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[PianoMan1986]

I know for some people the sound or format is a bit formulaic (stylistically and sound-wise it works for me for lack of better words), but does anyone here find themselves asking something along the lines, "Why is it these guys working for Frontiers can crank out an album reminiscent to a classic Journey album, but the writers in Journey don't choose to do so?"

I'm not disregarding Revelation (great album and a classic in my own opinion), or Eclipse for that matter (I enjoyed hearing something different for the band, but obviously they weren't as behind it as the diehards that wanted to hear the material).

[ebake02]

Soooooo.....

Neal and Arnel are guesting on this new Revolution Saints project with Deen.
Neal and Deen did "SO U" earlier in the year
Neal has another solo album - Vortex - coming out.
Neal is doing the Santana thing.


It's not hard to see who is holding Journey back from being creative.

Yeah, that damn Neal Schon.

Just kidding. Yes, it's Cain who is causing Journey to be near death now. I'm a huge fan of Jonathan. But if he's going to keep holding them back, then they should try to bring back Rolie and record a new album, and then cut way back on the Dirty Dozen on tour. I think most of us don't want another album full of ballads, and that most of us could do without hearing Faithfully for the one millionth time in concert.

I'd like to see them do an old school album myself, Infinity era old school.

[Majestic]

Soooooo.....

Neal and Arnel are guesting on this new Revolution Saints project with Deen.
Neal and Deen did "SO U" earlier in the year
Neal has another solo album - Vortex - coming out.
Neal is doing the Santana thing.


It's not hard to see who is holding Journey back from being creative.

Yeah, that damn Neal Schon.

Just kidding. Yes, it's Cain who is causing Journey to be near death now. I'm a huge fan of Jonathan. But if he's going to keep holding them back, then they should try to bring back Rolie and record a new album, and then cut way back on the Dirty Dozen on tour. I think most of us don't want another album full of ballads, and that most of us could do without hearing Faithfully for the one millionth time in concert.

I just want to hear a great album. If its full of ballads, rockers, whatever, I don't care, just so long as the songs are great. I think its true that Neal can crank out an album of good songs in a week, without even trying. He is prolific. The thing is, if someone constrains and directs him, he can do something great! That's what I would like to see happen next time.

[Brigadier]

I'd like to see them do an old school album myself, Infinity era old school.

YES! YES! YES!

[Journey/Survivor]

Anyone know when the "Revolution Saints" album is due for release?

[JourneyHard]

Journey needs to write fifty songs, and then record the best ten songs for their next CD. That way It would be great. If that Steve Perry guy ever makes a new CD, it should be out of this world because he supposedly has fifty songs written.

[Arkansas]

Journey needs to write fifty songs, and then record the best ten songs for their next CD. That way It would be great. If that Steve Perry guy ever makes a new CD, it should be out of this world because he supposedly has fifty songs written.

Perry needs to get back with Cain & Schon to go over all 50 songs.
Collaborate. Re-tool. Re-arrange. Make about 20 of them bullet-proof.
Then they've got 2 more records before riding off into the sunset.


later~

[JourneyHard]

The more I listen to Revolution Saints the more I like it.

By the way, What about a new CD with Steve Perry and Gregg Rolie?

[FamilyMan]

The more I listen to Revolution Saints the more I like it.

By the way, What about a new CD with Steve Perry and Gregg Rolie?

Please, no. I know there are a lot of Rolie fans on this board, but I always disliked his voice. At least on Journey songs (for some reason I don't mind it on the dark, mystical Santana tunes). It may just be me, but I never quite understood the decision to have Rolie and Perry "duet" on those early Journey records. Perry floors him. They were not complimentary voices at all.

[Onestepper]

The more I listen to Revolution Saints the more I like it.

By the way, What about a new CD with Steve Perry and Gregg Rolie?

Please, no. I know there are a lot of Rolie fans on this board, but I always disliked his voice. At least on Journey songs (for some reason I don't mind it on the dark, mystical Santana tunes). It may just be me, but I never quite understood the decision to have Rolie and Perry "duet" on those early Journey records. Perry floors him. They were not complimentary voices at all.

That's just your opinion. I love the Perry/Rolie stuff. I think each of them made the other better.

[Eric]

If you ever need to sell someone on Journey who think they don't like them....you start with Anytime/Feeling That Way and Just the Same Way.

"OH..THAT'S Journey!?!"

[The_Noble_Cause]

It may just be me, but I never quite understood the decision to have Rolie and Perry "duet" on those early Journey records. Perry floors him. They were not complimentary voices at all.

I never really viewed those early co-vocal songs, (or any duet, really) as a competition. Viewed that way, I guess Dolly Parton mops the floor with Kenny Rogers on "Islands in the Stream"! Of course, Perry is a better singer than Rolie. In his prime, Perry was a better singer than pretty much anybody. The Rolie/Perry songs have their place in Journey history, and I wish they had continued in that formula with some Cain/Perry songs. The Rolie/Kevin Chalfant tracks with The Storm are very Journeyish.

[FamilyMan]

It may just be me, but I never quite understood the decision to have Rolie and Perry "duet" on those early Journey records. Perry floors him. They were not complimentary voices at all.

