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Postby RedWingFan » Wed Jul 11, 2007 2:42 pm

RockinDeano wrote:Are you serious? I mean, are you fucking serious? You think Iraq had ANYTHING to do with 9/11? I want your honest answer. If it comes back "yes" I am ging to blow a gasket big time.

Dude, did you see the video of Al-Zarwhoever who said that the war in Iraq is the central front in the war on terrorism? If Iraq is so irrelevant. Why are they there trying to keep Iraqi's from establishing a democratic government? Don't you think that it's important that we do whatever we can to win there? I have news for you that you won't believe, but I'd wager on it. If a democrat wins the White House in '08. They will not pull out the troops!!! Cuz then they'll be seen as responsible for the mayhem that follows...write it down, take a picture, whatever you like Mr. Fuckthefounders
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Postby Rockindeano » Wed Jul 11, 2007 2:42 pm

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RockinDeano wrote:Are you serious? I mean, are you fucking serious? You think Iraq had ANYTHING to do with 9/11? I want your honest answer. If it comes back "yes" I am ging to blow a gasket big time.


Well.. let me say yes and no. Would you listen if I explained? Or, should I not even waste my time?


You would be wasting your time. I already know the GOP talking points. Youy cannot possibly explain Iraq and 9/11 tie in...It is impossible.
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Postby Crazie Scarab » Wed Jul 11, 2007 2:44 pm

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RockinDeano wrote:Are you serious? I mean, are you fucking serious? You think Iraq had ANYTHING to do with 9/11? I want your honest answer. If it comes back "yes" I am ging to blow a gasket big time.


Yes.


Iraq had nothing to do with 9/11. It had to do with power-hunger, greed, and oil. It started out bad, got worse, and now it's a cluster-fuck. Nothing like having a republican president, huh?!?


Is that really what you think? Funny.. somebody was just saying something about talking points. That's right out of the Democrats Talking Points Book!

What is the Democrat solution to the problems we face? Head in sand, ass in the air and take it?
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Postby Rockindeano » Wed Jul 11, 2007 2:48 pm

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RockinDeano wrote:Are you serious? I mean, are you fucking serious? You think Iraq had ANYTHING to do with 9/11? I want your honest answer. If it comes back "yes" I am ging to blow a gasket big time.

Dude, did you see the video of Al-Zarwhoever who said that the war in Iraq is the central front in the war on terrorism? If Iraq is so irrelevant. Why are they there trying to keep Iraqi's from establishing a democratic government? Don't you think that it's important that we do whatever we can to win there? I have news for you that you won't believe, but I'd wager on it. If a democrat wins the White House in '08. They will not pull out the troops!!! Cuz then they'll be seen as responsible for the mayhem that follows...write it down, take a picture, whatever you like Mr. Fuckthefounders


Dude, the US has LOST the war. Get it? We lost. The GOP knows that pulling out the troops before Hillary gets in will help her....it will be a clusterfuck. Bush knows this, as does Rove. They will keep them in there until she gets in, and then it will be on her. You are right, it will be a beehive and everyone knows it. Bush has fucked up the entire world that it will be next to impossible to smooth over the trouble. Bush is the one playing politics with American lives. He is deliberately keeping our boys there because he knows if he pulls out before the 08 election, it's on him.

I would like to see them removed from office, impeached, but politically, it is a bad move. The Dems are going to win anyway, and the people of the US do not want an impeachment, no matter how just it is.
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Postby Blondie » Wed Jul 11, 2007 2:51 pm

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RockinDeano wrote:Are you serious? I mean, are you fucking serious? You think Iraq had ANYTHING to do with 9/11? I want your honest answer. If it comes back "yes" I am ging to blow a gasket big time.

Dude, did you see the video of Al-Zarwhoever who said that the war in Iraq is the central front in the war on terrorism? If Iraq is so irrelevant. Why are they there trying to keep Iraqi's from establishing a democratic government? Don't you think that it's important that we do whatever we can to win there? I have news for you that you won't believe, but I'd wager on it. If a democrat wins the White House in '08. They will not pull out the troops!!! Cuz then they'll be seen as responsible for the mayhem that follows...write it down, take a picture, whatever you like Mr. Fuckthefounders


Dude, the US has LOST the war. Get it? We lost. The GOP knows that pulling out the troops before Hillary gets in will help her....it will be a clusterfuck. Bush knows this, as does Rove. They will keep them in there until she gets in, and then it will be on her. You are right, it will be a beehive and everyone knows it. Bush has fucked up the entire world that it will be next to impossible to smooth over the trouble. Bush is the one playing politics with American lives. He is deliberately keeping our boys there because he knows if he pulls out before the 08 election, it's on him.

I would like to see them removed from office, impeached, but politically, it is a bad move. The Dems are going to win anyway, and the people of the US do not want an impeachment, no matter how just it is.


