Hugo Valenti

[Aaron]

Are you sure. Any chick can sing in that range, they're doing lay ups. Not impressive

Hugo is barely an after thought on the list of the best singers today. He certainly has the chops but it's outrageous nonsense to suggest the Hugo is a better singer than someone like Lzzy Hale or Amy Lee.

[Monker]

It would be like claiming Tommy Shaw is one of the best singers ever. He's simply not. He has a great voice and does his thang extremely well...but he is not like Steve Perry or Freddy Mercury or John Farnham.

Two points that I would make about that topic.

#1 It's all in the ear of the beholder.

Not completely. There are quantitative things. Range is one example. Longevity is another. The ability to sing successfully in multiple genres is another. Limiting things to just range is like a judge at a beauty contest judging solely by chest size.

#2. Tommy Shaw is one of the greatest Rock singers of all time in my opinion. Is he in my top 5? No. Is he in my top 10? Probably not quite. Is he in my top 20? Probably.

I would agree with that. My point is that he is NOT in the top 5...but he does his thang extremely well, and maybe that would put him in the top 20.

Can any of you guys at all give me a list of some of John Farnham's best vocal performances?'

The one that everybody would probably point to is his version of Help. Keep in mind that nobody prior recorded it slowed down like this...Tina Turner heard this version and that is why she recorded her version. He really brings it home towards the end:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dv54giOSRKs

The first time I heard this I thought the first lady was going to embarrass him...and, BTW, she shows why range isn't everything...but there is a point where she looks at him with complete respect. You can tell they are fans of each other.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_x6N94OEkZQ

Another gospel standard:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tEyg1dIcqCE

I was lucky enough to see Glen Shorrock with LRB a couple times...but Farnham really did well on this. I used to have a better quality copy of this dubbed to cassette years ago...loved this version:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9JPLJk-UOHc

I love this, too....keep in mind that Farnham is over 70 here...he is the same age as Steve Perry. Farnham held on to almost all of his voice up until he had to have jaw reconstruction a couple years ago for cancer surgery:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VtZQU-Oa_2s

The original...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vP6O5hCN1M8

One of his last performance a few years ago...with Brian May and Olivia Newton-John. The guy lost hardly anything:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lqjNWuM2z-Q

The original:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e8nZvHD6h0o

I think I posted this in the Perry forum. This is actually his warm up before a show...so when he sang this, his voice was not even warmed up yet:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F2Yi6TVi-sU

[Monker]

It is range for me, it makes singers great as they're pushing the limits of their capability.

So, singers like Elvis, JIm Morrison, and Neil Diamond are nothing because they do not have Steve Perry like voices and range?

And, singers like Michael Mills, who truly do have an astronomical range, you must know all about because range is all that matters:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dfiASSsk5j0

And, Roy Orbison is the best singer ever because he had almost a 4 octave crazy range.
https://jbonamassa.com/roy-orbison-the- ... ve%20voice.

"Music scholars suggest that Orbison has a three-or four-octave range and his powerful, impassioned voice earns him the sobriquet “the Caruso of Rock.” In fact, The Big O and Enrico Caruso were the only 20th century tenors capable of hitting E over high C."

So, there ya go...Proof that Roy Orbison is the greatest singer ever.....if you only look at vocal range.

I should not have made the anne wilson comment. She's a decent singer. She offended me when they opened for Journey in Indy in 08ish. She will remember me, my back and my middle finger for their whole set from the front row.

You are bordering on sounding misogynistic. These are also some of the greatest singers of all time:
Grace Slick
Janis Joplin
Pat Benatar
Joan Jett
and, yes, Ann Wilson
Even someone like Karen Carpenter should be on that list.

In modern times:
Lzzy Hale
Amy Lee
Sharron del Adel
Floor Jansen
Anneke Van Giersbergen
Simone Simmons
Elize Ryd

And, there are a lot of others....those are just the ones I know. But, to knock all of the above to be below Hugo sounds like ignorance and bias. Not trying to be insulting...but, you do not seem to be able to appreciate a female rock voice.

How do you know Hugo can't sing anything other Perry's range?

He doesn't do it any longer. Even his older songs in Valentine or Open Skyz...he still almost exclusively sings in that high head voice vocal. The rare times he does use his chest voice he does not sound like Perry at all...which is probably why he doesn't use it.
And, Perry, as I tried to say during that TNC discussion, does NOT stay in the head voice as Hugo does. Perry switches between his mid-range chest voice into head voice almost effortlessly. You can't even tell he does it. Listen to some of his isolated vocals and you will find he stays in chest voice a LOT more than you think. Hugo does NOT do that at all...he locks himself in head voice.

Also, I am not critiquing head voice. It is part of a singers natural range. But, a great vocalist like Perry can cross the border between chest voice and head voice without it being noticable...I do not hear Hugo doing that. He just stays above the border.

I can tell you if you sing in the stratosphere, you can sing lower. Anyone can sing lower

That is simply not true.

and I don't think you know what Hugo can or can't do. He choses the absolute hardest range, why would you think he can't do lay ups?

I am not saying he can't do it. IMO, he doesn't sound enough like Steve Perry when he is in his chest voice and that is why he doesn't sing there any longer. He has made a career out of sounding like Steve Perry so why would he use the part of his range where he doesn't sound like Perry...that would make no sense. If you go back and listen to Valentine, there are parts where he does not sound like Perry....in those parts, he is using chest voice. It has been so long ago that I listened to that that I do not remember exactly where. I did try to listen to Open Skyz recently. I really liked that when it first came out but it sounds soooo dated now.

