OT: SADDAM IS DEAD

[Rockindeano]

Dude, stevew...Lula and I would read BT just to see your gay posts. Fast Forward 4 months. You are here and you are a guy for once. No more Steve Augeri praise bullshit. I am proud of you.

You read over there today?

Some excerpts. I can't stop shaking myhead.


"Should not call it replacing a singer. JSS is only half as good as Steve Augeri"

I about wanted to kill myself after reading that one. They still refute tapes were used. They do not accept he can no longer sing. They insist he was replaced by a metal singer.


"I pledge allegiance, to Steve Augeri."

What?

"Neal, not Steve should have been fired."

Ok, that was the clincher.

I am going to beg Neal this week, seriously beg him to shut that fucking place down. It is an embarassment to Journey. If I was a casual fan and stumbled upon that shit, I would HATE Journey. Absolutey embarrassing.

Neal, you should read that shit on the flight out to Frisco. Goddammit, if you can't see the harm your own site does to the Band, then you truly are blind. Seriously folks, I am begging the man Friday night.

[ohsherrie]

Wouldn't ya'll rather hear about Granny's party...

Yep!

[conversationpc]

I am listening to ConversationPC and while I disagree with his stance, I respect his intelligence.

Thank you, sir. I appreciate it.

You're not bad for a shitpile, either.

[frostbite]

The conspiracy theories revolving around the Bush administration are getting as ridiculous as the fake moon landing conspiracies.

The prototype of the world's most powerful telescopic camera has just taken the closest ever photographs of the entire moon's surface. There's nothing there but dust and craters. Draw your own conclusions.

[conversationpc]

The conspiracy theories revolving around the Bush administration are getting as ridiculous as the fake moon landing conspiracies.

The prototype of the world's most powerful telescopic camera has just taken the closest ever photographs of the entire moon's surface. There's nothing there but dust and craters. Draw your own conclusions.

I'll simply re-post something I posted several months ago on this topic...

The moon landing was the brainchild of none other than George W. Bush and was staged in daddy's back yard, utilizing good ol' Texas sand, a few strategically placed paper machet rocks, and a couple of unemployed bums dressed in hazardous waste outfits. They were paid well for their part and are now living comfortably in Vero Beach as part of an exclusive retirement community.

[RedWingFan]

The conspiracy theories revolving around the Bush administration are getting as ridiculous as the fake moon landing conspiracies.

The prototype of the world's most powerful telescopic camera has just taken the closest ever photographs of the entire moon's surface. There's nothing there but dust and craters. Draw your own conclusions.

I can't remember what the show was called, it was an hour long program on cable. They had the main "moon landing hoax kook" They disproved every piece of "evidence" the kook had. They tried to recreate the hoax in a desert at night, with a single light source (floodlight) They even asked the kook for advice on how they could successfully recreate it and he couldn't do it. But at the end of the program, they asked him if he still believed it was a hoax and he said yes. It was sad, his belief in the hoax is who he is, it defines him

[Barb]

It is an embarassment to Journey. If I was a casual fan and stumbled upon that shit, I would HATE Journey. Absolutey embarrassing.

Neal, you should read that shit on the flight out to Frisco. Goddammit, if you can't see the harm your own site does to the Band, then you truly are blind. Seriously folks, I am begging the man Friday night.

I for one hope you succeed on this request. You are exactly right. Read other band forums, then read Back Talk -- Journey looks absolutely insane!

[frostbite]

The conspiracy theories revolving around the Bush administration are getting as ridiculous as the fake moon landing conspiracies.

The prototype of the world's most powerful telescopic camera has just taken the closest ever photographs of the entire moon's surface. There's nothing there but dust and craters. Draw your own conclusions.

I'll simply re-post something I posted several months ago on this topic...

The moon landing was the brainchild of none other than George W. Bush and was staged in daddy's back yard, utilizing good ol' Texas sand, a few strategically placed paper machet rocks, and a couple of unemployed bums dressed in hazardous waste outfits. They were paid well for their part and are now living comfortably in Vero Beach as part of an exclusive retirement community.

