Neal VS Jon

[Archetype]

Neal is spending all that money. Most of it is going straight to Lady M. The M stands for money. She's in this for the money. That is why Journey will never stop touring. They gotta keep the money coming in. If something happens where Neal can't tour anymore, he is in real trouble. Once the money dries up, she will divorce Neal's ass and then take half of what he has left.

Yep.

Remember, he’s paying alimony to like 4-5 ex-wives as well as all the lavish shit he’s doing for “Lady M.” He would sink very quickly if something happened to Journey’s touring revenue.

[Monker]

Neal is spending all that money. Most of it is going straight to Lady M. The M stands for money. She's in this for the money. That is why Journey will never stop touring. They gotta keep the money coming in. If something happens where Neal can't tour anymore, he is in real trouble. Once the money dries up, she will divorce Neal's ass and then take half of what he has left.

Yep.

Remember, he’s paying alimony to like 4-5 ex-wives as well as all the lavish shit he’s doing for “Lady M.” He would sink very quickly if something happened to Journey’s touring revenue.

How do you know he is still paying alimony to all of his ex's? Usually, it doesn't last forever but ends after a certain time. In fact, I remember Amber years ago requested an extension and increase in alimony and it was denied, judge telling her to get a job. I doubt he is paying anything in alimony now to any of them.

[Monker]

Just Googling and I found this old article....it's old, but seems to be speaking to today's "issues":

https://www.kqed.org/arts/13805711/as-j ... s-as-usual

Now Herbert says he’s been watching the drama from afar, and is disappointed in the band’s quarreling.

“It’s a tragedy,” Herbert says. “It's all rooted in financial issues, and it's too bad because it could be the undoing of what is a great business.”

Herbert says the band’s problems stem from one source -- Neal Schon. Herbert discovered Schon when he was 15 years old and, after bringing him into the Santana band, he helped the now-guitar hero found Journey in 1973. Herbert has stayed in touch with Schon since parting ways with the band; Schon even sent Herbert YouTube videos of singer Arnel Pineda before the Filipino phenom was brought in as vocalist in 2007. But now Herbert says Schon has taken over the "Steve Perry role" in the band, referencing the former lead singer's divisive tenure.

"For years and years and years, I treated him like a son. Towards the end there, I would introduce him as, 'This is Neal Schon, my son. He just didn't turn out that well.' It would always be good for a laugh," Herbert says. "You know the old saying: half in jest and half serious. But then it was getting more and more serious."
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Days after the articles about Journey’s impending breakup ran, Schon tweeted that he wasn’t mad anymore, and that he was merely concerned about “the band’s legacy.” But for Herbert, the public fighting is just as damaging — and if Schon really cares about the band, he says, he’ll stop quarreling with his bandmates.

“This is the mothership," Herbert says. "Quit fucking around."

[Archetype]

Neal is spending all that money. Most of it is going straight to Lady M. The M stands for money. She's in this for the money. That is why Journey will never stop touring. They gotta keep the money coming in. If something happens where Neal can't tour anymore, he is in real trouble. Once the money dries up, she will divorce Neal's ass and then take half of what he has left.

Yep.

Remember, he’s paying alimony to like 4-5 ex-wives as well as all the lavish shit he’s doing for “Lady M.” He would sink very quickly if something happened to Journey’s touring revenue.

How do you know he is still paying alimony to all of his ex's? Usually, it doesn't last forever but ends after a certain time. In fact, I remember Amber years ago requested an extension and increase in alimony and it was denied, judge telling her to get a job. I doubt he is paying anything in alimony now to any of them.

It might have ended by now I supposed, but it was mentioned here in the past with court documents.

[kmjrr]

Reading Herbie's comments from 2017 along with recent events now make it clear why Herbie, Steve Perry, Steve Smith and Ross voted against Neal at the shareholders meeting.

[Mikele]

But someone has to thank Neal for keeping the wheel running with touring and album recordings. Here 2023 and here we are (at least I am) enjoying a new super great Journey record and looking forward to see the band tour...that's beyond amazing and when it's over it's over forever

[Hollywood]

I have a hard time seeing Neal’s way out of this one. Seems like Jonathan is in the right. I think all the Gregg Rolie hype is just an effort to get under Cain’s skin.