I'm not a huge fan of Clarkson's music style. What I am a fan of is her absolute mastery of the high end of the range.

She is not a "master". I posted Floor singing OPERA. Can Kelly Clarkson sing her pop music and then go and sing opera? IMO, a "master" would be able to...and Floor can. Anneke van Gierbergen could too...and she can sing country, and jazz, and metal, and Euro pop. Kelly Clarkson has an American pop singer voice. Even Lady Goga has more versatility than Kelly Clarkson.

And, when I looked up Kelly Clarkson's vocal range, it's not even close to Anneke's. Anneke can sing so high at times that I find those notes a bit annoying...but whatever...if range is all that matters to you, then Anneke is a better singer:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P9jn3ipDX6o
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-re4dOZJKAY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bkbM1VjtV3k
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GZEwH_2Okk0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SoYn6MDKbdg

She is a great example of Steve Perry in female form. She has the range that I think is great (opinions vary, just like ah's).

That is a mistake you make. Steve Perry is not all about range. He had the versatility to sing ballads, and then break into R&B, and then do hard rock. Lzzy Hale is more like Steve Perry. She also has the range. In addition, she knows that music that comes from the heart, or gut, or somewhere buried in emotions you don't often express..are the songs that touch people,..that is where Steve Perry was, and Journey as a whole was, back in the day. The songs were written in that context and Perry sang them in that context. When I listen to Lzzy sing, I can feel she is singing from that place in the same way Perry did....I do not feel that from pop singers. From pop singers, they sing for the charts and $'s first....not to express themselves through their songs....that seems secondary to me. There are some exceptions to that, like Adele...but very few.

Lzzy can go from crazy modern American metal
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=srT0pgC_yto

To straight hard rock:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ugwl46p7vvk
and, at the end of the above is an acapella bluesy thing

To ballads:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AKFZ9gNBG6M
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WHPVb-qMzsY

To working with obscure artists (like Perry did with Clannad):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mdN1U9NvuIc

To covering Journey themselves:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kedqAwyGoHs
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I9iXHAgjXhA

And, she has cribbed Journey lyrics and used them in her songs...."singing in a smoky room..." Wonder where she got that from:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1U7K62gKsH8

And, if Halestorm wanted to, they could sound as "pop" as Lady Gaga:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2F9rcpV_lYU
But, they have more in common with Joan Jett, Pat Benatar and AC/DC than Lady Gaga.

IMO, if Lzzy and Perry, or Lzzy and Jonathan, had a writing session....I think there would be instant karma and something great would come out of it. If it were Kelly Clarkson, I'm sure they would come up with something...but I don't know if it could be nearly as great as writing with Lzzy....and IMO, I think Lzzy writing with Kelly would definitely be interesting, too.

[Pelata]

Not saying he's without talent...but, to my ears, Hugo comes off as an impressionist.

[Abitaman]

After reading through all of this, I get the feeling it all comes down to what you like.

[Pelata]

His talent notwithstanding, I've always rate Hugo more of an impressionist.

And, as long as Perry lives and breathes on this planet, he'll always be the GOAT.

[yulog]

His talent notwithstanding, I've always rate Hugo more of an impressionist.

And, as long as Perry lives and breathes on this planet, he'll always be the GOAT.

Not after that duet with Dolly , that was just hideous.

[Aaron]

ha, beauty is in the eye of beholder and try as you might, you can't argue what you like. But Monker will try.

After reading through all of this, I get the feeling it all comes down to what you like.

[Aaron]

Fact, and I hate to say it.

His talent notwithstanding, I've always rate Hugo more of an impressionist.

And, as long as Perry lives and breathes on this planet, he'll always be the GOAT.

Not after that duet with Dolly , that was just hideous.

[Aaron]

Anyone who post a daughtery video is a douche. This dude is an arrogant, bad person. I've listened to LH and the other links and I'm not impressed. What can we agree on Monker? Maybe we have different tastes?

It is range for me, it makes singers great as they're pushing the limits of their capability.

So, singers like Elvis, JIm Morrison, and Neil Diamond are nothing because they do not have Steve Perry like voices and range?

And, singers like Michael Mills, who truly do have an astronomical range, you must know all about because range is all that matters:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dfiASSsk5j0

And, Roy Orbison is the best singer ever because he had almost a 4 octave crazy range.
https://jbonamassa.com/roy-orbison-the- ... ve%20voice.

"Music scholars suggest that Orbison has a three-or four-octave range and his powerful, impassioned voice earns him the sobriquet “the Caruso of Rock.” In fact, The Big O and Enrico Caruso were the only 20th century tenors capable of hitting E over high C."

So, there ya go...Proof that Roy Orbison is the greatest singer ever.....if you only look at vocal range.

I should not have made the anne wilson comment. She's a decent singer. She offended me when they opened for Journey in Indy in 08ish. She will remember me, my back and my middle finger for their whole set from the front row.

You are bordering on sounding misogynistic. These are also some of the greatest singers of all time:
Grace Slick
Janis Joplin
Pat Benatar
Joan Jett
and, yes, Ann Wilson
Even someone like Karen Carpenter should be on that list.

In modern times:
Lzzy Hale
Amy Lee
Sharron del Adel
Floor Jansen
Anneke Van Giersbergen
Simone Simmons
Elize Ryd

And, there are a lot of others....those are just the ones I know. But, to knock all of the above to be below Hugo sounds like ignorance and bias. Not trying to be insulting...but, you do not seem to be able to appreciate a female rock voice.

