Not impressed

[Strange Medicine]

I fucked myself? Well, there's no better of a person to engage in sexual acts with.

If you're going to get accepted at Hudson Valley Community College, dweeb, you had better learn proper sentence structure.

"Well, there's no better person with whom to engage in sexual acts."

You're welcome, dickless.

A well-built, highly intelligent 37-year-old verbally harrassing the inferior 16-year-old? Easy, killer. One would think I've gotten under your skin (which I'm sure is smooth and wrinkle-free)...

[7 Wishes]

Wait...now I'm harassing YOU? After all the crap you have spewed here and all the ridicule you have heaped upon us?

I'm done with you, little one. Go back to your teen chat board and pop a few zits.

[Strange Medicine]

Wait...now I'm harassing YOU? After all the crap you have spewed here and all the ridicule you have heaped upon us?

I'm done with you, little one. Go back to your teen chat board and pop a few zits.

Well, that's just the thing, isn't it? Aside from abandoning all pretense of an argument and going straight for ad hominem, you've made the claim that you can "outsmart" and "outdo" me in just about everything (which, in itself, is completely illogical, as you don't know me, ergo, you're not in a position to make such a grandiose claim), so one would think that you'd be able to conduct yourself in a much more courteous manner than the mean, teenaged dweeb. This is underlined by the fact that you're thirty-seven and I'm sixteen; more maturity is expected out of you than me.

In essence, you've failed. You've allowed me to bait you and to string you along like a puppet. I hope this would be a life lesson for you.

[7 Wishes]

You're right. You've insulted us at every turn, called out the man who makes this all possible and may have single-handedly saved melodic rock itself, and decapitated anyone who doesn't worship Pineda.

I'm going through a life lesson right now that would blow your mind. You have no FUCKING idea, little boy. Go to bed.

[Deb]

Don't kid yourself. I don't believe for a second Strange Medicine is 16. Didn't from the beginning, but hey to each his own on-line personna I guess.

SM, you sure took a lot of "hostility" from Andrews post that I sure as heck didn't see. Is this how you normally treat people whose house you're a guest in?

[youkeepmewaiting]

Don't kid yourself. I don't believe for a second Strange Medicine is 16. Didn't from the beginning, but hey to each his own on-line personna I guess.

SM, you sure took a lot of "hositility" from Andrews post that I sure as heck didn't see. Is this how you normally treat people whose house you're a guest in?

According to SMs myspace page he is indeed 16, so unless he has gone to great lengths to hide his real age, im sure he is actually 16.

[ohsherrie]

Wondered how long it was gonna take for you to post Sherrie.Yes like me Sherrie when we got to experience Journey from the beginning when they were creating the so called dirty dozen we knew what perfection and great music was.We didn't become a Journey wanna-a be FAN in the last few months or last 10 years.Gotta admit we were lucky we had the best and heard the best THEN!

Hi Sandy. Hell yeah, these kids should be lucky enough to know what the REAL Journey was all about. They've got nothing more than a cover band and don't even realize what they're missing. Personally, if I'm going to listen to someone cover the catalog I'll take Frontiers. Maybe if they play somewhere within driving distance of both of us we can meet.

Hmm shall we choose a bar band or 3 original members, including one of the great rock guitarist of all time.. hmm this is a tough one.

I couldn't care less whether it's Neal or Barry playing guitar. I've seen and heard them both. I'm not the star struck type.

It's not about being starstruck, it's about wanting to go and see Journey, not going to see a cover band.

And before anybody barks up, yes i am aware that I orginally posted saying "3 original members", when it is infact only 2.

I guess it depends on what constitutes Journey for you. You do your thing and I'll do mine. Mine isn't star names doing a mediocre imitation of themselves. I'll take unknowns doing it the way I like it anytime.

[Deb]

Don't kid yourself. I don't believe for a second Strange Medicine is 16. Didn't from the beginning, but hey to each his own on-line personna I guess.

SM, you sure took a lot of "hositility" from Andrews post that I sure as heck didn't see. Is this how you normally treat people whose house you're a guest in?

According to SMs myspace page he is indeed 16, so unless he has gone to great lengths to hide his real age, im sure he is actually 16.

I've never seen his myspace page, so if that's true, I stand corrected.

