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Re: Right on!

Postby Saint John » Mon Nov 05, 2007 10:02 am

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Saint John wrote:
The two highlighted sentence parts you quoted from Neal seem pretty true to me. I don't find them to be "cheap shots" nor do they seem vindictive. Merely Neal answering the questions with truthfulness.


They were cheap shots. He's been doing it every chance he gets for years. They may be based it truth, but they also make Neal a hypocrite as well as a vindictive asshole because he's been trying for years to get to re-record the "old stuff".


They're based in truth, but because YOU don't like to face the facts at times, they're cheap shots? The only thing Neal "has been trying for years" is to get Steve Perry to sing with the band and for his fans. Of course Neal wants his pockets padded, but I can also say with a great degree of certainty that he misses working with Steve Perry.
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Re: Right on!

Postby ohsherrie » Mon Nov 05, 2007 10:05 am

Saint John wrote:
ohsherrie wrote:
Saint John wrote:
The two highlighted sentence parts you quoted from Neal seem pretty true to me. I don't find them to be "cheap shots" nor do they seem vindictive. Merely Neal answering the questions with truthfulness.


They were cheap shots. He's been doing it every chance he gets for years. They may be based it truth, but they also make Neal a hypocrite as well as a vindictive asshole because he's been trying for years to get to re-record the "old stuff".


They're based in truth, but because YOU don't like to face the facts at times, they're cheap shots? The only thing Neal "has been trying for years" is to get Steve Perry to sing with the band and for his fans. Of course Neal wants his pockets padded, but I can also say with a great degree of certainty that he misses working with Steve Perry.


Nice try Dan, but I know, that you know, that all Neal has ever tried to do is be the "Star of Journey". He doesn't want any frontman that might overshadow him whether it's Perry, Soto, or Hunsicker.
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Re: Right on!

Postby Saint John » Mon Nov 05, 2007 10:26 am

ohsherrie wrote:
Saint John wrote:
ohsherrie wrote:
Saint John wrote:
The two highlighted sentence parts you quoted from Neal seem pretty true to me. I don't find them to be "cheap shots" nor do they seem vindictive. Merely Neal answering the questions with truthfulness.


They were cheap shots. He's been doing it every chance he gets for years. They may be based it truth, but they also make Neal a hypocrite as well as a vindictive asshole because he's been trying for years to get to re-record the "old stuff".


They're based in truth, but because YOU don't like to face the facts at times, they're cheap shots? The only thing Neal "has been trying for years" is to get Steve Perry to sing with the band and for his fans. Of course Neal wants his pockets padded, but I can also say with a great degree of certainty that he misses working with Steve Perry.


Nice try Dan, but I know, that you know, that all Neal has ever tried to do is be the "Star of Journey". He doesn't want any frontman that might overshadow him whether it's Perry, Soto, or Hunsicker.



That is COMPLETE bullshit. At their height, Steve Perry was clearly the "star" and Neal didn't have ANY problem with it. The only thing Neal has ever been guilty of is being a workaholic and having to try to steer the Journey ship when Steve Perry left at a moment's notice...several times.
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Re: Right on!

Postby ohsherrie » Mon Nov 05, 2007 10:33 am

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ohsherrie wrote:
Saint John wrote:
ohsherrie wrote:
Saint John wrote:
The two highlighted sentence parts you quoted from Neal seem pretty true to me. I don't find them to be "cheap shots" nor do they seem vindictive. Merely Neal answering the questions with truthfulness.


They were cheap shots. He's been doing it every chance he gets for years. They may be based it truth, but they also make Neal a hypocrite as well as a vindictive asshole because he's been trying for years to get to re-record the "old stuff".


They're based in truth, but because YOU don't like to face the facts at times, they're cheap shots? The only thing Neal "has been trying for years" is to get Steve Perry to sing with the band and for his fans. Of course Neal wants his pockets padded, but I can also say with a great degree of certainty that he misses working with Steve Perry.


