"journey" press conference this week in Sweden

[strangegrey]

Frank, aren't you an unemployed accountant? If that's still the case, maybe you can get a job counting Arnel's money.

Not any more, douchebag....and aren't you still living in your mommy's basement, assface?

[strangegrey]

This does not surprise me.

And somebody said nobody is slamming Arnel here, yeah right.

It's more of the same disgusting bigotry spewed around the rest of the internet. If it's not bigotry, then what is it? Find me the justification for all this hate. There is none. Arnel is simply a good man doing a great job, overcoming many hurdles that most of us have never seen. And he fights thru it all with a smile and without judgement. It's ok to not be a fan of the singer, but leave the other shit alone.

There should be zero tolerance for bigotry of any kind around here. When you start bringing people's race and ethnicity into these discussions, they've gone too far. Obviously, that doesn't excite me a little......

Hey, look at this...the race baiter's are crawling out from their fucking holes!

I have no problem with arnel being white, yellow, black, green or red...so take your baiting, and shove it in your disgusting ass...

I haven't made one bigoted comment in this entire thread. Is arnel not a Pinoy? When Pinoy becomes a racial slur, make sure you fucking tell me...but until then, you can go fuck yourself. It is simply an identifying characteristic.....holy fuck, you race baiters are so fucking despicable.

I can't help it if you're not educated enough to understand the directionality of my statement....so let me be perfectly fucking clear, race-baiter. I have a problem with Journey's use (or passive allowance) of Arnel's so-called poverty stricken history. Their claim that Journey pulled Arnel out of a back alley sewer in Manila, where Arnel was sleeping in a box eating bugs and whatever he can beg from people is JUST NOT FUCKING TRUE....and the band's capitalization of this has contributed, in part, to the MARGINAL success this band has achieved over the past 2 years. It has galvanized support from pinoys overseas and here that would have otherwise not given two shits about him, had the story been that he had a repeating gig singing for the hard rock cafe and he had a comfortable income....and it has most certainly attracted the attention of weak whites here in the states who are susceptible to race-baiting and feeling remorse on racial issues here they likely had no direct or indirect impact with.

Holy fuck....for fucks sake....keep this at the issue....and don't drag this into another one of your racial crusades. You people are as predictable as a dog's bowel cycle....

[YoungJRNY]

MR's going through a faze of sexual frustration. Everyone's so bound to snap at someone's hand lately.

I am entertained.

[DavidC]

This does not surprise me.

And somebody said nobody is slamming Arnel here, yeah right.

It's more of the same disgusting bigotry spewed around the rest of the internet. If it's not bigotry, then what is it? Find me the justification for all this hate. There is none. Arnel is simply a good man doing a great job, overcoming many hurdles that most of us have never seen. And he fights thru it all with a smile and without judgement. It's ok to not be a fan of the singer, but leave the other shit alone.

There should be zero tolerance for bigotry of any kind around here. When you start bringing people's race and ethnicity into these discussions, they've gone too far. Obviously, that doesn't excite me a little......

Hey, look at this...the race baiter's are crawling out from their fucking holes!

I have no problem with arnel being white, yellow, black, green or red...so take your baiting, and shove it in your disgusting ass...

I haven't made one bigoted comment in this entire thread. Is arnel not a Pinoy? When Pinoy becomes a racial slur, make sure you fucking tell me...but until then, you can go fuck yourself. It is simply an identifying characteristic.....holy fuck, you race baiters are so fucking despicable.

I can't help it if you're not educated enough to understand the directionality of my statement....so let me be perfectly fucking clear, race-baiter. I have a problem with Journey's use (or passive allowance) of Arnel's so-called poverty stricken history. Their claim that Journey pulled Arnel out of a back alley sewer in Manila, where Arnel was sleeping in a box eating bugs and whatever he can beg from people is JUST NOT FUCKING TRUE....and the band's capitalization of this has contributed, in part, to the MARGINAL success this band has achieved over the past 2 years. It has galvanized support from pinoys overseas and here that would have otherwise not given two shits about him, had the story been that he had a repeating gig singing for the hard rock cafe and he had a comfortable income....and it has most certainly attracted the attention of weak whites here in the states who are susceptible to race-baiting and feeling remorse on racial issues here they likely had no direct or indirect impact with.


Holy fuck....for fucks sake....keep this at the issue....and don't drag this into another one of your racial crusades. You people are as predictable as a dog's bowel cycle....

