Manila YouTubes here.

[Behshad]

I have moved on and I am not bitter. It just baffles me that so many here look the other way with regards to slime ball practice, fraudulent behaviour, and frankly, low life personnel practice- Lip Syncing, deceiving fans, knifing "sit in singers" in the back, professional scalping of ticket sales against said fans....shall I go on?

I'm not aware of any slime ball practices or fraudulent behavior. They didn't knife anybody and I'm not sure what you are talking about professional scalping of tickets sales.

Sorry Tom. Not taking your bait here. Too smart for that.

I'm serious, what ticket scalping are you talking about.

He said he is too smart, so give it up

[stevew2]

I have moved on and I am not bitter. It just baffles me that so many here look the other way with regards to slime ball practice, fraudulent behaviour, and frankly, low life personnel practice- Lip Syncing, deceiving fans, knifing "sit in singers" in the back, professional scalping of ticket sales against said fans....shall I go on?

I'm not aware of any slime ball practices or fraudulent behavior. They didn't knife anybody and I'm not sure what you are talking about professional scalping of tickets sales.

Sorry Tom. Not taking your bait here. Too smart for that.

I'm serious, what ticket scalping are you talking about.

You still got a little boner from listening to "The Search is Over' you cock basket

[Tito]

I have moved on and I am not bitter. It just baffles me that so many here look the other way with regards to slime ball practice, fraudulent behaviour, and frankly, low life personnel practice- Lip Syncing, deceiving fans, knifing "sit in singers" in the back, professional scalping of ticket sales against said fans....shall I go on?

I'm not aware of any slime ball practices or fraudulent behavior. They didn't knife anybody and I'm not sure what you are talking about professional scalping of tickets sales.

Are you serious, you are so fuckin stupid,Lipped vocals lead w/Steve Augeri, Frigas vocals were lipped on every generation on the Sturgis concert footage they showed on VH! not to mention the piped in vocals they do at every concert they do, They always got a cut of The I love all access tickets, not to mention they way they dumped there lead singers,and lie about something on every interveiw. You must have had your head in Survivers ass this weekend, cause you make no sense you Homo

1. They did nothing wrong in letting go ANY singers.
2. Like they're the only ones that use backing tracks. Just Journey's fans or sour grapes ex-fans complain about their use.
3. Who cares if they get a cut of the I Love Access tix, that's the point, dummy. They didn't come up with the concept either. Bands that don't use I Love Access, have fan club tickets - would you prefer that route or would you just complain about that too.
4. What lies in interviews? Could it be just their side of the story and could that at least, on occasion, also be the truth.
5. Who's ass do you have your head up...always, because you never make any sense.

[Behshad]

You two will never have any problems, cause you both know how to communicate

[The_Noble_Cause]

Just noticed Neal dusted off the Majestic as the intro..nice touch.

[stevew2]

I have moved on and I am not bitter. It just baffles me that so many here look the other way with regards to slime ball practice, fraudulent behaviour, and frankly, low life personnel practice- Lip Syncing, deceiving fans, knifing "sit in singers" in the back, professional scalping of ticket sales against said fans....shall I go on?

I'm not aware of any slime ball practices or fraudulent behavior. They didn't knife anybody and I'm not sure what you are talking about professional scalping of tickets sales.

Are you serious, you are so fuckin stupid,Lipped vocals lead w/Steve Augeri, Frigas vocals were lipped on every generation on the Sturgis concert footage they showed on VH! not to mention the piped in vocals they do at every concert they do, They always got a cut of The I love all access tickets, not to mention they way they dumped there lead singers,and lie about something on every interveiw. You must have had your head in Survivers ass this weekend, cause you make no sense you Homo

1. They did nothing wrong in letting go ANY singers.
2. Like they're the only ones that use backing tracks. Just Journey's fans or sour grapes ex-fans complain about their use.
3. Who cares if they get a cut of the I Love Access tix, that's the point, dummy. They didn't come up with the concept either. Bands that don't use I Love Access, have fan club tickets - would you prefer that route or would you just complain about that too.
4. What lies in interviews? Could it be just their side of the story and could that at least, on occasion, also be the truth.
5. Who's ass do you have your head up...always, because you never make any sense.

I have to much shit today then to re-educate your dumb ass again.I have told you before, and you forget.i dont know why I bother,you must have as many brain cells as my left nut,Ill get back to you later and prove you wrong like I always do .Have a good day numbnuts

[Behshad]

I have moved on and I am not bitter. It just baffles me that so many here look the other way with regards to slime ball practice, fraudulent behaviour, and frankly, low life personnel practice- Lip Syncing, deceiving fans, knifing "sit in singers" in the back, professional scalping of ticket sales against said fans....shall I go on?