Nice try Dan, but I know, that you know, that all Neal has ever tried to do is be the "Star of Journey". He doesn't want any frontman that might overshadow him whether it's Perry, Soto, or Hunsicker.



That is COMPLETE bullshit. At their height, Steve Perry was clearly the "star" and Neal didn't have ANY problem with it. The only thing Neal has ever been guilty of is being a workaholic and having to try to steer the Journey ship when Steve Perry left at a moment's notice...several times.


:roll: Ok, go smooch up to Neal's ass if you want to.
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Postby chf34jmac » Mon Nov 05, 2007 10:46 am

Dude, Did you get a "shut the fuck up" buyout from Azoff or something?
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Re: Right on!

Postby Saint John » Mon Nov 05, 2007 10:56 am

ohsherrie wrote:
Saint John wrote:
ohsherrie wrote:
Saint John wrote:
ohsherrie wrote:
Saint John wrote:
The two highlighted sentence parts you quoted from Neal seem pretty true to me. I don't find them to be "cheap shots" nor do they seem vindictive. Merely Neal answering the questions with truthfulness.


They were cheap shots. He's been doing it every chance he gets for years. They may be based it truth, but they also make Neal a hypocrite as well as a vindictive asshole because he's been trying for years to get to re-record the "old stuff".


They're based in truth, but because YOU don't like to face the facts at times, they're cheap shots? The only thing Neal "has been trying for years" is to get Steve Perry to sing with the band and for his fans. Of course Neal wants his pockets padded, but I can also say with a great degree of certainty that he misses working with Steve Perry.


Nice try Dan, but I know, that you know, that all Neal has ever tried to do is be the "Star of Journey". He doesn't want any frontman that might overshadow him whether it's Perry, Soto, or Hunsicker.



That is COMPLETE bullshit. At their height, Steve Perry was clearly the "star" and Neal didn't have ANY problem with it. The only thing Neal has ever been guilty of is being a workaholic and having to try to steer the Journey ship when Steve Perry left at a moment's notice...several times.


:roll: Ok, go smooch up to Neal's ass if you want to.



Here you go again with your refusal to deal with FACTS. Neal would've been perfectly content to let Herbie Herbert steer the ship and Steve Perry to be the frontman. He just wanted to tour, record and play. His idiocy and inability to make any good decisions only came about after Perry fired Herbert and bailed on the rest of the band.
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Postby NealIsGod » Mon Nov 05, 2007 11:02 am

I can't believe people are still rehashing this debate in 2007. Even if Perry did come back, none of them deserve our money anymore.
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Re: Right on!

Postby Rick » Mon Nov 05, 2007 11:05 am

Saint John wrote:
ohsherrie wrote:
Saint John wrote:
ohsherrie wrote:
Saint John wrote:
ohsherrie wrote:
Saint John wrote:
The two highlighted sentence parts you quoted from Neal seem pretty true to me. I don't find them to be "cheap shots" nor do they seem vindictive. Merely Neal answering the questions with truthfulness.


They were cheap shots. He's been doing it every chance he gets for years. They may be based it truth, but they also make Neal a hypocrite as well as a vindictive asshole because he's been trying for years to get to re-record the "old stuff".


They're based in truth, but because YOU don't like to face the facts at times, they're cheap shots? The only thing Neal "has been trying for years" is to get Steve Perry to sing with the band and for his fans. Of course Neal wants his pockets padded, but I can also say with a great degree of certainty that he misses working with Steve Perry.


Nice try Dan, but I know, that you know, that all Neal has ever tried to do is be the "Star of Journey". He doesn't want any frontman that might overshadow him whether it's Perry, Soto, or Hunsicker.



That is COMPLETE bullshit. At their height, Steve Perry was clearly the "star" and Neal didn't have ANY problem with it. The only thing Neal has ever been guilty of is being a workaholic and having to try to steer the Journey ship when Steve Perry left at a moment's notice...several times.