[Strange Medicine]

Don't kid yourself. I don't believe for a second Strange Medicine is 16. Didn't from the beginning, but hey to each his own on-line personna I guess.

SM, you sure took a lot of "hositility" from Andrews post that I sure as heck didn't see. Is this how you normally treat people whose house you're a guest in?

According to SMs myspace page he is indeed 16, so unless he has gone to great lengths to hide his real age, im sure he is actually 16.

I've never seen his myspace page, so if that's true, I stand corrected.

The link to my profile is marked under the website button on this profile.

[Panther]

You're right. You've insulted us at every turn, called out the man who makes this all possible and may have single-handedly saved melodic rock itself, and decapitated anyone who doesn't worship Pineda.

I'm going through a life lesson right now that would blow your mind. You have no FUCKING idea, little boy. Go to bed.

All I can do is at this entire exchange. On the one hand, we have the kid who apparently is of the frame of mind that it is okay to ditch the lessons in respecting the elder/wiser (see? no mention of having to agree with), afterall.. this is just the netterworld and not in person - so to speak. On the other, we have 7 (or any of us "older" folk who choose to take up the torch) who, in the failure of the automatic respect mentioned previous, goes into the 'put you in your place youngin' full on mode.

To the kid, find your own voice. The overuse of the language/grammar we were all taught at the primary levels (believe it or not, the better part of the population on this forum can and does fully utilize a more "proper" manner than we do on something so casual as a few pixels and bandwidth) is no real feat. The challenge is to take those lessons and use them to craft your voice in such a manner that appeals to masses, not your own ear or appearances sake.

To 7 (and all those taking up the torch), take a chill. Remember, most of us have children this age (hell, I'm not old and I've two older than this one) and I know (or at least hope) that none of us would charge in on a kid like this if he were in front of us right now.

Alrighty then..... back to some more

[Lula]

Revisionist history at it's best. Soto was given a hard time in this very forum by some who felt underwhelmed by his debut.

And here's Andrew, with a witty opening phrase that just screams hostility. Where are your manners? I suppose, along with common sense, they're locked deep within the half-fried tissue between your ears. There is no revisionist history; for my words to beconsidered revisionist, I would have had to deny that Mr. Soto was "given a hard time". I never did. In fact, I never brought it up at all. In fact, it's totally irrelevant. One cannot objectively tear into Mr. Pineda for his errors in vocal technique and turn around and praise Mr. Soto as if he is the second coming, since he is just as fallible of a singer. That was the point, Andrew. But, if you'll pardon the assumption, it seems you were too eager to point out that Mr. Soto was treated just as harshly to realize that: a.) no one disputed that and b.) since I didn't deny it, it isn't considered revisionist.

Next?

Boy did YOU just fuck yourself.

yeah, no kidding

[Strange Medicine]

You're right. You've insulted us at every turn, called out the man who makes this all possible and may have single-handedly saved melodic rock itself, and decapitated anyone who doesn't worship Pineda.

I'm going through a life lesson right now that would blow your mind. You have no FUCKING idea, little boy. Go to bed.

All I can do is at this entire exchange. On the one hand, we have the kid who apparently is of the frame of mind that it is okay to ditch the lessons in respecting the elder/wiser (see? no mention of having to agree with), afterall.. this is just the netterworld and not in person - so to speak. On the other, we have 7 (or any of us "older" folk who choose to take up the torch) who, in the failure of the automatic respect mentioned previous, goes into the 'put you in your place youngin' full on mode.

To the kid, find your own voice. The overuse of the language/grammar we were all taught at the primary levels (believe it or not, the better part of the population on this forum can and does fully utilize a more "proper" manner than we do on something so casual as a few pixels and bandwidth) is no real feat. The challenge is to take those lessons and use them to craft your voice in such a manner that appeals to masses, not your own ear or appearances sake.

To 7 (and all those taking up the torch), take a chill. Remember, most of us have children this age (hell, I'm not old and I've two older than this one) and I know (or at least hope) that none of us would charge in on a kid like this if he were in front of us right now.

Alrighty then..... back to some more

See?

The correct way to handle things. You're very right. What I've said to some of these people is nothing short of vicious and overkill. I've already apologized to those whom I think deserved an apology (I'm afraid that didn't included Wishes, here). And, Deb, if I've offended you or somehow upset you with my remarks (it's been pointed out that I was somehow rude with you), I do apologize. It was never my intent. You remained very civil with me, so I respected your opinion (still do).