The only reason people start screaming "race" on this board at a particular post when the post at issue has nothing to do with race, its because they don't like the opinion (or facts) being expressed, and so they play the race card, because they have nothing better to say in defense of "St. Arnel", the presumed "deliverer/savior" of "journey". That's the OLDEST trick in the book. Come on, people, you can come up with better material than that!!! That has been and always will be LAME.

Peace.

[Chubby321]

This does not surprise me.

And somebody said nobody is slamming Arnel here, yeah right.

It's more of the same disgusting bigotry spewed around the rest of the internet. If it's not bigotry, then what is it? Find me the justification for all this hate. There is none. Arnel is simply a good man doing a great job, overcoming many hurdles that most of us have never seen. And he fights thru it all with a smile and without judgement. It's ok to not be a fan of the singer, but leave the other shit alone.

There should be zero tolerance for bigotry of any kind around here. When you start bringing people's race and ethnicity into these discussions, they've gone too far. Obviously, that doesn't excite me a little......

Hey, look at this...the race baiter's are crawling out from their fucking holes!

I have no problem with arnel being white, yellow, black, green or red...so take your baiting, and shove it in your disgusting ass...

I haven't made one bigoted comment in this entire thread. Is arnel not a Pinoy? When Pinoy becomes a racial slur, make sure you fucking tell me...but until then, you can go fuck yourself. It is simply an identifying characteristic.....holy fuck, you race baiters are so fucking despicable.

I can't help it if you're not educated enough to understand the directionality of my statement....so let me be perfectly fucking clear, race-baiter. I have a problem with Journey's use (or passive allowance) of Arnel's so-called poverty stricken history. Their claim that Journey pulled Arnel out of a back alley sewer in Manila, where Arnel was sleeping in a box eating bugs and whatever he can beg from people is JUST NOT FUCKING TRUE....and the band's capitalization of this has contributed, in part, to the MARGINAL success this band has achieved over the past 2 years. It has galvanized support from pinoys overseas and here that would have otherwise not given two shits about him, had the story been that he had a repeating gig singing for the hard rock cafe and he had a comfortable income....and it has most certainly attracted the attention of weak whites here in the states who are susceptible to race-baiting and feeling remorse on racial issues here they likely had no direct or indirect impact with.


Holy fuck....for fucks sake....keep this at the issue....and don't drag this into another one of your racial crusades. You people are as predictable as a dog's bowel cycle....

The only reason people start screaming "race" on this board at a particular post when the post at issue has nothing to do with race, its because they don't like the opinion (or facts) being expressed, and so they play the race card, because they have nothing better to say in defense of "St. Arnel", the presumed "deliverer/savior" of "journey". That's the OLDEST trick in the book. Come on, people, you can come up with better material than that!!! That has been and always will be LAME.

Peace.

Writings reveal somebody's emotion, feelings, intent and character.

Any decent human being will be bothered by your HATRED.

[portland]

Well some feel that the race card is getting pulled on people who don't deserve it......some don't like AP fronting Journey for other reasons......and somehow the converstaion seems to come back to race.

[donnaplease]

Been there, done that. It's lame and really old. You can't have it both ways. Arnel's fans praise his filipino roots and then turn around and call his non-fans racist if they even mention his heritage, and how they feel about how it relates to this band. Major BS.

[portland]

Been there, done that. It's lame and really old. You can't have it both ways. Arnel's fans praise his filipino roots and then turn around and call his non-fans racist if they even mention his heritage, and how they feel about how it relates to this band. Major BS.

I agree.......there are other reasons that I don't like AP fronting Journey...for me it has nothing to do with race

[Jana]

This does not surprise me.

And somebody said nobody is slamming Arnel here, yeah right.

It's more of the same disgusting bigotry spewed around the rest of the internet. If it's not bigotry, then what is it? Find me the justification for all this hate. There is none. Arnel is simply a good man doing a great job, overcoming many hurdles that most of us have never seen. And he fights thru it all with a smile and without judgement. It's ok to not be a fan of the singer, but leave the other shit alone.

There should be zero tolerance for bigotry of any kind around here. When you start bringing people's race and ethnicity into these discussions, they've gone too far. Obviously, that doesn't excite me a little......

Hey, look at this...the race baiter's are crawling out from their fucking holes!

I have no problem with arnel being white, yellow, black, green or red...so take your baiting, and shove it in your disgusting ass...