:roll: Ok, go smooch up to Neal's ass if you want to.



Here you go again with your refusal to deal with FACTS. Neal would've been perfectly content to let Herbie Herbert steer the ship and Steve Perry to be the frontman. He just wanted to tour, record and play. His idiocy and inability to make any good decisions only came about after Perry fired Herbert and bailed on the rest of the band.


I agree with both of you on points. I think Neal is a limelight guy, and I think he did take some pot shots at Perry, but I also think he'd be plenty happy with Perry out front. I think he cleaves for the magic that was with Perry. He's not been able to attain that since he left, was fired, you pick. He moved on because he needed to make money.
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Postby Rick » Mon Nov 05, 2007 11:06 am

NealIsGod wrote:I can't believe people are still rehashing this debate in 2007. Even if Perry did come back, none of them deserve our money anymore.


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Postby Saint John » Mon Nov 05, 2007 11:11 am

NealIsGod wrote:I can't believe people are still rehashing this debate in 2007. Even if Perry did come back, none of them deserve our money anymore.



But they deserved it with JSS in the band? Coming on the heels of playing fraudulent concerts? If JSS hadn't become friends with many here it wouldn't have been a big deal. The general public (WELL over 90% of Journey's concert going fans) do not care that they fired Jeff. They know this. I for one, laughed when they canned Augeri and was pissed when they fired Jeff. I now realize that I should've been the same way I was when Perry fired Ross, Smitty and Herbie. Completely indifferent. Keeps you much more sane.
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Postby Rick » Mon Nov 05, 2007 11:24 am

Saint John wrote:
NealIsGod wrote:I can't believe people are still rehashing this debate in 2007. Even if Perry did come back, none of them deserve our money anymore.



But they deserved it with JSS in the band? Coming on the heels of playing fraudulent concerts? If JSS hadn't become friends with many here it wouldn't have been a big deal. The general public (WELL over 90% of Journey's concert going fans) do not care that they fired Jeff. They know this. I for one, laughed when they canned Augeri and was pissed when they fired Jeff. I now realize that I should've been the same way I was when Perry fired Ross, Smitty and Herbie. Completely indifferent. Keeps you much more sane.


I do agree with that. I was a much happier Journey fan before I got here. It's all Andrews fault. :lol: :lol:
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Postby PROPERRY » Mon Nov 05, 2007 11:26 am

Well I know Perry is not coming back to Journey, but if Perry ever came back to Journey, I'd would be there in heart beat to see HIM sing again!!!! :D
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Postby Moon Beam » Mon Nov 05, 2007 11:27 am

Saint John wrote:
NealIsGod wrote:I can't believe people are still rehashing this debate in 2007. Even if Perry did come back, none of them deserve our money anymore.



But they deserved it with JSS in the band?



Can I tell ya something Saint John...........
I despised Augeri when he came in and always referred to him as impostor Steve.
I was the fool for making that assumption as I did end up enjoying songs he recorded.
When Soto stepped on ship I made notice.....glad I did.
Most agree upon seeing this man at the mic, he is filled with energy.
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Re: Right on!

Postby conversationpc » Mon Nov 05, 2007 11:29 am

ohsherrie wrote:
Saint John wrote:That is COMPLETE bullshit. At their height, Steve Perry was clearly the "star" and Neal didn't have ANY problem with it. The only thing Neal has ever been guilty of is being a workaholic and having to try to steer the Journey ship when Steve Perry left at a moment's notice...several times.


:roll: Ok, go smooch up to Neal's ass if you want to.


Saint John is 100% correct. When Perry was in the band, Neal seemingly had no problem with not being the main star in the band. Afterwards is probably a different story.
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Postby Rick » Mon Nov 05, 2007 11:30 am

Moon Beam wrote:
Saint John wrote:
NealIsGod wrote:I can't believe people are still rehashing this debate in 2007. Even if Perry did come back, none of them deserve our money anymore.