Yes. I have opened my eyes to what is really going on. The last ten years, Neal has been doing stuff to try to piss off Jon. Even when Neal said in concert, "We wrote Lights about San Francisco," Neal didn't do it to piss off Perry. He did it to piss off Jon because Jon had no part in writing that song. So, why did Neal say this at every concert on the tour? He did it because Jon was forced to hear him say it and Jon probably rolled his eyes. Back then, I didn't know what was really happening, but now I do know. I should have known. For the longest time, Jon is way on one side of the stage and Neal is way on the other side for every concert of every tour. Neal never walked over to Jon's side even for one song. This should have told me what was going on.

You like to invent things. There were other arguments going on over the years...Jonathan not wanting to record was one of them.

The bottom line is Jonathan own s50% of Journey's LLC. Neal can't just fire him like he did Steve Smith and Ross Valory - who were just hired employees. If Neal could fire Jonathan he would have a very long time ago. If anything, Jonathan showing up on stage and Neal KNOWING he can't do anything about it I'm sure REALLY pisses Neal off.

Valory and Smith were owners of Nightmare so they couldn't be fired either. They took a buyout after all the legal issues. Schon and Cain's suit had no merit. When that vote happened they lost. Valory and Smith were sneaky, but they won 5-2 and at the end of the day it didn't really give them much more power and no more ownership percent.

Cain was not alone in not wanting to record new music. The Smith, Valory, and management were not onboard either. Neal likes to make records the old fashioned way with a producer in an expensive studio which will run costs up so much they would never make their money back.

[Monker]

Valory and Smith were owners of Nightmare so they couldn't be fired either.

Nothing in that statement is true. The were, and are, in leadership positions on Nightmare's board. They are partial owners in Nightmare because they own stock...as do Neal and Jonathan, and Steve Perry and Herbie.

Valory and Smith could, AND WERE, fired by Neal because Valory and Smith were EMPLOYEES of the LLC that Neal and Jonathan run. Nightmare has nothing to do with it.

They took a buyout after all the legal issues.

I don't think anybody knows the details of the settlement and people are just assuming and guessing.

Schon and Cain's suit had no merit.

I believe it was a knee jerk reaction by Neal after Nightmare made the trademark complaint effectively stopping JTT from earning money off of "Journey". Combine that with losing his leadership position at Nightmare and it just pissed him off enough to want to sue somebody over it.

Also, you can say that Ross's counter suit is without merit because much of it was based on Journey owing them money because they were contracted to do the tour with the Pretenders....a tour which never happened.

When that vote happened they lost. Valory and Smith were sneaky, but they won 5-2 and at the end of the day it didn't really give them much more power and no more ownership percent.

You are assuming what Neal said about a "coup" was a reality. There has been NO proof that Ross and Steve Smith were attempting a 'coup' to take over Journey. IMO, it is just Neal's paranoia and anger inventing things to justify his actions. It is just as likely that Herbie saw how horrible Neal and Jonathan were running Journey and wanted them out of leadership positions at Nightmare.

Cain was not alone in not wanting to record new music. The Smith, Valory, and management were not onboard either. Neal likes to make records the old fashioned way with a producer in an expensive studio which will run costs up so much they would never make their money back.

Neal fired management. As I have said, he could have replaced Steve Smith in the studio. I have not heard that Valory refused to record...but if he did, they could have replaced him in the studio too. They could have recorded the album and toured with Smith and Valory.

Jonathan not wanting to record is a different thing. As half owner of the LLC, Neal NEEDS him to agree in order for it to happen. I think I read somewhere that Jonathan does not want to do another album...so Journey won't be recording again until Jonathan changes his mind or is not longer part of the LLC.

[The_Noble_Cause]

Neal fired management. As I have said, he could have replaced Steve Smith in the studio. I have not heard that Valory refused to record...but if he did, they could have replaced him in the studio too. They could have recorded the album and toured with Smith and Valory.

Jonathan not wanting to record is a different thing. As half owner of the LLC, Neal NEEDS him to agree in order for it to happen. I think I read somewhere that Jonathan does not want to do another album...so Journey won't be recording again until Jonathan changes his mind or is not longer part of the LLC.

Ross is preparing his own new music atm. Whether he was against new Journey music....we don't know. Neal said he was. Could be more BS.

Cain's most recent thoughts on new music are included below.

Cain is more pragmatic about another Journey album after Freedom.

“Yeah,” he says cautiously. “I could do it if I had to. If it was put on me. It would have to warrant it. If this album is not a success, why do another one?”