I haven't made one bigoted comment in this entire thread. Is arnel not a Pinoy? When Pinoy becomes a racial slur, make sure you fucking tell me...but until then, you can go fuck yourself. It is simply an identifying characteristic.....holy fuck, you race baiters are so fucking despicable.

I can't help it if you're not educated enough to understand the directionality of my statement....so let me be perfectly fucking clear, race-baiter. I have a problem with Journey's use (or passive allowance) of Arnel's so-called poverty stricken history. Their claim that Journey pulled Arnel out of a back alley sewer in Manila, where Arnel was sleeping in a box eating bugs and whatever he can beg from people is JUST NOT FUCKING TRUE....and the band's capitalization of this has contributed, in part, to the MARGINAL success this band has achieved over the past 2 years. It has galvanized support from pinoys overseas and here that would have otherwise not given two shits about him, had the story been that he had a repeating gig singing for the hard rock cafe and he had a comfortable income....and it has most certainly attracted the attention of weak whites here in the states who are susceptible to race-baiting and feeling remorse on racial issues here they likely had no direct or indirect impact with.

Holy fuck....for fucks sake....keep this at the issue....and don't drag this into another one of your racial crusades. You people are as predictable as a dog's bowel cycle....

Actually I would agree with you re race, almost, but not quite, b/c you mention Pinoy just a little too much as an insinuated slur. Deny it all you want. Your ugliness in your posts is so directed at your almost blinding hatred for Journey that precedes Arnel and comments on any other subject on MR these days, that every word is almost total filth in your posts or has an ugly, negative connotation, and anything and anybody is fair game to you.

"Their claim they pulled Arnel out of a back alley sewer in Manila where Arnel was sleeping in a box eating bugs" never happened, was never said. I thought you were all about facts, Frank. I guess not.

Excuse me, I need to go take a shower now after reading another of your rants.

[Chubby321]

Been there, done that. It's lame and really old. You can't have it both ways. Arnel's fans praise his filipino roots and then turn around and call his non-fans racist if they even mention his heritage, and how they feel about how it relates to this band. Major BS.

I agree.......there are other reasons that I don't like AP fronting Journey...for me it has nothing to do with race

I don't give a fuck if some people here don't like Arnel as a Journey frontman. They can bitch all they want...doesn't bother me. But if you don't find anything wrong with his post is bs.

Journey can afford to lose a few fans here; they are gaining plenty.

[portland]

I am still a Journey fan.......just not a fan of the current line up...

[Chubby321]

I am still a Journey fan.......just not a fan of the current line up...

I know and you argue your points decently.

[DavidC]

This does not surprise me.

And somebody said nobody is slamming Arnel here, yeah right.

It's more of the same disgusting bigotry spewed around the rest of the internet. If it's not bigotry, then what is it? Find me the justification for all this hate. There is none. Arnel is simply a good man doing a great job, overcoming many hurdles that most of us have never seen. And he fights thru it all with a smile and without judgement. It's ok to not be a fan of the singer, but leave the other shit alone.

There should be zero tolerance for bigotry of any kind around here. When you start bringing people's race and ethnicity into these discussions, they've gone too far. Obviously, that doesn't excite me a little......

Hey, look at this...the race baiter's are crawling out from their fucking holes!

I have no problem with arnel being white, yellow, black, green or red...so take your baiting, and shove it in your disgusting ass...

I haven't made one bigoted comment in this entire thread. Is arnel not a Pinoy? When Pinoy becomes a racial slur, make sure you fucking tell me...but until then, you can go fuck yourself. It is simply an identifying characteristic.....holy fuck, you race baiters are so fucking despicable.

I can't help it if you're not educated enough to understand the directionality of my statement....so let me be perfectly fucking clear, race-baiter. I have a problem with Journey's use (or passive allowance) of Arnel's so-called poverty stricken history. Their claim that Journey pulled Arnel out of a back alley sewer in Manila, where Arnel was sleeping in a box eating bugs and whatever he can beg from people is JUST NOT FUCKING TRUE....and the band's capitalization of this has contributed, in part, to the MARGINAL success this band has achieved over the past 2 years. It has galvanized support from pinoys overseas and here that would have otherwise not given two shits about him, had the story been that he had a repeating gig singing for the hard rock cafe and he had a comfortable income....and it has most certainly attracted the attention of weak whites here in the states who are susceptible to race-baiting and feeling remorse on racial issues here they likely had no direct or indirect impact with.