[Vladan]

Revisionist history at it's best. Soto was given a hard time in this very forum by some who felt underwhelmed by his debut.

And here's Andrew, with a witty opening phrase that just screams hostility. Where are your manners? I suppose, along with common sense, they're locked deep within the half-fried tissue between your ears. There is no revisionist history; for my words to beconsidered revisionist, I would have had to deny that Mr. Soto was "given a hard time". I never did. In fact, I never brought it up at all. In fact, it's totally irrelevant. One cannot objectively tear into Mr. Pineda for his errors in vocal technique and turn around and praise Mr. Soto as if he is the second coming, since he is just as fallible of a singer. That was the point, Andrew. But, if you'll pardon the assumption, it seems you were too eager to point out that Mr. Soto was treated just as harshly to realize that: a.) no one disputed that and b.) since I didn't deny it, it isn't considered revisionist.

Next?

Hey kid, look - you've just insulted the guy who runs this site. Probably not the best person to insult around here, apart from RockinDeano but lets go back and read something about hostility " Where are your manners? I suppose, along with common sense, they're locked deep within the half-fried tissue between your ears" I'm sure Andrew is willing to let that slide, he's a nice guy right.

[FishinMagician]

Wait...now I'm harassing YOU? After all the crap you have spewed here and all the ridicule you have heaped upon us?

I'm done with you, little one. Go back to your teen chat board and pop a few zits.

Well, that's just the thing, isn't it? Aside from abandoning all pretense of an argument and going straight for ad hominem, you've made the claim that you can "outsmart" and "outdo" me in just about everything (which, in itself, is completely illogical, as you don't know me, ergo, you're not in a position to make such a grandiose claim), so one would think that you'd be able to conduct yourself in a much more courteous manner than the mean, teenaged dweeb. This is underlined by the fact that you're thirty-seven and I'm sixteen; more maturity is expected out of you than me.

In essence, you've failed. You've allowed me to bait you and to string you along like a puppet. I hope this would be a life lesson for you.

you really like those logical fallacies don't you lol

[Strange Medicine]

Wait...now I'm harassing YOU? After all the crap you have spewed here and all the ridicule you have heaped upon us?

I'm done with you, little one. Go back to your teen chat board and pop a few zits.

Well, that's just the thing, isn't it? Aside from abandoning all pretense of an argument and going straight for ad hominem, you've made the claim that you can "outsmart" and "outdo" me in just about everything (which, in itself, is completely illogical, as you don't know me, ergo, you're not in a position to make such a grandiose claim), so one would think that you'd be able to conduct yourself in a much more courteous manner than the mean, teenaged dweeb. This is underlined by the fact that you're thirty-seven and I'm sixteen; more maturity is expected out of you than me.

In essence, you've failed. You've allowed me to bait you and to string you along like a puppet. I hope this would be a life lesson for you.

you really like those logical fallacies don't you lol

Aha! Someone familiar with the term. I like to point them out when they're made, yes.

[Don]

Revisionist history at it's best. Soto was given a hard time in this very forum by some who felt underwhelmed by his debut.

And here's Andrew, with a witty opening phrase that just screams hostility. Where are your manners? I suppose, along with common sense, they're locked deep within the half-fried tissue between your ears. There is no revisionist history; for my words to beconsidered revisionist, I would have had to deny that Mr. Soto was "given a hard time". I never did. In fact, I never brought it up at all. In fact, it's totally irrelevant. One cannot objectively tear into Mr. Pineda for his errors in vocal technique and turn around and praise Mr. Soto as if he is the second coming, since he is just as fallible of a singer. That was the point, Andrew. But, if you'll pardon the assumption, it seems you were too eager to point out that Mr. Soto was treated just as harshly to realize that: a.) no one disputed that and b.) since I didn't deny it, it isn't considered revisionist.

Next?

Why would you challenge Andrew like that? You were given a nice indoctrination into this site partially because of your elegant manners and creative writing ability yet you have managed to throw that all away in the span of a couple hours. I was beginning to doubt your age but now i'm not so sure as most adults wouldn't resort to such an uncouth rebuttal against the person who has provided this platform for us to express our views.

