Journey at Budokan - Mar. 11, 2013

[hoagiepete]

Isn't that why some singers put the mic up so high that they have to almost stand on their toes to reach it, to open the throat? I could have sworn Stevie Nicks talked about this during her HBO special in 1981.
Of course, after 30+ years, my memory may be hazy.

Or ... Is that why Augeri used to old the mic to the side of his mouth? Always bothered me but seemed to quit doin it after a few years.

[slucero]

Nicks did that because she likes to swallow cock.. that was a secret message to her male groupies..

[Don]

the link is gone from youtube...

WOW WOW is the broadcast satellite station that simulcast the concert. They cover sports and live performances, like a Cinemax or HBO does here in the states. I believe one of Arnel's P.A.s put up the video. Apparently, WOW WOW was not thrilled about that.

[Rick]

Isn't that why some singers put the mic up so high that they have to almost stand on their toes to reach it, to open the throat? I could have sworn Stevie Nicks talked about this during her HBO special in 1981.
Of course, after 30+ years, my memory may be hazy.

Or ... Is that why Augeri used to old the mic to the side of his mouth? Always bothered me but seemed to quit doin it after a few years.

I think Augeri did for volume control. Singers will move the mic away from their mouths when they sing louder notes to keep the vocals from being too loud.

[slucero]

Isn't that why some singers put the mic up so high that they have to almost stand on their toes to reach it, to open the throat? I could have sworn Stevie Nicks talked about this during her HBO special in 1981.
Of course, after 30+ years, my memory may be hazy.

Or ... Is that why Augeri used to old the mic to the side of his mouth? Always bothered me but seemed to quit doin it after a few years.

I think Augeri did for volume control. Singers will move the mic away from their mouths when they sing louder notes to keep the vocals from being too loud.

It's called "proximity effect"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Proximity_ ... 28audio%29

The proximity effect in audio is an increase in bass or low frequency response when a sound source is close to a microphone.[1][2]

[Archetype]

So a band member posted it and it still gets yanked for copyright?

[Don]

So a band member posted it and it still gets yanked for copyright?

WOW WOW has paid for the synchronization rights to air it.

[DracIsBack]

So a band member posted it and it still gets yanked for copyright?

Crap - I was looking forward to it.

[Don]

Video is back up on Arnel's website homepage.

http://arnelpinedarocks.com/

I actually don't think it sounds too bad at all. It's more closer to Arnel's natural voice than sounding like Perry.

[Liquid_Drummer]

Yep, it is killing his voice. He is singing from the back of his throat almost through out this video. He is walking a tightrope and lets not forget this is 1/2 step lower key than the original. Most males can NOT sing this stuff in their 40's. He has the best coaches and doctors money can buy. None of that matters as aging and genetics play out their hand. He has had a good run and most bands never get a 2nd wind like Journey. I like Arnel but I never understood why they didnt find a tenor in their late to mid 20's. They had him and Jeremey to choose from . Both great sings and both too old. Jeremey paid the price singing that material and he wasnt playing near as much as the real band...

They need to call it day and stop using singers like disposable lighters.

[Don]

First person to mention Chalfant gets an arrow to the knee.

[Jeremey]

Yep, it is killing his voice. He is singing from the back of his throat almost through out this video. He is walking a tightrope and lets not forget this is 1/2 step lower key than the original. Most males can NOT sing this stuff in their 40's. He has the best coaches and doctors money can buy. None of that matters as aging and genetics play out their hand. He has had a good run and most bands never get a 2nd wind like Journey. I like Arnel but I never understood why they didnt find a tenor in their late to mid 20's. They had him and Jeremey to choose from . Both great sings and both too old. Jeremey paid the price singing that material and he wasnt playing near as much as the real band...

They need to call it day and stop using singers like disposable lighters.

2nd time I've read something similar this week (that my voice was far more likely to give out if I had to keep up with Journey's schedule).

I'm not sure if people know what I did for 4 years

From January 2010 to December 2011 we did 220 dates. Those are all I have in my archive. Between June 2008 and December 2009 I don't have an archived tour schedule, but we played just about as much as we did in 2010. Also keep in mind, my voice injury was July 2011, so the last 5 months of 2011 consisted of sporadic and cancelled dates.

I don't know for sure, but I bet if you added up the dates Journey toured from 2008-2011 and the dates Frontiers toured in the same time frame, you wouldn't be too far off (aside from factoring in that our shows were 2 hours long and we were our own roadies and chauffeurs). I'm not getting where the idea that I would have had it SO much harder had I been touring with Journey instead of having it "easy" and doing it ourselves like we did through those years.