I'm not aware of any slime ball practices or fraudulent behavior. They didn't knife anybody and I'm not sure what you are talking about professional scalping of tickets sales.

Are you serious, you are so fuckin stupid,Lipped vocals lead w/Steve Augeri, Frigas vocals were lipped on every generation on the Sturgis concert footage they showed on VH! not to mention the piped in vocals they do at every concert they do, They always got a cut of The I love all access tickets, not to mention they way they dumped there lead singers,and lie about something on every interveiw. You must have had your head in Survivers ass this weekend, cause you make no sense you Homo

1. They did nothing wrong in letting go ANY singers.
2. Like they're the only ones that use backing tracks. Just Journey's fans or sour grapes ex-fans complain about their use.
3. Who cares if they get a cut of the I Love Access tix, that's the point, dummy. They didn't come up with the concept either. Bands that don't use I Love Access, have fan club tickets - would you prefer that route or would you just complain about that too.
4. What lies in interviews? Could it be just their side of the story and could that at least, on occasion, also be the truth.
5. Who's ass do you have your head up...always, because you never make any sense.

I have to much shit today then to re-educate your dumb ass again.I have told you before, and you forget.i dont know why I bother,you must have as many brain cells as my left nut,Ill get back to you later and prove you wrong like I always do .Have a good day numbnuts

This came to mind when thinkin of you two educating one another

[Tito]

I have moved on and I am not bitter. It just baffles me that so many here look the other way with regards to slime ball practice, fraudulent behaviour, and frankly, low life personnel practice- Lip Syncing, deceiving fans, knifing "sit in singers" in the back, professional scalping of ticket sales against said fans....shall I go on?

I'm not aware of any slime ball practices or fraudulent behavior. They didn't knife anybody and I'm not sure what you are talking about professional scalping of tickets sales.

Are you serious, you are so fuckin stupid,Lipped vocals lead w/Steve Augeri, Frigas vocals were lipped on every generation on the Sturgis concert footage they showed on VH! not to mention the piped in vocals they do at every concert they do, They always got a cut of The I love all access tickets, not to mention they way they dumped there lead singers,and lie about something on every interveiw. You must have had your head in Survivers ass this weekend, cause you make no sense you Homo

1. They did nothing wrong in letting go ANY singers.
2. Like they're the only ones that use backing tracks. Just Journey's fans or sour grapes ex-fans complain about their use.
3. Who cares if they get a cut of the I Love Access tix, that's the point, dummy. They didn't come up with the concept either. Bands that don't use I Love Access, have fan club tickets - would you prefer that route or would you just complain about that too.
4. What lies in interviews? Could it be just their side of the story and could that at least, on occasion, also be the truth.
5. Who's ass do you have your head up...always, because you never make any sense.

I have to much shit today then to re-educate your dumb ass again.I have told you before, and you forget.i dont know why I bother,you must have as many brain cells as my left nut,Ill get back to you later and prove you wrong like I always do .Have a good day numbnuts

Ok, you prove my wrong.

[Gideon]

Just noticed Neal dusted off the Majestic as the intro..nice touch.

I'm pretty certain they did that throughout the last tour.

[The_Noble_Cause]

I'm pretty certain they did that throughout the last tour.

Yes, I knew they had used it.
Still, for a DVD that's going to be 80% post-Rolie material, I thought it was a nice nod to the past.

[Saint John]

I'm pretty certain they did that throughout the last tour.

Yes, I knew they had used it.
Still, for a DVD that's going to be 80% post-Rolie material, I thought it was a nice nod to the past.

Am I mistaken or was Majestic and The (Journey) Revelation played before the show started in Manila? I am almost positive I heard both.

[Gideon]

I'm pretty certain they did that throughout the last tour.

Yes, I knew they had used it.
Still, for a DVD that's going to be 80% post-Rolie material, I thought it was a nice nod to the past.

It's a pretty solid introduction, too.

[Rockindeano]

Ok, (stevew)you prove my wrong.

Allow me to.

1. They did nothing wrong in letting go ANY singers.

No? Well they used Augeri, made him do the inexplicable, and then let him take the heat. Then they formerly hired Jeff Scott Soto, signed him, and then went behind his back and looked for other singers while he was still in their employ. Not only that, they let JSS go to Europe and wrap up tours with is former band, which Jeff did professionally, while they searched for replacements here. they are a spineless bunch, all of them, especially, Azoff, Schon and most of all, Friga. They did not once call or text, or even fucking email Soto. Kevin Cronin is the one who mentioned it to him while he was in Europe! How professional of Journey!