How do you know Hugo can't sing anything other Perry's range?

He doesn't do it any longer. Even his older songs in Valentine or Open Skyz...he still almost exclusively sings in that high head voice vocal. The rare times he does use his chest voice he does not sound like Perry at all...which is probably why he doesn't use it.
And, Perry, as I tried to say during that TNC discussion, does NOT stay in the head voice as Hugo does. Perry switches between his mid-range chest voice into head voice almost effortlessly. You can't even tell he does it. Listen to some of his isolated vocals and you will find he stays in chest voice a LOT more than you think. Hugo does NOT do that at all...he locks himself in head voice.

Also, I am not critiquing head voice. It is part of a singers natural range. But, a great vocalist like Perry can cross the border between chest voice and head voice without it being noticable...I do not hear Hugo doing that. He just stays above the border.

I can tell you if you sing in the stratosphere, you can sing lower. Anyone can sing lower

That is simply not true.

and I don't think you know what Hugo can or can't do. He choses the absolute hardest range, why would you think he can't do lay ups?

I am not saying he can't do it. IMO, he doesn't sound enough like Steve Perry when he is in his chest voice and that is why he doesn't sing there any longer. He has made a career out of sounding like Steve Perry so why would he use the part of his range where he doesn't sound like Perry...that would make no sense. If you go back and listen to Valentine, there are parts where he does not sound like Perry....in those parts, he is using chest voice. It has been so long ago that I listened to that that I do not remember exactly where. I did try to listen to Open Skyz recently. I really liked that when it first came out but it sounds soooo dated now.

I'm not a huge fan of Clarkson's music style. What I am a fan of is her absolute mastery of the high end of the range.

She is not a "master". I posted Floor singing OPERA. Can Kelly Clarkson sing her pop music and then go and sing opera? IMO, a "master" would be able to...and Floor can. Anneke van Gierbergen could too...and she can sing country, and jazz, and metal, and Euro pop. Kelly Clarkson has an American pop singer voice. Even Lady Goga has more versatility than Kelly Clarkson.

And, when I looked up Kelly Clarkson's vocal range, it's not even close to Anneke's. Anneke can sing so high at times that I find those notes a bit annoying...but whatever...if range is all that matters to you, then Anneke is a better singer:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P9jn3ipDX6o
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-re4dOZJKAY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bkbM1VjtV3k
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GZEwH_2Okk0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SoYn6MDKbdg

She is a great example of Steve Perry in female form. She has the range that I think is great (opinions vary, just like ah's).

That is a mistake you make. Steve Perry is not all about range. He had the versatility to sing ballads, and then break into R&B, and then do hard rock. Lzzy Hale is more like Steve Perry. She also has the range. In addition, she knows that music that comes from the heart, or gut, or somewhere buried in emotions you don't often express..are the songs that touch people,..that is where Steve Perry was, and Journey as a whole was, back in the day. The songs were written in that context and Perry sang them in that context. When I listen to Lzzy sing, I can feel she is singing from that place in the same way Perry did....I do not feel that from pop singers. From pop singers, they sing for the charts and $'s first....not to express themselves through their songs....that seems secondary to me. There are some exceptions to that, like Adele...but very few.

Lzzy can go from crazy modern American metal
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=srT0pgC_yto

To straight hard rock:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ugwl46p7vvk
and, at the end of the above is an acapella bluesy thing

To ballads:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AKFZ9gNBG6M
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WHPVb-qMzsY

To working with obscure artists (like Perry did with Clannad):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mdN1U9NvuIc

To covering Journey themselves:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kedqAwyGoHs
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I9iXHAgjXhA

And, she has cribbed Journey lyrics and used them in her songs...."singing in a smoky room..." Wonder where she got that from:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1U7K62gKsH8

And, if Halestorm wanted to, they could sound as "pop" as Lady Gaga:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2F9rcpV_lYU
But, they have more in common with Joan Jett, Pat Benatar and AC/DC than Lady Gaga.

IMO, if Lzzy and Perry, or Lzzy and Jonathan, had a writing session....I think there would be instant karma and something great would come out of it. If it were Kelly Clarkson, I'm sure they would come up with something...but I don't know if it could be nearly as great as writing with Lzzy....and IMO, I think Lzzy writing with Kelly would definitely be interesting, too.

[Aaron]

That's pretty much all of it sir!

After reading through all of this, I get the feeling it all comes down to what you like.

[Aaron]

Brother is all in the eye of the beholder. I have a 4 octave range. Does that make me a great singer, opinions vary (likely not). Elvis, Morrison and Diamond don't hit my radar screen. Orbison was good, loved him. You can try to prove stuff but it's in your view, not mine. Like I said, the eye of the beholder.

So i did listen to you and listened to this Hale chick some. She is doing layups when dudes have to work in her range and it makes a difference in energy.

LOL, so because I have a different opinion than you and I like different things I'm biased and ignorant. 4.0 Masters in Engineering here sir and I don't appreciate your arrogant swipe.

And just show you I do listen, here is an old dude handing Lizzy Hale here ass in energy and range. She's a chump doing layups. (IMO)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YwBUPLLn3zA

It is range for me, it makes singers great as they're pushing the limits of their capability.

So, singers like Elvis, JIm Morrison, and Neil Diamond are nothing because they do not have Steve Perry like voices and range?

