Revelations sales totals

[Don]

You're listening to a guy who has a giant toad in a santa suit for an avatar?
And you should see Gunbot's gallery of past avatars.

That's not a toad, that's Bill Paxton turned into a piece of excrement in Weird Science.

I'm not getting sucked into this argument again.
It IS a toad....
that's why he's sitting there catching flies with his tongue, and has big toad legs and webbed feet.

Didn't Kelly LeBrock tell him that he was a piece of shit? It's been over twenty years ago and I can't remember.

[bluejeangirl76]

You're listening to a guy who has a giant toad in a santa suit for an avatar?
And you should see Gunbot's gallery of past avatars.

That's not a toad, that's Bill Paxton turned into a piece of excrement in Weird Science.

I'm not getting sucked into this argument again.
It IS a toad....
that's why he's sitting there catching flies with his tongue, and has big toad legs and webbed feet.

Didn't Kelly LeBrock tell him that he was a piece of shit? It's been over twenty years ago and I can't remember.

I'm not sure they ever really specify what he is, but she does threaten to give him elephant balls.
I've seen that flick more times than I care to admit... trust me, he's a toad.

[strangegrey]

And I suppose saying Rev only sold because of the re-records doesn't fit this bill, right? Please.

Come back from the ledge. I was stating an OPINION. Dan was trying to push imaginatively invented bullshit off as numeric fact.

[Rick]

And I suppose saying Rev only sold because of the re-records doesn't fit this bill, right? Please.

Come back from the ledge. I was stating an OPINION. Dan was trying to push imaginatively invented bullshit off as numeric fact.

He does that very well though.

[strangegrey]

Let me also add that I *never* said rev sold ONLY because of the rerecords. In fact, I dont think the rerecords factored into ANYONE's decission at all. If it factored into someone's decission, I'll submit they're too fucking stupid to be allowed to breath...and I'd like them to swallow something poisonous, so that they don't suck down valuable oxygen reserved for people who need it.

My statements regarding the retreads refer to the fact that Journey, by way of the RIAA's assinine counting methods, has included a disc of cheap, poorly done rerecordings (for likely very little actual time or money) in an effort to achieve platinum status through half the effort. There's no arguing that Revelation sold 600k or so copies...but the twats that go around going "they're a platinum band, they sold a million copies" should be lobotomized. Because it's just not true. Had there been a second legitimate disc of new material, I would give them the nod...but this retread shit is is no different than turning in 10 pages actual writing and 10 pages of giberish on a 20 page academic paper.

The added factor I also mentioned is the cheaper price, which I DO feel has resulted in extra sales...extrapolating a model to calculate just how much extra sales that equates to would be tremendously complex....but I *do* feel it's relevant enough to mention.

[Saint John]

Dan was trying to push imaginatively invented bullshit off as numeric fact.

lol...I posted the thread over 2 years ago and here's exactly what I said:


I found a list of all-time WORLDWIDE album sales by artist. Here are the Top 20:

4129 The Beatles
2625 Led Zeppelin
2328 Hollywood Movie Soundtracks
2262 Elvis Presley
1759 Various (collections/label promo)
1508 Eagles
1453 Pink Floyd
1381 Billy Joel
1311 Elton John
1154 Barbra Streisand
1134 The Rolling Stones
1123 AC/DC
0956 Bruce Springsteen
0930 Kenny Rogers
0928 Journey
0897 Aerosmith
0876 Michael Jackson
0860 Simon & Garfunkel
0849 Van Halen
0839 Fleetwood Mac


This site has Journey at 92.8 million worldwide. What's even MORE perplexing is the breakdown. It's as follows:
Frontiers: 32.4 million
Escape: 19.8 million
Greatest Hits: 13.0 million
Infinity: 7.2 million
Evolution: 6.6 million
Departure: 6.3 miilion
Raised On Radio: 3.0 million
Trial By Fire: 500,000

I would have NEVER guessed that Frontiers is far and away their best selling album. However, the list appears to be very legit. Any thoughts?

