Perry wishes the band well!

[Ligzig]

[strangegrey]

Seriously......I could start a poll...even here...asking what people prefered....the retreads or the originals. The folks in favor of the retreads will lose...and I gaurantee that it would turn into a biblical flame war over night.

You know what side I would fall on.
I've actually reburnt all the albums on which a song(s) was redone on Revelation and replaced the original version with the Revelation version, Like my Escape now has the Revelation version of Open Arms and Stone In Love, Frontiers has the Revelation Separate Ways, etc. Only thing I didn't replace was the Generations version of FITH.

Good lord. Seek help, dude!

[Jana]

What do you think of my diversity of style thinking on Arrival? That's my biggest knock on Rev... the songs are homogenized.

I think the diversity of style on Arrival is superb. As I said, I like the album and still listen to it. While Revelation is definitely not as diverse, it has ALWAYS come down to the guy singing for my ears, and Augeri simply doesn't have enough power in his voice. Truthfully, I'd like to hear Arnel sing every song on Arrival. Hell, if we're going to go the re-tread route, why not do it for Augeri as well (although I guess they already did with "Faith In The Heartland", which oddly, I like Augeri's version better)!

I love Arrival but it's not b/c of the sound of his voice like some CDs I love of artists. The tone of Augeri's voice doesn't grab me like Perry's does. In fact, it took me many tries at the CD at first to get past that it isn't Perry, but Augeri's sound is more muted compared to Perry. But I grew to really appreciate the CD and Augeri on it. So many of the songs on Arrival had really such beautiful melody and lyrics and Augeri complimented the songs with his understated vocals and gave a beautiful soulful delivery of them, which is his strength. And Kiss Me Softly where he sings a little richer in vocal tone is where he shines and his vocals stand out more. Whereas, Arnel's voice really does just move me as a great voice on Revelations and I do like the classic feel to Revelations. He just needs to develop more polish in delivery in some areas that Augeri had an edge on him on. I've seen great improvement in that regard this year.

[ttango1]

This thread should be archived. The chaos in here is complete tomfoolery and as such runs a wide spectrum of truths, half-truths, and lies and all points in-between.

Do toes get stepped on? Yes, but at the end of the day, a toe stomp is better than a punch to the face and truth be told, like St. John does, if I ran into you at a Journey concert, whether you were for or against the current lineup, if you're there at a concert with us, we'd drink beers together.

Oh and if you're like me, you'd hope that the pretty ladies would lose some clothes. I mean, it gets hot at Journey Concert.

Oh and for that 11 post or so guy that asked about my even dead I'm more popular that Steve Perry. Bruce Lee is one of those icons who can easily outnumber the voice in terms of fan count.

Steve is The Voice, but Bruce was the MAN.

[Tomulator]

I'm just "proud" because I STARTED THIS THREAD!!

[kgdjpubs]

I love Arrival but it's not b/c of the sound of his voice like some CDs I love of artists. The tone of Augeri's voice doesn't grab me like Perry's does. In fact, it took me many tries at the CD at first to get past that it isn't Perry, but Augeri's sound is more muted compared to Perry. But I grew to really appreciate the CD and Augeri on it. So many of the songs on Arrival had really such beautiful melody and lyrics and Augeri complimented the songs with his understated vocals and gave a beautiful delivery of them. And Kiss Me Softly where he sings a little richer in vocal tone is where he shines and his vocals stand out more. Whereas, Arnel's voice really does just move me as a great voice on Revelations and I do like the classic feel to Revelations. He just needs to develop more polish in delivery in some areas that Augeri had an edge on him on. I've seen great improvement in that regard this year.

I don't think Augeri found his voice until the Red 13 EP. He's got a natural edge to his voice that was pretty muted on Arrival for whatever reason. You get it every now and then (ie Livin to Do), but his vocal style just doesn't come across well. It's almost like he was trying to put more Perry in the song as opposed to just singing it in his natural voice. To me, he sounded much better on Red 13 and Generations.