I never really viewed those early co-vocal songs, (or any duet, really) as a competition. Viewed that way, I guess Dolly Parton mops the floor with Kenny Rogers on "Islands in the Stream"! Of course, Perry is a better singer than Rolie. In his prime, Perry was a better singer than pretty much anybody. The Rolie/Perry songs have their place in Journey history, and I wish they had continued in that formula with some Cain/Perry songs. The Rolie/Kevin Chalfant tracks with The Storm are very Journeyish.

Rather than seeing them as competitive, I guess I meant that I didn't understand the duet choice as a musical narrative. A man and woman duet (i.e. Dolly and Kenny) helps tell the tale of two lovers within the framework of the song. But in Rolie/Perry's case, I never understood the purpose. Were these two guys pining away for the same woman? Were they supposed to be the same person - speaking in two different tongues? Just found it odd. I suspect there was an element of Herbie "gently" forcing Perry on the band - and not wanting to completely alienate Rolie. So what we have are compromises in the form of duets.

[JourneyHard]

Are we sure Jonathan Cain didn't write these songs? When I listen to Revolutions Saints, it sounds like it has the same themes that Jonathan Cain writes about lately. In fact, it could be Eclipse Part Two.

[Journey/Survivor]

Are we sure Jonathan Cain didn't write these songs? When I listen to Revolutions Saints, it sounds like it has the same themes that Jonathan Cain writes about lately. In fact, it could be Eclipse Part Two.

Cain is an excellent song writer. I'm very unimpressed with the lyric writing on the Revolution Saints album.
The performances musically and vocally are excellent, though.

[Final Frontiers]

It may just be me, but I never quite understood the decision to have Rolie and Perry "duet" on those early Journey records. Perry floors him. They were not complimentary voices at all.

I never really viewed those early co-vocal songs, (or any duet, really) as a competition. Viewed that way, I guess Dolly Parton mops the floor with Kenny Rogers on "Islands in the Stream"! Of course, Perry is a better singer than Rolie. In his prime, Perry was a better singer than pretty much anybody. The Rolie/Perry songs have their place in Journey history, and I wish they had continued in that formula with some Cain/Perry songs. The Rolie/Kevin Chalfant tracks with The Storm are very Journeyish.

Rather than seeing them as competitive, I guess I meant that I didn't understand the duet choice as a musical narrative. A man and woman duet (i.e. Dolly and Kenny) helps tell the tale of two lovers within the framework of the song. But in Rolie/Perry's case, I never understood the purpose. Were these two guys pining away for the same woman? Were they supposed to be the same person - speaking in two different tongues? Just found it odd. I suspect there was an element of Herbie "gently" forcing Perry on the band - and not wanting to completely alienate Rolie. So what we have are compromises in the form of duets.

I guess it depends on the song. In "Feeling That Way", Steve is giving the girl's side of the song-
"When the summer's gone,
she'll be there, standing by the light,
once she's been to where's she's gone to,
she should know wrong from right".

It is a duet- if a woman sang Steve's part the lyric could be changed from "she" to "I'll/I've/I/I'm". I don't think the impact would be hurt at all. I'd actually like to hear someone do it.

"When the summer's gone,
I'll be there, standing by the light,
once I've been to where I'm going to,
I should know wrong from right".

As in, after she goes back packing through Europe and finds herself, she'll be ready for her relationship with Gregg.

For another completely different example of a song that wasn't written originally as a duet- there's "She Makes Me Feel Alright".
There are several slightly different live cuts that change up the lyrics and the meaning.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2jFaW9ydWK4

In this clip, Steve adds a whole new beginning- where the "She" makes "Us" feel alright (of course he also says "You make us feel alright" which could mean the audience too). This changes the meaning of the song into both of them being into the same girl and neither seem to have a problem with it since both of them are *ahem* sharing the same mike . Considering they are '60s rock stars from free loving California- yeah, calling all groupies the line for threesomes starts backstage.

Still can't understand why Gregg never rocked the mike more. He does aces here. Maybe he needed Steve's support/competition to motivate him. I don't know.

[Jeremey]

For another completely different example of a song that wasn't written originally as a duet- there's "She Makes Me Feel Alright".
There are several slightly different live cuts that change up the lyrics and the meaning.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2jFaW9ydWK4

In this clip, Steve adds a whole new beginning- where the "She" makes "Us" feel alright (of course he also says "You make us feel alright" which could mean the audience too). This changes the meaning of the song into both of them being into the same girl and neither seem to have a problem with it since both of them are *ahem* sharing the same mike . Considering they are '60s rock stars from free loving California- yeah, calling all groupies the line for threesomes starts backstage.

Still can't understand why Gregg never rocked the mike more. He does aces here. Maybe he needed Steve's support/competition to motivate him. I don't know.

He's talking about weed, man ... "she" is Mary Jane, man and she makes them feel alright.

[annie89509]

The more I listen to Revolution Saints the more I like it.

By the way, What about a new CD with Steve Perry and Gregg Rolie?

