Neal Schon vs Hugo & Evolution tribute Band

[annpea]

I don't know what's going on and I don't have time to read 12 pages. But regardless of what is going on, I'm on Neal's side. He's right.

In a nutshell, Tito...

Neal went online and started complaining that some tribute bands were getting free blow jobs from male fans. He mistakenly pointed the finger at Evolution and Hugo (who weren't doing that)...instead of laying the acusation properly to other tribute bands and their glory holes operating on the west and east coast.

He was angry and jealous that he wasn't getting his fair share of knob hobblings...and made a stink about it.


Given that you are on Neal's side...does that mean you're, um, willing to shift your attentions away from the tribute bands to neal himself?

LMAO.. and crying ..

[Blueskies]

No, FishingMagician, you are missing the point. I repeat:
This argument of creditworthyness is all diversion off of the allegation. Frank claimed that Journey has a " history" of NON-payment to artists (plural) and none of his further argument lends evidence towards that claim. This isn't about allegations of late payments to Frank...he was alleging NON payments to artists without evidence....not even evidence with himself since he did eventually get paid. There is a distinct difference between getting paid late in one instance and alleging that there is a "history" of NOT paying artists. Where is the evidence that supports that type of allegation? He first claims that an artist didn't get paid fully for their work on Generations...a claim he can't back up with evidence...and where is the history? If there is such a "history" on non-payment then bring forth the evidence and I will concede to the correctness of his claim. So far he has not shown a bit of evidence towards a "history" of NON-payment to artists (plural as he stated).

I highly doubt he has evidence and I don't take only his word on the subject so there is no point in continuing. Let him think he's "won" an argument...it's very important to him to think that as you'll soon see when he comes in to put the spin on further to divert away from his initial claim and to further name call. Me? I've got better things to do then try to talk to someone who can't have a civil discussion without name calling. I could care less how much further he wants to spew his hatred of Journey, the band members or me. I could debate this all day but I refuse to talk to a angry, hateful, meanspirited person like him further...it's a complete waste of time.

[steveo777]

Isn't it time to lock this thread yet? Seems like it's turned into nothing but an arena for pissing matches, penis length comparisons and general buggary.

[Don]

Isn't it time to lock this thread yet? Seems like it's turned into nothing but an arena for pissing matches, penis length comparisons and general buggary.

Lock this thread? Why? The tours over, this is when the threads actually get interesting.

[Behshad]

No, FishingMagician, you are missing the point. I repeat:
This argument of creditworthyness is all diversion off of the allegation. Frank claimed that Journey has a " history" of NON-payment to artists (plural) and none of his further argument lends evidence towards that claim. This isn't about allegations of late payments to Frank...he was alleging NON payments to artists without evidence....not even evidence with himself since he did eventually get paid. There is a distinct difference between getting paid late in one instance and alleging that there is a "history" of NOT paying artists. Where is the evidence that supports that type of allegation? He first claims that an artist didn't get paid fully for their work on Generations...a claim he can't back up with evidence...and where is the history? If there is such a "history" on non-payment then bring forth the evidence and I will concede to the correctness of his claim. So far he has not shown a bit of evidence towards a "history" of NON-payment to artists (plural as he stated).

I highly doubt he has evidence and I don't take only his word on the subject so there is no point in continuing. Let him think he's "won" an argument...it's very important to him to think that as you'll soon see when he comes in to put the spin on further to divert away from his initial claim. Me? I've got better things to do then try to talk to someone who can't have a civil discussion without name calling. I could care less how much further he wants to spew his hatred of Journey, the band members or me. I could debate this all day but I refuse to talk to a angry, hateful, meanspirited person like him further...it's a complete waste of time.

[Jana]

1. Hugo and Valentine have put out better Journey material than Journey over the last decade...

Pffffffffffffff

Aaron's a Hugohead. I think Hugo is great on his Valentine stuff. Just not my favorite singer on Journey material.

I so agree. Not even close to putting out better Journey material. Hugo is the absolute weakest link regarding the top Journey tribute singers in bands IMO.

[Ehwmatt]

1. Hugo and Valentine have put out better Journey material than Journey over the last decade...

Pffffffffffffff

Aaron's a Hugohead. I think Hugo is great on his Valentine stuff. Just not my favorite singer on Journey material.

I so agree. Not even close to putting out better Journey material. Hugo is the absolute weakest link regarding the top Journey tribute singers in bands IMO.