Holy fuck....for fucks sake....keep this at the issue....and don't drag this into another one of your racial crusades. You people are as predictable as a dog's bowel cycle....

The only reason people start screaming "race" on this board at a particular post when the post at issue has nothing to do with race, its because they don't like the opinion (or facts) being expressed, and so they play the race card, because they have nothing better to say in defense of "St. Arnel", the presumed "deliverer/savior" of "journey". That's the OLDEST trick in the book. Come on, people, you can come up with better material than that!!! That has been and always will be LAME.

Peace.

Writings reveal somebody's emotion, feelings, intent and character.

Any decent human being will be bothered by your HATRED.

Again, just another example of what I was saying....me having an opinion and you not liking it equals hatred. How pathetic. If, as you say, "writings reveal somebody's emotion, feelings, intent and character", then we have a VERY clear picture of you and your writings............and one should think twice before bestowing upon themselves the title of spokesman for "any decent human being". And the Oscar goes to.................

Peace.

[Gideon]

It's absolutely fine to be critical of Arnel. But when it gets to the point that such a mentality is all you live for, all you post for, and you absolutely hate him... then you stumble across the line from critical to pathetic.

And thus you enjoy the derision and the backlash from both Andrew and the rest of the posters here.

On a personal note, I enjoy how a certain section calls out Dan for his comments on Perry, never mind the fact that Dan goes well out of his way to give Perry his due as a vocalist and as a managing force (note that he refers to the span of time before Perry went from "leader" to "tyrant").

There's a fundamental difference. Meanwhile, for the sake of argument, I like to point out that while Perry was the greater singer, he's also on record for being a far greater asshole than Pineda.

[annie89509]

It's absolutely fine to be critical of Arnel. But when it gets to the point that such a mentality is all you live for, all you post for, and you absolutely hate him... then you stumble across the line from critical to pathetic.

And thus you enjoy the derision and the backlash from both Andrew and the rest of the posters here.

On a personal note, I enjoy how a certain section calls out Dan for his comments on Perry, never mind the fact that Dan goes well out of his way to give Perry his due as a vocalist and as a managing force (note that he refers to the span of time before Perry went from "leader" to "tyrant").

There's a fundamental difference. Meanwhile, for the sake of argument, I like to point out that while Perry was the greater singer, he's also on record for being a far greater asshole than Pineda. :wink:

So, what's your point, Giddy ? Why even bring SP into this thread? To you, he's an asshole ... to others, he may not be.

I wouldn't call Strangegrey(Frank) a racist (or bigot) ... a redneck, maybe ... definitely one of the more colorful characters around here. But, hey, most of us are boring, so we need posters like him (and Deano) to spice things up once in awhile, don't we ? And, Jana is right ... Frank has this grudge against Journey pre-dating Arnel ... so, I'm sure it's nothing personal. With the exception of SA, at one time or another, he's lambasted every member of Journey, past and present -- using the same colorful language that's uniquely him .

[Don]

It's absolutely fine to be critical of Arnel. But when it gets to the point that such a mentality is all you live for, all you post for, and you absolutely hate him... then you stumble across the line from critical to pathetic.

And thus you enjoy the derision and the backlash from both Andrew and the rest of the posters here.

On a personal note, I enjoy how a certain section calls out Dan for his comments on Perry, never mind the fact that Dan goes well out of his way to give Perry his due as a vocalist and as a managing force (note that he refers to the span of time before Perry went from "leader" to "tyrant").

There's a fundamental difference. Meanwhile, for the sake of argument, I like to point out that while Perry was the greater singer, he's also on record for being a far greater asshole than Pineda.

I think Strangegrey woud agree with you on that point

[steveo777]

Sorry to go off topic Gunbot, but the more I look at your avatar, the more I realized she looks cute in the face but the body has wear and tear and she's probably much older than she looks. Could you change it please?

[Don]

Sorry to go off topic Gunbot, but the more I look at your avatar, the more I realized she looks cute in the face but the body has wear and tear and she's probably much older than she looks. Could you change it please?

Better?

[SherriBerry]

It's absolutely fine to be critical of Arnel. But when it gets to the point that such a mentality is all you live for, all you post for, and you absolutely hate him... then you stumble across the line from critical to pathetic.

And thus you enjoy the derision and the backlash from both Andrew and the rest of the posters here.

