Not impressed

[styxman]

Who's this Arnel dude

Howdy stranger.

That's his real name Rick......what a fuckin' strange name that is

What do you think of Arnel?

If I knew who he was I'd be able to give a constructive answer to that.

Seriously though, only time will tell and I'm guessing he'll need a little longer than the Dinosaurs lasted on planet earth...that good enough

[ohsherrie]

You mentioned the word screecher, you said youve never listened or watched, what gave u that concusion? I did not say that you cant state ur opinion. youre very much entitled to one. Im just amazed that someone who supposedly dont like or judging from your posts "hate" the new incarnation, would waste their time posting messages all day at a message board about it. but its your time, your entitled to use it as you please. People are just wondering what the point is. Journey certainly wont change their mind just because OhSherrie said so.

First off, drop that word hate. I'm not going to waste time defending something that somebody else said of me.

What is this "post all day" shit? I seldom ever get a chance to post all day. I post occasionally throughout the day just like everybody else on here who has the opportunity to do so.

I've listened to Arnel on YouTube since his name was first mentioned. I was not impressed. I heard him screech up onto the notes in several of those clips. He's a much better than average singer. He could even be called a good singer. He's not good enough to suit me as a replacement for Steve Perry though.

My point is the same as yours. I'm here to express my opinion. If you don't like my opinion don't read it and don't respond to it. OhSherrie won't miss your interaction.

Who's Steve Perry OS

Hon, he's this old guy who gave those guys who are touring as Journey careers to tour on. Nice to have you back.

[pinkvelvet]

You mentioned the word screecher, you said youve never listened or watched, what gave u that concusion? I did not say that you cant state ur opinion. youre very much entitled to one. Im just amazed that someone who supposedly dont like or judging from your posts "hate" the new incarnation, would waste their time posting messages all day at a message board about it. but its your time, your entitled to use it as you please. People are just wondering what the point is. Journey certainly wont change their mind just because OhSherrie said so.

First off, drop that word hate. I'm not going to waste time defending something that somebody else said of me.

What is this "post all day" shit? I seldom ever get a chance to post all day. I post occasionally throughout the day just like everybody else on here who has the opportunity to do so.

I've listened to Arnel on YouTube since his name was first mentioned. I was not impressed. I heard him screech up onto the notes in several of those clips. He's a much better than average singer. He could even be called a good singer. He's not good enough to suit me as a replacement for Steve Perry though.

My point is the same as yours. I'm here to express my opinion. If you don't like my opinion don't read it and don't respond to it. OhSherrie won't miss your interaction.

um actually when u look at the history of our posts, u were the one who first responded to my post. I mentioned the word hate because it sounds like u do. You said on your older post that Arnel does not have the right to be a topic on this board. That sounds pretty harsh. I dont have anything against you, I dont know u. Im just here to support the band. Im just curious to why (no specific person) would someone who dont like (not hate) something would waste their time posting about it so much. Im not saying you cant, I just think its a waste of time, but thats my opinion.

[ohsherrie]

um actually when u look at the history of our posts, u were the one who first responded to my post. I mentioned the word hate because it sounds like u do. You said on your older post that Arnel does not have the right to be a topic on this board. That sounds pretty harsh. I dont have anything against you, I dont know u. Im just here to support the band.

Yeah, sure, whatever.

Im just curious to why (no specific person) would someone who dont like (not hate) something would waste their time posting about it so much. Im not saying you cant, I just think its a waste of time, but thats my opinion.

I post here because I like to.

Beyond that, I love Journey but hate what the leftovers of Journey are doing to the legacy of Journey and I want to express that.

Pretty much the same as you wanting to express your acceptance of whatever they want to call Journey if they put a singer who can screech up to the high notes in the band.

[AlienC]

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At times I heard a guy abandoning vocal technique and trying too hard. That will lessen with each show.

Yeah, I heard that too. Holding back, incomplete diaphragm extension, lots of throat. That's gonna hurt after awhile. One bad day and that throat will join the others that this material has claimed.
It's hard to listen to the Youtube stuff because the mix is so horrid.

[AlienC]

Who's this Arnel dude

Maybe if you swung on by more often you'd know.
Ok that's my Sunday mud sling, I'll play nice now.

These days I'm in and out quicker than a Journey frontman

BWAHAahahahahahahah , damn, that woke up the cats!