And, singers like Michael Mills, who truly do have an astronomical range, you must know all about because range is all that matters:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dfiASSsk5j0

And, Roy Orbison is the best singer ever because he had almost a 4 octave crazy range.
https://jbonamassa.com/roy-orbison-the- ... ve%20voice.

"Music scholars suggest that Orbison has a three-or four-octave range and his powerful, impassioned voice earns him the sobriquet “the Caruso of Rock.” In fact, The Big O and Enrico Caruso were the only 20th century tenors capable of hitting E over high C."

So, there ya go...Proof that Roy Orbison is the greatest singer ever.....if you only look at vocal range.

I should not have made the anne wilson comment. She's a decent singer. She offended me when they opened for Journey in Indy in 08ish. She will remember me, my back and my middle finger for their whole set from the front row.

You are bordering on sounding misogynistic. These are also some of the greatest singers of all time:
Grace Slick
Janis Joplin
Pat Benatar
Joan Jett
and, yes, Ann Wilson
Even someone like Karen Carpenter should be on that list.

In modern times:
Lzzy Hale
Amy Lee
Sharron del Adel
Floor Jansen
Anneke Van Giersbergen
Simone Simmons
Elize Ryd

And, there are a lot of others....those are just the ones I know. But, to knock all of the above to be below Hugo sounds like ignorance and bias. Not trying to be insulting...but, you do not seem to be able to appreciate a female rock voice.

How do you know Hugo can't sing anything other Perry's range?

He doesn't do it any longer. Even his older songs in Valentine or Open Skyz...he still almost exclusively sings in that high head voice vocal. The rare times he does use his chest voice he does not sound like Perry at all...which is probably why he doesn't use it.
And, Perry, as I tried to say during that TNC discussion, does NOT stay in the head voice as Hugo does. Perry switches between his mid-range chest voice into head voice almost effortlessly. You can't even tell he does it. Listen to some of his isolated vocals and you will find he stays in chest voice a LOT more than you think. Hugo does NOT do that at all...he locks himself in head voice.

Also, I am not critiquing head voice. It is part of a singers natural range. But, a great vocalist like Perry can cross the border between chest voice and head voice without it being noticable...I do not hear Hugo doing that. He just stays above the border.

I can tell you if you sing in the stratosphere, you can sing lower. Anyone can sing lower

That is simply not true.

and I don't think you know what Hugo can or can't do. He choses the absolute hardest range, why would you think he can't do lay ups?

I am not saying he can't do it. IMO, he doesn't sound enough like Steve Perry when he is in his chest voice and that is why he doesn't sing there any longer. He has made a career out of sounding like Steve Perry so why would he use the part of his range where he doesn't sound like Perry...that would make no sense. If you go back and listen to Valentine, there are parts where he does not sound like Perry....in those parts, he is using chest voice. It has been so long ago that I listened to that that I do not remember exactly where. I did try to listen to Open Skyz recently. I really liked that when it first came out but it sounds soooo dated now.

I'm not a huge fan of Clarkson's music style. What I am a fan of is her absolute mastery of the high end of the range.

She is not a "master". I posted Floor singing OPERA. Can Kelly Clarkson sing her pop music and then go and sing opera? IMO, a "master" would be able to...and Floor can. Anneke van Gierbergen could too...and she can sing country, and jazz, and metal, and Euro pop. Kelly Clarkson has an American pop singer voice. Even Lady Goga has more versatility than Kelly Clarkson.

And, when I looked up Kelly Clarkson's vocal range, it's not even close to Anneke's. Anneke can sing so high at times that I find those notes a bit annoying...but whatever...if range is all that matters to you, then Anneke is a better singer:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P9jn3ipDX6o
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-re4dOZJKAY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bkbM1VjtV3k
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GZEwH_2Okk0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SoYn6MDKbdg

She is a great example of Steve Perry in female form. She has the range that I think is great (opinions vary, just like ah's).

That is a mistake you make. Steve Perry is not all about range. He had the versatility to sing ballads, and then break into R&B, and then do hard rock. Lzzy Hale is more like Steve Perry. She also has the range. In addition, she knows that music that comes from the heart, or gut, or somewhere buried in emotions you don't often express..are the songs that touch people,..that is where Steve Perry was, and Journey as a whole was, back in the day. The songs were written in that context and Perry sang them in that context. When I listen to Lzzy sing, I can feel she is singing from that place in the same way Perry did....I do not feel that from pop singers. From pop singers, they sing for the charts and $'s first....not to express themselves through their songs....that seems secondary to me. There are some exceptions to that, like Adele...but very few.

Lzzy can go from crazy modern American metal
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=srT0pgC_yto

To straight hard rock:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ugwl46p7vvk
and, at the end of the above is an acapella bluesy thing

To ballads:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AKFZ9gNBG6M
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WHPVb-qMzsY

To working with obscure artists (like Perry did with Clannad):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mdN1U9NvuIc

To covering Journey themselves:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kedqAwyGoHs
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I9iXHAgjXhA

And, she has cribbed Journey lyrics and used them in her songs...."singing in a smoky room..." Wonder where she got that from:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1U7K62gKsH8

And, if Halestorm wanted to, they could sound as "pop" as Lady Gaga:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2F9rcpV_lYU
But, they have more in common with Joan Jett, Pat Benatar and AC/DC than Lady Gaga.

IMO, if Lzzy and Perry, or Lzzy and Jonathan, had a writing session....I think there would be instant karma and something great would come out of it. If it were Kelly Clarkson, I'm sure they would come up with something...but I don't know if it could be nearly as great as writing with Lzzy....and IMO, I think Lzzy writing with Kelly would definitely be interesting, too.

