Arnel Threatening To Leave (Again)

[Onestepper]

Arnel has now put out a statement on Instagram. You can view it here, and the text of part of his post. I'm way to exhausted over this to comment on the specifics. Just, for the love of all things normal, make it stop.

https://www.instagram.com/p/DASv1aqyfYK/

"Firstly, I want to apologize for the inconvenience I have caused all of Journey's faithful fans out there,” the singer started in a video shared on Instagram. “I know the band's not perfect right now and in turmoil, but who’s not going through some bad stuff these days.”

"I've waited a while before I wanna post something again,” Pineda continued, “so here I am. Bottom line, good has won, and no matter how screwed our world is, maybe it's caused evil in us in general, or the politicians or the religious leaders that's making us believe in their eccentric point of view are influencing us. But, yeah. Again, I said that good has won.”

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[The_Noble_Cause]

Arnel has now put out a statement on Instagram. You can view it here, and the text of part of his post. I'm way to exhausted over this to comment on the specifics. Just, for the love of all things normal, make it stop.

Basically how I feel too. AP also released an apologetic video on FB where he was crying and reading a statement from his phone. At this rate, I expect another self-critical meltdown in the near future. I could even see it happening on stage.

[ebake02]

Arnel has now put out a statement on Instagram. You can view it here, and the text of part of his post. I'm way to exhausted over this to comment on the specifics. Just, for the love of all things normal, make it stop.

Basically how I feel too. AP also released an apologetic video on FB where he was crying and reading a statement from his phone. At this rate, I expect another self-critical meltdown in the near future. I could even see it happening on stage.

The band is off for the next three weeks so it would do him some good to just disappear off the planet and stay away from social media for awhile. I can’t help but wonder too if his response wasn’t entirely his choice.

[JourneyHard]

When I go to a Journey concert, and I have been to many, I don't really hear Arnel singing because everybody around me knows all the songs and is singing along. So, Arnel needs to chill. Arnel is doing a great job. He has been in the band longer than any lead singer and that takes a toll on your voice, but the people are there for the songs. Of course, Arnel might be burned out. Perry was burnt out much quicker than this. Arnel needs to make a decision for himself. Arnel needs to answer the question for himself. Stay or Go?

[danielb]

Bring in JSS in time for the 40th anniversary tour for Raised on Radio, played in its entirety. Problem solved

[ebake02]

Bring in JSS in time for the 40th anniversary tour for Raised on Radio, played in its entirety. Problem solved

I would love to see that but JSS would out of his mind crazy to set aside his successful solo career to step into that soap opera for a tour. If they went that route, I would rather see Journey as it is now with W.E.T. as the opener.

[Monker]

Bring in JSS in time for the 40th anniversary tour for Raised on Radio, played in its entirety. Problem solved

I would love to see that but JSS would out of his mind crazy to set aside his successful solo career to step into that soap opera for a tour. If they went that route, I would rather see Journey as it is now with W.E.T. as the opener.

A WET/Journey concert would be a pretty good pairing. Doubt it would happen though.

Not interested in JSS in Journey.

[Monker]

Arnel has now put out a statement on Instagram. You can view it here, and the text of part of his post. I'm way to exhausted over this to comment on the specifics. Just, for the love of all things normal, make it stop.

Basically how I feel too. AP also released an apologetic video on FB where he was crying and reading a statement from his phone. At this rate, I expect another self-critical meltdown in the near future. I could even see it happening on stage.

The band is off for the next three weeks so it would do him some good to just disappear off the planet and stay away from social media for awhile. I can’t help but wonder too if his response wasn’t entirely his choice.

It reads like Jonathan wrote it, TBH. Not a bad idea, really. But, the entire thing needs to be dropped by the band.

I don't mind what Deen said...My wish is that Neal and Jonathan could nip these situations off before then before they bloom into a huge issue. What Deen said was a bit late.

[The_Noble_Cause]

It reads like Jonathan wrote it, TBH.

Jonathan's statements makes sense. I have no idea what Arnel is even talking about. Both his initial woe-is-me post and his apology is a bunch of word salad.

"it was all about,or if i may say,led me to ask. myself after all,about my #spiritualquest
who’s really winning?
#thegood ? or #thebad ? in this world we all live in..

thank you..you all have been so kind"

My wish is that Neal and Jonathan could nip these situations off before then before they bloom into a huge issue.