[The_Noble_Cause]

But someone has to thank Neal for keeping the wheel running with touring and album recordings. Here 2023 and here we are (at least I am) enjoying a new super great Journey record and looking forward to see the band tour...that's beyond amazing and when it's over it's over forever

As much as I enjoy Freedom, I would trade it to have Ross, Smith, and the semblance of an actual band back.

[Memorex]

Neal fired management. As I have said, he could have replaced Steve Smith in the studio. I have not heard that Valory refused to record...but if he did, they could have replaced him in the studio too. They could have recorded the album and toured with Smith and Valory.

Jonathan not wanting to record is a different thing. As half owner of the LLC, Neal NEEDS him to agree in order for it to happen. I think I read somewhere that Jonathan does not want to do another album...so Journey won't be recording again until Jonathan changes his mind or is not longer part of the LLC.

Ross is preparing his own new music atm. Whether he was against new Journey music....we don't know. Neal said he was. Could be more BS.

Cain's most recent thoughts on new music are included below.

Cain is more pragmatic about another Journey album after Freedom.

“Yeah,” he says cautiously. “I could do it if I had to. If it was put on me. It would have to warrant it. If this album is not a success, why do another one?”

I've actually heard a lot of older artists say similar, why make a record if no one is going to buy it? The record companies aren't going to pay for it, so it's out of pocket. Why lose money making a record? That's why more and more artists are doing pre-sales to cover the cost.

[Journey/Survivor]

But someone has to thank Neal for keeping the wheel running with touring and album recordings. Here 2023 and here we are (at least I am) enjoying a new super great Journey record and looking forward to see the band tour...that's beyond amazing and when it's over it's over forever

Great and true post!

[Journey/Survivor]

Cain was not alone in not wanting to record new music. The Smith, Valory, and management were not onboard either. Neal likes to make records the old fashioned way with a producer in an expensive studio which will run costs up so much they would never make their money back.

I guess that Schon is the only one left with any creativity and musical integrity?

I have friends that are musicians who barely make any money from music and they have to have full time jobs that don't pay a whole lot. And they will pay to go into a studio and record music that they will never even attempt to sell. They do it because they love music and want others to hear their music. So they are spending what is a lot of money by their standards to be able to record music that they know they won't make a penny off of.

[Journey/Survivor]

[Neal fired management. As I have said, he could have replaced Steve Smith in the studio. I have not heard that Valory refused to record...but if he did, they could have replaced him in the studio too. They could have recorded the album and toured with Smith and Valory.

The funny thing is that if that's true, then it's the exact opposite of what you would expect from Steve Smith.

Smith is always recording albums that I doubt that he turns a large profit from? We all knew when he returned to Journey that he was not going to stay for very long. In fact he even said it when he returned to Journey, that he was only sticking around a couple of years. He stayed longer than he had originally planned on.

It would have seemed more likely that he would have recorded a new album with Journey but not toured, which is exactly what he did with the Storm for their first album. Instead of touring with Journey he could have been payed for recording the new album with them, and then toured with his Jazz bands which is what he loves most.

[danielb]

I don't think money is an issue to book a studio and release an album. Look at Neal's hotel room bills

[Art Vandelay]

[Neal fired management. As I have said, he could have replaced Steve Smith in the studio. I have not heard that Valory refused to record...but if he did, they could have replaced him in the studio too. They could have recorded the album and toured with Smith and Valory.

The funny thing is that if that's true, then it's the exact opposite of what you would expect from Steve Smith.

Smith is always recording albums that I doubt that he turns a large profit from? We all knew when he returned to Journey that he was not going to stay for very long. In fact he even said it when he returned to Journey, that he was only sticking around a couple of years. He stayed longer than he had originally planned on.

It would have seemed more likely that he would have recorded a new album with Journey but not toured, which is exactly what he did with the Storm for their first album. Instead of touring with Journey he could have been payed for recording the new album with them, and then toured with his Jazz bands which is what he loves most.

Smith has no interest in creating or recording new rock music. He's said that countless times in interviews over the years, going back to when he left the Storm. He came back to Journey in 1996 for the one time reunion (and the expected payoff). He came back a few years ago because the band was in need of a drummer and for what he said was nostalgic reasons (i.e. payoff). He had no intentions of recording new music with them. He said on his own website that he was going to be their touring drummer for two years. Even if they hired a studio drummer for the album, Smith would still have to learn the new parts if he were to still tour. What's the point? That would be my guess why he was against a new record. He had no intentions of being part of that creative process (recording or performing). It's not in his blood anymore.