PS Street talk was at 3.4 million

[strangegrey]

Dan was trying to push imaginatively invented bullshit off as numeric fact.

lol...I posted the thread over 2 years ago and here's exactly what I said:


I found a list of all-time WORLDWIDE album sales by artist. Here are the Top 20:

4129 The Beatles
2625 Led Zeppelin
2328 Hollywood Movie Soundtracks
2262 Elvis Presley
1759 Various (collections/label promo)
1508 Eagles
1453 Pink Floyd
1381 Billy Joel
1311 Elton John
1154 Barbra Streisand
1134 The Rolling Stones
1123 AC/DC
0956 Bruce Springsteen
0930 Kenny Rogers
0928 Journey
0897 Aerosmith
0876 Michael Jackson
0860 Simon & Garfunkel
0849 Van Halen
0839 Fleetwood Mac


This site has Journey at 92.8 million worldwide. What's even MORE perplexing is the breakdown. It's as follows:
Frontiers: 32.4 million
Escape: 19.8 million
Greatest Hits: 13.0 million
Infinity: 7.2 million
Evolution: 6.6 million
Departure: 6.3 miilion
Raised On Radio: 3.0 million
Trial By Fire: 500,000

I would have NEVER guessed that Frontiers is far and away their best selling album. However, the list appears to be very legit. Any thoughts?

PS Street talk was at 3.4 million

Then someone should have dragged your ass out on to the mat back 2 years ago for posting bullshit numbers back then. Just because you're recycling your bullshit, it doesn't mean it's suddenly legit!

[Don]

I read somewhere before the total worldwide is 55 million, and I think that is close to the truth. We know there are 45 million sales stateside as they have been certified by the RIAA. The groups next biggest market was Japan, which with all the Sony compilation albums, I could see them having probably pushed Journey's lifetime totals there to 10 million. Europe and Australia never really gave a shit about Journey so any numbers from those places would be pretty small.

[RocknRoll]

http://classicrock.about.com/od/bandsan ... ourney.htm

This site shows them at 75 million albums sold worldwide, which is the number I usually hear and Wiki puts them in the 75-99 million records catagory. (I'm kinda assumng the Wiki number may include singles which is probably where the 92 million comes in)

The good thing is those numbers are still going up.

[strangegrey]

The problem with wikipedia, is that unless the reference for information is a strong source, it could very well be some fucking shill for the band making up that shit and posting it to the site.....a made up fact on wikipedia that still exists on the site means that no one has challenged it. I also think that about.com is not a valid source either...

the *clocked* 45million under RIAA certification is a reliable and honest number. Where the other so called 30-45 million comes from is where this issue resides. For there to be 92 million sales, that means that there's more sales in the rest of the world than the US. That, my friends, is pure horseshite. Journey was a major success here in the states, a relative success in japan, and a blip on the radar in europe.....there's no way, noooooo fucking way that they sold more albums in those markets than they did in the us. Hell, personally, I don't buy the about.com claim that they sold 30 million in those markets. That's bullshit too.

I agree with RocknRoll that the *real* number might be alot closer to around 55million....and that might be pushing it as well...

Another thing, jumping on another point made in Dan's 2 year old post of horseshite facts...Journey are *not* among the top 20 worldwide selling artists. There's a fucking gaggle of artists that completely blow away Journey, in terms of sales. I can think of several without doing a single internet search....Garth Brooks, Frank Sinatra, Bon Jovi, u2, Bing Crosby....Im sure there are plenty more than that...

[annie89509]

Let me also add that I *never* said rev sold ONLY because of the rerecords. In fact, the rereI dont think cords factored into ANYONE's decission at all. If it factored into someone's decission, I'll submit they're too fucking stupid to be allowed to breath...and I'd like them to swallow something poisonous, so that they don't suck down valuable oxygen reserved for people who need it.

I don't know. Not that it should be taken as universal, but i personally know 2 guys that went to the Journey concert this year after hearing about "the Filipino guy sounding just like Steve Perry." When I told them about the new Rev packaged with a re-record of the classics at Wal-mart, each of them promptly went out and bought it. They love how Arnel sings the old hits, but claim they have no interest in listening to the new songs. Go figure.