[Aaron]

Brother is all in the eye of the beholder. I have a 4 octave range. Does that make me a great singer, opinions vary (likely not). Elvis, Morrison and Diamond don't hit my radar screen. Orbison was good, loved him. You can try to prove stuff but it's in your view, not mine. Like I said, the eye of the beholder.

So i did listen to you and listened to this Hale chick some. She is doing layups when dudes have to work in her range and it makes a difference in energy.

LOL, so because I have a different opinion than you and I like different things I'm biased and ignorant. 4.0 Masters in Engineering here sir and I don't appreciate your arrogant swipe.

And just show you I do listen, here is an old dude handing Lizzy Hale her weak ass in energy and range. She's a chump doing layups and I'm being kind. (IMO)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YwBUPLLn3zA

It is range for me, it makes singers great as they're pushing the limits of their capability.

So, singers like Elvis, JIm Morrison, and Neil Diamond are nothing because they do not have Steve Perry like voices and range?

And, singers like Michael Mills, who truly do have an astronomical range, you must know all about because range is all that matters:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dfiASSsk5j0

And, Roy Orbison is the best singer ever because he had almost a 4 octave crazy range.
https://jbonamassa.com/roy-orbison-the- ... ve%20voice.

"Music scholars suggest that Orbison has a three-or four-octave range and his powerful, impassioned voice earns him the sobriquet “the Caruso of Rock.” In fact, The Big O and Enrico Caruso were the only 20th century tenors capable of hitting E over high C."

So, there ya go...Proof that Roy Orbison is the greatest singer ever.....if you only look at vocal range.

I should not have made the anne wilson comment. She's a decent singer. She offended me when they opened for Journey in Indy in 08ish. She will remember me, my back and my middle finger for their whole set from the front row.

You are bordering on sounding misogynistic. These are also some of the greatest singers of all time:
Grace Slick
Janis Joplin
Pat Benatar
Joan Jett
and, yes, Ann Wilson
Even someone like Karen Carpenter should be on that list.

In modern times:
Lzzy Hale
Amy Lee
Sharron del Adel
Floor Jansen
Anneke Van Giersbergen
Simone Simmons
Elize Ryd

And, there are a lot of others....those are just the ones I know. But, to knock all of the above to be below Hugo sounds like ignorance and bias. Not trying to be insulting...but, you do not seem to be able to appreciate a female rock voice.

How do you know Hugo can't sing anything other Perry's range?

He doesn't do it any longer. Even his older songs in Valentine or Open Skyz...he still almost exclusively sings in that high head voice vocal. The rare times he does use his chest voice he does not sound like Perry at all...which is probably why he doesn't use it.
And, Perry, as I tried to say during that TNC discussion, does NOT stay in the head voice as Hugo does. Perry switches between his mid-range chest voice into head voice almost effortlessly. You can't even tell he does it. Listen to some of his isolated vocals and you will find he stays in chest voice a LOT more than you think. Hugo does NOT do that at all...he locks himself in head voice.

Also, I am not critiquing head voice. It is part of a singers natural range. But, a great vocalist like Perry can cross the border between chest voice and head voice without it being noticable...I do not hear Hugo doing that. He just stays above the border.

I can tell you if you sing in the stratosphere, you can sing lower. Anyone can sing lower

That is simply not true.

and I don't think you know what Hugo can or can't do. He choses the absolute hardest range, why would you think he can't do lay ups?

I am not saying he can't do it. IMO, he doesn't sound enough like Steve Perry when he is in his chest voice and that is why he doesn't sing there any longer. He has made a career out of sounding like Steve Perry so why would he use the part of his range where he doesn't sound like Perry...that would make no sense. If you go back and listen to Valentine, there are parts where he does not sound like Perry....in those parts, he is using chest voice. It has been so long ago that I listened to that that I do not remember exactly where. I did try to listen to Open Skyz recently. I really liked that when it first came out but it sounds soooo dated now.

I'm not a huge fan of Clarkson's music style. What I am a fan of is her absolute mastery of the high end of the range.

She is not a "master". I posted Floor singing OPERA. Can Kelly Clarkson sing her pop music and then go and sing opera? IMO, a "master" would be able to...and Floor can. Anneke van Gierbergen could too...and she can sing country, and jazz, and metal, and Euro pop. Kelly Clarkson has an American pop singer voice. Even Lady Goga has more versatility than Kelly Clarkson.

And, when I looked up Kelly Clarkson's vocal range, it's not even close to Anneke's. Anneke can sing so high at times that I find those notes a bit annoying...but whatever...if range is all that matters to you, then Anneke is a better singer:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P9jn3ipDX6o
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-re4dOZJKAY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bkbM1VjtV3k
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GZEwH_2Okk0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SoYn6MDKbdg

She is a great example of Steve Perry in female form. She has the range that I think is great (opinions vary, just like ah's).

That is a mistake you make. Steve Perry is not all about range. He had the versatility to sing ballads, and then break into R&B, and then do hard rock. Lzzy Hale is more like Steve Perry. She also has the range. In addition, she knows that music that comes from the heart, or gut, or somewhere buried in emotions you don't often express..are the songs that touch people,..that is where Steve Perry was, and Journey as a whole was, back in the day. The songs were written in that context and Perry sang them in that context. When I listen to Lzzy sing, I can feel she is singing from that place in the same way Perry did....I do not feel that from pop singers. From pop singers, they sing for the charts and $'s first....not to express themselves through their songs....that seems secondary to me. There are some exceptions to that, like Adele...but very few.