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Postby RedWingFan » Wed Jul 11, 2007 3:01 pm

RockinDeano wrote:
RaiderFan wrote:
RockinDeano wrote:Are you serious? I mean, are you fucking serious? You think Iraq had ANYTHING to do with 9/11? I want your honest answer. If it comes back "yes" I am ging to blow a gasket big time.

Dude, did you see the video of Al-Zarwhoever who said that the war in Iraq is the central front in the war on terrorism? If Iraq is so irrelevant. Why are they there trying to keep Iraqi's from establishing a democratic government? Don't you think that it's important that we do whatever we can to win there? I have news for you that you won't believe, but I'd wager on it. If a democrat wins the White House in '08. They will not pull out the troops!!! Cuz then they'll be seen as responsible for the mayhem that follows...write it down, take a picture, whatever you like Mr. Fuckthefounders


Dude, the US has LOST the war. Get it? We lost. The GOP knows that pulling out the troops before Hillary gets in will help her....it will be a clusterfuck. Bush knows this, as does Rove. They will keep them in there until she gets in, and then it will be on her. You are right, it will be a beehive and everyone knows it. Bush has fucked up the entire world that it will be next to impossible to smooth over the trouble. Bush is the one playing politics with American lives. He is deliberately keeping our boys there because he knows if he pulls out before the 08 election, it's on him.

I would like to see them removed from office, impeached, but politically, it is a bad move. The Dems are going to win anyway, and the people of the US do not want an impeachment, no matter how just it is.

Dude, just because Harry Reid say's so doesn't make it so. When did Bush say the war on terror would be over before he left office. Could you point me to that? He said it'll last long after he's gone and the country will have to have the resolve to see it through. The pussy Democrat's don't know the meaning of the word nor do bleeding heart "feelers" like you. You know how many men we lost on Normandy or Iwo Jima? Singular battles. We had balls back then. We didn't have CNN or PMSNBC counting up the death toll in glee. If we do end up losing it'll be because people like you and your party will gladly see the country fail as long as it satisfies your hatred for a president
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Postby Crazie Scarab » Wed Jul 11, 2007 3:08 pm

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NoMoJo wrote:
RockinDeano wrote:Are you serious? I mean, are you fucking serious? You think Iraq had ANYTHING to do with 9/11? I want your honest answer. If it comes back "yes" I am ging to blow a gasket big time.


Well.. let me say yes and no. Would you listen if I explained? Or, should I not even waste my time?


You would be wasting your time. I already know the GOP talking points. Youy cannot possibly explain Iraq and 9/11 tie in...It is impossible.


I can do it real fast, Dean. You see, after 911 we could not take any chances. After what, 17 UN resolutions Saddam failed to obey repeatedly. The United Nations, bro.. not the US! The UN was unwilling to ENFORCE their own resolutions. Resolution 1441 called for enforcement. Democrats (DEMOCRATS), along with Republicans voted to take Saddam out, along with the President.

Granted, it has been a tough road since. But, I do believe it has been well worth it. I am deeply saddened by the loss of American soldiers lives. However, they will not have died in vein, if, and only if we continue to seek out and kill terrorists.. AKA insurgents, freedom fighters or what have you, that continue to flood into Iraq.

Notice we have not been hit at home again since 911. Perhaps the terrorists are so busy taking us on in Iraq that they haven't the time?

I guess we could pull out. That's exactly what they want. That would give them time to regroup.

That's exactly what the left wants now, too. They want America to fail under a Republican President.

I'll guarantee you this: IF the Democrats win the White House in 2008 and this war is still going on in Iraq, they will not, under any circumstance pull out of Iraq without victory.

It's just all talk on the part of the left at this point in time. The only reason they want the war over now is so they don't have to deal with it IF they win in 08.
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Postby Crazie Scarab » Wed Jul 11, 2007 3:13 pm

Damn... and I thought we were talking about global cooling or some such shit? :lol:
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Postby Rick » Wed Jul 11, 2007 3:14 pm

RaiderFan wrote:
RockinDeano wrote:
RaiderFan wrote:
RockinDeano wrote:Are you serious? I mean, are you fucking serious? You think Iraq had ANYTHING to do with 9/11? I want your honest answer. If it comes back "yes" I am ging to blow a gasket big time.

Dude, did you see the video of Al-Zarwhoever who said that the war in Iraq is the central front in the war on terrorism? If Iraq is so irrelevant. Why are they there trying to keep Iraqi's from establishing a democratic government? Don't you think that it's important that we do whatever we can to win there? I have news for you that you won't believe, but I'd wager on it. If a democrat wins the White House in '08. They will not pull out the troops!!! Cuz then they'll be seen as responsible for the mayhem that follows...write it down, take a picture, whatever you like Mr. Fuckthefounders


Dude, the US has LOST the war. Get it? We lost. The GOP knows that pulling out the troops before Hillary gets in will help her....it will be a clusterfuck. Bush knows this, as does Rove. They will keep them in there until she gets in, and then it will be on her. You are right, it will be a beehive and everyone knows it. Bush has fucked up the entire world that it will be next to impossible to smooth over the trouble. Bush is the one playing politics with American lives. He is deliberately keeping our boys there because he knows if he pulls out before the 08 election, it's on him.