Please, no. I know there are a lot of Rolie fans on this board, but I always disliked his voice. At least on Journey songs (for some reason I don't mind it on the dark, mystical Santana tunes). It may just be me, but I never quite understood the decision to have Rolie and Perry "duet" on those early Journey records. Perry floors him. They were not complimentary voices at all.

That's just your opinion. I love the Perry/Rolie stuff. I think each of them made the other better.

I do, too. It's not necessary to have complimentary voices. Think about the We are the world song. The contrasting voices made the record great. I still love to hear that song from time to time...30 yrs later. As with all the Journey duets. And, I have always thought highly of GR's singing voice. It's very soft and sexy, to me.

[Final Frontiers]

For another completely different example of a song that wasn't written originally as a duet- there's "She Makes Me Feel Alright".
There are several slightly different live cuts that change up the lyrics and the meaning.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2jFaW9ydWK4

In this clip, Steve adds a whole new beginning- where the "She" makes "Us" feel alright (of course he also says "You make us feel alright" which could mean the audience too). This changes the meaning of the song into both of them being into the same girl and neither seem to have a problem with it since both of them are *ahem* sharing the same mike . Considering they are '60s rock stars from free loving California- yeah, calling all groupies the line for threesomes starts backstage.

Still can't understand why Gregg never rocked the mike more. He does aces here. Maybe he needed Steve's support/competition to motivate him. I don't know.

He's talking about weed, man ... "she" is Mary Jane, man and she makes them feel alright.

Really? Do we know that for sure? Considering it's early Journey and it's Gregg Rolie- probably EVERY song on their first 3 albums is about the chronic. But this isn't DSB where there's tons of people asking about the meaning- so it may be up for interpretation. Oh that Mary Jane- she sure does get around .

[JourneyHard]

In my opinion, the lyrics on Revolution Saints are good.

By the way, I thought everybody hated the lyrics on Eclipse. Jonathan Cain wrote those songs!

[Journey/Survivor]

In my opinion, the lyrics on Revolution Saints are good.

By the way, I thought everybody hated the lyrics on Eclipse. Jonathan Cain wrote those songs!

I'm not saying that they're horrible. Just that I don't think that they come close to lyrics written by guys like Jim Peterik and Jonathan Cain.

I much prefer (Most of) the lyrics on the Eclipse album over the Revolution Saints album. I love the RS album over all. But IMO the lyrics are the weakest aspect of the album.

[The_Noble_Cause]

Got the album. Two of the tracks sound VERY similar to one another. Like both tunes use the same synth track or something. I need another listen. One of those should not have been included. As others noted, I wish Jack was more of a presence and there are maybe 1 or 2 too many ballads. Otherwise, it is completely what I expected from the Frontiers AOR assembly line. Deen sounds great. I am glad the president of Frontiers has the sense to utilize his talents in a big way that Journey, so far, has really not. Generations imo should have been 1/2 SA singing and 1/2 DC singing.

[slucero]

I does bug me, thought, that Joe Perry's "Run Rudolph Run" video, in conjunction with his 4 song, Christmas EP, looks SO MUCH MORE professional than this thing.

It's not even an Aerosmith project or anything major, and he has a fantastic video.

Joe Perry has a boatload of money to put into it..

[tater1977]

Deen Castronovo - posted on his FB

https://www.facebook.com/DeenCastronovo1

Poll time! Who'd like to see Revolution Saints tour?

https://www.facebook.com/RevolutionSaints

[JourneyHard]

For the record, Gregg Rolie has a great voice. He isn't trying to be Steve Perry; nor should he. His voice is a legitimate voice. As much as I love Steve Perry, if everybody sounded like him, this would be a boring world.

[Abitaman]

I have had this release since the day it came out, and I put it in my top 3 cds of the year (so far). Really wish Deen would have took over lead vocals after Steve left.

[Final Frontiers]

Has anybody from Revolution Saints or the record company said anything about Deen yet? Weren't they supposed to tour? Have they disbanded? I know this must suck for them with a new band and a new album. Who could replace Deen on lead vocals and drums? I know the album didn't top any charts except Freegal's but still, somebody thought it was worth it.

[The_Noble_Cause]

Has anybody from Revolution Saints or the record company said anything about Deen yet? Weren't they supposed to tour? Have they disbanded? I know this must suck for them with a new band and a new album. Who could replace Deen on lead vocals and drums? I know the album didn't top any charts except Freegal's but still, somebody thought it was worth it.

Was there ever a serious expectation of Rev Saints touring? All of these in-house Frontiers projects talk about touring plans that never materialize. The only one I can recall is WET, and they played less than a handful of dates. Maybe I'm wrong.

[Journey/Survivor]

It's possible that if it had not been for the charges against Castronovo, maybe Revolution Saints would have at some point done a small tour? But I can't see Jack Blades caring all that much if they tour. Especially not without Castronovo.

[Majestic]

I have had this release since the day it came out, and I put it in my top 3 cds of the year (so far). Really wish Deen would have took over lead vocals after Steve left.

Which Steve, Perry or Augeri?

I wish Deen would have been the vocalist when they started without Perry. Nothing against the others, but Deen has a really special voice.