[pinkvelvet]

um actually when u look at the history of our posts, u were the one who first responded to my post. I mentioned the word hate because it sounds like u do. You said on your older post that Arnel does not have the right to be a topic on this board. That sounds pretty harsh. I dont have anything against you, I dont know u. Im just here to support the band.

Yeah, sure, whatever.

Im just curious to why (no specific person) would someone who dont like (not hate) something would waste their time posting about it so much. Im not saying you cant, I just think its a waste of time, but thats my opinion.

I post here because I like to.

Beyond that, I love Journey but hate what the leftovers of Journey are doing to the legacy of Journey and I want to express that.

Pretty much the same as you wanting to express your acceptance of whatever they want to call Journey if they put a singer who can screech up to the high notes in the band.

[pinkvelvet]

um actually when u look at the history of our posts, u were the one who first responded to my post. I mentioned the word hate because it sounds like u do. You said on your older post that Arnel does not have the right to be a topic on this board. That sounds pretty harsh. I dont have anything against you, I dont know u. Im just here to support the band.

Yeah, sure, whatever.

Im just curious to why (no specific person) would someone who dont like (not hate) something would waste their time posting about it so much. Im not saying you cant, I just think its a waste of time, but thats my opinion.

I post here because I like to.

Beyond that, I love Journey but hate what the leftovers of Journey are doing to the legacy of Journey and I want to express that.

Pretty much the same as you wanting to express your acceptance of whatever they want to call Journey if they put a singer who can screech up to the high notes in the band.

ur posts are hillarious. Journey must have burned u so much to cause u to be this bitter over a band. funny stuff. I bet if the band reads this theyll laugh their asses off. move on already, geez

[Playitloudforme]

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At times I heard a guy abandoning vocal technique and trying too hard. That will lessen with each show.

Yeah, I heard that too. Holding back, incomplete diaphragm extension, lots of throat. That's gonna hurt after awhile. One bad day and that throat will join the others that this material has claimed.
It's hard to listen to the Youtube stuff because the mix is so horrid.

Thank you! Glad I wasn't the only one hearing the diaphram garbage.

[finalfight]

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At times I heard a guy abandoning vocal technique and trying too hard. That will lessen with each show.

Yeah, I heard that too. Holding back, incomplete diaphragm extension, lots of throat. That's gonna hurt after awhile. One bad day and that throat will join the others that this material has claimed.
It's hard to listen to the Youtube stuff because the mix is so horrid.

Thank you! Glad I wasn't the only one hearing the diaphram garbage.

No doubt due to nerves. The new clips are already showing a vast improvement.

For all of the faults, vocal, technical or otherwise I enjoyed the excitement of Arnel's first live performance with Journey. The music was really rocking hard too, literally driving the show forward!

[Playitloudforme]

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At times I heard a guy abandoning vocal technique and trying too hard. That will lessen with each show.

Yeah, I heard that too. Holding back, incomplete diaphragm extension, lots of throat. That's gonna hurt after awhile. One bad day and that throat will join the others that this material has claimed.
It's hard to listen to the Youtube stuff because the mix is so horrid.

Thank you! Glad I wasn't the only one hearing the diaphram garbage.

No doubt due to nerves. The new clips are already showing a vast improvement.

For all of the faults, vocal, technical or otherwise I enjoyed the excitemnt of Arnel's first live performance with Journey. The music was really rocking hard too, literally driving the show forward!

Respectfully FF... it may have been due to nerves, and it may be that he isn't 'that' good. Additional shows will determine whether or not it's nerves or not. I have my doubts. Here's the thing (and why I doubt): Trained singers know how to work their diaphram to get the maximum air out without straining. A trained singer might get nervous, but that's when they fall back on their training to breath right, and thereby, sing correctly. If his 'nerves' got to him that bad, he's not that well trained, hence my doubt.

[ohsherrie]

ur posts are hillarious. Journey must have burned u so much to cause u to be this bitter over a band. funny stuff. I bet if the band reads this theyll laugh their asses off. move on already, geez

I think you must have some personal problem with me and I don't think this board is the place for that. I'm through with you (and have been for a long time).

[conversationpc]

I don't know if this is from the first night or what but I have to say this is the best version I've heard of "Faithfully" since Perry was in the band.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ChnCXv7yR1s

[finalfight]

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At times I heard a guy abandoning vocal technique and trying too hard. That will lessen with each show.