2. Like they're the only ones that use backing tracks. Just Journey's fans or sour grapes ex-fans complain about their use.

We're not talking backing vox Einstein. We are talking full fledged lead singing vocals being mimed to a fucking tape. Both Augeri and your hero Jonathan Friga, lipped their songs.

Sour grapes? You don't care that a rock band used tapes to fool thousands of fans and take their hard earned money for a fraudulent act huh? That's right, a while back, you advocated the use of tapes for Pineda when he was struggling, and IIRC, you were ok with tapes.

3. Who cares if they get a cut of the I Love Access tix, that's the point, dummy. They didn't come up with the concept either. Bands that don't use I Love Access, have fan club tickets - would you prefer that route or would you just complain about that too.

Moron, can you not read? Irving Azoff runs a professional scalper system. He puts tickets up for sale and in 4 minutes, they show :"sold out" but available on his sister site Tickets Now for 300% the face. Bruce called him on it and got his fans money back. Azoff is a snake. Go read up on it, your misinformed ass is being embarrassed.

4. What lies in interviews? Could it be just their side of the story and could that at least, on occasion, also be the truth.

I wish you knew what you are talking about. There isn't an ounce of truth in anything they have publicly said i the last 4 years.

5. Who's ass do you have your head up...always, because you never make any sense.

I just 100% completely, and truthfully explained to you everything you asked.

You, not stevew, are the one who has made ZERO sense.

[Deacon]

Lol -- it gives me solace to know that I only had one piece of hate mail to read today, Jessiah.

What about you?

[Gideon]

Lol -- it gives me solace to know that I only had one piece of hate mail to read today, Jessiah.

What about you?

I didn't get a response from Deano, no.

[Deacon]

Lol -- it gives me solace to know that I only had one piece of hate mail to read today, Jessiah.

What about you?

I didn't get a response from Deano, no.

You will now, ho.

He'll go buck crazay on yo' ass.

[Gideon]

Lol -- it gives me solace to know that I only had one piece of hate mail to read today, Jessiah.

What about you?

I didn't get a response from Deano, no.

You will now, ho.

He'll go buck crazay on yo' ass.

Maybe, lol.

Henceforth, use the PM system. We don't like this kinda spam around here.

[Michigan Girl]

Hey guys, how was school today?!?!?

[Gideon]

Hey guys, how was school today?!?!?

Fantastic for me.

[Deacon]

Hey guys, how was school today?!?!?

Fantastic for me.

And I, as well.

[Tito]

Bolded are my responses. Italics are Rockin Deano.

1. They did nothing wrong in letting go ANY singers.

RD: No? Well they used Augeri, made him do the inexplicable, and then let him take the heat. Then they formerly hired Jeff Scott Soto, signed him, and then went behind his back and looked for other singers while he was still in their employ. Not only that, they let JSS go to Europe and wrap up tours with is former band, which Jeff did professionally, while they searched for replacements here. they are a spineless bunch, all of them, especially, Azoff, Schon and most of all, Friga. They did not once call or text, or even fucking email Soto. Kevin Cronin is the one who mentioned it to him while he was in Europe! How professional of Journey!

Augeri didn't have to if he didn't want to. Should they have cancelled those shows in Europe, probably. But they didn't. I ain't losing sleep either way. As far as Jeff Scott Soto, fuck him already. How many more years do I have to listen to this piss and moaning. No one cares about him. As far as Azoff. You should read the Sun Times article on him yesterday. You'll like it.

We're not talking backing vox Einstein. We are talking full fledged lead singing vocals being mimed to a fucking tape. Both Augeri and your hero Jonathan Friga, lipped their songs.

Sour grapes? You don't care that a rock band used tapes to fool thousands of fans and take their hard earned money for a fraudulent act huh? That's right, a while back, you advocated the use of tapes for Pineda when he was struggling, and IIRC, you were ok with tapes.

See above. But I would add. Did those fans enjoy the shows and did not know they were lipping? I would say the fans enjoyed the shows and didn't know. A good time was had by all - which is the most important thing. There ain't no Santa Claus either, but I still have good childhood memories of Christmas.

3. Who cares if they get a cut of the I Love Access tix, that's the point, dummy. They didn't come up with the concept either. Bands that don't use I Love Access, have fan club tickets - would you prefer that route or would you just complain about that too.

