another band's material and to not be able to pull it off - and that's okay, Hell... it's not your stuff. It's completely another thing for Arnel to not be able to deliver a song he's supposed to be able to nail so convincingly accurate you'd swear Perry was on stage.
This is the worst performance I've heard to date by Arnel. If it truly was his inability to hear himself then no judgement passed. However, if what he delivered tonight was the best he's got in him at this point, then the statements Deen made about Arnel's exit being the end of the road for the band are about to manifest themselves in a big way.
Wow.... that was painful to watch/hear. I felt so bad for Arnel and found myself anticipating each semi-hi to high note and sincerely rooting for him through every song.
And the worst part of it is knowing this performance the first after a long break.

[slucero]

watching now..

songs:


Separate Ways: Arnel sounds.... HORRIBLE... pitchy as hell.. and really straining... looks like he's having problems hearing himself.. Rascal Flats singer also had problems with the key.

Life Is A Highway: Rascal Flatts singer trades 2nd verse with Arnel... the key of the song is lower.. so they both sound much better.


At this point Arnel is singing the Rascal Flatts songs better than the Journey songs..


Fast Cars and Freedom: .. easy for both to sing.. Honestly.. for Arnel... he's very convincing on the Rascal Flatt tunes.. because it appears they are in lower keys..

Wheel In The Sky: Arnel oversinging... and his diction problem is reappearing... it appears the monitor mix was fixed.. Arnel is less pitchy... Arnel does the Perry/falsetto part in the middle during the lead section.. I'm pretty sure this is tuned down..

Bless The Broken Road: again.. easy for both to sing..


Open Arms: Tuned down a whole step.

THE OUTTRO IS FUCKING HORRIBLE. Rascal Flatts singer sounds like a howling cat. Worse yet.. Arnel can't even hit the key.. a whole step down.




What Hurts The Most: another Rascal Flatts song.. easy for them to sing.. Outrro.. howling cats and pitchy ad-lilbbing again..


Don't Stop Believing: In the original key. Arnel is having REAL problems with this key.

Outtro: Both singers are having problems with the key.



That was atrocious.


Perry has to be laughing his ass off... whilst cringing at the same time.

Ditto to everything you stated Slucie. It's one thing to struggle with another band's material and to not be able to pull it off - and that's okay, Hell... it's not your stuff. It's completely another thing for Arnel to not be able to deliver a song he's supposed to be able to nail so convincingly accurate you'd swear Perry was on stage.
This is the worst performance I've heard to date by Arnel. If it truly was his inability to hear himself then no judgement passed. However, if what he delivered tonight was the best he's got in him at this point, then the statements Deen made about Arnel's exit being the end of the road for the band are about to manifest themselves in a big way.
Wow.... that was painful to watch/hear. I felt so bad for Arnel and found myself anticipating each semi-hi to high note and sincerely rooting for him through every song.
And the worst part of it is knowing this performance the first after a long break.

Even their FB page is getting blown up..

not the most jaw dropping performance to be honest guys and i love you and your music. arniel sounded like he was really struggling. give that guys voice a break

wow Just wached crossroads! Huge dissapointment with the lead singer u all have!!! he either needs a vocal coach to learn his falsetto better or you need a new lead cause wow,, that was bad.

Hopefully it was better sounding in person then on TV. They scraped the bottom of the barrel for the new lead singer of Journey. And Rascally Flatts needs to stick with country. Very disappointed.

[steveo777]

There is some good and some bad in everything. The outcome all depends on what you are looking for.

http://www.cmt.com/videos/cmt-crossroad ... sode.jhtml

[AR]

I saw some of this at the bar last night. Too hammered to have an opinion other than I despise country music.

[ebake02]

Too hammered to have an opinion other than I despise country music.

Ditto for me too. Wheel in the Sky just plain rocks live and is one of my favorites which is why I was thoroughly disgusted when they toned down the guitar solo and added fiddles and a steel guitar instead. It almost like the country music crowd can't handle dirty hard rock guitar sound.

[portland]

Guess I missed it... how bad was it?

