Grand jury indicts Journey drummer Deen Castronovo on rape c

[Jana]

This is getting worse than I imagined. It's sad to see how Deen's life has spiraled. He needs to go back into treatment. Sadly, I think he's out of Journey for good. I bet Jonathan Cain is putting his foot down on this as far as not wanting him brought back no matter what, because he's married to a pastor of a big church.

[Journey/Survivor]

I bet Jonathan Cain is putting his foot down on this as far as not wanting him brought back no matter what, because he's married to a pastor of a big church.

I had the exact same thought.

But if that's the case, Cain shouldn't throw stones.

[perryswoman]

I so agree. He won't be back regardless of the outcome and I am sad about it for sure.

[Navarro]

With all these charges, I doubt very seriously, even with a good plea, he will escape jail time. I sure hope I'm wrong but I don't think I am.

You would be surprised. My wife works with victims of sexual abuse and domestic violence. For a variety of reasons, perpetrators many times 'plea out' with little to no jail time and an extended probation. Of course, if they plea no contest to a sexual crime, usually they end up on the sex offender registry. I was surprised when my wife explained this to me. I think most people think DV and srx offenders have the book thrown at them. This is more often than not the case.

[Navarro]

This is getting worse than I imagined. It's sad to see how Deen's life has spiraled. He needs to go back into treatment. Sadly, I think he's out of Journey for good. I bet Jonathan Cain is putting his foot down on this as far as not wanting him brought back no matter what, because he's married to a pastor of a big church.

Ironically enough, the old testament has several verses essentially endorsing rape and sex slaves. Check out Leviticus, Judges, and Deuteronomy. Of course, most Christians chalk it up to life in bronze age being brutal. You be the judge...

[perryfan61]

This is getting worse than I imagined. It's sad to see how Deen's life has spiraled. He needs to go back into treatment. Sadly, I think he's out of Journey for good. I bet Jonathan Cain is putting his foot down on this as far as not wanting him brought back no matter what, because he's married to a pastor of a big church.

Ironically enough, the old testament has several verses essentially endorsing rape and sex slaves. Check out Leviticus, Judges, and Deuteronomy. Of course, most Christians chalk it up to life in bronze age being brutal. You be the judge...

Deuteronomy 22: 23-27 describes the punishment for rape. Hardly an endorsement.

[tater1977]

Drummer Deen Castronovo arraigned on new charges in domestic incident

Alisha Roemeling, Statesman Journal
June 30, 2015

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Drummer Deen Castronovo was arraigned Tuesday, on several charges, including rape and sexual assault, in connection with an alleged domestic violence incident on June 14.

Castronovo, 50, appeared in a suicide smock at the Marion County Courthouse Annex where he was formally charged with five counts of fourth-degree assault, one count of first-degree rape, two counts of menacing, one count of unlawful use of a weapon, one count of second-degree assault, one count of second-degree sex abuse, one count of coercion, one count of second-degree criminal mischief, and three counts of contempt of court, according to the indictment.

Court documents indicate Castronovo, who is the drummer for the rock band Journey, was arrested on a grand jury indictment Monday in Salem. The indictment indicates the alleged abuse took place between April 25, 2015, and June 29, 2015.

Castronovo was initially arrested June 14 after police say he physically injured a woman. In that incident, according to court documents, he was arrested by Salem police officers following a dispute that was described as constituting domestic violence.

He was originally charged with fourth-degree assault and menacing. Marion County Circuit Judge Channing Bennett set bail at $20,000. Castronovo posted bail and was released. He also was ordered to have no contact with the victim.

According to Deputy District Attorney Jennifer Gardiner, Castronovo sent 122 text messages to the victim since his release June 15. He also called the victim 35 times according to Gardiner.

"The texts ranged from threats to kill himself, that she hates him, that he hates her," Gardiner said. "They were sorrowful and vengeful — several also said he wanted to see her suffer for what 'she has done,' to him."

Gardiner said if bail was set he would violate his release agreement again.

"He will disregard the court order," Gardiner said. "His continued threats and contact presents a risk to be released."

At the arraignment Tuesday, Marion County Circuit Judge Audrey Broyles ordered that no bail be as she said he was a threat to the victim.

.... Castronovo is set to appear before Judge Channing Bennett at 10:30 a.m. July 1 at the Marion County Courthouse Annex at 4000 Aumsville Hwy SE.