[Deb]

The correct way to handle things. You're very right. What I've said to some of these people is nothing short of vicious and overkill. I've already apologized to those whom I think deserved an apology (I'm afraid that didn't included Wishes, here). And, Deb, if I've offended you or somehow upset you with my remarks (it's been pointed out that I was somehow rude with you), I do apologize. It was never my intent. You remained very civil with me, so I respected your opinion (still do).

Thanks SM. No I didn't find you rude with me. You have your opinions on JSS and Arnel and I have mine, it's all good. LOL I love a good (civil) debate. But you sure snapped at Andrew, which I didn't think was very cool, after all this is his house we are all guests in.

[Strange Medicine]

Why would you challenge Andrew like that? You were given a nice indoctrination into this site partially because of your elegant manners and creative writing ability yet you have managed to throw that all away in the span of a couple hours. I was beginning to doubt your age but now i'm not so sure as most adults wouldn't resort to such an uncouth rebuttal against the person who has provided this platform for us to express our views.

Must you keep asking this question? Several people have already went down this road and were greeted by a sign with the answer. I will repeat, sir, for the final time: Andrew, I'm sure, is a remarkably respected and talented man. He has been gracious enough to provide us with the aforementioned forum and platform and demonstrates remarkable patience. Of this, I have no doubt. However, simply because he is the administrator doesn't give him the latitude to make a sarcastic remark about my statements being "revisionist history" and then fail to back it up; Andrew's response to me was totally irrelevant and he failed to apply the term "revisionist history" correctly. Why? I can only speculate. Perhaps he doesn't like me. Perhaps he made a mistake. Or perhaps he was upset because I was "dissing his man". No idea, and I don't care. Unsupported assumptions and sarcastic remarks born from misinterpretation are inexcusable, and Andrew did just that.

As far as my elegant manners, I will be the first to tell you that I am only civil and respectful to those who have demonstrated that they deserve it. As you can clearly see, 7 Wishes is hardly a beacon of maturity and patience, and he has exhibited signs of narcissism and egotism on par with my own. We won't get into Ohsherrie, as I've made my one and only apology to her, and will not detract from the sincerity of it by rehashing old arguments. So far, only they and Andrew have aroused my "uncouth" behavior. Needless to say, as well, 7 Wishes started this round. I was ready to leave things alone when he came out of nowhere with the ad hominem.


Edit: Deb, you are most kind. Thank you.

[Playitloudforme]

All the bashing is ridiculous across all lines. Disagree, fine, but with respect. The personal attacks from all sides are unnecessary. Enough please. Pretty please.

[larryfromnextdoor]

And here's Andrew, with a witty opening phrase that just screams hostility.

bye bye...

[Clasicrockldy]

Barry is a copy cover guitarist, and so is Jeremey.

Hey Jeremey. I didn't mind your banter, but your blog is [b]not truthful. Care to wage a little debate?[/quote[/b]]

Bud you need to stop bashing Jeremey,he has been singing and doing Journey tunes for years and has made more Journey fans especially with collage kids. He could have been{and should have been} Journeys lead singer.he is not now,why not lay off the dude.,thanks SW

I see Dean has once again put up a post, then take it down. Thanks to SteveW for capturing it.

Dean, I don't know what you have against Jeremey, but leave him out of this thread. You know squat about what happened during the audition. And don't make it sound like you do, because you don't have any in's to the Journey camp. Those were severed long ago.

[Andrew]

And here's Andrew, with a witty opening phrase that just screams hostility. Where are your manners? I suppose, along with common sense, they're locked deep within the half-fried tissue between your ears.

One more post like this sunshine, and it will be your last. I don't tolerate holier-than-thou opinion pushers very well.

Your intitial statement was in support of your adgenda, I merely added balance. Don't bother trying to argue any point back with me again, because - quite frankly - the more words people use to say something, normally indicates the fact they have noting to say in the first place.

[cyndy!]

"Kindness is more important than wisdom, and the recognition of this is the beginning of wisdom."
-Theodore Isaac Rubin

[Saint John]

"Kindness is more important than wisdom, and the recognition of this is the beginning of wisdom."
-Theodore Isaac Rubin

"When in doubt, call them out."
-Saint John

[Rhiannon]

"Kindness is more important than wisdom, and the recognition of this is the beginning of wisdom."
-Theodore Isaac Rubin

Drive by morality, brought to you by Miss Cyndy. Cupcakes available in the lobby.