Jon can't control Neal's embarrassing social media outbursts. Now he has to worry about Arnel too?

[JourneyHard]

After hearing what Arnel sounds like in that concert, I think Arnel needs to take a year off to let his voice recover. This is a very demanding catalogue. This is the perfect time for Perry to return, but if he doesn't want to return, the best option is Deen singing lead for next year. They have to take it easy on him. Give him help. Have Deen sing the dirty dozen with help from Jason. Then have Jon sing Of A Lifetime, I'm Gonna Leave You, and All That Really Matters. Throw in After Glow, and you have an exciting new set list.

[The_Noble_Cause]

After hearing what Arnel sounds like in that concert, I think Arnel needs to take a year off to let his voice recover. This is a very demanding catalogue. This is the perfect time for Perry to return, but if he doesn't want to return, the best option is Deen singing lead for next year. They have to take it easy on him. Give him help. Have Deen sing the dirty dozen with help from Jason. Then have Jon sing Of A Lifetime, I'm Gonna Leave You, and All That Really Matters. Throw in After Glow, and you have an exciting new set list.

Sooner or later, the band has some thinking to do.

None of it includes the options you mentioned.

[OlHoag]

During a previous tif among members, I saw them (2-3 years ago?) and Arnel had his good and bad moments. Very passable. Crowd seemed to love the entire show. The only thing that made me cringe, to the point I thought it would be his LAST tour with the band, was Arnel would try to extend notes...eventually screaming/screeching...well into Neal's solos, seemingly purposely. It was so bad Neal would literally turn and look at Deen and Todd with a WTF on his face. It was very uncomfortable to watch. Clearly that got cleared up

[JohnH]

Perry return? You are joking right? Will Mario Andretti be returning to F1 ?

A 75 year old man that quit because of his voice going and hasn't been onstage for a full concert since March 22, 1995 isn't coming back. I just noticed he had a full tour of Japan booked the next month and canceled it . He never did those shows . His voice was done in 1995. Coming up on thirty years.

People need to stop with this nonsense. Fan of JSS , but that's almost as big of a joke.

He wasn't a fit for the catalog. I enjoy the albums of his I buy and W.E.T.

Are Ross and Steve Smith coming back too? No.

[YoungJRNYfan]

Arnel leaving the band would be a massive blow to Journey. Class act, though. I can't believe Arnel has outlasted the band and the drama that certain band members bring for 17 years. Wild to think about. 17 years was a blink. Good times during the Revelation tour. Arnel is still one of the best gets from this generation.

If Arnel does bail out, they should go with a female vocalist to end the full circle of Journey.

[YoungJRNYfan]

Bring in JSS in time for the 40th anniversary tour for Raised on Radio, played in its entirety. Problem solved

I would love to see that but JSS would out of his mind crazy to set aside his successful solo career to step into that soap opera for a tour. If they went that route, I would rather see Journey as it is now with W.E.T. as the opener.

A WET/Journey concert would be a pretty good pairing. Doubt it would happen though.

Not interested in JSS in Journey.

Is JSS and Neal on good terms nowadays? I honestly haven't kept up with Journey since probably 2016-ish. The original WET album was one of my favorites from beginning to end. Not one song skipper on the entire album.

[jrnyman28]

Is JSS and Neal on good terms nowadays? I honestly haven't kept up with Journey since probably 2016-ish. The original WET album was one of my favorites from beginning to end. Not one song skipper on the entire album.

JSS is fine. But Neal still gets butt-hurt if JSS mentions anything about how it ended.

[The_Noble_Cause]

If Arnel does bail out, they should go with a female vocalist to end the full circle of Journey.

There is a Journey cover band that does this (probably others too).
Skid Row and Linkin Park currently have female lead vocalists.
That being said, I don't see it working for Journey.

[The_Noble_Cause]

Is JSS and Neal on good terms nowadays? I honestly haven't kept up with Journey since probably 2016-ish. The original WET album was one of my favorites from beginning to end. Not one song skipper on the entire album.

I'd say so.

JSS recently posted a pic of him with Neal after a show. Both smiling. JSS had his arm around Neal.

JSS's FB caption reads: "It's taken 17 years for this photo to happen..."