On a personal note, I enjoy how a certain section calls out Dan for his comments on Perry, never mind the fact that Dan goes well out of his way to give Perry his due as a vocalist and as a managing force (note that he refers to the span of time before Perry went from "leader" to "tyrant").

There's a fundamental difference. Meanwhile, for the sake of argument, I like to point out that while Perry was the greater singer, he's also on record for being a far greater asshole than Pineda. :wink:

So, what's your point, Giddy ? Why even bring SP into this thread? To you, he's an asshole ... to others, he may not be.

I wouldn't call Strangegrey(Frank) a racist (or bigot) ... a redneck, maybe ... definitely one of the more colorful characters around here. But, hey, most of us are boring, so we need posters like him (and Deano) to spice things up once in awhile, don't we ? And, Jana is right ... Frank has this grudge against Journey pre-dating Arnel ... so, I'm sure it's nothing personal. With the exception of SA, at one time or another, he's lambasted every member of Journey, past and present -- using the same colorful language that's uniquely him .

Gideon, you recently pointed out to Portland that you consider it obnoxious behaviour when people bring SP into a thread just to "fellate" him, yet this post is another example that you are guilty of the same type of behaviour. The difference is that you often bring SP into the discussion for no other reason than to attack his character.

The discussion is about Arnel and you have unnecessarily brought in SP just to call him an asshole. Had the subject been SP's previous actions, then your opinion of his character might have at least been relevant. I did notice your smooth transition between the points leading up to the last statement, but that is simply an example of good writing skills.

By the way, I hope you are going to university this fall. Pre-law?

[steveo777]

Sorry to go off topic Gunbot, but the more I look at your avatar, the more I realized she looks cute in the face but the body has wear and tear and she's probably much older than she looks. Could you change it please?

Better?

Oooooh, yah! (ain't no virg either) God bless em!

[strangegrey]

"Their claim they pulled Arnel out of a back alley sewer in Manila where Arnel was sleeping in a box eating bugs" never happened, was never said. I thought you were all about facts, Frank. I guess not.

Excuse me, I need to go take a shower now after reading another of your rants.

Bullshit. This story was presented by both the CBS SUnday Morning Show and Ellen Degenerate, with the band sitting there idle by. You don't remember the bile-indicing crap when Cain started pissing on about how Arnel makes him a better person?? That was all right after they spewed on about how Journey pulled Arnel out of deep, homeless poverty.

The band had an opportunity to correct Charles Osgood and John Blackstone for such a factual fallacy, yet they happily let this shameful fact go on unchecked, knowing it would hit them very nicely in the pockets....


Granted, this was also the same time Neal claims he 'discovered' arnel while surfing youtube....another load of crap....but that isn't the sorta lie that really has alot of consequences....but it most certainly piles on the proof that there's alot of lying going on regarding how Arnel came to be with Journey and Arnel's history prior....


Go take that shower....be sure to scrub extra hard to wash the bullshit off of your body. You might need some steel wool....

Journey can afford to lose a few fans here; they are gaining plenty.

LOL. Yeah, OK.....you're funny.

I wouldn't call Strangegrey(Frank) a racist (or bigot) ... a redneck, maybe ... definitely one of the more colorful characters around here. But, hey, most of us are boring, so we need posters like him (and Deano) to spice things up once in awhile, don't we ? And, Jana is right ... Frank has this grudge against Journey pre-dating Arnel ... so, I'm sure it's nothing personal. With the exception of SA, at one time or another, he's lambasted every member of Journey, past and present -- using the same colorful language that's uniquely him .

Wow, someone called me a redneck. That's funny, considering that I live on Long Island.....

Regardless, let me clarify something. I don't have a grudge against Journey. I think Neal Schon has done some fairly shameful things (with respect to his fans that put him in his lifestyle). I'd say similar things about Cain....But I've always loved Journey.

Perhaps this will offer clarification. I find that my fan-ship of Journey and Major League Baseball have similarities. I feel that baseball lost it's one chance....by taking anyone even remotely connected with roids, and throwing them out on their ass, under the 'for the good of the game' clause. They should have done this before Barry Bonds got within spitting distance of McGuire and they should have done this before McGuire got within spitting distance of Marris. Instead, they saw dollar-signs. They burried their face in the sand because owners wanted money, not integrity. In doing so, they now have a sport that has zero integrity, is no longer the "Americas Pastime" that it was....Is no longer the romantic game of honor that it once was. MLB baseball is hoping enough people just don't care, bury their own heads in the sand....and keep buying a product steeped in fraud and dishonesty.