[Strange Medicine]

And here's Andrew, with a witty opening phrase that just screams hostility. Where are your manners? I suppose, along with common sense, they're locked deep within the half-fried tissue between your ears.

One more post like this sunshine, and it will be your last. I don't tolerate holier-than-thou opinion pushers very well.

Your intitial statement was in support of your adgenda, I merely added balance. Don't bother trying to argue any point back with me again, because - quite frankly - the more words people use to say something, normally indicates the fact they have noting to say in the first place.

My "agenda" (aside from self-glorification) was to say that neither JSS nor AP are infallible vocalists, ergo, it's pointless to grill one about his errors and laud the other as if he has none. You were the one who accused me of engaging in revisionist theory, and you've yet to establish proof for that claim. That you are unwilling to argue the case further (and only make a vague reference to my agenda) seems to be conclusive that your accusation is totally baseless and therefore irrelevant.

Can I take this as concession, Andrew?

I'll check back in the morning. Ciao.

[Playitloudforme]

DEANO!

ENOUGH FOR FUCKS SAKE. SHUT UP!

What an asshole....

[Ehwmatt]

Man, I love YouTube and the internet and all the access it gives me to music and boots and what not, but goddamn if it's not ruining the essence of being a music fan. I thought Arnel's performance was good, not great. I'm not going to sit here and explain why the specific way he sang a phrase exactly 2 minutes and 30 seconds into Edge of the Blade detracted from his performance. I'm 21 and I have musically come of age in this digital age and it sometimes saddens me - I know people went to CSNY concerts where the guys were so loaded off of coke they had nosebleeds while they were playing and people still had a hell of a good time. Now we're sitting here debating whether or not Arnel properly pronounced a consonant? Man. I used to get roped into listening to people who are overly critical of every YouTube clip, every bootleg, every slip-up.

As the years go by and almost all the concerts I go to feature members that are at least middle aged, if not fast approaching Social Security eligibility and not getting younger, I've seen enough bands tune down 1/2 a step or a full step so the aging vocalist can make it through the show without keeling over, slow the tempos down so the guitarist can keep up on that once-blazing solo he recorded, heard the harmonies canned and played through a backing tape because the backing vocalists can't hit the notes anymore, so on and so forth. The point is, live shows aren't perfect, especially as the guys get older. Unless the guys are just absolutely terrible (see: drunk Eddie from the last Van Hagar tour), I'm grateful I'll be able to say I saw some of my all-time favorite/most influential musicians play some of my favorite music, and Journey is no exception, even if the mighty Perry isn't fronting the band. Some of you may honestly not be able to stand hearing Arnel's take on the classics.

As Journey goes, I am grateful to hear someone do most of the songs justice (Stone In Love was bad, I must agree) and hear and see the fretboard work of the man who made me dust off the guitar that had been idle in its stand until I saw him play when I was 16 - Neal. I guess somewhere in this rambling, I think my point is some of you need to take a step back and realize that the music is bigger than a missed consonant or even an entire butchered song in a live set, and certainly bigger than any of the band members' personalities/actions. By all reports, Don Henley is one of the biggest dickheads in the biz, but that doesn't mean I won't shell out good money to go see The Eagles or Henley solo and listen to any and all new stuff he puts out. I won't even panic when I realize Henley plays all his older stuff a full step down from the original studio key anymore. The music is bigger than that.

Give Arnel a chance, I think he'll only get better. He's got a shitload of talent and hopefully a lot of upside. It's impossible to predict the latter, but let's hope for the best. Maybe you won't ever like him, maybe you won't ever go see Journey until JSS, Jeremy, Perry, Augeri, or whoever your preferred flavor is manning the mic. But give the man a chance past his first performance on a shitty YouTube bootleg video. Some of you have been fans for 30+ years and cite the "legacy." Wouldn't it be worth giving the remaining guys WILLING to go out and play the music the chance to do some justice to that legacy and keep a three decade tradition alive? Doesn't the music deserve a bigger chance than one green night broadcast over a far from perfect medium? Think about it. If this post sounds preachy, it's because I guess it is. I just would hate to see any of you get cheated out of having FUN at what I still believe will be a great concert when it comes my way. ProgRocker said it best, Journey is the sum of the parts. Not just Arnel, JSS, Augeri, or even Perry. Holy shit this is long.