Agreed, I'd like to hear the Valentine stuff though. Still haven't gotten around to it and lots say it is worth the time.

[Blueskies]

The debate has been won when the only comeback are insults that do not lend any evidentuary proof towards completely empty, highly biased, unsubstantiated claims.

[Jana]

I can't read Neal's Facebook page. He's kicked me off of his friends list twice. So fuck him.

kicked me off as well! now i just ask to be added every few months and he was always so sweet and complimentary to me every time he saw me

Not sure why he hates me.

You're a great Journey supporter and give the singers a chance. He should accept you.

[Blueskies]

1. Hugo and Valentine have put out better Journey material than Journey over the last decade...

Pffffffffffffff

Aaron's a Hugohead. I think Hugo is great on his Valentine stuff. Just not my favorite singer on Journey material.

I so agree. Not even close to putting out better Journey material. Hugo is the absolute weakest link regarding the top Journey tribute singers in bands IMO.

Agreed. I've heard a bit of his Valentine stuff and he does well on that but he doesn't have the vocal power for Journey songs.

[Jana]

Personally, I think you have to be mentally retarded or deaf in one hear to think Hugo has a good voice.

Maybe on his own stuff....but for Journey? Sounds way to thin. When you are trying to cover the best singer ever, you gotta have pipes. Some people don't like Arnel, I can dig it...but he has something hugo doesn't....Power.

I can see Schons point but I don't think he has anything to worry about. Hugo looks like Perry...unless Arnel gets plastic surgery, nobody will mistake them.

Then again..going by Melodicrock.com, Journey does have dumbass fans.

Ding, Ding, Ding.

[Jana]

It is SO rude to talk bad about someone without giving the rest of us a link to the drama so we can join in the fun-fest. Hint-hint.

I agree. Should have been a link right away to back it up.

Yes but the link won't work unless you are Neal's friend on Facebook

I am and I saw it all, no biggie just Neal venting a little frustration...

I agree. Neal is just a passionate man about things and reacts.

[strangegrey]

No, FishingMagician, you are missing the point. I repeat:
This argument of creditworthyness is all diversion off of the allegation. Frank claimed that Journey has a " history" of NON-payment to artists (plural) and none of his further argument lends evidence towards that claim. This isn't about allegations of late payments to Frank...he was alleging NON payments to artists without evidence....not even evidence with himself since he did eventually get paid. There is a distinct difference between getting paid late in one instance and alleging that there is a "history" of NOT paying artists. Where is the evidence that supports that type of allegation? He first claims that an artist didn't get paid fully for their work on Generations...a claim he can't back up with evidence...and where is the history? If there is such a "history" on non-payment then bring forth the evidence and I will concede to the correctness of his claim. So far he has not shown a bit of evidence towards a "history" of NON-payment to artists (plural as he stated).

I highly doubt he has evidence and I don't take only his word on the subject so there is no point in continuing. Let him think he's "won" an argument...it's very important to him to think that as you'll soon see when he comes in to put the spin on further to divert away from his initial claim. Me? I've got better things to do then try to talk to someone who can't have a civil discussion without name calling. I could care less how much further he wants to spew his hatred of Journey, the band members or me. I could debate this all day but I refuse to talk to a angry, hateful, meanspirited person like him further...it's a complete waste of time.

Yep....

the "I refuse to talk...it's a complete waste of time" is phyllis code for "I'm taking my ball and going home because you wont play the game on my (psychotic, illegitimate) rules"

[Blueskies]

The debate has been won when the only comeback are insults that do not lend any evidentuary proof towards completely empty, highly biased, unsubstantiated claims.

[conversationpc]

Everyone please move on. Nothing to see here.

Ha ha! Good one.

[Jana]

I still think neal is overreacting, but geez...




And this was Neal's response to the poster: Ok, now tell me this is not misleading?? (THE JOURNEY SHOW) SEPARATE WAYS . This is Hugo , Now is he from( Evolution) or (Separate Ways) ?? Or is he trying to make you believe this is a solo S.P. gig ?? You tell me... No ware on this poster do I see (A Tribute to Journey) Fraudulent Bull Shit!.... You be the judge....

Neal has a definite point -- does anyone remember the gig earlier in the year (or was it last year) where Evolution was basically advertised AS Journey? There was a thread here about it, and an article mentioning that many people were fooled and thought they were watching Journey. Some YouTube clips, too. I don't know if that promotion came from the band or the venue, but I'm surprised it still continues.