[Monker]

Dan was trying to push imaginatively invented bullshit off as numeric fact.

lol...I posted the thread over 2 years ago and here's exactly what I said:


I found a list of all-time WORLDWIDE album sales by artist. Here are the Top 20:

4129 The Beatles
2625 Led Zeppelin
2328 Hollywood Movie Soundtracks
2262 Elvis Presley
1759 Various (collections/label promo)
1508 Eagles
1453 Pink Floyd
1381 Billy Joel
1311 Elton John
1154 Barbra Streisand
1134 The Rolling Stones
1123 AC/DC
0956 Bruce Springsteen
0930 Kenny Rogers
0928 Journey
0897 Aerosmith
0876 Michael Jackson
0860 Simon & Garfunkel
0849 Van Halen
0839 Fleetwood Mac


This site has Journey at 92.8 million worldwide. What's even MORE perplexing is the breakdown. It's as follows:
Frontiers: 32.4 million
Escape: 19.8 million
Greatest Hits: 13.0 million
Infinity: 7.2 million
Evolution: 6.6 million
Departure: 6.3 miilion
Raised On Radio: 3.0 million
Trial By Fire: 500,000

I would have NEVER guessed that Frontiers is far and away their best selling album. However, the list appears to be very legit. Any thoughts?

PS Street talk was at 3.4 million

Is TBF not platinum?

[Don]

Dan was trying to push imaginatively invented bullshit off as numeric fact.

lol...I posted the thread over 2 years ago and here's exactly what I said:


I found a list of all-time WORLDWIDE album sales by artist. Here are the Top 20:

4129 The Beatles
2625 Led Zeppelin
2328 Hollywood Movie Soundtracks
2262 Elvis Presley
1759 Various (collections/label promo)
1508 Eagles
1453 Pink Floyd
1381 Billy Joel
1311 Elton John
1154 Barbra Streisand
1134 The Rolling Stones
1123 AC/DC
0956 Bruce Springsteen
0930 Kenny Rogers
0928 Journey
0897 Aerosmith
0876 Michael Jackson
0860 Simon & Garfunkel
0849 Van Halen
0839 Fleetwood Mac


This site has Journey at 92.8 million worldwide. What's even MORE perplexing is the breakdown. It's as follows:
Frontiers: 32.4 million
Escape: 19.8 million
Greatest Hits: 13.0 million
Infinity: 7.2 million
Evolution: 6.6 million
Departure: 6.3 miilion
Raised On Radio: 3.0 million
Trial By Fire: 500,000

I would have NEVER guessed that Frontiers is far and away their best selling album. However, the list appears to be very legit. Any thoughts?

PS Street talk was at 3.4 million

Is TBF not platinum?

As this list doesn't link to a source, TBF could be anything.

The RIAA official data shows it was certified as gold and Platinum the same day.

[strangegrey]

Let me also add that I *never* said rev sold ONLY because of the rerecords. In fact, the rereI dont think cords factored into ANYONE's decission at all. If it factored into someone's decission, I'll submit they're too fucking stupid to be allowed to breath...and I'd like them to swallow something poisonous, so that they don't suck down valuable oxygen reserved for people who need it.

I don't know. Not that it should be taken as universal, but i personally know 2 guys that went to the Journey concert this year after hearing about "the Filipino guy sounding just like Steve Perry." When I told them about the new Rev packaged with a re-record of the classics at Wal-mart, each of them promptly went out and bought it. They love how Arnel sings the old hits, but claim they have no interest in listening to the new songs. Go figure.

Then by my previous statement, if the rerecordings were the sole reason they purchased the album, they should hold their breath as they don't deserve the o2 that the rest of us have a rightful claim to. Seriously...it's a ludicrous reason to buy an album and I would, in a heartbeat, place them as very insignificant outliers on the normal curve of people that purchased Revelation.

Is TBF not platinum?

The entire list is bullshit. GH did not undersell compared to escape or frontiers...Their biggest selling release has been and probably will always be GH. TBF is indeed platinum...and given the fact that there isn't a collection of shittily rerecorded tracks tacked onto it, it's a LEGIT platinum...and has sold twice the amount of discs that Reguritations sold...

[bluejeangirl76]

TBF is indeed platinum...and given the fact that there isn't a collection of shittily rerecorded tracks tacked onto it, it's a LEGIT platinum...and has sold twice the amount of discs that Reguritations sold...

[Red13JoePa]

But if you apply the proper adjustment formula to Revelations, clearly had it come out in 1996 it would probably be at around a million albums sold rendering double plantinum. That's how drastic the change in album sales climate is now.