Very.

so sorry I missed it

[Gideon]

watching now..

songs:


Separate Ways: Arnel sounds.... HORRIBLE... pitchy as hell.. and really straining... looks like he's having problems hearing himself.. Rascal Flats singer also had problems with the key.

Life Is A Highway: Rascal Flatts singer trades 2nd verse with Arnel... the key of the song is lower.. so they both sound much better.


At this point Arnel is singing the Rascal Flatts songs better than the Journey songs..


Fast Cars and Freedom: .. easy for both to sing.. Honestly.. for Arnel... he's very convincing on the Rascal Flatt tunes.. because it appears they are in lower keys..

Wheel In The Sky: Arnel oversinging... and his diction problem is reappearing... it appears the monitor mix was fixed.. Arnel is less pitchy... Arnel does the Perry/falsetto part in the middle during the lead section.. I'm pretty sure this is tuned down..

Bless The Broken Road: again.. easy for both to sing..


Open Arms: Tuned down a whole step.

THE OUTTRO IS FUCKING HORRIBLE. Rascal Flatts singer sounds like a howling cat. Worse yet.. Arnel can't even hit the key.. a whole step down.




What Hurts The Most: another Rascal Flatts song.. easy for them to sing.. Outrro.. howling cats and pitchy ad-lilbbing again..


Don't Stop Believing: In the original key. Arnel is having REAL problems with this key.

Outtro: Both singers are having problems with the key.



That was atrocious.


Perry has to be laughing his ass off... whilst cringing at the same time.

Ditto to everything you stated Slucie. It's one thing to struggle with another band's material and to not be able to pull it off - and that's okay, Hell... it's not your stuff. It's completely another thing for Arnel to not be able to deliver a song he's supposed to be able to nail so convincingly accurate you'd swear Perry was on stage.
This is the worst performance I've heard to date by Arnel. If it truly was his inability to hear himself then no judgement passed. However, if what he delivered tonight was the best he's got in him at this point, then the statements Deen made about Arnel's exit being the end of the road for the band are about to manifest themselves in a big way.
Wow.... that was painful to watch/hear. I felt so bad for Arnel and found myself anticipating each semi-hi to high note and sincerely rooting for him through every song.
And the worst part of it is knowing this performance the first after a long break.

Looks like Journey continues to be a five-man fuck up. What a dark, windy road of missed opportunities and half-assed attempts. Tragic from a group of people this phenomenally talented.

Final thoughts:
* Arnel was good on the Rascal Flatts songs. But on the songs he's actually paid to sing? Not so much.
* Gary fared little better than Arnel
* The musicianship was stellar (yes, even the fiddle solo in WITS)

3/10

[SF-Dano]

First, Open Arms was not shown on TV (if it was played at all), it was Faithfully. So I can tell how much everyone was paying attention. LOL. Also, I thought the singer of Rascal Flatts had a worse evening vocally than Arnel. Don't get me wrong, Arnel was not perfect, continues to show diction problems, and songs were tuned down. Though, I think that down tuning was more for RF singer than Arnel. Musically, I felt it was pretty good. RF guitarist is quite good and the harmonized, dual solos with Neal sounded great. Could have really done with out the steel/slide guitar during the Journey tunes, especially at the beginning of Wheel in the Sky. Have to wonder how long these two bands had to rehearse to put this together. If it was only the day, I really don't think it was all that bad. Man we have some serious perfectionists on this board.

[livin2do]

Maybe I saw a different show... I thought it was very well-done. Arnel, to me, proved once again that he can sing anything, and the country-fried version of Wheel in the Sky is ready for a new-country station playlist. It was awesome.

[Infinity Vocalist 2010]

As long as I'm spared an instance or two of Cain fellating a harmonica on WITS, I can certainly stand fiddle or steel guitar. At least Rascal Flatts is one of the few country bands to still have those traditional country staples.

[Gideon]

Man we have some serious perfectionists on this board.

Damn right.

But I'll rewatch it because I respect your judgment.