Lzzy can go from crazy modern American metal
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=srT0pgC_yto

To straight hard rock:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ugwl46p7vvk
and, at the end of the above is an acapella bluesy thing

To ballads:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AKFZ9gNBG6M
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WHPVb-qMzsY

To working with obscure artists (like Perry did with Clannad):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mdN1U9NvuIc

To covering Journey themselves:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kedqAwyGoHs
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I9iXHAgjXhA

And, she has cribbed Journey lyrics and used them in her songs...."singing in a smoky room..." Wonder where she got that from:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1U7K62gKsH8

And, if Halestorm wanted to, they could sound as "pop" as Lady Gaga:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2F9rcpV_lYU
But, they have more in common with Joan Jett, Pat Benatar and AC/DC than Lady Gaga.

IMO, if Lzzy and Perry, or Lzzy and Jonathan, had a writing session....I think there would be instant karma and something great would come out of it. If it were Kelly Clarkson, I'm sure they would come up with something...but I don't know if it could be nearly as great as writing with Lzzy....and IMO, I think Lzzy writing with Kelly would definitely be interesting, too.

[Pelata]

His talent notwithstanding, I've always rate Hugo more of an impressionist.

And, as long as Perry lives and breathes on this planet, he'll always be the GOAT.

Not after that duet with Dolly , that was just hideous.

Even Tom Brady threw some interceptions.

G.O.A.T.

[Monker]

Brother is all in the eye of the beholder. I have a 4 octave range. Does that make me a great singer, opinions vary (likely not). Elvis, Morrison and Diamond don't hit my radar screen. Orbison was good, loved him. You can try to prove stuff but it's in your view, not mine. Like I said, the eye of the beholder.

YOU said, "It is range for me, it makes singers great as they're pushing the limits of their capability." Now you are changing your mind because you see that it is NOT all about range. If it were just range for you then you would not have to add this "opinion" stuff...you would be an absolute FANATIC about Roy Orbison.

It does not matter if a singer hits YOUR radar screen. Elvis, Morrison, and Diamond are all recognized as great singers. Your failure to recognize their talent in favor of your biases only shows how limiting your criteria and acceptance is.

So i did listen to you and listened to this Hale chick some. She is doing layups when dudes have to work in her range and it makes a difference in energy.

And, now you are going back to your range crap. The bottom line is that Lzzy Hale can sing ANYTHING....while the only thing someone like Hugo does is one vocal style, in one musical style, and that is the extent of his abilities. Lzzy can sing 'layups', and hit logo 3's, and dish off impossible assists....she has a complete game. All Hugo does is the same shot, from the same place on the court, over and over again...and it becomes very repetitive and unimpressive.

LOL, so because I have a different opinion than you and I like different things I'm biased and ignorant. 4.0 Masters in Engineering here sir and I don't appreciate your arrogant swipe.

Yeah, and Einstein did not even graduate high school. When he applied to university, he was forced to get a high school equivalent and went to a special school to get it. And, the biggest idiot in the world, Donald Trump, graduated college. So, sorry, your education means nothing to me.

When you dismiss ALL of the great female rock singers in favor of a Perry imitator, yes, you are being biased. When you seem to not even know the names being mentioned, you are ignorant. It is not me being arrogant and swiping you...it is describing exactly how you are acting.

And just show you I do listen, here is an old dude handing Lizzy Hale here ass in energy and range. She's a chump doing layups. (IMO)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YwBUPLLn3zA

Sorry, but that video has such bad sound quality that it's unwatchable for me.

And, Sebastian Bach is OK. I don't have anything against him and his voice. But, he has always seemed like an arrogant ass...and he seems to be acting that way here. I remember watching him on that VH1 show called "Supergroup" years ago with Ted Nugent. He was portrayed as a drunken idiot who Nugent forced to get sober. Bach acted like a spoiled child most of the time. I remember a few scenes with Nugent flirting with this lady staffer/intern person. Something must have happened off camera because the next ep she called him a perverted old man and to leave her alone. There was another bit where Bach's girlfriend started posing and everybody taking pictures...and Bach was obviously turned on by the whole scene. Nugent's wife was probably the most mature of anybody on the show. When I watch this video, it seems that Bach has not changed much at all.

And, here is Halestorm doing "Slave to the Grind" with decent quality:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lUDY5YkbUlI

And, the album version:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VM3BQl1UVX8

[Monker]

Anyone who post a daughtery video is a douche. This dude is an arrogant, bad person. I've listened to LH and the other links and I'm not impressed. What can we agree on Monker? Maybe we have different tastes?

The Daughtry/Hale cover of Separate Ways was well received by people here.

Meanwhile, you complain about arrogant and bad, yet you post a video of Sebastian Bach. Too funny.

[Aaron]

ha, touche. In his prime there was none better in singing talent.

His talent notwithstanding, I've always rate Hugo more of an impressionist.

And, as long as Perry lives and breathes on this planet, he'll always be the GOAT.

Not after that duet with Dolly , that was just hideous.

Even Tom Brady threw some interceptions.

G.O.A.T.

[Aaron]

Dude it is clear that you are a right fighter and are not open to any difference of opinion. It is about range and energy, which is what range brings. So because I don't care for Elvis or Morrison I'm biased and limited? I used to listen to your input with a grain of salt but because we have a difference in personal likes I'm biased and limited? Once again you're showing your true colors and I'm not impressed. Take your political words somewhere else to look more important that you are. You are a shining of example of trying to shame people because they have a different personal preference. Why is that?