Yeah, I heard that too. Holding back, incomplete diaphragm extension, lots of throat. That's gonna hurt after awhile. One bad day and that throat will join the others that this material has claimed.
It's hard to listen to the Youtube stuff because the mix is so horrid.

Thank you! Glad I wasn't the only one hearing the diaphram garbage.

No doubt due to nerves. The new clips are already showing a vast improvement.

For all of the faults, vocal, technical or otherwise I enjoyed the excitemnt of Arnel's first live performance with Journey. The music was really rocking hard too, literally driving the show forward!

Respectfully FF... it may have been due to nerves, and it may be that he isn't 'that' good. Additional shows will determine whether or not it's nerves or not. I have my doubts. Here's the thing (and why I doubt): Trained singers know how to work their diaphram to get the maximum air out without straining. A trained singer might get nervous, but that's when they fall back on their training to breath right, and thereby, sing correctly. If his 'nerves' got to him that bad, he's not that well trained, hence my doubt.

Hey you gotta think positive!

[Saint John]

I don't know if this is from the first night or what but I have to say this is the best version I've heard of "Faithfully" since Perry was in the band.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ChnCXv7yR1s

That's from Vina Del Mar I believe...his first show.

[Deb]

i have no problems with neal & co... just one really... the way they treated jss. they should have handled things much better & more professionally than they did. it's done though... jss has moved on... and is much better off.

I agree. I lost a lot of respect for them after how they treated JSS. But that has nothing to do with Arnel, although his voice just doesn't grab me, he's still a very likable guy it seems. Watching the clips, you can't help but root for him, he's got a contagious little smile and you could see it was a thrill (and nerve racking) getting the chance of a life time performing w/Journey. Vocally he hasn't got the soulfulness and uniqueness that it takes to be one of my favorite vocalists, but I wish him all the best and I think he'll do just fine fronting Journey.

[Playitloudforme]

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At times I heard a guy abandoning vocal technique and trying too hard. That will lessen with each show.

Yeah, I heard that too. Holding back, incomplete diaphragm extension, lots of throat. That's gonna hurt after awhile. One bad day and that throat will join the others that this material has claimed.
It's hard to listen to the Youtube stuff because the mix is so horrid.

Thank you! Glad I wasn't the only one hearing the diaphram garbage.

No doubt due to nerves. The new clips are already showing a vast improvement.

For all of the faults, vocal, technical or otherwise I enjoyed the excitemnt of Arnel's first live performance with Journey. The music was really rocking hard too, literally driving the show forward!

Respectfully FF... it may have been due to nerves, and it may be that he isn't 'that' good. Additional shows will determine whether or not it's nerves or not. I have my doubts. Here's the thing (and why I doubt): Trained singers know how to work their diaphram to get the maximum air out without straining. A trained singer might get nervous, but that's when they fall back on their training to breath right, and thereby, sing correctly. If his 'nerves' got to him that bad, he's not that well trained, hence my doubt.

Hey you gotta think positive!

LOL... I'd love to be able to. I dunno... I dunno man... I'm not saying there wasn't some good in there, there was. But there were an awful lot of yikes in there too.

[Strange Medicine]

Sometimes, I come here and read certain posts and for one ugly moment, I think " universal freedom of speech" is a rather stupid idea.

But then I'll either read my own or SJ's posts and all is right with the world. :p

[Deb]

I don't know if this is from the first night or what but I have to say this is the best version I've heard of "Faithfully" since Perry was in the band.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ChnCXv7yR1s

He did a great job of Faithfully. Gawd me still luvs Deen....such a fun drummer to watch. But what the heck is with Cain, he always looks like he is sucking on a sour candy.

[Strange Medicine]

I don't know if this is from the first night or what but I have to say this is the best version I've heard of "Faithfully" since Perry was in the band.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ChnCXv7yR1s

He did a great job of Faithfully. Gawd me still luvs Deen....such a fun drummer to watch. But what the heck is with Cain, he always looks like he is sucking on a sour candy.

I'm one of the very few people on the forums who is an admitted, open, and avid fan of Jonathan Cain, but he only showed moments of enjoyment during the concert, whereas Neal, Arnel, and Ross were all smiles (I assume Deen was as well, but they only featured the left side of his face [covered by the microphone]). He did smile a lot at the end when they all bowed, but he looked bummed.