I would like to see them removed from office, impeached, but politically, it is a bad move. The Dems are going to win anyway, and the people of the US do not want an impeachment, no matter how just it is.

Dude, just because Harry Reid say's so doesn't make it so. When did Bush say the war on terror would be over before he left office. Could you point me to that? He said it'll last long after he's gone and the country will have to have the resolve to see it through. The pussy Democrat's don't know the meaning of the word nor do bleeding heart "feelers" like you. You know how many men we lost on Normandy or Iwo Jima? Singular battles. We had balls back then. We didn't have CNN or PMSNBC counting up the death toll in glee. If we do end up losing it'll be because people like you and your party will gladly see the country fail as long as it satisfies your hatred for a president


It's not just his hatred, hell a whole lot of Republicans don't like him. Bush had a pretty damn high approval rating at one time, and he has squandered that on stupid decisions. He's made the whole world hate the U.S.. All he is doing in Iraq is fighting a losing battle, you know it and so does everyone else. And the world knows what it's all about. The invasion of Iraq never had anything to do with terrorism. It was about controlling oil. And he's failed at that as well. WMD was bullshit from the first time it escaped his mouth. They've found weapons caches, but not one wmd. Iraq wasn't bothering a soul. Saddam was killing some people, but maybe that's they way you have to rule a country that is so religiously emotional. A Democracy will never function in a society as fragmented as theirs. No way.
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Postby Crazie Scarab » Wed Jul 11, 2007 3:19 pm

Rick wrote:
RaiderFan wrote:
RockinDeano wrote:
RaiderFan wrote:
RockinDeano wrote:Are you serious? I mean, are you fucking serious? You think Iraq had ANYTHING to do with 9/11? I want your honest answer. If it comes back "yes" I am ging to blow a gasket big time.

Dude, did you see the video of Al-Zarwhoever who said that the war in Iraq is the central front in the war on terrorism? If Iraq is so irrelevant. Why are they there trying to keep Iraqi's from establishing a democratic government? Don't you think that it's important that we do whatever we can to win there? I have news for you that you won't believe, but I'd wager on it. If a democrat wins the White House in '08. They will not pull out the troops!!! Cuz then they'll be seen as responsible for the mayhem that follows...write it down, take a picture, whatever you like Mr. Fuckthefounders


Dude, the US has LOST the war. Get it? We lost. The GOP knows that pulling out the troops before Hillary gets in will help her....it will be a clusterfuck. Bush knows this, as does Rove. They will keep them in there until she gets in, and then it will be on her. You are right, it will be a beehive and everyone knows it. Bush has fucked up the entire world that it will be next to impossible to smooth over the trouble. Bush is the one playing politics with American lives. He is deliberately keeping our boys there because he knows if he pulls out before the 08 election, it's on him.

I would like to see them removed from office, impeached, but politically, it is a bad move. The Dems are going to win anyway, and the people of the US do not want an impeachment, no matter how just it is.

Dude, just because Harry Reid say's so doesn't make it so. When did Bush say the war on terror would be over before he left office. Could you point me to that? He said it'll last long after he's gone and the country will have to have the resolve to see it through. The pussy Democrat's don't know the meaning of the word nor do bleeding heart "feelers" like you. You know how many men we lost on Normandy or Iwo Jima? Singular battles. We had balls back then. We didn't have CNN or PMSNBC counting up the death toll in glee. If we do end up losing it'll be because people like you and your party will gladly see the country fail as long as it satisfies your hatred for a president


It's not just his hatred, hell a whole lot of Republicans don't like him. Bush had a pretty damn high approval rating at one time, and he has squandered that on stupid decisions. He's made the whole world hate the U.S.. All he is doing in Iraq is fighting a losing battle, you know it and so does everyone else. And the world knows what it's all about. The invasion of Iraq never had anything to do with terrorism. It was about controlling oil. And he's failed at that as well. WMD was bullshit from the first time it escaped his mouth. They've found weapons caches, but not one wmd. Iraq wasn't bothering a soul. Saddam was killing some people, but maybe that's they way you have to rule a country that is so religiously emotional. A Democracy will never function in a society as fragmented as theirs. No way.


Rick.. I like you. You're a cool guy. Tell us, if you will, where is the Presidents approval rating these days? 29%? 30%? Something like that, right?
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Postby Crazie Scarab » Wed Jul 11, 2007 3:22 pm

"Bush has fucked up the entire world."

Damn. How could such a stupid fuck pull that off?
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Postby Rick » Wed Jul 11, 2007 3:23 pm

NoMoJo wrote:
Rick wrote:
RaiderFan wrote:
RockinDeano wrote:
RaiderFan wrote:
RockinDeano wrote:Are you serious? I mean, are you fucking serious? You think Iraq had ANYTHING to do with 9/11? I want your honest answer. If it comes back "yes" I am ging to blow a gasket big time.