Arnel is a bit more of a vocal chameleon, which should be no surprise judging from The Zoo covers. He sounds pretty good on just about everything. It will interesting to hear album #2, now that they know his strengths and weaknesses.

[ttango1]

Just as important will be seeing how much Arnel himself will contribute to what Neal calls a "conceptual" album. We need to know if Arnel can become part of the critical thinking process that is songwriting. It will give him and the band more of a foundation to stand on...if it's good. If it's crap, then we all have something to bitch about. Not like we need anything more to get us going because this place is already petrol vapors in a room with no ventilation.

[Behshad]

I'm just "proud" because I STARTED THIS THREAD!!

Damn you!

[epoy]

I'm just "proud" because I STARTED THIS THREAD!!

and i predicted a 10-pager by Friday, hehe...and its not even Friday yet here in the Wasatch...by the way, shouldn't this be downstairs instead?

[Behshad]

Poor Andrew is gonna come here and think

"Bloody hell,,, not another thread that got derailed by Blueskies....Time to lock it down, mate....."


This is the 1st time in a long time a topic has gone over 10 pages without any direct involvement from Mrs Phyl ,,,,yet

[strangegrey]

I don't think Augeri found his voice until the Red 13 EP.

You *do* realize that he had been professionally singing since the late 80s/early 90s?

[strangegrey]

btw, who's the ass muncher responsible for the aspect of the dialog boxes getting blown to hell and back...

....oh, behshad....their new hero. How'd I guess

[Behshad]

btw, who's the ass muncher responsible for the aspect of the dialog boxes getting blown to hell and back...

....oh, behshad....their new hero. How'd I guess

me?

[Jana]

I love Arrival but it's not b/c of the sound of his voice like some CDs I love of artists. The tone of Augeri's voice doesn't grab me like Perry's does. In fact, it took me many tries at the CD at first to get past that it isn't Perry, but Augeri's sound is more muted compared to Perry. But I grew to really appreciate the CD and Augeri on it. So many of the songs on Arrival had really such beautiful melody and lyrics and Augeri complimented the songs with his understated vocals and gave a beautiful delivery of them. And Kiss Me Softly where he sings a little richer in vocal tone is where he shines and his vocals stand out more. Whereas, Arnel's voice really does just move me as a great voice on Revelations and I do like the classic feel to Revelations. He just needs to develop more polish in delivery in some areas that Augeri had an edge on him on. I've seen great improvement in that regard this year.

I don't think Augeri found his voice until the Red 13 EP. He's got a natural edge to his voice that was pretty muted on Arrival for whatever reason. You get it every now and then (ie Livin to Do), but his vocal style just doesn't come across well. It's almost like he was trying to put more Perry in the song as opposed to just singing it in his natural voice. To me, he sounded much better on Red 13 and Generations.

Arnel is a bit more of a vocal chameleon, which should be no surprise judging from The Zoo covers. He sounds pretty good on just about everything. It will interesting to hear album #2, now that they know his strengths and weaknesses.

Re Augeri, look at my signature. Walking Away From the Edge is such a soulful, really stunningly emotional song that I would listen to above most of TBF. Beautiful, haunting song. Great vocals by Augeri and loved Neal on it.

[Michigan Girl]

I'm just "proud" because I STARTED THIS THREAD!!

and i predicted a 10-pager by Friday, hehe...and its not even Friday yet here in the Wasatch...by the way, shouldn't this be downstairs instead?

The Answer to that is HELL NO...!!!!!

[bluejeangirl76]

Damn it Behshad! Go edit out those tomulator cats!
Or at least put line breaks in the post!
You're stretching the page from coast to coast here, hometown.

[journeyrock]

Damn it Behshad! Go edit out those tomulator cats!
Or at least put line breaks in the post!
You're stretching the page from coast to coast here, hometown.

OMG, I love your AV BJG So appropriate for the occasion.

[kgdjpubs]

I don't think Augeri found his voice until the Red 13 EP.