I think Neal has a point too.

[Ehwmatt]

Wow, I missed that post... I was gone for most of Saturday when this got most of its action. No wonder he's pissed! That's ridiculous.

[Jana]

Neal isn't protecting Journey...he's fucking exploiting it.

Ding, ding, ding...we have a winner! That douche Schon has been milking every fucking cent out of exploiting the name "Journey" as long as I can remember.

IT'S NEAL'S BAND. That's what he's supposed to do. I don't get the animosity towards Neal and Journey. He used tapes with an ailing singer. He was in a bind and had dates that he committed to. So what? I'm sure Neal regrets that. It's in the past. He's brought the band back to where it should be and it's kicking ass- yet peeps are still pissing and moaning about it, EVEN THOUGH THIS BAND KICKS ASS. Why the anti-Neal sentiment? Perry wouldn't perform, so he moved on. Augeri couldn't do it, so they moved on. JSS was never the right fit so they moved on. I totally get that. That's what you do with bands. If the chemistry ain't right, you tweak it till it is and now, it is.

Why are people so anti Neal?

+ 1. The most insightful post so far that I've read. Of course I'm not even halfway through.

[strangegrey]

The debate has been won when the only comeback are insults that do not lend any evidentuary proof towards completely empty, highly biased, unsubstantiated claims.

Holy crap, psycho. Take your meds!

[Blueskies]

Wow, I missed that post... I was gone for most of Saturday when this got most of its action. No wonder he's pissed! That's ridiculous.

Exactly. That was my point that on that poster is a blatent ripoff of Journey scarab art. That is also a picture of Hugo and it says "The Journey Show" and no where mentions tribute.... so it's understandable why Neal would say something to him about it. Hugo's band member claims he had no part in it and that may be true but someone is responsible and if Hugo didn't have anything to do with it then he should look into who did.

[bluejeangirl76]

It is SO rude to talk bad about someone without giving the rest of us a link to the drama so we can join in the fun-fest. Hint-hint.

I agree. Should have been a link right away to back it up.

Yes but the link won't work unless you are Neal's friend on Facebook

I am and I saw it all, no biggie just Neal venting a little frustration...

I agree. Neal is just a passionate man about things and reacts.

Reacts poorly, to be correct about it.
Complaining and cursing about it on his facebook page rather than take the appropriate avenues to stop it, if it is in some way infringing upon his band name/copyright? So mature. This is where the negativity towards him, and to some extent, Journey, stems from... Neal shooting off his mouth. There are other ways to react.

The famous "fuck him" statement? Never should have been said, at least not publically. Made him look like sour grapes. This is doing the same thing. Seriously, if there's a legal issue with the way these bands are promoting themselves, (come on, it happens all the time, court battles over stuff like this... there are ways to handle it!) take it to the correct authorities to have it stopped.

Griping on facebook? What is he, a 14-year-old girl? Might as well go pour sugar in Hugo's gas tank while he's at it. I'm not saying he doesn't have a legit complaint... especially over that Hawaii gig poster... but good lord, grow up.

[Ehwmatt]

Wow, I missed that post... I was gone for most of Saturday when this got most of its action. No wonder he's pissed! That's ridiculous.

Exactly. That was my point that on that poster is a blatent ripoff of Journey scarab art. That is also a picture of Hugo and it says "The Journey Show" and no where mentions tribute.... so it's understandable why Neal would say something to him about it. Hugo's band member claims he had no part in it and that may be true but someone is responsible and if Hugo didn't have anything to do with it then he should look into who did.

I mean I know Neal's an off-the-cuff kinda guy as I just posted in the Perry statement thread, but I think my issue is as a professional, he should have kept this one to himself and quietly resolved it through the proper channels. Journey is doing very well touring, there's no need for him to appear threatened by someone like Hugo doing this. Plus, who knows how much digging Neal did before going nuts in front of many fans on Facebook - I am completely ignorant of the origins of the poster, but do we know for certain Hugo made this poster? Or did the venue? Or someone else?

[Jana]

OMG--- I can't believe some of you are still busting a vein over this. I don't have anything against the man personally, but dude hasn't done anything in eons worth arguing about & the fact that the downstairs forum looks like tumbleweeds ..... .... only serves to support my argument.

When Perry releases his new CD & *IF* it blows away the competition, I'll gladly give the man praise where praise is due. Till then, hats off to Schon for keeping the Journey empire booming.