Dude, did you see the video of Al-Zarwhoever who said that the war in Iraq is the central front in the war on terrorism? If Iraq is so irrelevant. Why are they there trying to keep Iraqi's from establishing a democratic government? Don't you think that it's important that we do whatever we can to win there? I have news for you that you won't believe, but I'd wager on it. If a democrat wins the White House in '08. They will not pull out the troops!!! Cuz then they'll be seen as responsible for the mayhem that follows...write it down, take a picture, whatever you like Mr. Fuckthefounders


Dude, the US has LOST the war. Get it? We lost. The GOP knows that pulling out the troops before Hillary gets in will help her....it will be a clusterfuck. Bush knows this, as does Rove. They will keep them in there until she gets in, and then it will be on her. You are right, it will be a beehive and everyone knows it. Bush has fucked up the entire world that it will be next to impossible to smooth over the trouble. Bush is the one playing politics with American lives. He is deliberately keeping our boys there because he knows if he pulls out before the 08 election, it's on him.

I would like to see them removed from office, impeached, but politically, it is a bad move. The Dems are going to win anyway, and the people of the US do not want an impeachment, no matter how just it is.

Dude, just because Harry Reid say's so doesn't make it so. When did Bush say the war on terror would be over before he left office. Could you point me to that? He said it'll last long after he's gone and the country will have to have the resolve to see it through. The pussy Democrat's don't know the meaning of the word nor do bleeding heart "feelers" like you. You know how many men we lost on Normandy or Iwo Jima? Singular battles. We had balls back then. We didn't have CNN or PMSNBC counting up the death toll in glee. If we do end up losing it'll be because people like you and your party will gladly see the country fail as long as it satisfies your hatred for a president


It's not just his hatred, hell a whole lot of Republicans don't like him. Bush had a pretty damn high approval rating at one time, and he has squandered that on stupid decisions. He's made the whole world hate the U.S.. All he is doing in Iraq is fighting a losing battle, you know it and so does everyone else. And the world knows what it's all about. The invasion of Iraq never had anything to do with terrorism. It was about controlling oil. And he's failed at that as well. WMD was bullshit from the first time it escaped his mouth. They've found weapons caches, but not one wmd. Iraq wasn't bothering a soul. Saddam was killing some people, but maybe that's they way you have to rule a country that is so religiously emotional. A Democracy will never function in a society as fragmented as theirs. No way.


Rick.. I like you. You're a cool guy. Tell us, if you will, where is the Presidents approval rating these days? 29%? 30%? Something like that, right?


Some polls had it around 90% after 9/11, it was at around 70% when he invaded Iraq, and now it's right where you say it is.
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Postby Crazie Scarab » Wed Jul 11, 2007 3:27 pm

Rick wrote:
NoMoJo wrote:
Rick wrote:
RaiderFan wrote:
RockinDeano wrote:
RaiderFan wrote:
RockinDeano wrote:Are you serious? I mean, are you fucking serious? You think Iraq had ANYTHING to do with 9/11? I want your honest answer. If it comes back "yes" I am ging to blow a gasket big time.

Dude, did you see the video of Al-Zarwhoever who said that the war in Iraq is the central front in the war on terrorism? If Iraq is so irrelevant. Why are they there trying to keep Iraqi's from establishing a democratic government? Don't you think that it's important that we do whatever we can to win there? I have news for you that you won't believe, but I'd wager on it. If a democrat wins the White House in '08. They will not pull out the troops!!! Cuz then they'll be seen as responsible for the mayhem that follows...write it down, take a picture, whatever you like Mr. Fuckthefounders


Dude, the US has LOST the war. Get it? We lost. The GOP knows that pulling out the troops before Hillary gets in will help her....it will be a clusterfuck. Bush knows this, as does Rove. They will keep them in there until she gets in, and then it will be on her. You are right, it will be a beehive and everyone knows it. Bush has fucked up the entire world that it will be next to impossible to smooth over the trouble. Bush is the one playing politics with American lives. He is deliberately keeping our boys there because he knows if he pulls out before the 08 election, it's on him.

I would like to see them removed from office, impeached, but politically, it is a bad move. The Dems are going to win anyway, and the people of the US do not want an impeachment, no matter how just it is.

Dude, just because Harry Reid say's so doesn't make it so. When did Bush say the war on terror would be over before he left office. Could you point me to that? He said it'll last long after he's gone and the country will have to have the resolve to see it through. The pussy Democrat's don't know the meaning of the word nor do bleeding heart "feelers" like you. You know how many men we lost on Normandy or Iwo Jima? Singular battles. We had balls back then. We didn't have CNN or PMSNBC counting up the death toll in glee. If we do end up losing it'll be because people like you and your party will gladly see the country fail as long as it satisfies your hatred for a president


It's not just his hatred, hell a whole lot of Republicans don't like him. Bush had a pretty damn high approval rating at one time, and he has squandered that on stupid decisions. He's made the whole world hate the U.S.. All he is doing in Iraq is fighting a losing battle, you know it and so does everyone else. And the world knows what it's all about. The invasion of Iraq never had anything to do with terrorism. It was about controlling oil. And he's failed at that as well. WMD was bullshit from the first time it escaped his mouth. They've found weapons caches, but not one wmd. Iraq wasn't bothering a soul. Saddam was killing some people, but maybe that's they way you have to rule a country that is so religiously emotional. A Democracy will never function in a society as fragmented as theirs. No way.