[mistiejourney]

i have no problems with neal & co... just one really... the way they treated jss. they should have handled things much better & more professionally than they did. it's done though... jss has moved on... and is much better off.

I agree. I lost a lot of respect for them after how they treated JSS. But that has nothing to do with Arnel, although his voice just doesn't grab me, he's still a very likable guy it seems. Watching the clips, you can't help but root for him, he's got a contagious little smile and you could see it was a thrill (and nerve racking) getting the chance of a life time performing w/Journey. Vocally he hasn't got the soulfulness and uniqueness that it takes to be one of my favorite vocalists, but I wish him all the best and I think he'll do just fine fronting Journey.

Ditto - that is my opinion in a nutshell, and said better than I could have. Arnel will blossom and do fine. Journey will play the same size amphitheaters they played all this time. Except this time someone else can have my seat. Not knockin', just not interested. But it is fun to watch the enthusiasm of those who are excited, Arnel included.

[finalfight]

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At times I heard a guy abandoning vocal technique and trying too hard. That will lessen with each show.

Yeah, I heard that too. Holding back, incomplete diaphragm extension, lots of throat. That's gonna hurt after awhile. One bad day and that throat will join the others that this material has claimed.
It's hard to listen to the Youtube stuff because the mix is so horrid.

Thank you! Glad I wasn't the only one hearing the diaphram garbage.

No doubt due to nerves. The new clips are already showing a vast improvement.

For all of the faults, vocal, technical or otherwise I enjoyed the excitemnt of Arnel's first live performance with Journey. The music was really rocking hard too, literally driving the show forward!

Respectfully FF... it may have been due to nerves, and it may be that he isn't 'that' good. Additional shows will determine whether or not it's nerves or not. I have my doubts. Here's the thing (and why I doubt): Trained singers know how to work their diaphram to get the maximum air out without straining. A trained singer might get nervous, but that's when they fall back on their training to breath right, and thereby, sing correctly. If his 'nerves' got to him that bad, he's not that well trained, hence my doubt.

Hey you gotta think positive!

LOL... I'd love to be able to. I dunno... I dunno man... I'm not saying there wasn't some good in there, there was. But there were an awful lot of yikes in there too.

Just remember the JSS Only the Young yelp! The single worst vocal moment in any Journey concert yet that turned out very, very well...for a time at least!

[ohsherrie]

Just remember the JSS Only the Young yelp!

Jeff should have been allowed to sing the songs his way that night and then taken Journey in a new direction along with that.

The single worst vocal moment in any Journey concert yet that turned out very, very well...for a time at least!

Actually, I'm thinking the single worst is the show just previous to Jeff being called in to save their asses.

[Strange Medicine]

Just remember the JSS Only the Young yelp! The single worst vocal moment in any Journey concert yet that turned out very, very well...for a time at least!

That's just the thing. I'm baffled how certain parties can critique Mr. Pineda for his "hiccups" or mistakes, and yet can turn around and return to their shrine of Mr. Soto and laud him as if he is some sort of infallible vocalist. Like Mr. Augeri, both Arnel and JSS have had moments where they've fallen short of expectations at moments. I preferred my JSS-led concert to the Augeri-led one (due in no small part to the more rocking feel and JSS's considerable showmanship and charisma), but like I've preached and preached, he can't even begin to touch any of the real high notes without sounding like a tortured banshee. He did great on most of the rock songs and the deep, soulful ballads like IBAWY, but he can't touch Arnel's range, and they both share comparable power.

[finalfight]

Just remember the JSS Only the Young yelp! The single worst vocal moment in any Journey concert yet that turned out very, very well...for a time at least!

That's just the thing. I'm baffled how certain parties can critique Mr. Pineda for his "hiccups" or mistakes, and yet can turn around and return to their shrine of Mr. Soto and laud him as if he is some sort of infallible vocalist. Like Mr. Augeri, both Arnel and JSS have had moments where they've fallen short of expectations at moments. I preferred my JSS-led concert to the Augeri-led one (due in no small part to the more rocking feel and JSS's considerable showmanship and charisma), but like I've preached and preached, he can't even begin to touch any of the real high notes without sounding like a tortured banshee. He did great on most of the rock songs and the deep, soulful ballads like IBAWY, but he can't touch Arnel's range, and they both share comparable power.