[Jana]

Wow. No words.

[JohnH]

It's so bad there's not even a publicist or lawyer issuing the standard denials and all a misunderstanding BS.

[slucero]

Play stupid games, win stupid prizes.

[inaweofschon]

What exactly is a suicide smock?

[Navarro]

This is getting worse than I imagined. It's sad to see how Deen's life has spiraled. He needs to go back into treatment. Sadly, I think he's out of Journey for good. I bet Jonathan Cain is putting his foot down on this as far as not wanting him brought back no matter what, because he's married to a pastor of a big church.

Ironically enough, the old testament has several verses essentially endorsing rape and sex slaves. Check out Leviticus, Judges, and Deuteronomy. Of course, most Christians chalk it up to life in bronze age being brutal. You be the judge...

Deuteronomy 22: 23-27 describes the punishment for rape. Hardly an endorsement.

Deuteronomy 21:10-14 Forcible sex/rape and sex slavery


"When you go out to war against your enemies and the LORD, your God, delivers them into your hand, so that you take captives, if you see a comely woman among the captives and become so enamored of her that you wish to have her as wife, you may take her home to your house. But before she may live there, she must shave her head and pare her nails and lay aside her captive's garb. After she has mourned her father and mother for a full month, you may have relations with her, and you shall be her husband and she shall be your wife. However, if later on you lose your liking for her, you shall give her her freedom, if she wishes it; but you shall not sell her or enslave her, since she was married to you under compulsion."

Deuteronomy 22:28-29 The rape victim is forced to marry her attacker as punishment to the attacker. Quite vile, eh.

If a man is caught in the act of raping a young woman who is not engaged, he must pay fifty pieces of silver to her father. Then he must marry the young woman because he violated her, and he will never be allowed to divorce her.

[The_Noble_Cause]

What exactly is a suicide smock?

According to Wiki..."An anti-suicide smock, Ferguson, turtle suit, or suicide gown is a tear-resistant single-piece outer garment that is generally used to prevent a hospitalized, incarcerated, or otherwise detained individual from forming a noose with the garment to commit suicide."

Deen, like Augeri and Arnel, seemed genuinely grateful and ecstatic to be in the band. How did we end up here? Revolution Saints just became an unofficial farewell album.

[Memorex]

The only circumstances in which Deen should be permanently replaced as Journey's drummer are if he's found guilty of rape. Or if Journey were already trying to get Steve Smith back in the band (Which was being reported by some) before this latest arrest.

He should not be replaced simply because it doesn't look good for the band, even though he was found not guilty.

This is a short-sighted view. These kinds of things can be very destructive. I don't think rape should be the bar. This is a band that prides itself on playing to kids as well as senior citizens. and a LOT of women. If it was only drugs, I can see a little rallying unless it became a problem over and over. But we are talking about violence and harassment against women. That would not play well with Journey's audience. And if you think Journey is going to sit back and let one person eat away at the success they have built over the last many years, you are crazy. They stood by him the first time, but this is too much, in my opinion. No one wants to see Journey become the poster band for supporting this kind of behavior and giving voice to some movement/boycott. They went from barely filling 2500 seat places in 98 to being one of the biggest touring acts today. No way they let that crumble. Nor should they.

[perryfan61]

What exactly is a suicide smock?

According to Wiki..."An anti-suicide smock, Ferguson, turtle suit, or suicide gown is a tear-resistant single-piece outer garment that is generally used to prevent a hospitalized, incarcerated, or otherwise detained individual from forming a noose with the garment to commit suicide."

Deen, like Augeri and Arnel, seemed genuinely grateful and ecstatic to be in the band. How did we end up here? Revolution Saints just became an unofficial farewell album.

I think we end up here because there is life outside the band, and that's the part Deen seems to have trouble with.

[ebake02]

I'm kinda suspicious of this one, this went from a simple domestic dispute to something far more sinister kinda out of nowhere, and in a hurry too.

[SF-Dano]

To be an employee of NOMOTA you have two basic responsibilities: show up to work on time and don't damage the brand. Right now, Journey has three options.

1) Get Omar to clear his schedule
2) Convince Steve Smith to rejoin
3) Teach Andy Avery how to play drums

I feel like bringing/begging back the classic era drummer would be the best fix for all issues.