We played a lot. But it was not the constant 2 hour shows we performed several nights a week for 4 years straight that did my voice in. It was getting an injury, then trying to sing with that injury for the next 5 months. I had "this" voice on one day, and two days later I had "this" voice. Compare a December 2010 video of Frontiers with the video of "Oh Sherrie" where I'm singing with a hemorrhaged vocal cord 4 days after being hazed by an antique fog machine and you will see the difference. I won't deny that my voice gradually changed from 2008 to 2011, but not in any sense where I simply would NOT be able to sing above a certain note any more, physiologically impossible... I got a sulcus vocalis in return for singing through those last 6 months of 2011, look it up and you'll see what I'm talking about.

Sorry...I don't post much often, but like I said, I've seen similar comments that I would have never held up to the "grueling" pace of Journey's schedule & I just wanted to give my thoughts, no offense to anyone!

[brywool]

Yep, it is killing his voice. He is singing from the back of his throat almost through out this video. He is walking a tightrope and lets not forget this is 1/2 step lower key than the original. Most males can NOT sing this stuff in their 40's. He has the best coaches and doctors money can buy. None of that matters as aging and genetics play out their hand. He has had a good run and most bands never get a 2nd wind like Journey. I like Arnel but I never understood why they didnt find a tenor in their late to mid 20's. They had him and Jeremey to choose from . Both great sings and both too old. Jeremey paid the price singing that material and he wasnt playing near as much as the real band...

They need to call it day and stop using singers like disposable lighters.

I don't agree at all. It's not "killing his voice". Man, so many here jump to conclusions like this each day. It's crazy. There's no rasp like with Perry in 83 (and after) or Augeri in his last year. Arnel's voice and chords sound fine. There's no gravel in it at all. It's smooth.
What IS WEIRD is that he's changed his whole approach to vowels. If you watch the Chile thing (his first gig), there was a much more "natural" approach to the vowels. They sounded more like speaking. In this clip, he's really darkened his vowels and closed them off in a big way. I noticed it a lot with the Rascal Flatts deal too. He sang the Rascal Flatts stuff SO WELL. When the Journey stuff happened in that show, he sang with these really REALLY darkened vowels. COMPLETELY different than the approach to the RF songs. There's gotta be a reason he's doing that. This Budokan video is one of the first times I've heard him have pitch issues (he also had them in Stone in Love in Chile), but usually, his pitch is great. Another thing, notice how in AWYWI, the mic is off partway through? Makes me wonder if Journey's sound guy is screwing him. We keep hearing reports of how bad the sound is, etc. Jeez, if it sucks in the FOH, gotta wonder what the monitor mixes are.
Also, check out some of the other videos like of Arnel and Neal at the radio station in Japan. Arnel sings AWYWI with no effort at all. Granted, it's not the big high notes, but if his voice was fu**ed, he'd be cracking all over the place.
He's fine, he's just altering his approach for some reason.
One thing about Arnel, he really does have a lot of health issues. I would imagine that if you're flying all over the world, not getting great sleep, etc., that you'll be much more susceptible to virus' and stuff. I'm not worried about him at all. Think back to the horrendous Augeri clips that you heard years ago. Arnel is nowhere near that.

[Don]

This is from the Osaka show. A much, much smaller venue (Capacity: 2,754). I know everyone is sick of this song but Madison sounds pretty good on it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=pl ... d_Ro1AXOYc

[Gideon]

This is from the Osaka show. A much, much smaller venue (Capacity: 2,754). I know everyone is sick of this song but Madison sounds pretty good on it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=pl ... d_Ro1AXOYc

Adele, for me, is proof enough that you can have the best voice in the world and still produce lackluster material. That was a good rendition bar Madison's pronunciation of "your" at the :15 mark, which was very jarring.

[AR]

Accent is virtually gone. I haven't heard anything Journey in a couple of years but got curious because I saw it was recorded for DVD. Best I've ever heard him sound as a rock vocalist. I don't look for note perfect crooning like the A.I. crowd. Originally when he joined the vocals sounded like me in high school Spanish class. It could speak it, but it was obvious I was not a native.

Now he sounds like a rock singer and delivering the song with conviction.

[FamilyMan]

Yep, it is killing his voice. He is singing from the back of his throat almost through out this video. He is walking a tightrope and lets not forget this is 1/2 step lower key than the original. Most males can NOT sing this stuff in their 40's. He has the best coaches and doctors money can buy. None of that matters as aging and genetics play out their hand. He has had a good run and most bands never get a 2nd wind like Journey. I like Arnel but I never understood why they didnt find a tenor in their late to mid 20's. They had him and Jeremey to choose from . Both great sings and both too old. Jeremey paid the price singing that material and he wasnt playing near as much as the real band...

They need to call it day and stop using singers like disposable lighters.

2nd time I've read something similar this week (that my voice was far more likely to give out if I had to keep up with Journey's schedule).