But they deserved it with JSS in the band?



Can I tell ya something Saint John...........
I despised Augeri when he came in and always referred to him as impostor Steve.
I was the fool for making that assumption as I did end up enjoying songs he recorded.
When Soto stepped on ship I made notice.....glad I did.
Most agree upon seeing this man at the mic, he is filled with energy.
Lost is my hope for the band I once spoke proud of.


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Re: Right on!

Postby Saint John » Mon Nov 05, 2007 11:38 am

conversationpc wrote:
ohsherrie wrote:
Saint John wrote:That is COMPLETE bullshit. At their height, Steve Perry was clearly the "star" and Neal didn't have ANY problem with it. The only thing Neal has ever been guilty of is being a workaholic and having to try to steer the Journey ship when Steve Perry left at a moment's notice...several times.


:roll: Ok, go smooch up to Neal's ass if you want to.


Saint John is 100% correct. When Perry was in the band, Neal seemingly had no problem with not being the main star in the band. Afterwards is probably a different story.



I have a quote that sits next to my desk. It's from Neal Schon when asked about his guitar playing specific to Journey. "My guitar playing in Journey is an extension of Steve Perry's vocals." Really sounds like a guy that wants to be the "star." :roll:
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Postby squirt1 » Mon Nov 05, 2007 11:59 am

I will go with Jon saying that Neal really wanted his band back. Well he has it back and it has NEVER gone anywhere in 9 yrs and never will. He fired his only viable chance. Never has any fanbase ever seen such a train wreck up close.
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Re: Right on!

Postby bluejeangirl76 » Mon Nov 05, 2007 2:41 pm

ohsherrie wrote:
Saint John wrote:
The two highlighted sentence parts you quoted from Neal seem pretty true to me. I don't find them to be "cheap shots" nor do they seem vindictive. Merely Neal answering the questions with truthfulness.


They were cheap shots. He's been doing it every chance he gets for years. They may be based it truth, but they also make Neal a hypocrite as well as a vindictive asshole because he's been trying for years to get to re-record the "old stuff".



Oh I didn't say they weren't true. I agree with Neal on that - the things he said about Perry were true, but the part where he painted himself and Journey to be the better men because they're out there doing something new, when in fact just months after this interview they canned JSS so they TOO could live in the past, THAT is the part that I find to be completely unnecessary.

Besides, true or otherwise, I think he could have answered questions about the reissues and the DVD without making Perry sound like an asshole. Perry manages to answer questions without taking Neal and the rest of the band down, and in fact, almost always has nothing but respect for him in public statements. I don't really care what either of them says behind closed doors, and I'm sure it isn't nice, but for Neal to publically play down a project that he made money from (or that his wives made money from) like that was plain shitty, imho.

I've looked up the RIAA numbers. The Perry Journey catalog and the Houston DVD waaaaay outsold the post-Perry CDs and that Arrival DVD. And Neal is sitting there playing it down, calling it Perry's attempt to cry "Remember me"? That's bullshit. AND it's a cheap shot. That statement could have ended before that part came out. He's making the guy out to sound like some pathetic asshole (no comments from the peanut gallery!) who's hanging on to the past instead of doing something new, when in fact, Neal and Company and doing the same damn thing.

And this is exactly why I respect both Steves and JSS. You don't hear this kind of b.s. from those guys.
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Re: Right on!

Postby donnaplease » Mon Nov 05, 2007 2:46 pm

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Oh I didn't say they weren't true. I agree with Neal on that - the things he said about Perry were true, but the part where he painted himself and Journey to be the better men because they're out there doing something new, when in fact just months after this interview they canned JSS so they TOO could live in the past, THAT is the part that I find to be completely unnecessary.