If Omar isn't able to commit full-time, I really doubt if Smith would come back full-time. I can't see him giving up his passion of playing jazz, touring the world, playing with world class musicians and teaching clinics to play the dirty dozen night after night. Yes, money talks...but I just don't see him going back at this point. Even if he does some guest appearances, you need a full time drummer in the band to keep everyone else tight. The drum seat shouldn't be a revolving one. There are plenty of talented drummers out there whom I am sure would do backflips and head stands to win that seat.

What are Aynsley Dunbar and Prairie Prince up to these days?
Virgil Donati? Muggs? ( Mike Baird-- no, not serious on this one )
Terry Bozzio? Michael Shrieve? Lots of old names here, simply because I can't think of younger guys who would fit here.

[brywool]

What are Aynsley Dunbar and Prairie Prince up to these days?
Virgil Donati? Muggs? ( Mike Baird-- no, not serious on this one )
Terry Bozzio? Michael Shrieve? Lots of old names here, simply because I can't think of younger guys who would fit here.

Wasn't one of the reasons for Ainsley's dismissal because he had a penchant for REALLY young girls? As I google that, yes, that was found quite quickly. Not the best guy to have after Deen. On Deen's deal, he was arrested initially, then told to not have contact. After that, he supposedly sent 122 text messages and left 35 messages or something- some of them threatening. So this is not looking good for him. SUCKS. I liked Deen.

[tater1977]

Alisha Roemeling ‏@alisharoemeling · 47m47 minutes ago  Salem, OR
Deen Castronovo reportedly taken to Salem Hospital for methamphetamine overdose before arrest June 14 according to attorney #sjnow #SalemOR

Statesman Journal

12:42 PM - 1 Jul 2015 ·

[tater1977]

Journey drummer Deen Castronovo indicted on counts of rape, sexual assault

Posted: Jun 30, 2015 3:36 PM CDT


By FOX 12 Staff


-short vid of DC in court

http://www.hawaiinewsnow.com/story/2944 ... cU.twitter

[JBlake]

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WTF? He doesn't look well in that picture. Either drugs and/or health issues are going on. Maybe I've missed it but who's the chick that he supposedly victimized? I'm confused if it was his wife or someone else. Bottom line is I really can't believe this shit is happening.

[perryswoman]

Does anyone know if he was granted bail today? He was suppose to have another bond hearing this morning at 10:30 am

[JohnH]

Alisha Roemeling ‏@alisharoemeling · 47m47 minutes ago  Salem, OR
Deen Castronovo reportedly taken to Salem Hospital for methamphetamine overdose before arrest June 14 according to attorney #sjnow #SalemOR

Statesman Journal

12:42 PM - 1 Jul 2015 ·

No other news outlet is reporting this yet. I did think about meth being involved , so it certainly adds up if true.

[tater1977]

Deen Castronovo, drummer for rock band Journey, denied bail in rape case
By The Associated Press

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updated July 01, 2015 at 2:26 PM

SALEM — An Oregon judge has denied bail for the drummer of rock band Journey, saying his repeated attempts to contact a woman he's accused of raping show that he poses a threat.

Marion County Circuit Judge Channing Bennett said Wednesday that Deen Castronovo violated a court order to stay away from the woman after his June 14 arrest on domestic violence. Prosecutors say he texted her 122 times and called 35 times.

Castronovo was indicted this week on charges including rape, assault and sexual abuse.

His attorney, Jeffrey Jones, says Castronovo was high on meth when he was arrested and would go to rehab if released.

Castronovo has been with Journey since 1998, when he replaced Steve Smith — the drummer on the group's best-known songs."

-- The Associated Press

[JohnH]

Thanks Tater!!!!

[Ehwmatt]

It was evident something was wrong as far back as a few years ago when Deen started looking more and more like Caitlyn Jenner before there was a Caitlyn Jenner.

[perryswoman]

Thanks too Tater. Looks like he will be sitting there for awhile. Pissed off judge is no fun

[perryfan61]

Thanks too Tater. Looks like he will be sitting there for awhile. Pissed off judge is no fun

They say you have to hit bottom, before you can start the climb out....seems like Deen can't go any lower than this. Hopefully this will be the wake-up call he needs to get his life under control. A long road lies ahead...he's going to need support.