You *do* realize that he had been professionally singing since the late 80s/early 90s?

ok, let me clarify as I figured someone would quote this one...and it does stand out taken out of context.

I don't think Augeri found his voice **with Journey** until the Red 13 EP.

Meaning this....I'm not talking about covering the Perry stuff, I'm talking about new material. I'm very aware of Tall Stories and the Tyketto Shine cd--and had both of them before Arrival was released. It's also quite obvious (at least to me) that Augeri massively changed his vocal style for Arrival, then went back towards what he had been doing on Red 13/Generations. There's an interview with Augeri that mentions this exact point.

http://www.melodicrock.com/interviews/j ... ugeri.html
MR: I tell you what I particularly like on this album. I think your vocals have an added angst to them…a little darker, a little tougher.
SA: What I did before I sang on this record…I had a lot of people always coming up to me during the course of tours with Journey and they'd all bring their Tall Stories records.
And I was always so touched and so moved that they would bring up the record and say how much they liked this song and that song. I remembered what I did a lot more back then was sing a great deal more aggressively…well I had a lot more colour in my voice - just different moods and I wanted to recapture what I used to do with Tall Stories here.
Again, for better or worse, it would be less of a Perry comparison and more of myself and maybe that's what I liked about it.
So once again that's what I did when it was called for within the song.
Where there were tender melodies that needed to be sung, they were there too – just as important.

It's just my own thoughts, but I heard a very muted vocal style of Augeri on Arrival, but heard Augeri on the other albums. That was the gist behind the comment.

[kgdjpubs]

Re Augeri, look at my signature. Walking Away From the Edge is such a soulful, really stunningly emotional song that I would listen to above most of TBF. Beautiful, haunting song. Great vocals by Augeri and loved Neal on it.

Yep. It's one of his best, if not THE best, vocals he did for Journey. It blows my mind that the song got left off Arrival, as it would have been one of the better songs there. It would have been easy to cut one of the other ballads. The vocal is pure Augeri, and THAT is what I didn't hear much of on Arrival.

[annie89509]

The suggestion that many who bought "Revelation" purchased their first Journey album with that purchase is simply moronic! I would venture to guess that the vast majority of so-called fans who made "Revelation" their first Journey purchase bought it simply because of Arnel, and those aren't Journey fans. If you never paid attention to this band when they had the greatest singer on the planet, you're not allowed to call yourself a Journey fan, as far as I'm concerned.

Yep to the bold

you guys are sort of missing the point here. A lot of these fans who like Arnel better weren't even born when ROR was released, and were pretty young for Trial By Fire. Perry's ancient history to them. They never saw him live. For that matter, the last time he performed live they were about 5 years old. Perry is a ghost. The band has been around long enough that there are people who grew up on Augeri or now, Arnel.

Believe it or not, there is a young contingent who likes Journey. There was a young girl (ie ~13) behind me this year who knew every word to the hits. That's someone who may not have even been born the last time Perry released a Journey song. She knew the songs though. Sounds to me like a fan.

Am I missing something here? If a 13-yr old knows all the words to a hit song (originated by SP), then yes she is Journey fan, not just an AP fan.

[strangegrey]

I don't think Augeri found his voice **with Journey** until the Red 13 EP.

I actually knew exactly what you meant. I was just looking to make you do the pushups...

You're entitled to that opinion. I think his work on arrival was stellar. World Gone Wild is mt favorite Journey song without Perry on it. It's a stunningly good song and Augeri kicks anus on it.

But some people will hear music differently. I personally think Red13 is crap. I commonly refer to it as Dead13. The songs aren't there, IMHO.

[kgdjpubs]

The suggestion that many who bought "Revelation" purchased their first Journey album with that purchase is simply moronic! I would venture to guess that the vast majority of so-called fans who made "Revelation" their first Journey purchase bought it simply because of Arnel, and those aren't Journey fans. If you never paid attention to this band when they had the greatest singer on the planet, you're not allowed to call yourself a Journey fan, as far as I'm concerned.