Amen. I'm exhausted and I've only read through half of this thread. I have to take a break. I will always listen to my classic Journey with Perry (not TBF so much; not that good as a whole CD for many reasons), but I'm lovin' Journey these days and loved Arrival and love Arnel. Neal deserves praise in many respects, not just criticism.

What's the debate again? I'm off track.

[Don]

Neal needs a snickers bar. Where is Tito?

[strangegrey]

It's been stated in this thread that Hugo wasn't responsible for this artwork.

[strangegrey]

Where is Tito?

Looking for his kneepads.

[Ehwmatt]

It is SO rude to talk bad about someone without giving the rest of us a link to the drama so we can join in the fun-fest. Hint-hint.

I agree. Should have been a link right away to back it up.

Yes but the link won't work unless you are Neal's friend on Facebook

I am and I saw it all, no biggie just Neal venting a little frustration...

I agree. Neal is just a passionate man about things and reacts.

Reacts poorly, to be correct about it.
Complaining and cursing about it on his facebook page rather than take the appropriate avenues to stop it, if it is in some way infringing upon his band name/copyright? So mature. This is where the negativity towards him, and to some extent, Journey, stems from... Neal shooting off his mouth. There are other ways to react.

The famous "fuck him" statement? Never should have been said, at least not publically. Made him look like sour grapes. This is doing the same thing. Seriously, if there's a legal issue with the way these bands are promoting themselves, (come on, it happens all the time, court battles over stuff like this... there are ways to handle it!) take it to the correct authorities to have it stopped.

Griping on facebook? What is he, a 14-year-old girl? Might as well go pour sugar in Hugo's gas tank while he's at it. I'm not saying he doesn't have a legit complaint... especially over that Hawaii gig poster... but good lord, grow up.

Lol, you're spot on with the 14-year-old girl analogy. It's like a 14-year-old girl posting some cliched, perhaps even ripped straight from a movie or song, bitter statement that the freshman quarterback just dumped her for the hotter cheerleader on her status for all to see!

Unfortunately, this isn't limited to 14-year-old girls, and I see many of the 20-something girls on my list doing the exact same kinda shit

[Ehwmatt]

It's been stated in this thread that Hugo wasn't responsible for this artwork.

Thanks for clearing that up, I can't trudge through all these pages and I wasn't around Saturday

[Don]

If Hugo isn't one of Neal's friends on Face Book, why is Fro talking about it on there? Can The EVOLUTION band even read those comments, much less respond to them on Schon's page? how does that work?

[bluejeangirl76]

It is SO rude to talk bad about someone without giving the rest of us a link to the drama so we can join in the fun-fest. Hint-hint.

I agree. Should have been a link right away to back it up.

Yes but the link won't work unless you are Neal's friend on Facebook

I am and I saw it all, no biggie just Neal venting a little frustration...

I agree. Neal is just a passionate man about things and reacts.

Reacts poorly, to be correct about it.
Complaining and cursing about it on his facebook page rather than take the appropriate avenues to stop it, if it is in some way infringing upon his band name/copyright? So mature. This is where the negativity towards him, and to some extent, Journey, stems from... Neal shooting off his mouth. There are other ways to react.

The famous "fuck him" statement? Never should have been said, at least not publically. Made him look like sour grapes. This is doing the same thing. Seriously, if there's a legal issue with the way these bands are promoting themselves, (come on, it happens all the time, court battles over stuff like this... there are ways to handle it!) take it to the correct authorities to have it stopped.

Griping on facebook? What is he, a 14-year-old girl? Might as well go pour sugar in Hugo's gas tank while he's at it. I'm not saying he doesn't have a legit complaint... especially over that Hawaii gig poster... but good lord, grow up.

Lol, you're spot on with the 14-year-old girl analogy. It's like a 14-year-old girl posting some cliched, perhaps even ripped straight from a movie or song, bitter statement that the freshman quarterback just dumped her for the hotter cheerleader on her status for all to see!

Unfortunately, this isn't limited to 14-year-old girls, and I see many of the 20-something girls on my list doing the exact same kinda shit

And sadly, his adolescent rambling includes not only the catty, bitchy factor, but also the same cringeworthy spelling and grammar that permeates facebook and myspace messages. It's laughable, the whole thing. Either have a lawyer send them a C&D if it is this big of a problem, or shut the ever loving fuck up. What are a bunch of facebook readers going to do about it? Boycott the shows? Not going to happen.