[Monker]

Dan was trying to push imaginatively invented bullshit off as numeric fact.

lol...I posted the thread over 2 years ago and here's exactly what I said:


I found a list of all-time WORLDWIDE album sales by artist. Here are the Top 20:

4129 The Beatles
2625 Led Zeppelin
2328 Hollywood Movie Soundtracks
2262 Elvis Presley
1759 Various (collections/label promo)
1508 Eagles
1453 Pink Floyd
1381 Billy Joel
1311 Elton John
1154 Barbra Streisand
1134 The Rolling Stones
1123 AC/DC
0956 Bruce Springsteen
0930 Kenny Rogers
0928 Journey
0897 Aerosmith
0876 Michael Jackson
0860 Simon & Garfunkel
0849 Van Halen
0839 Fleetwood Mac


This site has Journey at 92.8 million worldwide. What's even MORE perplexing is the breakdown. It's as follows:
Frontiers: 32.4 million
Escape: 19.8 million
Greatest Hits: 13.0 million
Infinity: 7.2 million
Evolution: 6.6 million
Departure: 6.3 miilion
Raised On Radio: 3.0 million
Trial By Fire: 500,000

I would have NEVER guessed that Frontiers is far and away their best selling album. However, the list appears to be very legit. Any thoughts?

PS Street talk was at 3.4 million

Is TBF not platinum?

As this list doesn't link to a source, TBF could be anything.

The RIAA official data shows it was certified as gold and Platinum the same day.

I thought the news at the time was that it shipped to retail as a platinum release...and was a platinum album only a couple months after release. It's probably close to double platinum now. GH was certified diamond a few years ago...as was Escape. I don't recall Frontiers being diamond, but it could be...I agree with Frank, I don't see how international sales could make up the difference between what I know US sales are. The TBF sales alone prove to me that the list is innacurate and not believable.

[tj]

The problem with wikipedia, is that unless the reference for information is a strong source, it could very well be some fucking shill for the band making up that shit and posting it to the site.....a made up fact on wikipedia that still exists on the site means that no one has challenged it. I also think that about.com is not a valid source either...

the *clocked* 45million under RIAA certification is a reliable and honest number. Where the other so called 30-45 million comes from is where this issue resides. For there to be 92 million sales, that means that there's more sales in the rest of the world than the US. That, my friends, is pure horseshite. Journey was a major success here in the states, a relative success in japan, and a blip on the radar in europe.....there's no way, noooooo fucking way that they sold more albums in those markets than they did in the us. Hell, personally, I don't buy the about.com claim that they sold 30 million in those markets. That's bullshit too.

I agree with RocknRoll that the *real* number might be alot closer to around 55million....and that might be pushing it as well...

Another thing, jumping on another point made in Dan's 2 year old post of horseshite facts...Journey are *not* among the top 20 worldwide selling artists. There's a fucking gaggle of artists that completely blow away Journey, in terms of sales. I can think of several without doing a single internet search....Garth Brooks, Frank Sinatra, Bon Jovi, u2, Bing Crosby....Im sure there are plenty more than that...

Garth was my first thought in looking at the list. He has to be in the top 20. One list I saw a few years back had him as the 2nd most solo sales behind Elvis.

[Don]

The problem with wikipedia, is that unless the reference for information is a strong source, it could very well be some fucking shill for the band making up that shit and posting it to the site.....a made up fact on wikipedia that still exists on the site means that no one has challenged it. I also think that about.com is not a valid source either...

the *clocked* 45million under RIAA certification is a reliable and honest number. Where the other so called 30-45 million comes from is where this issue resides. For there to be 92 million sales, that means that there's more sales in the rest of the world than the US. That, my friends, is pure horseshite. Journey was a major success here in the states, a relative success in japan, and a blip on the radar in europe.....there's no way, noooooo fucking way that they sold more albums in those markets than they did in the us. Hell, personally, I don't buy the about.com claim that they sold 30 million in those markets. That's bullshit too.

I agree with RocknRoll that the *real* number might be alot closer to around 55million....and that might be pushing it as well...

Another thing, jumping on another point made in Dan's 2 year old post of horseshite facts...Journey are *not* among the top 20 worldwide selling artists. There's a fucking gaggle of artists that completely blow away Journey, in terms of sales. I can think of several without doing a single internet search....Garth Brooks, Frank Sinatra, Bon Jovi, u2, Bing Crosby....Im sure there are plenty more than that...

Garth was my first thought in looking at the list. He has to be in the top 20. One list I saw a few years back had him as the 2nd most solo sales behind Elvis.