[Arkansas]

I don't think money is an issue to book a studio and release an album. Look at Neal's hotel room bills

Ha! Isn't that the elephant in the room.
If NS really is some big rock star, who has sold a hundrend million albums, doesn't he have his own money?
Why is he squabbling over a few thousand dollars on a corporate card?
He shouldn't ever need to touch shared plastic, except when it truly is a band expense.


later~

[jestor92]

I don't think money is an issue to book a studio and release an album. Look at Neal's hotel room bills

From a creative standpoint I think a lot of the veteran nostalgia acts are worried about the money first because in this time period music doesn’t sell unless you’re some hot young act. You’re going to be making your money on the road. The fans who are showing up on the road are generally the ones who only know the songs they hear on the radio. So if you’re Journey for example you know that by going on the road is going to earn you a certain amount of net income each year. Now if you’re going to record a new album the money you have saved has to be put toward paying the band, paying the people at the studio, renting a space to record, and other things I’m probably not even aware of. Then you have to use your time for interviews for promotion of the album. When it’s released you probably sell best case 100k copies with little air play. You go on the road play 3-4 new songs that replace the old stuff and your casual fans don’t know the songs and sit there and you possibly lose them and income next time in the market.

I’ve heard some artists such as KISS want an up front payment from the record company to make a new album so it’ll cover their costs, which is why they haven’t made an album in almost 10 years.

What I’ve found funny with Journey fans for all these years is people say Cain not wanting to record new music is the reason they haven’t released more albums. Cain has released 8 pieces of music since 2016. The reason Journey doesn’t release more music is because it’s not financially smart and as a fan I hate it, but I understand it.

[Archetype]

I don't think money is an issue to book a studio and release an album. Look at Neal's hotel room bills

Ha! Isn't that the elephant in the room.
If NS really is some big rock star, who has sold a hundrend million albums, doesn't he have his own money?
Why is he squabbling over a few thousand dollars on a corporate card?
He shouldn't ever need to touch shared plastic, except when it truly is a band expense.


later~

Apparently his spending habits are quite bad.

[Monker]

The Storm, Steve Smith was hired as a session drummer. He had no intention of touring from the start.

TBF, if you read the interviews with him from the time, Steve Smith said he approached it as a session drummer. Essentially, doing what was asked and needed from him...not expecting to contribute to the creative process as he did in the old days. He also had no intentions of being in the band past one album and one tour.

He had an attitude of being detached and non-committed to these bands. I would think he had the same attitude towards Journey. He was just there to do a specific job, play drum on tour...and that is all was willing to do. If he would not learn and play new songs on tour, then that is the point where I think Neal would be very, very justified in letting him go. Also, I would have to ask if Neal would be willing to pay the cost of Steve Smith as a session drummer for a new album...or if he was expecting a bit of a freebie.

[Monker]

I don't think money is an issue to book a studio and release an album. Look at Neal's hotel room bills

From a creative standpoint I think a lot of the veteran nostalgia acts are worried about the money first because in this time period music doesn’t sell unless you’re some hot young act. You’re going to be making your money on the road. The fans who are showing up on the road are generally the ones who only know the songs they hear on the radio. So if you’re Journey for example you know that by going on the road is going to earn you a certain amount of net income each year. Now if you’re going to record a new album the money you have saved has to be put toward paying the band, paying the people at the studio, renting a space to record, and other things I’m probably not even aware of. Then you have to use your time for interviews for promotion of the album. When it’s released you probably sell best case 100k copies with little air play. You go on the road play 3-4 new songs that replace the old stuff and your casual fans don’t know the songs and sit there and you possibly lose them and income next time in the market.

I’ve heard some artists such as KISS want an up front payment from the record company to make a new album so it’ll cover their costs, which is why they haven’t made an album in almost 10 years.

What I’ve found funny with Journey fans for all these years is people say Cain not wanting to record new music is the reason they haven’t released more albums. Cain has released 8 pieces of music since 2016. The reason Journey doesn’t release more music is because it’s not financially smart and as a fan I hate it, but I understand it.