Rick.. I like you. You're a cool guy. Tell us, if you will, where is the Presidents approval rating these days? 29%? 30%? Something like that, right?


Some polls had it around 90% after 9/11, it was at around 70% when he invaded Iraq, and now it's right where you say it is.


Do you realize that the Congress's approval rating is at a a first time low of 14%? Who runs the Congress now?
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Postby Rick » Wed Jul 11, 2007 3:31 pm

NoMoJo wrote:
Rick wrote:
NoMoJo wrote:
Rick wrote:
RaiderFan wrote:
RockinDeano wrote:
RaiderFan wrote:
RockinDeano wrote:Are you serious? I mean, are you fucking serious? You think Iraq had ANYTHING to do with 9/11? I want your honest answer. If it comes back "yes" I am ging to blow a gasket big time.

Dude, did you see the video of Al-Zarwhoever who said that the war in Iraq is the central front in the war on terrorism? If Iraq is so irrelevant. Why are they there trying to keep Iraqi's from establishing a democratic government? Don't you think that it's important that we do whatever we can to win there? I have news for you that you won't believe, but I'd wager on it. If a democrat wins the White House in '08. They will not pull out the troops!!! Cuz then they'll be seen as responsible for the mayhem that follows...write it down, take a picture, whatever you like Mr. Fuckthefounders


Dude, the US has LOST the war. Get it? We lost. The GOP knows that pulling out the troops before Hillary gets in will help her....it will be a clusterfuck. Bush knows this, as does Rove. They will keep them in there until she gets in, and then it will be on her. You are right, it will be a beehive and everyone knows it. Bush has fucked up the entire world that it will be next to impossible to smooth over the trouble. Bush is the one playing politics with American lives. He is deliberately keeping our boys there because he knows if he pulls out before the 08 election, it's on him.

I would like to see them removed from office, impeached, but politically, it is a bad move. The Dems are going to win anyway, and the people of the US do not want an impeachment, no matter how just it is.

Dude, just because Harry Reid say's so doesn't make it so. When did Bush say the war on terror would be over before he left office. Could you point me to that? He said it'll last long after he's gone and the country will have to have the resolve to see it through. The pussy Democrat's don't know the meaning of the word nor do bleeding heart "feelers" like you. You know how many men we lost on Normandy or Iwo Jima? Singular battles. We had balls back then. We didn't have CNN or PMSNBC counting up the death toll in glee. If we do end up losing it'll be because people like you and your party will gladly see the country fail as long as it satisfies your hatred for a president


It's not just his hatred, hell a whole lot of Republicans don't like him. Bush had a pretty damn high approval rating at one time, and he has squandered that on stupid decisions. He's made the whole world hate the U.S.. All he is doing in Iraq is fighting a losing battle, you know it and so does everyone else. And the world knows what it's all about. The invasion of Iraq never had anything to do with terrorism. It was about controlling oil. And he's failed at that as well. WMD was bullshit from the first time it escaped his mouth. They've found weapons caches, but not one wmd. Iraq wasn't bothering a soul. Saddam was killing some people, but maybe that's they way you have to rule a country that is so religiously emotional. A Democracy will never function in a society as fragmented as theirs. No way.


Rick.. I like you. You're a cool guy. Tell us, if you will, where is the Presidents approval rating these days? 29%? 30%? Something like that, right?


Some polls had it around 90% after 9/11, it was at around 70% when he invaded Iraq, and now it's right where you say it is.


Do you realize that the Congress's approval rating is at a a first time low of 14%? Who runs the Congress now?


It's down Brian, but it's at 37%, not 14%.
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Postby Crazie Scarab » Wed Jul 11, 2007 3:36 pm

Rick wrote:
NoMoJo wrote:
Rick wrote:
NoMoJo wrote:
Rick wrote:
RaiderFan wrote:
RockinDeano wrote:
RaiderFan wrote:
RockinDeano wrote:Are you serious? I mean, are you fucking serious? You think Iraq had ANYTHING to do with 9/11? I want your honest answer. If it comes back "yes" I am ging to blow a gasket big time.