[dcvader]

Barry is a copy cover guitarist, and so is Jeremey.

Hey Jeremey. I didn't mind your banter, but your blog is [b]not truthful. Care to wage a little debate?[/quote[/b]]

Bud you need to stop bashing Jeremey,he has been singing and doing Journey tunes for years and has made more Journey fans especially with collage kids. He could have been{and should have been} Journeys lead singer.he is not now,why not lay off the dude.,thanks SW

I see Dean has once again put up a post, then take it down. Thanks to SteveW for capturing it.

Dean, I don't know what you have against Jeremey, but leave him out of this thread. You know squat about what happened during the audition. And don't make it sound like you do, because you don't have any in's to the Journey camp. Those were severed long ago.

Perhaps you should look into fat free food you hysterical hippo. Stay the fuck out of this or I will buttfuck the livin shit out of you.
Jeremey is a fat fake tanned lying sonofabitch. Don't think I don't know what I am talking of? Sallee, you should keep to your own business. You are woefully under powered you Magilla Gorilla lookin bitch. If I were you, and looked as ugly as you, I would stay the fuck out of conversations that don't pertain to you. And before you open your bear cave sized pie hle, remember, I was there, so don't be like that idiot AR and try to lie your way through to get to me. I am as honest as they come, and none of you asspimples can nail me on a lie.

Now back away from the computer and hit the treadmill Sallee, then feel free to mix in a salad you fuckin ogre.

PS- You brought this all on yourself. Didn't have to be that way, and also, I didn't delete my post you sour snatch. Andrew or T Bone did.

Dean, I have no issues with your family (Lula & little one). But I have gotta ask you this. Why can't leave the ladies alone? This is not about any other site or it’s members. Just my thoughts.

Come on big guy, gimme a fucking break. You always talk about "Andrew's site and take care of it", "do what the owner of the site would want". Over the years you have done more to destroy it than help it. Why Andrew keeps you here is beyond me, gotta be some behind the scenes stuff to that.

You are the biggest Kool Aid drinker of them all. You are such a flip flopper it's not funny. You make John Kerry look tame. Do you remember how pissed you were during SA's problems? Do you remember how pissed you were when people said JSS was not good enough? Do you remember how pissed you were when JSS was fired?

You were so pissed at JOURNEY and you would never taken them back, we heard all the shit. You called Schon every name in the book. They were even going to sue you (remember).

Why are you a Jeremey HATER and an Arnel lover? You can't be serious. There is no comparison, regardless as to why or what made their decision. The only reason you have a hard on for Arney is to be IN, fuck that!! Where is your passion, your heart. You have changed, you are not the same guy. Why do you say that he such a "B-" singer or that he is a "karaoke singer" when you have never seen him LIVE. If You Tube is good enough for your boy Neal, it should be good enough for you to hear Jeremey. There is no way you truly believe Jeremey is as bad as you say. You are just trying to piss "us" off and cater to your base.

You were instantly shitty towards Barry (Frontiers guitar player) from the first minute you ever interacted with him. Yeah, he is not Neal Schon (he will tell you that BTW). Barry is a great guy and should not be shit by you every chance you get.

I am no saint, I know that. But, my stance has never changed about the JSS firing and Arnel hiring. Every time someone (usually a lady) has a problem or voices an opinion against yours you have to bust their ass and be really fucking nasty to them. Why are you so angry (you are kissing all the right ass and should still get your tickets and passes), why can't you be normal and TRY to get along with people, you try to pick fights all the time????

Now here it is, go ahead and talk about my grammar, my teeth, my Mom, my Dad, my kids, my wife, my house, my political stance, my car, my friends, the state that I live in, places that I have been, places that I not been and anything else that you can use to divert the conversation and get all of the other MR ROBOTS ( you know who you are ) to attack me with.

Dean, it's time for you to stop your act, you look worse than the band JOURNEY itself. Which is an absolute joke.

[Rockindeano]

DEANO!

ENOUGH FOR FUCKS SAKE. SHUT UP!

What an asshole....

Better than being a dried up snatch.