Besides, true or otherwise, I think he could have answered questions about the reissues and the DVD without making Perry sound like an asshole. Perry manages to answer questions without taking Neal and the rest of the band down, and in fact, almost always has nothing but respect for him in public statements. I don't really care what either of them says behind closed doors, and I'm sure it isn't nice, but for Neal to publically play down a project that he made money from (or that his wives made money from) like that was plain shitty, imho.

I've looked up the RIAA numbers. The Perry Journey catalog and the Houston DVD waaaaay outsold the post-Perry CDs and that Arrival DVD. And Neal is sitting there playing it down, calling it Perry's attempt to cry "Remember me"? That's bullshit. AND it's a cheap shot. That statement could have ended before that part came out. He's making the guy out to sound like some pathetic asshole (no comments from the peanut gallery!) who's hanging on to the past instead of doing something new, when in fact, Neal and Company and doing the same damn thing.

And this is exactly why I respect both Steves and JSS. You don't hear this kind of b.s. from those guys.


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Re: Right on!

Postby Saint John » Mon Nov 05, 2007 3:27 pm

bluejeangirl76 wrote:
ohsherrie wrote:
Saint John wrote:
The two highlighted sentence parts you quoted from Neal seem pretty true to me. I don't find them to be "cheap shots" nor do they seem vindictive. Merely Neal answering the questions with truthfulness.


They were cheap shots. He's been doing it every chance he gets for years. They may be based it truth, but they also make Neal a hypocrite as well as a vindictive asshole because he's been trying for years to get to re-record the "old stuff".



Oh I didn't say they weren't true. I agree with Neal on that - the things he said about Perry were true, but the part where he painted himself and Journey to be the better men because they're out there doing something new, when in fact just months after this interview they canned JSS so they TOO could live in the past, THAT is the part that I find to be completely unnecessary.

Besides, true or otherwise, I think he could have answered questions about the reissues and the DVD without making Perry sound like an asshole. Perry manages to answer questions without taking Neal and the rest of the band down, and in fact, almost always has nothing but respect for him in public statements. I don't really care what either of them says behind closed doors, and I'm sure it isn't nice, but for Neal to publically play down a project that he made money from (or that his wives made money from) like that was plain shitty, imho.

I've looked up the RIAA numbers. The Perry Journey catalog and the Houston DVD waaaaay outsold the post-Perry CDs and that Arrival DVD. And Neal is sitting there playing it down, calling it Perry's attempt to cry "Remember me"? That's bullshit. AND it's a cheap shot. That statement could have ended before that part came out. He's making the guy out to sound like some pathetic asshole (no comments from the peanut gallery!) who's hanging on to the past instead of doing something new, when in fact, Neal and Company and doing the same damn thing.

And this is exactly why I respect both Steves and JSS. You don't hear this kind of b.s. from those guys.



Neal lives in the past too? Yeah, OK. :roll: Since the TBF fiasco he's recorded Arrival, Red 13, Generations, Pirannha Blues, Electric World, Abraxas Pool, Voice, Eye On You, Soul Sirkus, Planet US and guest appeared on a ton of albums. These are off the top of my head so 1 or 2 might be incorrect as far as being post TBF, but I'm sure I left out a project or two out also. Neal might be a twit when it comes to decision making but there is NO denying that he is always ready to record and move forward. It's not his fault the fans want to hear a certain number of songs only and are not open to the idea of new music.
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Postby NealIsGod » Mon Nov 05, 2007 11:27 pm

It does bother me that Perry would rather re-issue old material than give his fans something new to enjoy. It would have been nice for him to record something other than BG vox over the last 13 or 14 years.
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Postby Moon Beam » Tue Nov 06, 2007 12:25 am

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Postby Arkansas » Tue Nov 06, 2007 12:55 am

If GMC announced that they are going to start making motorcycles, and then a few months down the road, they said, nah we're gonna stick to building trucks. Is that living in the past? Or is it doing what they do best? Wouldn't they just be maintaining integrity to their product line?