Dude, did you see the video of Al-Zarwhoever who said that the war in Iraq is the central front in the war on terrorism? If Iraq is so irrelevant. Why are they there trying to keep Iraqi's from establishing a democratic government? Don't you think that it's important that we do whatever we can to win there? I have news for you that you won't believe, but I'd wager on it. If a democrat wins the White House in '08. They will not pull out the troops!!! Cuz then they'll be seen as responsible for the mayhem that follows...write it down, take a picture, whatever you like Mr. Fuckthefounders


Dude, the US has LOST the war. Get it? We lost. The GOP knows that pulling out the troops before Hillary gets in will help her....it will be a clusterfuck. Bush knows this, as does Rove. They will keep them in there until she gets in, and then it will be on her. You are right, it will be a beehive and everyone knows it. Bush has fucked up the entire world that it will be next to impossible to smooth over the trouble. Bush is the one playing politics with American lives. He is deliberately keeping our boys there because he knows if he pulls out before the 08 election, it's on him.

I would like to see them removed from office, impeached, but politically, it is a bad move. The Dems are going to win anyway, and the people of the US do not want an impeachment, no matter how just it is.

Dude, just because Harry Reid say's so doesn't make it so. When did Bush say the war on terror would be over before he left office. Could you point me to that? He said it'll last long after he's gone and the country will have to have the resolve to see it through. The pussy Democrat's don't know the meaning of the word nor do bleeding heart "feelers" like you. You know how many men we lost on Normandy or Iwo Jima? Singular battles. We had balls back then. We didn't have CNN or PMSNBC counting up the death toll in glee. If we do end up losing it'll be because people like you and your party will gladly see the country fail as long as it satisfies your hatred for a president


It's not just his hatred, hell a whole lot of Republicans don't like him. Bush had a pretty damn high approval rating at one time, and he has squandered that on stupid decisions. He's made the whole world hate the U.S.. All he is doing in Iraq is fighting a losing battle, you know it and so does everyone else. And the world knows what it's all about. The invasion of Iraq never had anything to do with terrorism. It was about controlling oil. And he's failed at that as well. WMD was bullshit from the first time it escaped his mouth. They've found weapons caches, but not one wmd. Iraq wasn't bothering a soul. Saddam was killing some people, but maybe that's they way you have to rule a country that is so religiously emotional. A Democracy will never function in a society as fragmented as theirs. No way.


Rick.. I like you. You're a cool guy. Tell us, if you will, where is the Presidents approval rating these days? 29%? 30%? Something like that, right?


Some polls had it around 90% after 9/11, it was at around 70% when he invaded Iraq, and now it's right where you say it is.


Do you realize that the Congress's approval rating is at a a first time low of 14%? Who runs the Congress now?


It's down Brian, but it's at 37%, not 14%.


I'll admit this is a little dated.. http://www.galluppoll.com/content/?ci=27946
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Postby Rick » Wed Jul 11, 2007 3:47 pm

NoMoJo wrote:
Rick wrote:It's down Brian, but it's at 37%, not 14%.


I'll admit this is a little dated.. http://www.galluppoll.com/content/?ci=27946


I read it here, took some time to find it. It was at nearly the same level from 91 to 94 as well.

http://www.usatoday.com/news/washington ... poll_x.htm
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Postby Crazie Scarab » Wed Jul 11, 2007 4:00 pm

Rick wrote:
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Rick wrote:It's down Brian, but it's at 37%, not 14%.


I'll admit this is a little dated.. http://www.galluppoll.com/content/?ci=27946


I read it here, took some time to find it. It was at nearly the same level from 91 to 94 as well.

http://www.usatoday.com/news/washington ... poll_x.htm


True. It's nearly the same level as before. Only less. However, take into consideration the approval rating for our military. That is the story teller. Things just aren't what the media is saying and wants us all to believe. They always comment on how low Bush's approval rating is. Do they ever comment of Congress's approval rating? Our military? Of course not. That would not work with their intended agenda. The media is so transparent these days as to what they are up to, I'm really quite surprised so many people buy their propaganda hook, line and sinker.
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Postby RedWingFan » Wed Jul 11, 2007 4:02 pm

Rick wrote:Some polls had it around 90% after 9/11, it was at around 70% when he invaded Iraq, and now it's right where you say it is.

Yeah, Clinton had it all figured out. He had his high approval #'s. Took terrorist attack after attack, and didn't do a damn thing. Except prosecute someone here or there. GAVE nuclear technology to North Korea, then sent Madaline Albright on Meet the Press to say, "they tricked us". But he kept his high approval. That's a much better way to go about it huh Rick? Never mind Bin Laden putting plan b into motion after the '93 attack failed to kill more than a handful of Americans. At least Bush had the balls to try to fight back.
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Postby Crazie Scarab » Wed Jul 11, 2007 4:10 pm

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Rick wrote:At least Bush had the balls to try to fight back.


I'd just as soon not talk about Bushs' balls.. if you don't mind.. :lol:

Let's talk about the climate! Damn, it's cool here tonite! I think I might have to pull a blanket over my ankles! :D
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Postby Rick » Wed Jul 11, 2007 4:35 pm

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Rick wrote:Some polls had it around 90% after 9/11, it was at around 70% when he invaded Iraq, and now it's right where you say it is.