[Journey/Survivor]

The only circumstances in which Deen should be permanently replaced as Journey's drummer are if he's found guilty of rape. Or if Journey were already trying to get Steve Smith back in the band (Which was being reported by some) before this latest arrest.

He should not be replaced simply because it doesn't look good for the band, even though he was found not guilty.

This is a short-sighted view. These kinds of things can be very destructive. I don't think rape should be the bar. This is a band that prides itself on playing to kids as well as senior citizens. and a LOT of women. If it was only drugs, I can see a little rallying unless it became a problem over and over. But we are talking about violence and harassment against women. That would not play well with Journey's audience. And if you think Journey is going to sit back and let one person eat away at the success they have built over the last many years, you are crazy. They stood by him the first time, but this is too much, in my opinion. No one wants to see Journey become the poster band for supporting this kind of behavior and giving voice to some movement/boycott. They went from barely filling 2500 seat places in 98 to being one of the biggest touring acts today. No way they let that crumble. Nor should they.

What I'm saying is that unless it's proven that he did rape her, he should not be removed from the band over an allegation that may be false. Anyone can make any claim against anyone. It doesn't mean that the claim is true.

Like I said, I don't know if he's guilty or innocent. Only he and his wife know that for sure.

No one should ever lose there job because of an unproven allegation.

I don't doubt in the slightest that Journey (Especially Cain) will dump him from the band over the "bad publicity" that this may bring to the band. I'm just saying that he shouldn't be kicked out of the band if he's found not guilty.

There are more important things than money. And if it comes out that Deen is not guilty of rape, then the band should have his back, even if it does result in them selling a few less (Or even far fewer) tickets or CD's

A few of your comments seem to indicate that you feel that Deen definitely did either rape or otherwise physically abuse his wife. But we don't know that for sure. It would be wrong for anyone to want anyone to be punished for something that they are innocent of. Even if there's a shortsighted and self-righteous group of people out there who are ready to convict the man in their minds without any evidence of his having done what he is accused of. And if those people refuse to go to a Journey concert, or to buy a Journey CD. Then the band SHOULD tell them to kiss their ass. Even though they probably wont.

[perryfan61]

The only circumstances in which Deen should be permanently replaced as Journey's drummer are if he's found guilty of rape. Or if Journey were already trying to get Steve Smith back in the band (Which was being reported by some) before this latest arrest.

He should not be replaced simply because it doesn't look good for the band, even though he was found not guilty.

This is a short-sighted view. These kinds of things can be very destructive. I don't think rape should be the bar. This is a band that prides itself on playing to kids as well as senior citizens. and a LOT of women. If it was only drugs, I can see a little rallying unless it became a problem over and over. But we are talking about violence and harassment against women. That would not play well with Journey's audience. And if you think Journey is going to sit back and let one person eat away at the success they have built over the last many years, you are crazy. They stood by him the first time, but this is too much, in my opinion. No one wants to see Journey become the poster band for supporting this kind of behavior and giving voice to some movement/boycott. They went from barely filling 2500 seat places in 98 to being one of the biggest touring acts today. No way they let that crumble. Nor should they.

What I'm saying is that unless it's proven that he did rape her, he should not be removed from the band over an allegation that may be false. Anyone can make any claim against anyone. It doesn't mean that the claim is true.

Like I said, I don't know if he's guilty or innocent. Only he and his wife know that for sure.

No one should ever lose there job because of an unproven allegation.

I don't doubt in the slightest that Journey (Especially Cain) will dump him from the band over the "bad publicity" that this may bring to the band. I'm just saying that he shouldn't be kicked out of the band if he's found not guilty.

There are more important things than money. And if it comes out that Deen is not guilty of rape, then the band should have his back, even if it does result in them selling a few less (Or even far fewer) tickets or CD's

A few of your comments seem to indicate that you feel that Deen definitely did either rape or otherwise physically abuse his wife. But we don't know that for sure. It would be wrong for anyone to want anyone to be punished for something that they are innocent of. Even if there's a shortsighted and self-righteous group of people out there who are ready to convict the man in their minds without any evidence of his having done what he is accused of. And if those people refuse to go to a Journey concert, or to buy a Journey CD. Then the band SHOULD tell them to kiss their ass. Even though they probably wont.

+1