I just think that NS & JC realized that Journey is their bread & butter (a lot of others probably had influence too - Azoff/Perry/etc.), and they need to keep their catalogue alive & well. And not just the catalogue, but be true to their music by having a singer that fits their key signature sound...and touring the #ell out of it wherever they can for as long as they can.


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Re: Right on!

Postby Deb » Tue Nov 06, 2007 1:02 am

Saint John wrote:
bluejeangirl76 wrote:
ohsherrie wrote:
Saint John wrote:
The two highlighted sentence parts you quoted from Neal seem pretty true to me. I don't find them to be "cheap shots" nor do they seem vindictive. Merely Neal answering the questions with truthfulness.


They were cheap shots. He's been doing it every chance he gets for years. They may be based it truth, but they also make Neal a hypocrite as well as a vindictive asshole because he's been trying for years to get to re-record the "old stuff".



Oh I didn't say they weren't true. I agree with Neal on that - the things he said about Perry were true, but the part where he painted himself and Journey to be the better men because they're out there doing something new, when in fact just months after this interview they canned JSS so they TOO could live in the past, THAT is the part that I find to be completely unnecessary.

Besides, true or otherwise, I think he could have answered questions about the reissues and the DVD without making Perry sound like an asshole. Perry manages to answer questions without taking Neal and the rest of the band down, and in fact, almost always has nothing but respect for him in public statements. I don't really care what either of them says behind closed doors, and I'm sure it isn't nice, but for Neal to publically play down a project that he made money from (or that his wives made money from) like that was plain shitty, imho.

I've looked up the RIAA numbers. The Perry Journey catalog and the Houston DVD waaaaay outsold the post-Perry CDs and that Arrival DVD. And Neal is sitting there playing it down, calling it Perry's attempt to cry "Remember me"? That's bullshit. AND it's a cheap shot. That statement could have ended before that part came out. He's making the guy out to sound like some pathetic asshole (no comments from the peanut gallery!) who's hanging on to the past instead of doing something new, when in fact, Neal and Company and doing the same damn thing.

And this is exactly why I respect both Steves and JSS. You don't hear this kind of b.s. from those guys.



Neal lives in the past too? Yeah, OK. :roll: Since the TBF fiasco he's recorded Arrival, Red 13, Generations, Pirannha Blues, Electric World, Abraxas Pool, Voice, Eye On You, Soul Sirkus, Planet US and guest appeared on a ton of albums. These are off the top of my head so 1 or 2 might be incorrect as far as being post TBF, but I'm sure I left out a project or two out also. Neal might be a twit when it comes to decision making but there is NO denying that he is always ready to record and move forward. It's not his fault the fans want to hear a certain number of songs only and are not open to the idea of new music.


Bullsh!t, he had a perfect chance to record and move forward with JSS (like VH did) and he blew it. That one still blows me away, after all the rave concert reviews, etc. :? I don't believe he wants to come out from Perry's shadow at all. I think Brian May hit it right on the money!
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Re: Right on!

Postby Saint John » Tue Nov 06, 2007 1:25 am

Deb wrote:
Saint John wrote:
bluejeangirl76 wrote:
ohsherrie wrote:
Saint John wrote:
The two highlighted sentence parts you quoted from Neal seem pretty true to me. I don't find them to be "cheap shots" nor do they seem vindictive. Merely Neal answering the questions with truthfulness.


They were cheap shots. He's been doing it every chance he gets for years. They may be based it truth, but they also make Neal a hypocrite as well as a vindictive asshole because he's been trying for years to get to re-record the "old stuff".



Oh I didn't say they weren't true. I agree with Neal on that - the things he said about Perry were true, but the part where he painted himself and Journey to be the better men because they're out there doing something new, when in fact just months after this interview they canned JSS so they TOO could live in the past, THAT is the part that I find to be completely unnecessary.