Yeah, Clinton had it all figured out. He had his high approval #'s. Took terrorist attack after attack, and didn't do a damn thing. Except prosecute someone here or there. GAVE nuclear technology to North Korea, then sent Madaline Albright on Meet the Press to say, "they tricked us". But he kept his high approval. That's a much better way to go about it huh Rick? Never mind Bin Laden putting plan b into motion after the '93 attack failed to kill more than a handful of Americans. At least Bush had the balls to try to fight back.


Your sig keeps me from caring what you have to say. The attacks happened on Bush's watch, not Clinton's. Clinton's' administration endured attacks as well, but nothing as bad as what happened on Bush's watch. Then the Bush controlled military failed to engage anything for at least a half hour, and one plane was let fly for over an hour and a half with no military engagement. On a normal day an aircraft is engaged within 10 minutes of losing contact with ATC.

Anyone that still believes in Bush is in a huge minority. His approval rating is about 30%, maybe less. He has the world hating the U.S. And when everyone is against you, odds are you're wrong.

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Postby Crazie Scarab » Wed Jul 11, 2007 4:42 pm

Rick wrote:Anyone that still believes in Bush is in a huge minority. His approval rating is about 30%, maybe less. He has the world hating the U.S. And when everyone is against you, odds are you're wrong.


Bill Clinton won his presidency with 34% of the vote.

The media would have you believe the world hates us. Of course, that will all change immediatly if Hilary is elected in 08. All of a sudden, America will be the best it's ever been! I fully understand! :D
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Postby Rockindeano » Wed Jul 11, 2007 4:44 pm

Rick, I don't know how you do it. I can't believe the spin they are throwing at me here. They aren't that dumb, in fact Raider and Mojo seem very smart, but their argument is so weak.

Again, I just can't keep this up. They have Hannity in their ears...Oh I would love to get him one on one on Faux News....
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Postby Crazie Scarab » Wed Jul 11, 2007 4:47 pm

RockinDeano wrote:Rick, I don't know ha\ow you do it. I can't believe the spin they are throwing at me here. They aren't that dumb, in fact Raider and Mojo seem very smart, but their argument is so weak.

Again, I just can't keep this up. They have Hannity in their ears...Oh I would love to get him one on one on Faux News....


LOL! Deano.. I love ya, man! Even though you're wrong, politically speaking. :P
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Postby Rockindeano » Wed Jul 11, 2007 4:57 pm

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RockinDeano wrote:Rick, I don't know ha\ow you do it. I can't believe the spin they are throwing at me here. They aren't that dumb, in fact Raider and Mojo seem very smart, but their argument is so weak.

Again, I just can't keep this up. They have Hannity in their ears...Oh I would love to get him one on one on Faux News....


LOL! Deano.. I love ya, man! Even though you're wrong, politically speaking. :P


First off, I noticed a bunch of my posts have misspelling and bs typos....I am on a fuckin laptop and my giant pussy fuckin fingers are too big so I apologize.

i like you too Mojo, and I like Raiderfan too, but he is relentless, and is trying to fuck up the BA forum with politics... :roll: I like Skylorde too, but Barb pisses the shit out of me.

I am NOT wrong politically, as the country has spoken and I am in the majority.

1- Joe Lieberman is an asshole.

2- McCain is history after today.

3- Hillary is the next president.

4- I am never wrong here. :lol:
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Postby JrnySuxBalls » Wed Jul 11, 2007 5:06 pm

RockinDeano wrote:They have Hannity in their ears...Oh I would love to get him one on one on Faux News....

Does anybody really watch that Bush Infomerical channel anymore? :?:
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Postby Rockindeano » Wed Jul 11, 2007 5:41 pm

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Holy Crap Deano! Did you actually say that Hillary will get into office?


Absolutely. She is your next president, unless Rove smears her on lies and deception, but this time around, we got James Carville...He will nutralize that dirty sonofabitch Rove(who should be in jail).

Hell Yes! I want Hillary, and would work on her campaign if asked.
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Postby The_Noble_Cause » Wed Jul 11, 2007 5:58 pm

Saint John wrote:Al Qaeda and the Taliban would LOVE to go back to the good old days of not being bothered while they planned our demise.


Yes, let’s take a look at both respective administrations in the lead up to 9-11 and see who’s found left wanting in the balance, shall we?
According to the non-partisan 9-11 Commission Report:

Attention to Terrorism: Clinton Administration

P 174: President Clinton "deeply concerned" about Osama Bin Ladin.
P 101: President Clinton makes chemical, biological, and nuclear terrorism a priority.
P 109: Clinton Administration establishes "the Bin Ladin unit."
P 358: Clinton Administration's management of the last weeks of December 1999 was "the one period in which the government as a whole seemed to be acting in concert to deal with terrorism."
P 487: Clinton Administration successful in arresting al Qaeda members.
P 457: Richard Clarke runs exercise where terrorists use plane for suicide mission.