That's sorta the way Journey has gone in my eyes. The shameful way they orchestrated Steve Augeri's dismissal, while collaborating with people on the net....the way they cut JSS's legs out from under him....the lies the encircle the way Arnel was put into this band....I wont go into other things....but it all adds up. After a while, you're sick of the cloak and dagger bullshit that surrounds a band that you thought was one of the good guys.

Grudge is a hard word...I love the music of this band and want to see them progress forward with honesty and integrity...because I think that's what separates the good guys from the bad. I see alot of people here, content to bury their heads in the sand with respect to the fact patter surrounding Arnel....just so they can have their warm fuzzy feelings of finger banging mary-jane rotten crotch in the back of mommy and daddy's chevy wagon in 1983....and it just ain't so.

....There's a fundamental difference. Meanwhile, for the sake of argument, I like to point out that while Perry was the greater singer, he's also on record for being a far greater asshole than Pineda.

I think Strangegrey woud agree with you on that point

I don't think Arnel is an asshole at all. ....would anyone turn down the chance to sing for this band? You'd have to be nuts....good for him....and I do think that Steve Perry is just as much a prick as Cain and Schon. You'd have to be to survive being in a band with them for that long....

But Arnel??? No way.

I feel sorry for Arnel. Someday, he's going to get his ass thrown out of this band for a very poor reason...maybe Arnel will accidentally charge a pizza to Schon's room...who knows!?!?!... But he WILL get shanghai'ed by Schon, Cain and others. I'd bet both my testicles on it. One thing I am wondering....will all of the racists here, who are so willing to charge in with the 'you're a racist' accusation.....will you jump on Schon when he throws out Arnel? It's not a matter of if....it's a matter of when. And you all know it.


Regardless, what I hate, is the bullshit that is thrust by some folks here that Arnel is some second coming of the messiah. The success the band is experiencing right now, is in NO WAY, even close to what the band experienced in the 80s. Arnel might have nudged this band a notch or two higher than Augeri or Soto could have...but let's not start calling it a comeback yet. There's ALOT of additional factors that come into play here...and any one of them can be far more the reason than Arnel's voice.

I'm for calling a spade a spade....There are arneliots here that are more than willing to bury their heads in the sand, ignore the truth, just so they can claim ownership on this....but they're just lying to everyone else and themselves.

[RocknRoll]

Regardless, what I hate, is the bullshit that is thrust by some folks here that Arnel is some second coming of the messiah. The success the band is experiencing right now, is in NO WAY, even close to what the band experienced in the 80s. Arnel might have nudged this band a notch or two higher than Augeri or Soto could have...but let's not start calling it a comeback yet. There's ALOT of additional factors that come into play here...and any one of them can be far more the reason than Arnel's voice.

While I don't often agree with you and your style of posting, I do agree with this. The success (songwriting/music) of Revelation, DSB and the comeback of 80's type bands guaranteed the band some success even with Jeremey, who I'm sure would have done just fine. I do agree with many that AP brought a lot to the band and he's doing a great job. I think Journey's success today has encouraged a lot of other 80's type bands to get back on the road again.

Personally, I don't see Neal or Jon getting rid of Arnel, but rather Arnel leaving on his own. He just doesn't appear to like or hold up well touring and Journey is a live band. I'm sure he'll stick it out a while longer through the next album, but than return permanently to PI where it appears he is the happiest.

[portland]

Regardless, what I hate, is the bullshit that is thrust by some folks here that Arnel is some second coming of the messiah. The success the band is experiencing right now, is in NO WAY, even close to what the band experienced in the 80s. Arnel might have nudged this band a notch or two higher than Augeri or Soto could have...but let's not start calling it a comeback yet. There's ALOT of additional factors that come into play here...and any one of them can be far more the reason than Arnel's voice.

While I don't often agree with you and your style of posting, I do agree with this. The success (songwriting/music) of Revelation, DSB and the comeback of 80's type bands guaranteed the band some success even with Jeremey. I do agree with many that AP brought a lot to the band and he's doing a great job. I think Journey's success today has encouraged a lot of other 80's type bands to get back on the road again.

Personally, I don't see Neal or Jon getting rid of Arnel, but rather Arnel leaving on his own. He just doesn't appear to like or hold up well touring and Journey is a live band. I'm sure he'll stick it out a while longer through the next album, but than return permanently to PI where it appears he is the happiest.