Besides, true or otherwise, I think he could have answered questions about the reissues and the DVD without making Perry sound like an asshole. Perry manages to answer questions without taking Neal and the rest of the band down, and in fact, almost always has nothing but respect for him in public statements. I don't really care what either of them says behind closed doors, and I'm sure it isn't nice, but for Neal to publically play down a project that he made money from (or that his wives made money from) like that was plain shitty, imho.

I've looked up the RIAA numbers. The Perry Journey catalog and the Houston DVD waaaaay outsold the post-Perry CDs and that Arrival DVD. And Neal is sitting there playing it down, calling it Perry's attempt to cry "Remember me"? That's bullshit. AND it's a cheap shot. That statement could have ended before that part came out. He's making the guy out to sound like some pathetic asshole (no comments from the peanut gallery!) who's hanging on to the past instead of doing something new, when in fact, Neal and Company and doing the same damn thing.

And this is exactly why I respect both Steves and JSS. You don't hear this kind of b.s. from those guys.



Neal lives in the past too? Yeah, OK. :roll: Since the TBF fiasco he's recorded Arrival, Red 13, Generations, Pirannha Blues, Electric World, Abraxas Pool, Voice, Eye On You, Soul Sirkus, Planet US and guest appeared on a ton of albums. These are off the top of my head so 1 or 2 might be incorrect as far as being post TBF, but I'm sure I left out a project or two out also. Neal might be a twit when it comes to decision making but there is NO denying that he is always ready to record and move forward. It's not his fault the fans want to hear a certain number of songs only and are not open to the idea of new music.


Bullsh!t, he had a perfect chance to record and move forward with JSS (like VH did) and he blew it. That one still blows me away, after all the rave concert reviews, etc. :? I don't believe he wants to come out from Perry's shadow at all. I think Brian May hit it right on the money!



The "rave concert reviews" you speak of dealt mainly with Jeff's onstage performance, something that is completely useless in the studio. 1 of two things happened. Arnel is the new guy going forward and Jeff was replaced by a voice that the band thinks is more true to what the fans want to hear, or Perry will be coming back to sing the American leg of the tour. Either way, the band made a decision that they felt was in their best interest and have moved forward. Nowhere does your piddly example demonstrate that Neal Schon isn't a perpetual recording machine. Cuz he is. Now go listen to that shitty, bastardized GUFF remake. :lol: Talk about living in the past. :twisted:
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Re: Right on!

Postby Red13JoePa » Tue Nov 06, 2007 1:32 am

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The "rave concert reviews" you speak of dealt mainly with Jeff's onstage performance, something that is completely useless in the studio.


I happen to agree with this...the schoolgirl giddy swooning over every twitch off JSS' pinky toe, to the point of utterly ludicrous hyperbole really did a disservice to his actual singing chops which I happen to think were pinpoint perfect to front this band from a studio and live standpoint on a go-forward basis.
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Re: Right on!

Postby Deb » Tue Nov 06, 2007 1:34 am

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Saint John wrote:
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Saint John wrote:
The two highlighted sentence parts you quoted from Neal seem pretty true to me. I don't find them to be "cheap shots" nor do they seem vindictive. Merely Neal answering the questions with truthfulness.


They were cheap shots. He's been doing it every chance he gets for years. They may be based it truth, but they also make Neal a hypocrite as well as a vindictive asshole because he's been trying for years to get to re-record the "old stuff".



Oh I didn't say they weren't true. I agree with Neal on that - the things he said about Perry were true, but the part where he painted himself and Journey to be the better men because they're out there doing something new, when in fact just months after this interview they canned JSS so they TOO could live in the past, THAT is the part that I find to be completely unnecessary.

Besides, true or otherwise, I think he could have answered questions about the reissues and the DVD without making Perry sound like an asshole. Perry manages to answer questions without taking Neal and the rest of the band down, and in fact, almost always has nothing but respect for him in public statements. I don't really care what either of them says behind closed doors, and I'm sure it isn't nice, but for Neal to publically play down a project that he made money from (or that his wives made money from) like that was plain shitty, imho.