I bet you take the bible literally, don't you?

[The_Noble_Cause]

Previous to Dick Cheney, you had Vice Presidents that sat on their backside doing nothing most of the time.

And now we have a Vice President who simply sits on his backside (or on several occasions, laid up on a hospital gurney) commanding needless wars that he himself would never have the gumption to fight.

As Uncle Dick infamously and curtly barked on the issue of Vietnam, “I had other priorities in the '60s than military service."

Yeah, that headline is real specific isn't it? That's akin to putting a headline in the sports section in the beginning of January saying "NFL Playoff Teams Planning on Winning the Super Bowl".

Actually, the headline is pretty extraordinary. As one Bush administration official under the agreement of anonymity exclaimed, “The [FBI] doesn't write a headline like that if it doesn't want to get attention."

You don’t get it, do you, PC?
I am giving your party the kid-glove treatment.
The report attached to the headline in question also went on to specifically and more incriminatingly report that Bin Laden advocated airplane hijackings, and that Al-Qaida supporters were in the United States and the group was likely planning attacks here. And there’s plenty more where that came from.

Keep controverting every little thing I say, PC.
You will only suceed in digging yourself deeper into a hole of permanent irrelevancy - much like the GOP, itself.

As with Journey's use of tapes, I’ve come to accept that Deano and I are simply better informed than others when it comes to these issues.
You can call that a classic textbook case of snooty "liberal elitism" if you like.
Though I prefer to call it a textbook case of Conservatives being as dumb as the shit they rake on their crops.

[fredinator]

That's great; I love that...

[treetopovskaya]

i can think of better things to talk to neal about. like him growing his fro back! he has a year or so before the next tour. @@=C)

classic...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p6NHCwHVHdY

[conversationpc]

As Uncle Dick infamously and curtly barked on the issue of Vietnam, “I had other priorities in the '60s than military service."

On the issue of the Vietnam war, you're absolutely correct on Cheney from what I've been able to gather. He's as much as admitted that he avoided the draft. However, that's totally different than being able to prove that he purposely worked the intelligence to the Administration's benefit so they could concoct a war against Iraq.

Keep controverting every little thing I say, PC.
You will only suceed in digging yourself deeper into a hole of permanent irrelevancy - much like the GOP, itself.

I don't give a flying monkey crack if I'm relevant or not. You're a legend in your own mind and even those fade into obscurity eventually.

As with Journey's use of tapes, I’ve come to accept that Deano and I are simply better informed than others when it comes to these issues.
You can call that a classic textbook case of snooty "liberal elitism" if you like.
Though I prefer to call it a textbook case of Conservatives being as dumb as the shit they rake on their crops.

...or possibly more unintelligent than the inner city denizens who clamor for their food stamps every week so they can buy their case of government cheese.

Since you're so much more intelligent than any conservative, would you please share with us, the unwashed masses, what lofty achievements you've managed to accomplish, what exalted profession you are applying your talents to, and how you've improved society for the good of your fellow man? Please? I'm waiting with baited breath...

[fredinator]

ConversationPC, TNC has been on the board since 2004--I think he's pretty relevant here, and I think he's relevant to a lot of people who post/lurk here. Why did you bring into the debate "inner city denizens who clamor for their food stamps off of the government?" That is a pretty crummy comment...

[conversationpc]

ConversationPC, TNC has been on the board since 2004--I think he's pretty relevant here, and I think he's relevant to a lot of people who post/lurk here.

You're absolutely correct. I retract that comment. As far as it relates to the boards here, he's relevant. I can admit that. My comment has been duly deleted.

Why did you bring into the debate "inner city denizens who clamor for their food stamps off of the government?" That is a pretty crummy comment...

Have you ever lambasted TNC for his many gay bashing jokes, over the top harrassment of Monker, or his constant bashing of "red staters", "stupid conservatives", etc., etc.? No? I didn't think so. You manage to overlook his comments simply because you agree with him politically.