So then what? this is one of my points....how many singers can one band have before it becomes too much? Do they find another person who tries to be the SP clone?

We all know that the ship has passed for Perry to return to Journey....or at least we all believe it has.

So when AP leaves or is let go...or whatever to hell happens .................then what!

[RocknRoll]

Regardless, what I hate, is the bullshit that is thrust by some folks here that Arnel is some second coming of the messiah. The success the band is experiencing right now, is in NO WAY, even close to what the band experienced in the 80s. Arnel might have nudged this band a notch or two higher than Augeri or Soto could have...but let's not start calling it a comeback yet. There's ALOT of additional factors that come into play here...and any one of them can be far more the reason than Arnel's voice.

While I don't often agree with you and your style of posting, I do agree with this. The success (songwriting/music) of Revelation, DSB and the comeback of 80's type bands guaranteed the band some success even with Jeremey. I do agree with many that AP brought a lot to the band and he's doing a great job. I think Journey's success today has encouraged a lot of other 80's type bands to get back on the road again.

Personally, I don't see Neal or Jon getting rid of Arnel, but rather Arnel leaving on his own. He just doesn't appear to like or hold up well touring and Journey is a live band. I'm sure he'll stick it out a while longer through the next album, but than return permanently to PI where it appears he is the happiest.

So then what? this is one of my points....how many singers can one band have before it becomes too much? Do they find another person who tries to be the SP clone?

We all know that the ship has passed for Perry to return to Journey....or at least we all believe it has.

So when AP leaves or is let go...or whatever to hell happens .................then what!

I'm betting on "Good Night," it's been fun, if AP makes it another couple of years.

[Saint John]

Bullshit. This story was presented by both the CBS SUnday Morning Show and Ellen Degenerate, with the band sitting there idle by. You don't remember the bile-indicing crap when Cain started pissing on about how Arnel makes him a better person?? That was all right after they spewed on about how Journey pulled Arnel out of deep, homeless poverty.

I just watched the entire CBS clip again and that's complete garbage, Frank. It said that, for a time, after his mother died when he was THIRTEEN that "Arnel ended up homeless sleeping in a Manila park." It also went on to say right after that "It wasn't until he was older, crooning in Hong Kong nightclubs, that he realized his mother had already given him the only thing he needed to survive." I don't feel like dredging up and watching the Ellen show, but I suspect that you're way off about that one as well. I have never, in any news report, heard it reported that Journey pulled Arnel out of poverty. That's just complete bullshit.

[mdaemon]

"Their claim they pulled Arnel out of a back alley sewer in Manila where Arnel was sleeping in a box eating bugs" never happened, was never said. I thought you were all about facts, Frank. I guess not.

Excuse me, I need to go take a shower now after reading another of your rants.

Bullshit. This story was presented by both the CBS SUnday Morning Show and Ellen Degenerate, with the band sitting there idle by. You don't remember the bile-indicing crap when Cain started pissing on about how Arnel makes him a better person?? That was all right after they spewed on about how Journey pulled Arnel out of deep, homeless poverty.

The band had an opportunity to correct Charles Osgood and John Blackstone for such a factual fallacy, yet they happily let this shameful fact go on unchecked, knowing it would hit them very nicely in the pockets....

Granted, this was also the same time Neal claims he 'discovered' arnel while surfing youtube....another load of crap....but that isn't the sorta lie that really has alot of consequences....but it most certainly piles on the proof that there's alot of lying going on regarding how Arnel came to be with Journey and Arnel's history prior....


Go take that shower....be sure to scrub extra hard to wash the bullshit off of your body. You might need some steel wool....

The stories that I have seen so far say that Arnel was homeless when he was a child. I have never seen, read, or heard a story that said he was homeless when Schon found him. However, if you think that Arnel had an easy life singing at bars, then you are wrong. It doesn't matter if he was performing at the poshest bar in the Philippines; they were all being paid peanuts.

The only thing not accurate about their story was when they said that Neal searched youtube for days. We all know that Nora/tragchick (her friend, actually) found Arnel's video on youtube and posted it here at MR. That was around April 2007. To me it is a small white lie which couldn't even be disproved so I can let that slide.

[mdaemon]

Regardless, what I hate, is the bullshit that is thrust by some folks here that Arnel is some second coming of the messiah. The success the band is experiencing right now, is in NO WAY, even close to what the band experienced in the 80s. Arnel might have nudged this band a notch or two higher than Augeri or Soto could have...but let's not start calling it a comeback yet. There's ALOT of additional factors that come into play here...and any one of them can be far more the reason than Arnel's voice.