I understand what you are saying. But, how can a band like Styx release an album like "The Mission", which did not burn up the charts, get the label excited that it was a surprise success, ask for another album, "Crash of the Crown" that sells slightly less, and then ask the band to record a third? And, Styx is on one of the big labels, Universal...not a large independent like Journey. I don't see a label like Sony asking Journey for an album.

[Eric]

But someone has to thank Neal for keeping the wheel running with touring and album recordings. Here 2023 and here we are (at least I am) enjoying a new super great Journey record and looking forward to see the band tour...that's beyond amazing and when it's over it's over forever

As much as I enjoy Freedom, I would trade it to have Ross, Smith, and the semblance of an actual band back.

I respectfully strongly disagree. Nothing Journey did 2015-2019 was at all interesting. Short setlist with little to no variation. The 2 shows I saw last year were the best I've seen from them since 2009. And the new music and relevant appearances from the band was a breath of fresh air. Yeah - this drama sucks - but if they were just going to be a boring nostalgia act they needed to have retired anyway. I hope this strife gives the band energy and this leg of the tour is as good as last year. I think I prefer Deen-O on drums anyway, especially with the vocals. I don't know enough about music to notice any difference on bass other than the odd jam (like Marco on La-Do-Da for the Lollapoolaza show). I don't miss the goofy facial expressions. And I would say I was very curious to see Randy Jackson on tour with them.

[Gideon]

The last truly epic Journey year for me by Journey standards was 2014.

I've seen them multiple times since because they're my favorite band, but the concerts have been polished but rote.

That said, Lollapalooza and the Lollapalooza after show were so fucking cool.

[FamilyMan]

But someone has to thank Neal for keeping the wheel running with touring and album recordings. Here 2023 and here we are (at least I am) enjoying a new super great Journey record and looking forward to see the band tour...that's beyond amazing and when it's over it's over forever

As much as I enjoy Freedom, I would trade it to have Ross, Smith, and the semblance of an actual band back.

I respectfully strongly disagree. Nothing Journey did 2015-2019 was at all interesting. Short setlist with little to no variation. The 2 shows I saw last year were the best I've seen from them since 2009. And the new music and relevant appearances from the band was a breath of fresh air. Yeah - this drama sucks - but if they were just going to be a boring nostalgia act they needed to have retired anyway. I hope this strife gives the band energy and this leg of the tour is as good as last year. I think I prefer Deen-O on drums anyway, especially with the vocals. I don't know enough about music to notice any difference on bass other than the odd jam (like Marco on La-Do-Da for the Lollapoolaza show). I don't miss the goofy facial expressions. And I would say I was very curious to see Randy Jackson on tour with them.

I'm with TNC on this one. For all the hype (for what felt like two years' worth) of Freedom, the album was just 'meh' IMO. I was enjoying seeing the Escape-era lineup (sans Perry) in big venues like MSG again. And during the pandemic, with Smitty's own Vital Info indefinitely on hold, I'm sure he would have recorded new music if asked/paid. Smitty always played on Neal's solo albums anyway so why wouldn't he have recorded for Journey with nothing else to do?

[jestor92]

I don't think money is an issue to book a studio and release an album. Look at Neal's hotel room bills

From a creative standpoint I think a lot of the veteran nostalgia acts are worried about the money first because in this time period music doesn’t sell unless you’re some hot young act. You’re going to be making your money on the road. The fans who are showing up on the road are generally the ones who only know the songs they hear on the radio. So if you’re Journey for example you know that by going on the road is going to earn you a certain amount of net income each year. Now if you’re going to record a new album the money you have saved has to be put toward paying the band, paying the people at the studio, renting a space to record, and other things I’m probably not even aware of. Then you have to use your time for interviews for promotion of the album. When it’s released you probably sell best case 100k copies with little air play. You go on the road play 3-4 new songs that replace the old stuff and your casual fans don’t know the songs and sit there and you possibly lose them and income next time in the market.

I’ve heard some artists such as KISS want an up front payment from the record company to make a new album so it’ll cover their costs, which is why they haven’t made an album in almost 10 years.

What I’ve found funny with Journey fans for all these years is people say Cain not wanting to record new music is the reason they haven’t released more albums. Cain has released 8 pieces of music since 2016. The reason Journey doesn’t release more music is because it’s not financially smart and as a fan I hate it, but I understand it.