And one question, did you graduate high school or not? College? Graduate School? You use a .0000000000000001% example to back your position. I don't understand how someone can use accomplishments as a detraction. Oh maybe I can, you haven't had the ability to do it. Another example of weakness.

Brother is all in the eye of the beholder. I have a 4 octave range. Does that make me a great singer, opinions vary (likely not). Elvis, Morrison and Diamond don't hit my radar screen. Orbison was good, loved him. You can try to prove stuff but it's in your view, not mine. Like I said, the eye of the beholder.

YOU said, "It is range for me, it makes singers great as they're pushing the limits of their capability." Now you are changing your mind because you see that it is NOT all about range. If it were just range for you then you would not have to add this "opinion" stuff...you would be an absolute FANATIC about Roy Orbison.

It does not matter if a singer hits YOUR radar screen. Elvis, Morrison, and Diamond are all recognized as great singers. Your failure to recognize their talent in favor of your biases only shows how limiting your criteria and acceptance is.

So i did listen to you and listened to this Hale chick some. She is doing layups when dudes have to work in her range and it makes a difference in energy.

And, now you are going back to your range crap. The bottom line is that Lzzy Hale can sing ANYTHING....while the only thing someone like Hugo does is one vocal style, in one musical style, and that is the extent of his abilities. Lzzy can sing 'layups', and hit logo 3's, and dish off impossible assists....she has a complete game. All Hugo does is the same shot, from the same place on the court, over and over again...and it becomes very repetitive and unimpressive.

LOL, so because I have a different opinion than you and I like different things I'm biased and ignorant. 4.0 Masters in Engineering here sir and I don't appreciate your arrogant swipe.

Yeah, and Einstein did not even graduate high school. When he applied to university, he was forced to get a high school equivalent and went to a special school to get it. And, the biggest idiot in the world, Donald Trump, graduated college. So, sorry, your education means nothing to me.

When you dismiss ALL of the great female rock singers in favor of a Perry imitator, yes, you are being biased. When you seem to not even know the names being mentioned, you are ignorant. It is not me being arrogant and swiping you...it is describing exactly how you are acting.

And just show you I do listen, here is an old dude handing Lizzy Hale here ass in energy and range. She's a chump doing layups. (IMO)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YwBUPLLn3zA

Sorry, but that video has such bad sound quality that it's unwatchable for me.

And, Sebastian Bach is OK. I don't have anything against him and his voice. But, he has always seemed like an arrogant ass...and he seems to be acting that way here. I remember watching him on that VH1 show called "Supergroup" years ago with Ted Nugent. He was portrayed as a drunken idiot who Nugent forced to get sober. Bach acted like a spoiled child most of the time. I remember a few scenes with Nugent flirting with this lady staffer/intern person. Something must have happened off camera because the next ep she called him a perverted old man and to leave her alone. There was another bit where Bach's girlfriend started posing and everybody taking pictures...and Bach was obviously turned on by the whole scene. Nugent's wife was probably the most mature of anybody on the show. When I watch this video, it seems that Bach has not changed much at all.

And, here is Halestorm doing "Slave to the Grind" with decent quality:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lUDY5YkbUlI

And, the album version:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VM3BQl1UVX8

[Monker]

Dude it is clear that you are a right fighter and are not open to any difference of opinion.

Dude, you said in the opening post of this thread, "Is Hugo Valenti the best vocalist on the planet today?" Several people answered you, including me, saying others were better and listed names. Someone even said considering Hugo the best singer on the planet was an insult to people like Lzzy Hale. You then went on for several posts saying; female singers are doing "layups", that to you high range is all that matters, and discounted some of the greatest rock singers of today and the past...some of which you obviously had not heard of before. So, I then called you biased and ignorant because you do not know who these people are (ignorance) and discount them solely because they are women (bias). You dismiss some of the greatest singers in rock history, including Elvis. You ignore posts with current singers who have a higher range than Hugo (Michael Mills). You brush off one of the greatest ranges in rock history with Roy Orbison. Yet *I* am the one who discounts personal preference. You claim Hugo is the best vocalist on the planet but only offer range and personal opinion as evidence that he is...that's not good enough.

Now someone says it's all opinion....and you have latched onto that to avoid dealing with your obvious biases against women singers, ignorance of other great singers, and refusal of recognizing qualities beyond range. IT IS NOT JUST OPINION. There are quantitative things involved. Yes, range is one. Longevity is another. Versatility and singing well in other genres is another. I believe I mentioned this before. As I said, in Hugo's case he ONLY has head voice range and a style that sounds like Steve Perry. That is all he is. The other singers mentioned here have qualifications for "best singer on the planet" other than just range and personal opinion.

And one question, did you graduate high school or not? College? Graduate School? You use a .0000000000000001% example to back your position. I don't understand how someone can use accomplishments as a detraction. Oh maybe I can, you haven't had the ability to do it. Another example of weakness.

What I am saying is MY OPINION that a person's education level does not necessarily equate to how "smart" they are. You telling me you have an engineering degree means nothing to me. I couldn't care less. It has nothing to do with Hugo being the best singer on the planet and your ignorance of other singers, etc,. I do not feel a need to post my education level. People can judge me how they want...it really does not bother me at all...weak, strong, whatever...it's irrelevant.