While I don't often agree with you and your style of posting, I do agree with this. The success (songwriting/music) of Revelation, DSB and the comeback of 80's type bands guaranteed the band some success even with Jeremey, who I'm sure would have done just fine. I do agree with many that AP brought a lot to the band and he's doing a great job. I think Journey's success today has encouraged a lot of other 80's type bands to get back on the road again.

Personally, I don't see Neal or Jon getting rid of Arnel, but rather Arnel leaving on his own. He just doesn't appear to like or hold up well touring and Journey is a live band. I'm sure he'll stick it out a while longer through the next album, but than return permanently to PI where it appears he is the happiest.

Try living in the Philippines with almost a hand to mouth existence and tell me again that Arnel would leave Journey because he couldn't tour. Sorry dude, but I am sure you don't comprehend how big a leap Arnel made when he became the lead singer of Journey. He is not going to let go of this opportunity.

[Jana]

Bullshit. This story was presented by both the CBS SUnday Morning Show and Ellen Degenerate, with the band sitting there idle by. You don't remember the bile-indicing crap when Cain started pissing on about how Arnel makes him a better person?? That was all right after they spewed on about how Journey pulled Arnel out of deep, homeless poverty.

I just watched the entire CBS clip again and that's complete garbage, Frank. It said that, for a time, after his mother died when he was THIRTEEN that "Arnel ended up homeless sleeping in a Manila park." It also went on to say right after that "It wasn't until he was older, crooning in Hong Kong nightclubs, that he realized his mother had already given him the only thing he needed to survive." I don't feel like dredging up and watching the Ellen show, but I suspect that you're way off about that one as well. I have never, in any news report, heard it reported that Journey pulled Arnel out of poverty. That's just complete bullshit.

Exactly. But Frank got they discovered him in a box in the park eating bugs out of that.

On Ellen, all she did was show a clip of Arnel singing Faithfully and said he put that up on the internet and that's how he was found, paraphrasing. No mention of Neal rescuing him from poverty.

[RocknRoll]

Regardless, what I hate, is the bullshit that is thrust by some folks here that Arnel is some second coming of the messiah. The success the band is experiencing right now, is in NO WAY, even close to what the band experienced in the 80s. Arnel might have nudged this band a notch or two higher than Augeri or Soto could have...but let's not start calling it a comeback yet. There's ALOT of additional factors that come into play here...and any one of them can be far more the reason than Arnel's voice.

While I don't often agree with you and your style of posting, I do agree with this. The success (songwriting/music) of Revelation, DSB and the comeback of 80's type bands guaranteed the band some success even with Jeremey, who I'm sure would have done just fine. I do agree with many that AP brought a lot to the band and he's doing a great job. I think Journey's success today has encouraged a lot of other 80's type bands to get back on the road again.

Personally, I don't see Neal or Jon getting rid of Arnel, but rather Arnel leaving on his own. He just doesn't appear to like or hold up well touring and Journey is a live band. I'm sure he'll stick it out a while longer through the next album, but than return permanently to PI where it appears he is the happiest.

Try living in the Philippines with almost a hand to mouth existence and tell me again that Arnel would leave Journey because he couldn't tour. Sorry dude, but I am sure you don't comprehend how big a leap Arnel made when he became the lead singer of Journey. He is not going to let go of this opportunity.

... and it's Dudette to you Dude. I just think that if AP is the simple guy he claims to be when does he feel it's enough. I commend Arnel for stayng on the road and I hope he keeps it up. But you never know?

[strangegrey]

Depends on the interpretation. I see it entirely differently...you can call a spade a spade or you can call it a heart....Journey's capitalized on this, or else Friga wouldn't have removed his tampon and started gushing on about how he's a better man (er, woman, er whatever)...

They took advantage of this poverty bullshit, hook line and sinker...and they bet on the arneliots worldwide to eat it up right out of their laps. This thread is proof...




As for Arnel getting booted or leaving....isn't that semantics? I mean, shit...how many 80s bands go through the 'did he jump or was he pushed'....in the end, the end result is the same. Friga and Schlong will create an inhospitable atmosphere that will force Arnel out, either by their hand or arnel's own. Perhaps, if Arnel doesn't take the hint, they'll make sure there's some scandal that justifies a change....

....for anyone to assume this is the happy ending....