I understand what you are saying. But, how can a band like Styx release an album like "The Mission", which did not burn up the charts, get the label excited that it was a surprise success, ask for another album, "Crash of the Crown" that sells slightly less, and then ask the band to record a third? And, Styx is on one of the big labels, Universal...not a large independent like Journey. I don't see a label like Sony asking Journey for an album.

There wouldn’t be a 3rd Styx album if the first two didn’t make money for Universal. Universal probably gave the band a fronted deal that was satisfactory for them. Add in they recorded a portion of the album during the pandemic at Shaw’s home studio that probably saved them some cash.

[Hollywood]

Cain was not alone in not wanting to record new music. The Smith, Valory, and management were not onboard either. Neal likes to make records the old fashioned way with a producer in an expensive studio which will run costs up so much they would never make their money back.

I guess that Schon is the only one left with any creativity and musical integrity?

I have friends that are musicians who barely make any money from music and they have to have full time jobs that don't pay a whole lot. And they will pay to go into a studio and record music that they will never even attempt to sell. They do it because they love music and want others to hear their music. So they are spending what is a lot of money by their standards to be able to record music that they know they won't make a penny off of.

Neal wanted the entire band to go into Fantasy Studios, as they always have, to record an album. Him and Valory are the only one that lives in bay area now and Fantasy Studios is incredibly expensive, plus all the travel, hotel, and food costs. Kevin Shirley said Eclipse cost over a million dollars. There is no way to come anywhere near the recouping cost of that. Cain relented when they were all able to record remotely and Neal had access to Narada's studio.

[Monker]

There wouldn’t be a 3rd Styx album if the first two didn’t make money for Universal. Universal probably gave the band a fronted deal that was satisfactory for them. Add in they recorded a portion of the album during the pandemic at Shaw’s home studio that probably saved them some cash.

Correct. So, are we saying that Freedom did not make money for Frontiers and BMG? When I Google'd, I do not find much info on how many copies their albums sold...just on WIKI saying Mission only sold 15,000 in the US...and I do not give much credit to Wiki. Regardless, I doubt it sold much different then Freedom, based on the top 200 chart. So, why is Universal so hyped about Styx but no label is about Journey? What is holding them back? Sales, these internal issues? I know Journey sued Frontiers, which NOBODY seemed to look into. BMG hardly said anything, especially after Journey dropped their management.

[Monker]

Neal wanted the entire band to go into Fantasy Studios, as they always have, to record an album. Him and Valory are the only one that lives in bay area now and Fantasy Studios is incredibly expensive, plus all the travel, hotel, and food costs. Kevin Shirley said Eclipse cost over a million dollars. There is no way to come anywhere near the recouping cost of that. Cain relented when they were all able to record remotely and Neal had access to Narada's studio.

After seeing all this about the credit card, it seems Jonathan is the one who can be financially responsible. I have to wonder if that is more the issue then not wanting to be creative. It seems that if Neal was completely in charge, Journey, and Neal, would be in bankrupt.

[jestor92]

There wouldn’t be a 3rd Styx album if the first two didn’t make money for Universal. Universal probably gave the band a fronted deal that was satisfactory for them. Add in they recorded a portion of the album during the pandemic at Shaw’s home studio that probably saved them some cash.

Correct. So, are we saying that Freedom did not make money for Frontiers and BMG? When I Google'd, I do not find much info on how many copies their albums sold...just on WIKI saying Mission only sold 15,000 in the US...and I do not give much credit to Wiki. Regardless, I doubt it sold much different then Freedom, based on the top 200 chart. So, why is Universal so hyped about Styx but no label is about Journey? What is holding them back? Sales, these internal issues? I know Journey sued Frontiers, which NOBODY seemed to look into. BMG hardly said anything, especially after Journey dropped their management.

How much is Styx seeking for a new album vs how much does Journey want for a new album? Journey is a bigger band so they probably want a bigger check to record. Will the money they make from recording a new album be more or less than they would make from using that time in touring (which is where they get their most money). So what I’m saying it could be a few reasons why they don’t record more.

[Art Vandelay]

An interesting interview with Carmine Appice on making new music.

"There's no money in songwriting anymore. There's no money in selling records. I've got all these gold records on the wall; nobody gets those anymore. And that's how you make money. The only way to make any money today is if you get a song on Netflix or you get a song in a movie," he explained. "That's the only way to get money. 'Cause the streaming business is ridiculously useless."

https://blabbermouth.net/news/carmine-a ... c-business