[Monker]

If Arnel does bail out, they should go with a female vocalist to end the full circle of Journey.

There is a Journey cover band that does this (probably others too).
Skid Row and Linkin Park currently have female lead vocalists.
That being said, I don't see it working for Journey.

I don't think Lzzy Hale in Skid Row was meant to be a permanent change. Halestorm is much bigger than Skid Row ever was. So, I don't see Lzzy ever leaving her band for a band like Skid Row. She has been friends with the guys in Skid Row for a very long time and they needed someone to sing for the last tour. It was sort of a last minute thing. Lzzy told them if they ever needed someone to give her a call...so they did.

Boston is another band that tried the female lead singer. Not with them any longer tho.

If Arnel left, I think it's over. These guys are in their 70's and I can't imagine them wanting to start over again. Maybe do a thing in Vegas with guest singers...and let Neal tour as "Neal Schon's Journey" and do whatever he wants.

[JohnH]

If Arnel does bail out, they should go with a female vocalist to end the full circle of Journey.

There is a Journey cover band that does this (probably others too).
Skid Row and Linkin Park currently have female lead vocalists.
That being said, I don't see it working for Journey.

Boston is another band that tried the female lead singer. Not with them any longer tho.

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Boston has never had a female lead singer. Yes, Kimberly Dahme sang lead on one song on Corporate America and co lead on another. She was the bass player for awhile . Then back up vocals on other tours.
Tommy De Carlo has been the lead singer since 2007. However , it's highly unlikely we will see Boston again and it's been seven years since the last tour. Beth Cohen has been on back vocals, guitar and keys on their last couple of tours.

[brywool]

Man, what happened to AP here was incredibly sad. I refrained from commenting on it here. But to see people kind of go "He should get over himself, grow some balls, etc." - That's also sad to read from 'fans' of the band.

Arnel has faced heavy heavy criticism, a lot of it racial (from ignorant f*ckers that need to go back to whatever hole they crawled out of). "You're not Steve Perry!", "No Steve, No Journey", "Karaoke singer!", "Journey tribute band", and on and on. EVERY. SINGLE. DAY. since he started with Journey. He will never be able to please those fans. And yet, HE is keeping that band alive and the dude goes out and brings whatever he's got in the tank every night.

"Oh, have Deen to sing!" - yeah, let's see Deen do what AP does for 2+ hours every night and not start to get a bit less pristine with the wear and tear. And Deen's a great singer. That's not to take away from Deen, but it's a different deal when you are the guy the band depends on every night or a few in a row over and over and over. I wouldn't wish that gig (ESPECIALLY this gig) on anybody.

From the peanut gallery here- Being a singer can be brutal business. You're putting all of you out there and sometimes (and I know all the voice experts will disagree) your pipes just won't cooperate. But you still gotta get through the show. Especially at that level when entire crews and venue staff are dependent on that income. Now, factor in the Journey drama that's going on with the primaries. Now add the lack of sleep, different environments, bad mixes, etc. Now, you have to go out and perform at 110%. THAT is a TON of pressure and stress. Nothing hurts a singer more than Pressure and Stress. You get tense, you tighten up, and then your voice won't cooperate. If you're an uptight, type A- that stuff'll screw ya.

I saw some videos and press the day after it happened and they were brutal. He really was having issues, but what was he supposed to do, just walk off? Nope, he soldiered on and he entertained the hell out of the majority of the audience from what I saw.

Finally (yay! sorry, too many Mt. Dews...), for those of you still readin'- Arnel seems a very sensitive cat. Sensitivity is important in a singer. Perry was totally sensitive, though they were different guys. Arnel's also humble as hell and he gives a lot back to fans both on stage and off. It's a lot of the reason I like him so much. He's just a cool guy who has earned the right to be there. Remember not so long ago when everyone didn't have a friggin' cell phone to record every gig, post it online, then complain about it within minutes of the gig? Ah, those were the days!

[The_Noble_Cause]

But to see people kind of go "He should get over himself, grow some balls, etc." - That's also sad to read from 'fans' of the band.

This is not the first time Arnel has engaged in such 'woe is me' behavior and offered his resignation publicly or privately. At a certain point, he just becomes the singer who cried wolf. The fact of the matter is, he shared a bad review of his Rio performance and drew attention to it.