Good post.

[Deb]

Just remember the JSS Only the Young yelp! The single worst vocal moment in any Journey concert yet that turned out very, very well...for a time at least!

That's just the thing. I'm baffled how certain parties can critique Mr. Pineda for his "hiccups" or mistakes, and yet can turn around and return to their shrine of Mr. Soto and laud him as if he is some sort of infallible vocalist. Like Mr. Augeri, both Arnel and JSS have had moments where they've fallen short of expectations at moments. I preferred my JSS-led concert to the Augeri-led one (due in no small part to the more rocking feel and JSS's considerable showmanship and charisma), but like I've preached and preached, he can't even begin to touch any of the real high notes without sounding like a tortured banshee. He did great on most of the rock songs and the deep, soulful ballads like IBAWY, but he can't touch Arnel's range, and they both share comparable power.

That's just the thing though, RANGE has very little to do with my vocal/musical enjoyment........so all your preaching is just fartin' in the wind to me. I don't care how high a singer can sing, if he/she can sing with soul/passion then I'm sold, period! All 3 of my fave vocalists (SP/JSS/EM) have very different vocal tones, but they all can bring passion to a rocker and soul to a ballad like nobody's business.

[Strange Medicine]

I've realized what my chief complaint is about the Arnel concert. They need to jack up Deen's, Jon's, Ross's, and Neal's microphones. A great deal of Journey's songs require strong back-up vocals. I'm listening to Chain Reaction and it would have scored a perfect 10 if not for this noticeable flaw.

That's just the thing though, RANGE has very little to do with my vocal/musical enjoyment........so all your preaching is just fartin' in the wind to me. I don't care how high a singer can sing, if he/she can sing with soul/passion then I'm sold, period! All 3 of my fave vocalists (SP/JSS/EM) have very different vocal tones, but they all can bring passion to a rocker and soul to a ballad like nobody's business.

I can respect your opinion. But if range escapes your criteria so easily that you can excuse JSS's flinching wails and label it as "just pure magic" like some people do, you and I are at a firm disagreement. I'll be honest, I can't even begin to see how someone would arrive at that conclusion.

[pinkvelvet]

ur posts are hillarious. Journey must have burned u so much to cause u to be this bitter over a band. funny stuff. I bet if the band reads this theyll laugh their asses off. move on already, geez

I think you must have some personal problem with me and I don't think this board is the place for that. I'm through with you (and have been for a long time).

OMG! you must be delusional personal problems? I dont even know you! youre the one who responded to my first post, and therefore I replied back. Youre through with me for a long time? sweety, Ive never talked to u before nor know u personally. u seriously need help. ur right, this will be my last reply to u. Im here to support the band like I said and not waste my time on trivial stuff unlike u.

[finalfight]

Jeff should have been allowed to sing the songs his way that night and then taken Journey in a new direction along with that.

But then it wouldn't have sounded enough like Journey which was already some peoples complaint with that line up. Regardless, Jeff did put his own stamp on the songs in the end whilst still paying tribute to the way they were originally performed.

Actually, I'm thinking the single worst is the show just previous to Jeff being called in to save their asses.

You maybe right, a painful memory for sure. To be fair though any number of singers could have received the call. I wonder if Chalfant would still be with the band now if he had been the one to step up?

Not taking anything away from JSS. I have a great appreciation for his work, just trying to think with Journey style fuzzy logic!

[Deb]

That's just the thing though, RANGE has very little to do with my vocal/musical enjoyment........so all your preaching is just fartin' in the wind to me. I don't care how high a singer can sing, if he/she can sing with soul/passion then I'm sold, period! All 3 of my fave vocalists (SP/JSS/EM) have very different vocal tones, but they all can bring passion to a rocker and soul to a ballad like nobody's business.

I can respect your opinion. But if range escapes your criteria so easily that you can excuse JSS's flinching wails and label it as "just pure magic" like some people do, you and I are at a firm disagreement. I'll be honest, I can't even begin to see how someone would arrive at that conclusion.

Sure, JSS has had vocal hiccups on songs.......every singer does.........even Arnel on the Chile clip, there was notes he didn't hit either. But IMO when he lets it rip with a passionate rocker or a soulful ballad like IBAWY........then ya, it's pretty magical. I think the difference is most guys "hear" a song, most of us women "hear and feel" a song.