In N. America, Garth is second only to the Beatles.

http://www.riaa.com/goldandplatinumdata ... =tblTopArt

[amaron]

TBF is indeed platinum...and given the fact that there isn't a collection of shittily rerecorded tracks tacked onto it, it's a LEGIT platinum...and has sold twice the amount of discs that Reguritations sold...

TBF is no more legitimate than Revelations. There was plenty of funny math going on, even back in 1996.

TBF was certified Platinum on 12/20/06 and was released on 10/22/06, which is 9 weeks. It then debuted at #3 on the Billboard charts on 11/09/06 and seemingly disappeared the next week.

There is no way that TBF sold 1 million copies it's first week or it would have been #1. Sales of the album were not consistent, or it would have been on the charts longer than one week.

Sony flooded the market with TBF discs (ie: TBF "shipped platinum") to artificially get the Platinum certification and manufacture a Grammy nomination.

[Saint John]

TBF is indeed platinum...and given the fact that there isn't a collection of shittily rerecorded tracks tacked onto it, it's a LEGIT platinum...and has sold twice the amount of discs that Reguritations sold...

TBF is no more legitimate than Revelations. There was plenty of funny math going on, even back in 1996.

TBF was certified Platinum on 12/20/06 and was released on 10/22/06, which is 9 weeks. It then debuted at #3 on the Billboard charts on 11/09/06 and seemingly disappeared the next week.

There is no way that TBF sold 1 million copies it's first week or it would have been #1. Sales of the album were not consistent, or it would have been on the charts longer than one week.

Sony flooded the market with TBF discs (ie: TBF "shipped platinum") to artificially get the Platinum certification and manufacture a Grammy nomination.

Bingo!!! Please hold all cards. The album actually stayed on the charts for 3 or 4 weeks I believe before sinking into the abyss. No way it sold a legit million in that time span...no way at all. And here's the funny thing...in the 12 years since its release I never stumbled upon it in anyone's house, car, work, party or hiking trip. It may have eventually sold a million, but it didn't do so in 2 months...if ever.

[Jodes]

Umm So according to that list Journey has sold more albums worldwide then QUEEN???

That I highly doubt..

[tj]

TBF is indeed platinum...and given the fact that there isn't a collection of shittily rerecorded tracks tacked onto it, it's a LEGIT platinum...and has sold twice the amount of discs that Reguritations sold...

TBF is no more legitimate than Revelations. There was plenty of funny math going on, even back in 1996.

TBF was certified Platinum on 12/20/06 and was released on 10/22/06, which is 9 weeks. It then debuted at #3 on the Billboard charts on 11/09/06 and seemingly disappeared the next week.

There is no way that TBF sold 1 million copies it's first week or it would have been #1. Sales of the album were not consistent, or it would have been on the charts longer than one week.

Sony flooded the market with TBF discs (ie: TBF "shipped platinum") to artificially get the Platinum certification and manufacture a Grammy nomination.

Bingo!!! Please hold all cards. The album actually stayed on the charts for 3 or 4 weeks I believe before sinking into the abyss. No way it sold a legit million in that time span...no way at all. And here's the funny thing...in the 12 years since its release I never stumbled upon it in anyone's house, car, work, party or hiking trip. It may have eventually sold a million, but it didn't do so in 2 months...if ever.

Hiking trip? What kind of person would be walking around the woods with TBF anyway?

[Rockindeano]

There isn't another Journey disc I would want than TBF if hiking. Talk about a mature record with some decent and deep lyrics? By far the best lyrically written Journey record.

[DrFU]

TBF is indeed platinum...and given the fact that there isn't a collection of shittily rerecorded tracks tacked onto it, it's a LEGIT platinum...and has sold twice the amount of discs that Reguritations sold...

TBF is no more legitimate than Revelations. There was plenty of funny math going on, even back in 1996.

TBF was certified Platinum on 12/20/06 and was released on 10/22/06, which is 9 weeks. It then debuted at #3 on the Billboard charts on 11/09/06 and seemingly disappeared the next week.

There is no way that TBF sold 1 million copies it's first week or it would have been #1. Sales of the album were not consistent, or it would have been on the charts longer than one week.

Sony flooded the market with TBF discs (ie: TBF "shipped platinum") to artificially get the Platinum certification and manufacture a Grammy nomination.

Bingo!!! Please hold all cards. The album actually stayed on the charts for 3 or 4 weeks I believe before sinking into the abyss. No way it sold a legit million in that time span...no way at all. And here's the funny thing...in the 12 years since its release I never stumbled upon it in anyone's house, car, work, party or hiking trip. It may have eventually sold a million, but it didn't do so in 2 months...if ever.