RD: Moron, can you not read? Irving Azoff runs a professional scalper system. He puts tickets up for sale and in 4 minutes, they show :"sold out" but available on his sister site Tickets Now for 300% the face. Bruce called him on it and got [i]his fans money back. Azoff is a snake. Go read up on it, your misinformed ass is being embarrassed.[/i][/quote]

Smart business move. It's about time they got smart. I would rather the artist get the money, than some shade ball ticket scalper. If you don't like the price, don't pay for the ticket. The market will determine the price. This is no big deal to me at all. I'm sure in the future, it will become even more of an auction for seats. They do a little of it now, but you watch in time, all the seats (at least the good ones) will be auctioned off. By the way, it sounds like you have more of problem with Azoff than Journey. Again, there not the first to do it and not the only ones. As far as Bruce goes, did he get his money first and then complain like he did with Walmart?

4. What lies in interviews? Could it be just their side of the story and could that at least, on occasion, also be the truth.

RD: I wish you knew what you are talking about. There isn't an ounce of truth in anything they have publicly said i the last 4 years.[/quote]

Says who? Your sources? They ain't lied to me. I pay to go see them once a year and bought a new CD last year. I haven't seen anything that was proven wrong in any interview. Where have they lied to me.

You, not stevew, are the one who has made ZERO sense.

SteveW never makes sense.

I see I fucked up using the quote function like others did. I don't have time to go back and fix.

[Michigan Girl]

WTH?!?!?!

[Onestepper]

1. They did nothing wrong in letting go ANY singers.

No? Well they used Augeri, made him do the inexplicable, and then let him take the heat. Then they formerly hired Jeff Scott Soto, signed him, and then went behind his back and looked for other singers while he was still in their employ. Not only that, they let JSS go to Europe and wrap up tours with is former band, which Jeff did professionally, while they searched for replacements here. they are a spineless bunch, all of them, especially, Azoff, Schon and most of all, Friga. They did not once call or text, or even fucking email Soto. Kevin Cronin is the one who mentioned it to him while he was in Europe! How professional of Journey!

Augeri didn't have to if he didn't want to. Should they have cancelled those shows in Europe, probably. But they didn't. I ain't losing sleep either way. As far as Jeff Scott Soto, fuck him already. How many more years do I have to listen to this piss and moaning. No one cares about him. As far as Azoff. You should read the Sun Times article on him yesterday. You'll like it.

We're not talking backing vox Einstein. We are talking full fledged lead singing vocals being mimed to a fucking tape. Both Augeri and your hero Jonathan Friga, lipped their songs.

Sour grapes? You don't care that a rock band used tapes to fool thousands of fans and take their hard earned money for a fraudulent act huh? That's right, a while back, you advocated the use of tapes for Pineda when he was struggling, and IIRC, you were ok with tapes.

See above. But I would add. Did those fans enjoy the shows and did not know they were lipping? I would say the fans enjoyed the shows and didn't know. A good time was had by all - which is the most important thing. There ain't no Santa Claus either, but I still have good childhood memories of Christmas.

3. Who cares if they get a cut of the I Love Access tix, that's the point, dummy. They didn't come up with the concept either. Bands that don't use I Love Access, have fan club tickets - would you prefer that route or would you just complain about that too.

Moron, can you not read? Irving Azoff runs a professional scalper system. He puts tickets up for sale and in 4 minutes, they show :"sold out" but available on his sister site Tickets Now for 300% the face. Bruce called him on it and got his fans money back. Azoff is a snake. Go read up on it, your misinformed ass is being embarrassed.

Smart business move. It's about time they got smart. I would rather the artist get the money, than some shade ball ticket scalper. If you don't like the price, don't pay for the ticket. The market will determine the price. This is no big deal to me at all. I'm sure in the future, it will become even more of an auction for seats. They do a little of it now, but you watch in time, all the seats (at least the good ones) will be auctioned off. By the way, it sounds like you have more of problem with Azoff than Journey. Again, there not the first to do it and not the only ones. As far as Bruce goes, did he get his money first and then complain like he did with Walmart?

4. What lies in interviews? Could it be just their side of the story and could that at least, on occasion, also be the truth.

I wish you knew what you are talking about. There isn't an ounce of truth in anything they have publicly said i the last 4 years.[/quote]

Says who? Your sources? They ain't lied to me. I pay to go see them once a year and bought a new CD last year. I haven't seen anything that was proven wrong in any interview. Where have they lied to me.

You, not stevew, are the one who has made ZERO sense.

SteveW never makes sense.

I see I fucked up using the quote function like others did. I don't have time to go back and fix.

I will disagree with one thing that you said at the start...NO ONE MADE SA sing with tapes. NO ONE. He could have said no, or walked away and he did neither. People need to own up to their actions. If those fans were cheated, he is just as responsible for that as any other member of the band or management. Period.

[Michigan Girl]

Are you sure Tito said that, OS?!?!

OK, you changed something!!

