The_Noble_Cause wrote:Monker wrote:Again, this is just a flat out lie. There were all kinds of things going on. AR and his alcoholic rantings, posting porn, posting his fat porn to attack BT women, Dean and his hazing of new people, and also attacking Perry fans. There was just a general disregard for ANY direction that Andrew gave. If it were just you on a rampage, Andrew could have just kicked you off, which he probably did on occasion, but he would not need to take the entire forum down to deal with one person...that is just you lying and over estimating your prestige on this forum back then. You took a backseat to a lot of people, including Dean and AR...they were much more prominent here.
I didn't even know Deano or AR at that point - nor did they post on here yet. Sorry.
Then you are remembering things about as well as ex-members of the Styx forum who believe *I* caused the Journey forum to be shut down. It was shut down because more than a few people were ignoring Andrew and his direction. The only other time it was 'shut down" was when Joe crashed the forum...which is completely different.
And I don't care about online forum "prestige" (whatever the hell that means).
Yes you do. You even attached yourself to Deano saying how you had his password and would post for him, and nobody knew the difference, including Andrew. You claim to be some kinda forum journalist. You propped yourself up in previous posts saying how you alone took on Perry fans. On, and on, and on.
My point is, I have seen activity on this forum go from low to high to low.
Well, duh. When the forum was new, there were not that many posters. During the MR/BT forum war, there dozens of posters and hundreds of messages per day. Now there are fewer than ever. The newsgroup is dead. The mailing list is dead. And, even on various posts on YT and FB there is not as much activity as there was here during the peak. It's not just people moving to other outlets, there are less vocal fans in general. In fact, I would say there was probably more activity on the old Prodigy forum then there ever was here...because there were more fans back in the early 90's.
So when people (like you or Archetype) complain about the current lack of activity, I am reminded of earlier days.
Wow. We weren't "complaining". We, or at least 'I', were making an observation and had a conversation....something which I don't think you know how to do.
Monker wrote:I know that...and it is just more proof of you lying. I STARTED alt.music.journey. I know you were there. Froy, LeadVolcalz, you, and me were all from the newsgroup. In fact FROY is the one who originally posted that a forum was started here. Even he was here before you.
What am I lying about? You just confirmed what I said. [/quote]
Read your previous post about being the only one here battling Perryheads. Read your previous post about the only people here being me, you, and Joe. NONE of that is true.
Monker wrote:No, I'm not projecting. Even most of this is lies, exaggeration, or simply picking things out of context. Just one example: I never, EVER, said Journey was not headlining Lallapalozlazala. My consistent point in all of that was that NEAL SCHON, a liar, was the only source for it. My point was that you should not take it serious until it could be confirmed by other sources. Even Lalalapaloozalaola would not confirm or deny it when directly asked. But, I NEVER said they would not be at the show....
Uh-huh. Any updates on these claims below?
I'm not going to go through any of this just to appease you so you can relitigate it. I gave an example of your bullshit...and you had nothing to say about it because you can't find a quote where I said Journey would not perform at Lalapaloozalala. You lie, take things out of context, exaggerate, and sometimes (as in this case) simply invent conversation that NEVER HAPPENED.
Monker wrote:....that is a invented thing in YOUR head, just as this entire argument with Archetype is an invented thing in your head so you can avoid not admitting that you were wrong about songs being performed months ahead of Eclipse being released.
I wasn't wrong.
The simple truth to this is that someone commented that Journey supposedly has a double album worth of songs ready to release but they couldn't perform more than one song at this Vegas concert.
Archetype replied saying they played up to five songs months before Eclipse was released.
You then jumped in and said you didn't remember that and that they started playing songs when they started supporting the album on tour.
Archetype proved that statement wrong by the pre-Eclipse Vegas date.
YOU are the one making all of this "tour" bullshit. The fact is, they STILL performed songs on the Eclipse tour months before the album was released. Even without the Vegas show, Archetype was still right. YOU are the one turning a conversation you were not involved in from how early Eclipse songs were performed to a fucked up argument about touring. You do this crap all the time....you read something, get some idea stuck in your head, and then reply to that idea instead of the conversation that you just read. NOBODY was talking about tours until YOU joined the conversation and fucked it up.
I said the band was on vacation prior to touring in support of Eclipse - which is accurate.
And, there is another lie. You said NOTHING about 'vacation'.
You and Archetype make it sound like there was a pre-Eclipse tour where they went out playing Eclipse songs.
That is your made up bullshit. NOBODY said anything about tours except YOU.
The FACT is the Vegas show(s) are pretty much a perfect comparison to the Vegas show they did prior to Eclipse. Any fool can see that.
Only counter-example I can think of is the band playing new tracks (ex. Have a Good Time) before the Arrival tour.
That is because you are ignorant about Journey history. They performed "Separate Ways" prior to the Frontiers tour. Prior to the release of Infinity they did shows with Fleischman doing some Infinity songs, and snuck Perry in to audition. So, yes, they did it before - although it makes no difference at all.
In addition, during "Vacations Over" they did not (supposedly) have an entire album recorded like they did with both Eclipse and the assumed "Freedom" album.
Monker wrote:You do this ALL THE TIME, repeatedly.
I'm just discussing the facts, which continually get in the way of your anti-Journey narrative. Perryheads had the same problem.
You are not "discussing' anything. You are trying to dictate things...things you are making up in your head that have nothing to do with the conversation prior to you entering it. WE WERE NOT TALKING ABOUT TOURS.
The problem with Perryheads was their cult like devotion towards Perry, how they credited him and nobody else, how they believe that Journey was HIS band, that he could do no wrong....and their unwavering stance, even when facts and history was presented to them. That describes your obedience to Neal more than anything I am doing.