[slucero]

First, Open Arms was not shown on TV (if it was played at all), it was Faithfully. So I can tell how much everyone was paying attention. LOL. Also, I thought the singer of Rascal Flatts had a worse evening vocally than Arnel. Don't get me wrong, Arnel was not perfect, continues to show diction problems, and songs were tuned down. Though, I think that down tuning was more for RF singer than Arnel. Musically, I felt it was pretty good. RF guitarist is quite good and the harmonized, dual solos with Neal sounded great. Could have really done with out the steel/slide guitar during the Journey tunes, especially at the beginning of Wheel in the Sky. Have to wonder how long these two bands had to rehearse to put this together. If it was only the day, I really don't think it was all that bad. Man we have some serious perfectionists on this board.

yup my bad it was Faithfully.. I was writing as I was watching and cringing..


regardless.. that blew chunks.

As I said before... with all the technology there is available to them nowadays, especially in-ear monitoring and the lower stage volumes they play at .. there's in no reason for them to be off key.. Mistakes in lyrics, or forgetting a chord are normal... I've seen Neal stare knives at Augeri for little off-key changes.. this must have had his skin crawling.

This was a technical problem... but they deservedly get the blame.. because they are the ones onstage.

They have no problem doctoring up the Vegas DVD... but they let this shite out?

Please.

[Don]

First, Open Arms was not shown on TV (if it was played at all), it was Faithfully. So I can tell how much everyone was paying attention. LOL. Also, I thought the singer of Rascal Flatts had a worse evening vocally than Arnel. Don't get me wrong, Arnel was not perfect, continues to show diction problems, and songs were tuned down. Though, I think that down tuning was more for RF singer than Arnel. Musically, I felt it was pretty good. RF guitarist is quite good and the harmonized, dual solos with Neal sounded great. Could have really done with out the steel/slide guitar during the Journey tunes, especially at the beginning of Wheel in the Sky. Have to wonder how long these two bands had to rehearse to put this together. If it was only the day, I really don't think it was all that bad. Man we have some serious perfectionists on this board.

yup my bad it was Faithfully.. I was writing as I was watching and cringing..


regardless.. that blew chunks.

As I said before... with all the technology there is available to them nowadays, especially in-ear monitoring and the lower stage volumes they play at .. there's in no reason for them to be off key.. Mistakes in lyrics, or forgetting a chord are normal... I've seen Neal stare knives at Augeri for little off-key changes.. this must have had his skin crawling.

This was a technical problem... but they deservedly get the blame.. because they are the ones onstage.

They have no problem doctoring up the Vegas DVD... but they let this shite out?

Please.

It aired an hour after the performance, just not enough time to fix anything.
I think Journey is called on ONLY once a year to give 110% for their own betterment. This is simply the same case over again where some people come in at the last moment thinking they can get by on their talent alone without any preparation.
HIRED GUN. Not committed 100%, simple as that.

At least Perry had an excuse for his performance during the Graham tribute (basket case, hadn't sang in years). What's the excuse for this second Super Bowl related gaff?

Seriously, why not come out ten days earlier and hang with Jon or someone. Get comfortable with the weather, surroundings, etc. Even take some time to bounce music ideas off of each other. When you read all of the old interviews that sames to be a common theme from Rolie's time forward. Someone at someone's house, sitting around the piano or what have you just being creative. There's none of that now.

[steveo777]

CMT took the video down. It was right in there with the rest of their previous Cross Roads shows.

[tater1977]

CMT took the video down. It was right in there with the rest of their previous Cross Roads shows.

Maybe they are going to "help" it a lil..& put it back up...

[Don]

Saw this on CMT's facebook page.

"Journey's singer sounded like William Hung from American Idol a few times!"

A bit of an exagerration but it did make me laugh.

[Don]

CMT took the video down. It was right in there with the rest of their previous Cross Roads shows.

Maybe they are going to "help" it a lil..& put it back up...

That's what Old Yeller thought too when Travis took him out back.

[Gideon]

What's the excuse for this second Super Bowl related gaff?

None at all, complete lack of commitment and hubris.

At least Perry had an excuse for his performance during the Graham tribute (basket case, hadn't sang in years).

Not quite.

[Don]

What's the excuse for this second Super Bowl related gaff?