Hiking trip? What kind of person would be walking around the woods with TBF anyway?

that'd be me ... crunchy granola loon

[Onestepper]

TBF is indeed platinum...and given the fact that there isn't a collection of shittily rerecorded tracks tacked onto it, it's a LEGIT platinum...and has sold twice the amount of discs that Reguritations sold...

TBF is no more legitimate than Revelations. There was plenty of funny math going on, even back in 1996.

TBF was certified Platinum on 12/20/06 and was released on 10/22/06, which is 9 weeks. It then debuted at #3 on the Billboard charts on 11/09/06 and seemingly disappeared the next week.

There is no way that TBF sold 1 million copies it's first week or it would have been #1. Sales of the album were not consistent, or it would have been on the charts longer than one week.

Sony flooded the market with TBF discs (ie: TBF "shipped platinum") to artificially get the Platinum certification and manufacture a Grammy nomination.

I remember going into the music store to buy TBF the day it was released. I'll never ever forget the comment the manager said to me when I went to check out. He said.."yeah, we just got done playing this in the store. What the hell happened to Perry's voice? We had to turn it off, half the staff was put to sleep, and the other half now wants to kill themselves."

I'll never forget that. Ever.

[Saint John]

There isn't another Journey disc I would want than TBF if hiking.

They're supposed to be a rock band, dude. It's great that you want to spin TBF while you're doing Pilates, but the rest of us would probably pass.

[Michigan Girl]

TBF is indeed platinum...and given the fact that there isn't a collection of shittily rerecorded tracks tacked onto it, it's a LEGIT platinum...and has sold twice the amount of discs that Reguritations sold...

TBF is no more legitimate than Revelations. There was plenty of funny math going on, even back in 1996.

TBF was certified Platinum on 12/20/06 and was released on 10/22/06, which is 9 weeks. It then debuted at #3 on the Billboard charts on 11/09/06 and seemingly disappeared the next week.

There is no way that TBF sold 1 million copies it's first week or it would have been #1. Sales of the album were not consistent, or it would have been on the charts longer than one week.

Sony flooded the market with TBF discs (ie: TBF "shipped platinum") to artificially get the Platinum certification and manufacture a Grammy nomination.

I remember going into the music store to buy TBF the day it was released. I'll never ever forget the comment the manager said to me when I went to check out. He said.."yeah, we just got done playing this in the store. What the hell happened to Perry's voice? We had to turn it off, half the staff was put to sleep, and the other half now wants to kill themselves."

I'll never forget that. Ever.

He should've been fired...

[Saint John]

He should've been fired...

For telling the truth? I like the album, but Perry shouldn't have busted up the Rolie/Chalfant album if he had no plans on touring. I'd love to hear the tunes Chalfant says he has "laying in a drawer somewhere" from those sessions. Andrew, get on that for us.

[Onestepper]

TBF is indeed platinum...and given the fact that there isn't a collection of shittily rerecorded tracks tacked onto it, it's a LEGIT platinum...and has sold twice the amount of discs that Reguritations sold...

TBF is no more legitimate than Revelations. There was plenty of funny math going on, even back in 1996.

TBF was certified Platinum on 12/20/06 and was released on 10/22/06, which is 9 weeks. It then debuted at #3 on the Billboard charts on 11/09/06 and seemingly disappeared the next week.

There is no way that TBF sold 1 million copies it's first week or it would have been #1. Sales of the album were not consistent, or it would have been on the charts longer than one week.

Sony flooded the market with TBF discs (ie: TBF "shipped platinum") to artificially get the Platinum certification and manufacture a Grammy nomination.

I remember going into the music store to buy TBF the day it was released. I'll never ever forget the comment the manager said to me when I went to check out. He said.."yeah, we just got done playing this in the store. What the hell happened to Perry's voice? We had to turn it off, half the staff was put to sleep, and the other half now wants to kill themselves."

I'll never forget that. Ever.

He should've been fired...

Yeah. I remember walking out being pissed as hell that he put this image in my mind of a disappointing album before I ever heard it. I purposely went home, listened to it non-stop 3 times in a row just to try and get a clear perspective. I also never went back to that store during my last few years of CD buying.

He probably spits on babys too.