I'm not sure if people know what I did for 4 years

From January 2010 to December 2011 we did 220 dates. Those are all I have in my archive. Between June 2008 and December 2009 I don't have an archived tour schedule, but we played just about as much as we did in 2010. Also keep in mind, my voice injury was July 2011, so the last 5 months of 2011 consisted of sporadic and cancelled dates.

I don't know for sure, but I bet if you added up the dates Journey toured from 2008-2011 and the dates Frontiers toured in the same time frame, you wouldn't be too far off (aside from factoring in that our shows were 2 hours long and we were our own roadies and chauffeurs). I'm not getting where the idea that I would have had it SO much harder had I been touring with Journey instead of having it "easy" and doing it ourselves like we did through those years.

We played a lot. But it was not the constant 2 hour shows we performed several nights a week for 4 years straight that did my voice in. It was getting an injury, then trying to sing with that injury for the next 5 months. I had "this" voice on one day, and two days later I had "this" voice. Compare a December 2010 video of Frontiers with the video of "Oh Sherrie" where I'm singing with a hemorrhaged vocal cord 4 days after being hazed by an antique fog machine and you will see the difference. I won't deny that my voice gradually changed from 2008 to 2011, but not in any sense where I simply would NOT be able to sing above a certain note any more, physiologically impossible... I got a sulcus vocalis in return for singing through those last 6 months of 2011, look it up and you'll see what I'm talking about.

Sorry...I don't post much often, but like I said, I've seen similar comments that I would have never held up to the "grueling" pace of Journey's schedule & I just wanted to give my thoughts, no offense to anyone!

Touche Jeremey.

[steveo777]

Yep, it is killing his voice. He is singing from the back of his throat almost through out this video. He is walking a tightrope and lets not forget this is 1/2 step lower key than the original. Most males can NOT sing this stuff in their 40's. He has the best coaches and doctors money can buy. None of that matters as aging and genetics play out their hand. He has had a good run and most bands never get a 2nd wind like Journey. I like Arnel but I never understood why they didnt find a tenor in their late to mid 20's. They had him and Jeremey to choose from . Both great sings and both too old. Jeremey paid the price singing that material and he wasnt playing near as much as the real band...

They need to call it day and stop using singers like disposable lighters.

2nd time I've read something similar this week (that my voice was far more likely to give out if I had to keep up with Journey's schedule).

I'm not sure if people know what I did for 4 years

From January 2010 to December 2011 we did 220 dates. Those are all I have in my archive. Between June 2008 and December 2009 I don't have an archived tour schedule, but we played just about as much as we did in 2010. Also keep in mind, my voice injury was July 2011, so the last 5 months of 2011 consisted of sporadic and cancelled dates.

I don't know for sure, but I bet if you added up the dates Journey toured from 2008-2011 and the dates Frontiers toured in the same time frame, you wouldn't be too far off (aside from factoring in that our shows were 2 hours long and we were our own roadies and chauffeurs). I'm not getting where the idea that I would have had it SO much harder had I been touring with Journey instead of having it "easy" and doing it ourselves like we did through those years.

We played a lot. But it was not the constant 2 hour shows we performed several nights a week for 4 years straight that did my voice in. It was getting an injury, then trying to sing with that injury for the next 5 months. I had "this" voice on one day, and two days later I had "this" voice. Compare a December 2010 video of Frontiers with the video of "Oh Sherrie" where I'm singing with a hemorrhaged vocal cord 4 days after being hazed by an antique fog machine and you will see the difference. I won't deny that my voice gradually changed from 2008 to 2011, but not in any sense where I simply would NOT be able to sing above a certain note any more, physiologically impossible... I got a sulcus vocalis in return for singing through those last 6 months of 2011, look it up and you'll see what I'm talking about.

Sorry...I don't post much often, but like I said, I've seen similar comments that I would have never held up to the "grueling" pace of Journey's schedule & I just wanted to give my thoughts, no offense to anyone!

Guilty as charged. I shared my thoughts with you on FB. I completely didn't understand and I will not say anything like that again. I didn't understand how it was for you! I apologize, Jeremey!

[Jeremey]

Guilty as charged. I shared my thoughts with you on FB. I completely didn't understand and I will not say anything like that again. I didn't understand how it was for you! I apologize, Jeremey!

No worries Steve, I didn't think twice about your comment at the time but then like the very next day I read the same thing from LD and I thought, "wait, do people think I lost my voice from singing Journey songs a couple of days every month in a part time band??" Not a big deal, but I do think there's a parallel to the schedule we maintained and the Journey schedule, as well as the length of our shows and the work that went on behind the scenes...and that the lasting, permanent nature of my injury not be confused with just wearing my voice out over the course of a few years.

[Starrider]

First person to mention Chalfant gets an arrow to the knee.

Nice Skyrim reference.