Talk about range, holy shit:
https://youtu.be/AKpoLweW-No?t=103

[Aaron]

Thank you very much for sharing with your own hand how much a of a narcissists you are. I appreciate it. You are brilliant, you are the best, you are the smartest .... not, not even close.

[Aaron]

So being the genius you are, quoting Einstein and all, did you graduate high school? Asking for a friend.

Dude it is clear that you are a right fighter and are not open to any difference of opinion.

Dude, you said in the opening post of this thread, "Is Hugo Valenti the best vocalist on the planet today?" Several people answered you, including me, saying others were better and listed names. Someone even said considering Hugo the best singer on the planet was an insult to people like Lzzy Hale. You then went on for several posts saying; female singers are doing "layups", that to you high range is all that matters, and discounted some of the greatest rock singers of today and the past...some of which you obviously had not heard of before. So, I then called you biased and ignorant because you do not know who these people are (ignorance) and discount them solely because they are women (bias). You dismiss some of the greatest singers in rock history, including Elvis. You ignore posts with current singers who have a higher range than Hugo (Michael Mills). You brush off one of the greatest ranges in rock history with Roy Orbison. Yet *I* am the one who discounts personal preference. You claim Hugo is the best vocalist on the planet but only offer range and personal opinion as evidence that he is...that's not good enough.

Now someone says it's all opinion....and you have latched onto that to avoid dealing with your obvious biases against women singers, ignorance of other great singers, and refusal of recognizing qualities beyond range. IT IS NOT JUST OPINION. There are quantitative things involved. Yes, range is one. Longevity is another. Versatility and singing well in other genres is another. I believe I mentioned this before. As I said, in Hugo's case he ONLY has head voice range and a style that sounds like Steve Perry. That is all he is. The other singers mentioned here have qualifications for "best singer on the planet" other than just range and personal opinion.

And one question, did you graduate high school or not? College? Graduate School? You use a .0000000000000001% example to back your position. I don't understand how someone can use accomplishments as a detraction. Oh maybe I can, you haven't had the ability to do it. Another example of weakness.

What I am saying is MY OPINION that a person's education level does not necessarily equate to how "smart" they are. You telling me you have an engineering degree means nothing to me. I couldn't care less. It has nothing to do with Hugo being the best singer on the planet and your ignorance of other singers, etc,. I do not feel a need to post my education level. People can judge me how they want...it really does not bother me at all...weak, strong, whatever...it's irrelevant.

Talk about range, holy shit:
https://youtu.be/AKpoLweW-No?t=103

[Aaron]

Some of the best Journey you've never heard.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zjuSoed ... qT&index=7

[Eric]

Some of the best Journey you've never heard.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zjuSoed ... qT&index=7

They kinda play with Journey riffs and then do some decent recreations. Like a poor quality Revelations sorta. I don't prefer Hugo's voice over Arnel, but it is Perry-esque. I listened for a bit and enjoyed.

[Monker]

So being the genius you are, quoting Einstein and all, did you graduate high school? Asking for a friend.

For someone who claims to have a graduate degree, you sure do not have much comprehension of the English language.

I never called you a liar. Telling you that you are ignorant about certain things is not a personal insult (ie: saying you are dumb or stupid). Telling you a fact about Einstein is not the same as quoting him.

Here is a quote from Einstein, just so you know the difference, ""Education is what remains after one has forgotten what one has learned in school."

[Pelata]

Some of the best Journey you've never heard.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zjuSoed ... qT&index=7

Ugh

Hugo's voice comes off like tissue paper...it's pretty and all, but it ain't strong.

I know he's talented. But his talent is being an impressionist.

[Monker]

Just hilarious considering the Sabastion Bach and Lzzy Hale conversation:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UVi1dWeZFuk

[Aaron]

Opinions vary. When you get Monkucks dick out of your mouth lets talk.

Some of the best Journey you've never heard.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zjuSoed ... qT&index=7

Ugh

Hugo's voice comes off like tissue paper...it's pretty and all, but it ain't strong.

I know he's talented. But his talent is being an impressionist.

[Aaron]

It's just like a tranny lifting in the femaie category. Records set by 30%. Why is that? Because it's easy, just like you're life you fuck. Get off the welfare and get a job.

Just hilarious considering the Sabastion Bach and Lzzy Hale conversation:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UVi1dWeZFuk

[Aaron]

It's exactly what unaccomplished, uneducated fucks say to make them feel better about their worthless life. Go back to debate school "winning" arguments with zero brain power you fuck.

You can look my accomplishments up on Google Patent Search - Aaron S Quinton

But I'm sure you'll take an approach do diminish this and make yourself feel better as a middle school graduate.

So being the genius you are, quoting Einstein and all, did you graduate high school? Asking for a friend.

For someone who claims to have a graduate degree, you sure do not have much comprehension of the English language.

I never called you a liar. Telling you that you are ignorant about certain things is not a personal insult (ie: saying you are dumb or stupid). Telling you a fact about Einstein is not the same as quoting him.

Here is a quote from Einstein, just so you know the difference, ""Education is what remains after one has forgotten what one has learned in school."

[Aaron]

If you can do better bro then lets here it. He's in head voice a bit because he's not smurf like Monkuck. Lets see what you can do and compare.

Some of the best Journey you've never heard.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zjuSoed ... qT&index=7

Ugh

Hugo's voice comes off like tissue paper...it's pretty and all, but it ain't strong.

I know he's talented. But his talent is being an impressionist.