I've looked up the RIAA numbers. The Perry Journey catalog and the Houston DVD waaaaay outsold the post-Perry CDs and that Arrival DVD. And Neal is sitting there playing it down, calling it Perry's attempt to cry "Remember me"? That's bullshit. AND it's a cheap shot. That statement could have ended before that part came out. He's making the guy out to sound like some pathetic asshole (no comments from the peanut gallery!) who's hanging on to the past instead of doing something new, when in fact, Neal and Company and doing the same damn thing.

And this is exactly why I respect both Steves and JSS. You don't hear this kind of b.s. from those guys.



Neal lives in the past too? Yeah, OK. :roll: Since the TBF fiasco he's recorded Arrival, Red 13, Generations, Pirannha Blues, Electric World, Abraxas Pool, Voice, Eye On You, Soul Sirkus, Planet US and guest appeared on a ton of albums. These are off the top of my head so 1 or 2 might be incorrect as far as being post TBF, but I'm sure I left out a project or two out also. Neal might be a twit when it comes to decision making but there is NO denying that he is always ready to record and move forward. It's not his fault the fans want to hear a certain number of songs only and are not open to the idea of new music.


Bullsh!t, he had a perfect chance to record and move forward with JSS (like VH did) and he blew it. That one still blows me away, after all the rave concert reviews, etc. :? I don't believe he wants to come out from Perry's shadow at all. I think Brian May hit it right on the money!



The "rave concert reviews" you speak of dealt mainly with Jeff's onstage performance, something that is completely useless in the studio. 1 of two things happened. Arnel is the new guy going forward and Jeff was replaced by a voice that the band thinks is more true to what the fans want to hear, or Perry will be coming back to sing the American leg of the tour. Either way, the band made a decision that they felt was in their best interest and have moved forward. Nowhere does your piddly example demonstrate that Neal Schon isn't a perpetual recording machine. Cuz he is. Now go listen to that shitty, bastardized GUFF remake. :lol: Talk about living in the past. :twisted:


You're the one living in the past, Perry is NOT going to be touring with Journey. :lol: The only reason I brought up the concert reviews is, because I thought that is where they make their money, not on the studio releases.......since Perry anyways. :twisted:
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Re: Right on!

Postby (Crazy)Dulce Lady » Tue Nov 06, 2007 1:44 am

Red13JoePa wrote:
Saint John wrote:
The "rave concert reviews" you speak of dealt mainly with Jeff's onstage performance, something that is completely useless in the studio.


I happen to agree with this...the schoolgirl giddy swooning over every twitch off JSS' pinky toe, to the point of utterly ludicrous hyperbole really did a disservice to his actual singing chops which I happen to think were pinpoint perfect to front this band from a studio and live standpoint on a go-forward basis.


i think every band/celebrity gets a little of this. it may be just a little necessary. sex sells, after all.

but Jeff is the perfect voice, presence, writer, workhorse, fan 'includer'--the best in the business on all points.
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Re: Right on!

Postby Deb » Tue Nov 06, 2007 1:49 am

Red13JoePa wrote:
Saint John wrote:
The "rave concert reviews" you speak of dealt mainly with Jeff's onstage performance, something that is completely useless in the studio.


I happen to agree with this...the schoolgirl giddy swooning over every twitch off JSS' pinky toe, to the point of utterly ludicrous hyperbole really did a disservice to his actual singing chops which I happen to think were pinpoint perfect to front this band from a studio and live standpoint on a go-forward basis.


I agree with you on his singing chops, perfect for live and studio.........but there isn't a damn thing wrong with being sexy too, he's the frontman of a rock band for pete's sake! While I'll agree there is a fawning line.......I see nothing wrong with appreciating great stage presence. :)
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Postby Red13JoePa » Tue Nov 06, 2007 2:51 am

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