Yep to the bold

you guys are sort of missing the point here. A lot of these fans who like Arnel better weren't even born when ROR was released, and were pretty young for Trial By Fire. Perry's ancient history to them. They never saw him live. For that matter, the last time he performed live they were about 5 years old. Perry is a ghost. The band has been around long enough that there are people who grew up on Augeri or now, Arnel.

Believe it or not, there is a young contingent who likes Journey. There was a young girl (ie ~13) behind me this year who knew every word to the hits. That's someone who may not have even been born the last time Perry released a Journey song. She knew the songs though. Sounds to me like a fan.

Am I missing something here? If a 13-yr old knows all the words to a hit song (originated by SP), then yes she is Journey fan, not just an AP fan.

yes, but one who--due to age--never paid attention to the band with Perry as a singer. THAT was the point.

[annie89509]

Re Augeri, look at my signature. Walking Away From the Edge is such a soulful, really stunningly emotional song that I would listen to above most of TBF. Beautiful, haunting song. Great vocals by Augeri and loved Neal on it.

Yep. It's one of his best, if not THE best, vocals he did for Journey. It blows my mind that the song got left off Arrival, as it would have been one of the better songs there. It would have been easy to cut one of the other ballads. The vocal is pure Augeri, and THAT is what I didn't hear much of on Arrival.

I guess I'm one of the few here who don't find much diversity on Arrival (to be fair, my copy didn't have the 2 rockers added in later). To my ears ...SA's singing was thin and there were a lot of ballads sung with perryisms thrown in there for effect all over the place.

Now WAFTE was unique and great, as well as all the SA-sung songs on Generations.

And, oh, isn't GH cd now up to 14M sold and Revela (3disc) standing at 800K? How is that a relevant comparison?

[kgdjpubs]

I don't think Augeri found his voice **with Journey** until the Red 13 EP.

I actually knew exactly what you meant. I was just looking to make you do the pushups...

Well, thanks for making me write that entire epitaph for nothing then!

You're entitled to that opinion. I think his work on arrival was stellar. World Gone Wild is mt favorite Journey song without Perry on it. It's a stunningly good song and Augeri kicks anus on it.

I think he did good on Arrival. I just preferred the vocals on the later stuff.

On the subject of World Gone Wild, great song that is criminally underappreciated. Amazing how it almost got left off the album.

But some people will hear music differently. I personally think Red13 is crap. I commonly refer to it as Dead13. The songs aren't there, IMHO.

I think there was promise there, but it was generally unfinished with the exception of Walking Away... Tighten the songs up a bit, and write some Journey choruses, and there might have been some classic stuff.

[annie89509]

Believe it or not, there is a young contingent who likes Journey. There was a young girl (ie ~13) behind me this year who knew every word to the hits. That's someone who may not have even been born the last time Perry released a Journey song. She knew the songs though. Sounds to me like a fan.

Am I missing something here? If a 13-yr old knows all the words to a hit song (originated by SP), then yes she is Journey fan, not just an AP fan.

yes, but one who--due to age--never paid attention to the band with Perry as a singer. THAT was the point.

See, I still don't get it. If one heard and liked a Journey hit song enough to memorize the words, then SP's vocals are forever ingrained in the mind -- doesn't matter if you ever knew/saw SP live. It's the vocals that makes the song special. Or am I being too much a loon???

[portland]

This thread is all fucked up....the boxes are way...........................................too long!!!

[annie89509]

This thread is all fucked up....the boxes are way...........................................too long!!!

Yeah, blame Beh for slowing everything down .

[annie89509]

And .... 13 slashes to JoPa for saying he has replaced all the original hits with the re-tread versions. Unbelievable!

[strangegrey]

And .... 13 slashes to JoPa for saying he has replaced all the original hit versions with the re-treads.

13 slashes? In some countries, that's punishable by death...

[Rip Rokken]

Are you suggesting that there are more important things in the world to worry about other than what we discuss here at MR? I dont belive you !

Absolutely, and I can think of two right off the top of my head. JSS & Europe!