Attention to Terrorism: Bush Administration

P 202: Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld and his deputy Paul Wolfowitz argued against retaliation for the bombing of the USS Cole, saying the issue was "stale"
P 208: President Bush neglected to fill the key counterterrorism policy office in the Pentagon after the former official departed January 20.
P 201: Richard Clarke submits memo to Condoleezza Rice saying "we urgently need... a Principals level review on the al Qida network."
P 201: No Principals Committee meeting on al Qaeda held until September 4, 2001.
P 203: Principals Committee meetings on Iraq and Sudan before one on al Qaeda.
P 509: Bush administration holds 32 Principals Committee meetings on subjects other than al Qaeda before 9/11.
P 200: Rice downgrades the Counterterrorism Security Group.
P 197: December 2000 "Blue Sky" memo on terrorism urges increased support to Northern Alliance and Uzbeks to fight Taliban and al Qaeda.
P 202: White House postpones aid to Northern Alliance and Uzbeks.
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Postby The_Noble_Cause » Wed Jul 11, 2007 6:16 pm

barb wrote:Ya, I heard that lunatic on Glenn Beck this morning. Called anyone who doesn't believe in man made global warming a traitor. What a complete asshat.


Beck?
Oh, you mean that same bastion of truth whose “Climate of Fear” expose on CNN (purported to blow the lid wide open on Global Warming) relied heavily on experts with ties to the energy industry?
Of course, as the self-deprecating Beck likes to stress so often, he is just one of us, concerned with right and wrong, not right or left.
And he would be telling you precisely just that from the time he first innocuously fusses with his belt buckle, to the time you’re scampering away wobbly-legged with a trail of blood leading from your anus.

Like Dubbya, his aw-shucks everyman routine is invoked strictly for personal/political gain.

http://mediamatters.org/items/200705040001[/quote]
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Postby The_Noble_Cause » Wed Jul 11, 2007 6:36 pm

gtrplr1960 wrote:Sherry, George W. Bush brought back dignity to the United States Military. Dignity was AWOL during the Clinton years.


The shape Clinton left the millitary in is best demonstrated by the quick, ginsu-like precison with which Baghdad was toppled.
21 days and minimal losses -Sounds damn good to me.
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Postby The_Noble_Cause » Wed Jul 11, 2007 6:38 pm

RaiderFan wrote:Decapitate people? Child's play. How about cooking young boys for their parents dinner?

Thyestean feast? [Victor Davis Hanson]

Greek mythology often encapsulated an entire culture's worst fears and depravities-and over centuries of story-telling became ever more complex and layered and bizarre.

But what is strange about reading Michael Yon's graphic descriptions from Iraq is that al Qaeda (or its kindred) seems almost in a single generation to be outdoing a millennium of savagery present in Greek history and myth. You have to go to Thucydides's Mycalessus to find a parallel of wiping out even the animals of a small village.

On Friday, Yon reported that al Qaeda served up a son for dinner to his own family— a barbarism reminiscent of Atreus (hence the "curse" on the House of Atreus) cooking (sans feet and hands) and then serving his twin brother's sons to their unsuspecting father Thyestes. So Yon reports a revolting modern-day Thysestean feast:


The official reported that on a couple of occasions in Baqubah, al Qaeda invited to lunch families they wanted to convert to their way of thinking. In each instance, the family had a boy, he said, who was about 11-years-old. As LT David Wallach interpreted the man's words, I saw Wallach go blank and silent. He stopped interpreting for a moment. I asked Wallach, "What did he say?" Wallach said that at these luncheons, the families were sat down to eat. And then their boy was brought in with his mouth stuffed. The boy had been baked. Al Qaeda served the boy to his family.
What is striking about all this savagery—whether with the filmed beheadings of Westerners in Iraq to the recent flaming Johnny Storm human torch at Glasgow, screaming epithets as he sought to engulf bystanders and ignite his canisters — is the absolute silence of the West, either distracted by Paris and i-Phones or suffering from Bush Derangement Syndrome and obsessed with Guantanamo.


It is hard to recall an enemy so savage and yet one so largely ignored by rich affluent and distracted elites as the radical jihadists, as we have to evoke everything from mythology to comic books to find analogies to their extra-human viciousness.

For a self-congratulatory culture issuing moral lectures on everything from global warming to the dangers of smoking, the silence of the West toward the primordial horror from Gaza to Anbar is, well, horrific in its own way as well...


You’re not showing me anything new.
I’ve already read this news story, and probably any other you can throw my way.
However, I’m glad to see this thread has prompted you to read something besides the label on a bottle of Ole Granddad for a change.

The point still stands: our soldiers’ conduct should be held against the standards of what makes this country great, NOT what terrorists happen to do for recreation.

In fact, the very thought of setting up a moral comparison between our troops’ behavior and the behavior of the enemy, shows me what little regard you have for the men in uniform, and the established tenets of the nation they’re sworn to protect
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