I simply used his own tactic against him to make a point. I no more have anything against inner city folk than I do against those who agree with my political viewpoints. Have you ever spent time working in the inner city to improve the lives of those who don't have it quite so good? I have and let me tell you, it ain't pretty.

Let me know when you're ready to quit being a hypocrite on this issue and call TNC out on the carpet for his "crummy" comments also. In case you need a refresher, you can find many of his best ones here... The_Noble_Cause ~ Greatest Hits, Vol. 1 (WARNING: LONG).

[Saint John]

A pertinent posting from the Internet and various mail groups:

The Hollywood group is at it again! Holding anti-war rallies, screaming about the Bush administration, running ads in major newspapers, defaming the president and his Cabinet every chance they get to anyone and everyone who will listen. They publicly defile them and call them names like "stupid," "morons" and "idiots." Jessica Lange went so far as to tell a crowd in Spain that she hates President Bush and is embarrassed to be an American. So, just how ignorant are the people who run the country? Let's look at the biographies of these "stupid," "ignorant," "moronic" leaders, and then at the celebrities who are castigating them:

President George W. Bush earned a bachelor's degree from Yale University and an MBA from Harvard Business School; served as an F-102 pilot in the Texas Air National Guard; began his career in the oil and gas business in Midland in 1975 and worked in the energy industry until 1986; elected governor on Nov. 8, 1994, with 53.5 percent of the vote. In a historic re-election victory, he became the first Texas governor to be elected to consecutive four-year terms on Nov. 3, 1998, winning 68.6 percent of the vote, with 49 percent of the Hispanic vote, 27 percent of the African-American vote, 27 percent of Democrats and 65 percent of women. (Someone began circulating a false story about his I.Q. being lower than any other president's. If you believed it, you might want to go to URBANLEGENDS.COM and see the truth.)

Vice President Dick Cheney earned a B.A. in 1965 and an M.A. in 1966, both in political science; two years later, he won an American Political Science Association congressional fellowship; chief of staff to Gerald Ford (at age 34) from 1975-77; six-term Republican congressman from Wyoming, 1978-89; secretary of defense to President George Bush, 1989-93; CEO of global energy conglomerate Halliburton. 2. Secretary of State Colin Powell was educated in the New York City public schools, graduating from the City College of New York (CCNY), where he earned a bachelor's degree in geology. He also participated in ROTC at CCNY and received a commission as an Army second lieutenant upon graduation in June 1958; received MBA from George Washington University.

Secretary Colin Powell was a professional soldier for 35 years, during which time he held myriad command and staff positions and rose to the rank of four-star general. His last assignment, from Oct. 1, 1989, to Sept. 30, 1993, was as the 12th chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, the highest military position in the Department of Defense. During this time, he oversaw 28 crises, including Operation Desert Storm in the victorious 1991 Persian Gulf war. Before becoming secretary of state, Powell was chairman of America's Promise - The Alliance for Youth, a national nonprofit organization dedicated to mobilizing people from every sector of American life to build the character and competence of young people. His awards include two Presidential Medals of Freedom, the President's Citizens Medal, the Congressional Gold Medal, the Secretary of State Distinguished Service Medal, and the Secretary of Energy Distinguished Service Medal. Several schools and other institutions have been named in his honor and he holds honorary degrees from universities and colleges across the country.

Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld attended Princeton University on Scholarship (A.B., 1954) and served in the U.S. Navy (1954-57) as a naval aviator; congressional assistant to Rep. Robert Griffin, R-Mich., 1957-59; U.S. Representative, Illinois, 1962-69; assistant to the president, director of the Office of Economic Opportunity, director of the Cost of Living Council, 1969-74; U.S. ambassador to NATO, 1973-74; head of Presidential Transition Team, 1974; assistant to the president, director of White House Office of Operations, White House chief of staff, 1974-77; secretary of defense, 1975-77. Mr. Rumsfeld continued his public service in a variety of federal posts, including: Member of the President's General Advisory Committee on Arms Control (1982 - 1986); Special Presidential Envoy on the Law of the Sea Treaty (1982 - 1983); Senior Advisor to the President's Panel on Strategic Systems (1983 - 1984); Member of the U.S. Joint Advisory Commission on U.S./Japan Relations (1983 - 1984); Special Presidential Envoy to the Middle East (1983 - 1984); Member of the National Commission on Public Service (1987 - 1990); Member of the National Economic Commission (1988 - 1989); Member of the Board of Visitors of the National Defense University (1988 - 1992); Member of the Commission on U.S./Japan Relations (1989 - 1991); and Member of the U.S. Trade Deficit Review Commission (1999 - 2000). Mr. Rumsfeld served as chairman and CEO of General Instrument Corporation from 1990 to 1993. General Instrument Corporation was a leader in broadband transmission, distribution, and access control technologies. Until being sworn in as the 21st secretary of defense, Mr. Rumsfeld served as chairman of the Board of Gilead Sciences Inc., a pharmaceutical company.

Secretary of Homeland Security Tom Ridge was raised in a working class family in veterans' public housing in Erie, Pa. He earned a scholarship to Harvard, graduating with honors in 1967. After his first year at The Dickinson School of Law, he was drafted into the U.S. Army, where he served as an infantry staff sergeant in Vietnam, earning the Bronze Star for valor. After returning to Pennsylvania, he earned his law degree and was in private practice before becoming assistant district attorney in Erie County. He was elected to Congress in 1982. He was the first enlisted Vietnam combat veteran elected to the U.S. House, and was overwhelmingly re-elected six times before becoming governor of the state, serving from 1995 - 2001.

National Security Advisor Condoleezza Rice puts everyone to shame with her credentials on foreign affairs. She earned her bachelor's degree in Political Science, Cum Laude and Phi Beta Kappa, from the University of Denver in 1974; her master's from the University of Notre Dame in 1975; and her Ph.D. from the Graduate School of International Studies at the University of Denver in 1981. (Note: Rice enrolled at the University of Denver at the age of 15, graduated at 19. Both of her advanced degrees are also in political science.) She is a Fellow of the American Academy of Arts and Sciences and has been awarded honorary doctorates from Morehouse College in 1991, the University of Alabama in 1994 and the University of Notre Dame in 1995. At Stanford, she has been a member of the Center for International Security and Arms Control, a Senior Fellow of the Institute for International Studies, and a Fellow (by courtesy) of the Hoover Institution. Her books include "Germany Unified and Europe Transformed" (1995) with Philip Zelikow, "The Gorbachev Era" (1986) with Alexander Dallin and "Uncertain Allegiance: The Soviet Union and the Czechoslovak Army" (1984). She also has written numerous articles on Soviet and East European foreign and defense policy, and has addressed audiences in settings ranging from the U.S. Ambassador's Residence in Moscow to the Commonwealth Club to the 1992 and 2000 Republican National Conventions. From 1989 through March 1991, the period of German reunification and the final days of the Soviet Union, she served in the Bush administration as Director, and then Senior Director, of Soviet and East European Affairs in the National Security Council, and a Special Assistant to the President for National Security Affairs. In 1986, while an International Affairs Fellow of the Council on Foreign Relations, she served as Special Assistant to the Director of the Joint Chiefs of Staff. In 1997, she served on the Federal Advisory Committee on Gender-Integrated Training in the Military. She was a member of the boards of directors for the Chevron Corporation, the Charles Schwab Corporation, the William and Flora Hewlett Foundation, the University of Notre Dame, the International Advisory Council of J.P. Morgan and the San Francisco Symphony Board of Governors. She was a Founding Board member of the Center for a New Generation, an educational support fund for schools in East Palo Alto and East Menlo Park, California and was Vice President of the Boys and Girls Club of the Peninsula. Now that we've gotten that out of the way, who are these celebrities? What type of education do they have? What are their experiences in affairs of state or in national security?