[Don]

Wow, it really does look like this is going to come out on DVD. To me, it defies logic but what do I know.
Iron maiden has released three DVDs in the last five years (with another to be released this month) and they all have reached platinum so maybe there is a market for this (even though Live in Manila has never even been certified Gold).

[Gideon]

Wow, it really does look like this is going to come out on DVD.

Indeed?

[Archetype]

Wow, it really does look like this is going to come out on DVD. To me, it defies logic but what do I know.
Iron maiden has released three DVDs in the last five years (with another to be released this month) and they all have reached platinum so maybe there is a market for this (even though Live in Manila has never even been certified Gold).

Iron Maiden's DVDs each have a very different track listing and totally different stage themes. Also, their newer albums are thoroughly represented.

[Don]

Wow, it really does look like this is going to come out on DVD.

Indeed?

Soon, supposedly but I don't know which markets. They need to touch it up first due to sound issues (what else is new?).

Not exactly an awe inspiring setlist but some folk will buy anything so there you go.
Or it could be just for Japan, with proceeds going to the tsunami relief fund, we'll see.

Separate Ways (Worlds Apart)
Any Way You Want It
Ask The Lonely
Who's Crying Now
Only The Young
Stone In Love
Keep on Runnin'
Edge of the Blade
Faithfully
Lights
Stay Awhile
Open Arms
Just The Same Way
Escape
Dead Or Alive
Wheel In The Sky
Don't Stop Believin'
Be Good To Yourself

[Gideon]

Edge of the Blade sucked on the Manila DVD. I'm sure it will be atrocious here.

[AR]

Edge of the Blade sucked on the Manila DVD. I'm sure it will be atrocious here.

Soto did that particular song better than Perry even did.

That song needed a hard rock singer.

[Liam]

Edge of the Blade sucked on the Manila DVD. I'm sure it will be atrocious here.

Soto did that particular song better than Perry even did.

That song needed a hard rock singer.

HELL YEA!!! That certain grit did it wonders.

[Rick]

Edge of the Blade sucked on the Manila DVD. I'm sure it will be atrocious here.

Soto did that particular song better than Perry even did.

That song needed a hard rock singer.

HELL YEA!!! That certain grit did it wonders.

He did more than that one that were on par or better.

[Liquid_Drummer]

Guilty as charged. I shared my thoughts with you on FB. I completely didn't understand and I will not say anything like that again. I didn't understand how it was for you! I apologize, Jeremey!

No worries Steve, I didn't think twice about your comment at the time but then like the very next day I read the same thing from LD and I thought, "wait, do people think I lost my voice from singing Journey songs a couple of days every month in a part time band??" Not a big deal, but I do think there's a parallel to the schedule we maintained and the Journey schedule, as well as the length of our shows and the work that went on behind the scenes...and that the lasting, permanent nature of my injury not be confused with just wearing my voice out over the course of a few years.

I admit that I assumed which is easy to do given the material. I was only doing this based on the extra stress you would have had to endure being in Journey. No disrespect intended but I really thought that singing that material was what caused your issues and i had no idea that Frontiers played so much. Sadly, I never got to see you guys.. How is your voice now BTW ? I quit smoking finally and my voice has changed dramatically. My wife even said my speaking voice was higher now and it is so much easier to sing but I am a drummer 1st and sing backups mainly. I dont think I have the technique to sing a whole show on my own. What is weird for me is that I find it easier to sing Hopelessly in Love than to sing DSB or Separate Ways which to me seems odd. DSB falls over my passiago (sp) too much.

[Jeremey]

I admit that I assumed which is easy to do given the material. I was only doing this based on the extra stress you would have had to endure being in Journey. No disrespect intended but I really thought that singing that material was what caused your issues and i had no idea that Frontiers played so much. Sadly, I never got to see you guys.. How is your voice now BTW ? I quit smoking finally and my voice has changed dramatically. My wife even said my speaking voice was higher now and it is so much easier to sing but I am a drummer 1st and sing backups mainly. I dont think I have the technique to sing a whole show on my own. What is weird for me is that I find it easier to sing Hopelessly in Love than to sing DSB or Separate Ways which to me seems odd. DSB falls over my passiago (sp) too much.

Hey Mark, just saw this post...no worries!

As for my voice right now, there's that sulcus right in the certain spot on my vocal cord that will never go away, so whenever my voice goes to that register, my vocal cords collapse and the sound breaks apart. That isn't to say I can't sing, I just can't sing anything around where that sulcus is, and they are permanent. It's a result of singing through the hemorrhages that occurred during the last half of 2011 when I was still singing without taking a break after that injury. I can still sing most "normal" stuff, LOL. I can sing most of the songs I wrote on my CD...I can sing a ton of jazz and most classic rock that isn't those crazy high tenors like Perry and Brad Delp. Of course I can sing Tom Petty Mainly I've just adjusted to the fact that whatever my voice was for the first 40 years of my life is totally different now, and adapted to that.