None at all, complete lack of commitment and hubris.

At least Perry had an excuse for his performance during the Graham tribute (basket case, hadn't sang in years).

Not quite.

Not quite what, a basket case? Probably a bad example anyway. The tribute wasn't a TV appearance being hawked as a showcase for the band to show its talents.

[JRNYMAN]

Saw this on CMT's facebook page.

"Journey's singer sounded like William Hung from American Idol a few times!"

A bit of an exagerration but it did make me laugh.

Dayumm! That's harsh!! but it still made me laugh too! She bang... she bang!!

CMT took the video down. It was right in there with the rest of their previous Cross Roads shows.

Maybe they are going to "help" it a lil..& put it back up...

That's what Old Yeller thought too when Travis took him out back.

Best comparison off the cuff I've heard in years!

[Ehwmatt]

First, Open Arms was not shown on TV (if it was played at all), it was Faithfully. So I can tell how much everyone was paying attention. LOL. Also, I thought the singer of Rascal Flatts had a worse evening vocally than Arnel. Don't get me wrong, Arnel was not perfect, continues to show diction problems, and songs were tuned down. Though, I think that down tuning was more for RF singer than Arnel. Musically, I felt it was pretty good. RF guitarist is quite good and the harmonized, dual solos with Neal sounded great. Could have really done with out the steel/slide guitar during the Journey tunes, especially at the beginning of Wheel in the Sky. Have to wonder how long these two bands had to rehearse to put this together. If it was only the day, I really don't think it was all that bad. Man we have some serious perfectionists on this board.

yup my bad it was Faithfully.. I was writing as I was watching and cringing..


regardless.. that blew chunks.

As I said before... with all the technology there is available to them nowadays, especially in-ear monitoring and the lower stage volumes they play at .. there's in no reason for them to be off key.. Mistakes in lyrics, or forgetting a chord are normal... I've seen Neal stare knives at Augeri for little off-key changes.. this must have had his skin crawling.

This was a technical problem... but they deservedly get the blame.. because they are the ones onstage.

They have no problem doctoring up the Vegas DVD... but they let this shite out?

Please.

It aired an hour after the performance, just not enough time to fix anything.
I think Journey is called on ONLY once a year to give 110% for their own betterment. This is simply the same case over again where some people come in at the last moment thinking they can get by on their talent alone without any preparation.
HIRED GUN. Not committed 100%, simple as that.

At least Perry had an excuse for his performance during the Graham tribute (basket case, hadn't sang in years). What's the excuse for this second Super Bowl related gaff?

Seriously, why not come out ten days earlier and hang with Jon or someone. Get comfortable with the weather, surroundings, etc. Even take some time to bounce music ideas off of each other. When you read all of the old interviews that sames to be a common theme from Rolie's time forward. Someone at someone's house, sitting around the piano or what have you just being creative. There's none of that now.

This is why I refuse to give Arnel any sympathy. He might be a nice guy singing one of the hardest catalogs out there, but he has done nothing to make things better on himself. He is flat out unprofessional. Fuck him, and fuck the festering corpse this band has become. It's such a shame how much I revile them in their current form because its made me forget how good journey's music is. Last night I listened to party's over and a few others for the first time in a while and it was great. I simp,y forget how much I enjoy the music because the band is truly embarrassing now.

[Gideon]

What's the excuse for this second Super Bowl related gaff?

None at all, complete lack of commitment and hubris.

At least Perry had an excuse for his performance during the Graham tribute (basket case, hadn't sang in years).

Not quite.

Not quite what, a basket case? Probably a bad example anyway. The tribute wasn't a TV appearance being hawked as a showcase for the band to show its talents.

Perry might not have toured, but let's not pretend Bill Graham's tribute was the first time he belted out a note. And being a basket case didn't stop him the previous 8 years with Journey.

Regardless, Perry sounded like utter shit at the tribute, but Arnel sounded worse here (on SW at least).

[tater1977]

Pros & Cons on Rascal Flatts FB....
but this was the funniest one ..


Wagner..... "Journey lead singer was horrible sounded like Peter Brady going thru puberty"