The facts on their educations and backgrounds:

Barbra Streisand: Completed high school Career: Singing and acting

Cher: Dropped out of school in 9th grade Career: Singing and acting

Martin Sheen: Flunked exam to enter University of Dayton Career: Acting

Jessica Lange: Dropped out of college mid-freshman year Career: Acting

Alec Baldwin: Dropped out of George Washington U.Career: Acting

Julia Roberts: Completed high school Career: Acting

Sean Penn: Completed high school Career: Acting

Susan Sarandon: Degree in drama from Catholic University of America in Washington, D.C. Career: Acting

Ed Asner: Completed high school Career: Acting

George Clooney: Dropped out of University of Kentucky Career: Acting

Michael Moore: Dropped out during first year at University of Michigan Career: Movie director

Mike Farrell: Completed high school Career: Acting

Janeane Garofalo: Dropped out of college Career: Stand-up comedy/acting

[fredinator]

Well, I think what irks me about your posts vs. TNC's is the tone you take, not really the content. TNC is (I think) being very over the top and because of that, they're pretty entertaining plus they're pretty insightful. I get something out of them anyway, and you're right, we happen to agree on many things.

He's kind of like the Oscar Wilde of this forum and I really enjoy nearly all of his posts. Yours, on the other hand, seem to me to be lofty, high and mighty, and, sorry, stale. In other words, you kind of remind me of a "blowhard."

I still enjoy your posts about Journey and their music, though...

[stevew2]

Dude, stevew...Lula and I would read BT just to see your gay posts. Fast Forward 4 months. You are here and you are a guy for once. No more Steve Augeri praise bullshit. I am proud of you.

You read over there today?

Some excerpts. I can't stop shaking myhead.


"Should not call it replacing a singer. JSS is only half as good as Steve Augeri"

I about wanted to kill myself after reading that one. They still refute tapes were used. They do not accept he can no longer sing. They insist he was replaced by a metal singer.


"I pledge allegiance, to Steve Augeri."

What?

"Neal, not Steve should have been fired."

Ok, that was the clincher.

I am going to beg Neal this week, seriously beg him to shut that fucking place down. It is an embarassment to Journey. If I was a casual fan and stumbled upon that shit, I would HATE Journey. Absolutey embarrassing.

Neal, you should read that shit on the flight out to Frisco. Goddammit, if you can't see the harm your own site does to the Band, then you truly are blind. Seriously folks, I am begging the man Friday night.

Hey Deano, I had no idea you have been reading my posts at Bt until the "who's gayer" thread. As you know I have been a big SA supporter as you were also. I read your posts before the Lipping started, and you felt the same as I did.{we were both gay and didnt know it} Once I heard and accepted the truth from you, and it was backed up with some proof, I could not support anymore lies,and bullshit. I am still pissed at Steve A and the band. Ill get over it, The music stands on it own,I realized that when I saw Frontiers.Its not the people, its the music. Im not sure where I fit in ,but I know Steve aint coming back, tapes were used, I nobody is going to fire Neal. That is fuckin stupid.I am not trying to kiss your ass,but thanks for your reply. Hello to Lula also

[conversationpc]

Well, I think what irks me about your posts vs. TNC's is the tone you take, not really the content. TNC is (I think) being very over the top and because of that, they're pretty entertaining plus they're pretty insightful. I get something out of them anyway, and you're right, we happen to agree on many things.

He's kind of like the Oscar Wilde of this forum and I really enjoy nearly all of his posts. Yours, on the other hand, seem to me to be lofty, high and mighty, and, sorry, stale. In other words, you kind of remind me of a "blowhard."

It's a matter of perspective. I've taken yours and TNC's posts in the same way, so you guys also come across as a "blowhard" or elitist, that kind of thing.

That being said, I also have to laugh at some of TNC's stuff, so I generally just take what he says with a grain of salt. That's why I created that "Greatest Hits" thread. Some of that stuff is hilarious and I almost peed my pants at some of it.

I still enjoy your posts about Journey and their music, though...

Well, that's good to know. All of us conservatives, regardless of what TNC says, are not stupid or insane.