[Tito]

Are you sure Tito said that, OS?!?!

I said that.

I fucked up the quote functions. I'll go back and bold my responses.

[S2M]

ooops

[Onestepper]

Are you sure Tito said that, OS?!?!

Yep...looks like it...

Tito wrote:

Rockindeano wrote:
1. They did nothing wrong in letting go ANY singers.



No? Well they used Augeri, made him do the inexplicable, and then let him take the heat.

[Michigan Girl]

Are you sure Tito said that, OS?!?!

Yep...looks like it...

Tito wrote:

Rockindeano wrote:
1. They did nothing wrong in letting go ANY singers.



No? Well they used Augeri, made him do the inexplicable, and then let him take the heat.

You're right....Sorry, I'm Confused!!

[Tito]

Are you sure Tito said that, OS?!?!

Yep...looks like it...

Tito wrote:

Rockindeano wrote:
1. They did nothing wrong in letting go ANY singers.



No? Well they used Augeri, made him do the inexplicable, and then let him take the heat.

You're right....Sorry, I'm Confused!!

I fixed it...kind of.

[S2M]

1. They did nothing wrong in letting go ANY singers.

No? Well they used Augeri, made him do the inexplicable, and then let him take the heat. Then they formerly hired Jeff Scott Soto, signed him, and then went behind his back and looked for other singers while he was still in their employ. Not only that, they let JSS go to Europe and wrap up tours with is former band, which Jeff did professionally, while they searched for replacements here. they are a spineless bunch, all of them, especially, Azoff, Schon and most of all, Friga. They did not once call or text, or even fucking email Soto. Kevin Cronin is the one who mentioned it to him while he was in Europe! How professional of Journey!

Augeri didn't have to if he didn't want to. Should they have cancelled those shows in Europe, probably. But they didn't. I ain't losing sleep either way. As far as Jeff Scott Soto, fuck him already. How many more years do I have to listen to this piss and moaning. No one cares about him. As far as Azoff. You should read the Sun Times article on him yesterday. You'll like it.

We're not talking backing vox Einstein. We are talking full fledged lead singing vocals being mimed to a fucking tape. Both Augeri and your hero Jonathan Friga, lipped their songs.

Sour grapes? You don't care that a rock band used tapes to fool thousands of fans and take their hard earned money for a fraudulent act huh? That's right, a while back, you advocated the use of tapes for Pineda when he was struggling, and IIRC, you were ok with tapes.

See above. But I would add. Did those fans enjoy the shows and did not know they were lipping? I would say the fans enjoyed the shows and didn't know. A good time was had by all - which is the most important thing. There ain't no Santa Claus either, but I still have good childhood memories of Christmas.

3. Who cares if they get a cut of the I Love Access tix, that's the point, dummy. They didn't come up with the concept either. Bands that don't use I Love Access, have fan club tickets - would you prefer that route or would you just complain about that too.

Moron, can you not read? Irving Azoff runs a professional scalper system. He puts tickets up for sale and in 4 minutes, they show :"sold out" but available on his sister site Tickets Now for 300% the face. Bruce called him on it and got his fans money back. Azoff is a snake. Go read up on it, your misinformed ass is being embarrassed.

Smart business move. It's about time they got smart. I would rather the artist get the money, than some shade ball ticket scalper. If you don't like the price, don't pay for the ticket. The market will determine the price. This is no big deal to me at all. I'm sure in the future, it will become even more of an auction for seats. They do a little of it now, but you watch in time, all the seats (at least the good ones) will be auctioned off. By the way, it sounds like you have more of problem with Azoff than Journey. Again, there not the first to do it and not the only ones. As far as Bruce goes, did he get his money first and then complain like he did with Walmart?

4. What lies in interviews? Could it be just their side of the story and could that at least, on occasion, also be the truth.

I wish you knew what you are talking about. There isn't an ounce of truth in anything they have publicly said i the last 4 years.

Says who? Your sources? They ain't lied to me. I pay to go see them once a year and bought a new CD last year. I haven't seen anything that was proven wrong in any interview. Where have they lied to me.

You, not stevew, are the one who has made ZERO sense.

SteveW never makes sense.

I see I fucked up using the quote function like others did. I don't have time to go back and fix.[/quote]


I will disagree with one thing that you said at the start...NO ONE MADE SA sing with tapes. NO ONE. He could have said no, or walked away and he did neither. People need to own up to their actions. If those fans were cheated, he is just as responsible for that as any other member of the band or management. Period.[/quote]


And Smitty, and Valory didn't need to be shitcanned on ROR either.....no one had to listen to Perry.....but they did. Everyone is culpable.