You can keep giving him the benefit of the doubt. I'm long past that.

As for the emotional weight of the Steve Perry comparisons... he's the THIRD guy in this role and he's been there now almost two decades. Augeri had death threats, bad reviews, and countless pitchy nights. We never had him seeking sympathy and attention on the BackTalk forums. I can't imagine somebody like Kevin Chalfant doing this if he had an off-night. It's unprofessional.

And the worst part is, it's going to happen again. Because that's what narcissists - like Neal and to a lesser extent, Arnel - do on social media.

[Monker]

Man, what happened to AP here was incredibly sad. I refrained from commenting on it here. But to see people kind of go "He should get over himself, grow some balls, etc." - That's also sad to read from 'fans' of the band.

Well, that is not exactly what I am trying to say. Not trying to speak for a crowd, just me. In my first post in this thread, I compared this to what Caitlin Clark has to put up with in the WNBA. Shortly after I posted that, she was poked in the eye with a handful of 1inch finger nails. She fell to the floor in pain, with no foul call. Her response? "Obviously it didn't feel too good when it happened. But, it is what it is." and totally downplayed it...no complaints about the other player, no complaints about no foul call. No blaming it for her having so many missed shots. It is what it is. And, she played the next game with a black eye...and almost took over the second game for her team in the 4th quarter but had a close loss. And, you could tell she was pissed and absolutely did not want to lose.

The point is, she takes those things to the court and leaves them on the court. THAT is what I wish Arnel would do...take it to the stage and leave it there. If his voice is toast for a show...well, shit happens...and it is what it is. That's all he should need to say. It is the fans on X and such who fight it out. He doesn't need to take part in it. His bandmates should support him...they do not need to rant like Deen did, or blame nonsensical things like Neal did...but just have that same "shit happens" attitude and say they are committed to Arnel...and let the fans argue about it, if they want.

[Onestepper]

Man, what happened to AP here was incredibly sad. I refrained from commenting on it here. But to see people kind of go "He should get over himself, grow some balls, etc." - That's also sad to read from 'fans' of the band.

Arnel has faced heavy heavy criticism, a lot of it racial (from ignorant f*ckers that need to go back to whatever hole they crawled out of). "You're not Steve Perry!", "No Steve, No Journey", "Karaoke singer!", "Journey tribute band", and on and on. EVERY. SINGLE. DAY. since he started with Journey. He will never be able to please those fans. And yet, HE is keeping that band alive and the dude goes out and brings whatever he's got in the tank every night.

"Oh, have Deen to sing!" - yeah, let's see Deen do what AP does for 2+ hours every night and not start to get a bit less pristine with the wear and tear. And Deen's a great singer. That's not to take away from Deen, but it's a different deal when you are the guy the band depends on every night or a few in a row over and over and over. I wouldn't wish that gig (ESPECIALLY this gig) on anybody.

From the peanut gallery here- Being a singer can be brutal business. You're putting all of you out there and sometimes (and I know all the voice experts will disagree) your pipes just won't cooperate. But you still gotta get through the show. Especially at that level when entire crews and venue staff are dependent on that income. Now, factor in the Journey drama that's going on with the primaries. Now add the lack of sleep, different environments, bad mixes, etc. Now, you have to go out and perform at 110%. THAT is a TON of pressure and stress. Nothing hurts a singer more than Pressure and Stress. You get tense, you tighten up, and then your voice won't cooperate. If you're an uptight, type A- that stuff'll screw ya.

I saw some videos and press the day after it happened and they were brutal. He really was having issues, but what was he supposed to do, just walk off? Nope, he soldiered on and he entertained the hell out of the majority of the audience from what I saw.

Finally (yay! sorry, too many Mt. Dews...), for those of you still readin'- Arnel seems a very sensitive cat. Sensitivity is important in a singer. Perry was totally sensitive, though they were different guys. Arnel's also humble as hell and he gives a lot back to fans both on stage and off. It's a lot of the reason I like him so much. He's just a cool guy who has earned the right to be there. Remember not so long ago when everyone didn't have a friggin' cell phone to record every gig, post it online, then complain about it within minutes of the gig? Ah, those were the days!

Whewww...this is a pretty bad take. My goodness.