Schon...

[tammy]

Too funny....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0W-tXN4059s

And, that's it in a NUT shell. No doubt there will be more episodes on this strange "fairy tale". I suspect Michaele will become Arnel's back-up singer ala Linda McCartney. The Salahis are way scarier than rabid Journey fans.

Arnel's Linda McCartney, or Neal's Yoko Ono?

Right. No disrespect to either woman, they had their own individual talent & charitable...just referring to how they shouldn't have been "in the band" like this example: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UoH9zP_n_g0
And, from how it seems Neal's head has been turned...well, ya never know...first behind the curtain, next on stage, etc.

[Gideon]

Schon has always been all about Schon. Bottom line, a below average guitarist who has never come to terms with true reason where he is at today. Without Perry's gift that put millions in his pocket, he would be playing in a bar on main street. Perry has all the crap on Journey. Journey SUCKS SO BAD. Bad vocals, bad music.

"below average" guitarists aren't part of 70 Million units sold... try again...

This is actually pretty weak reasoning. Success isn't an indicator of technical talent. The real reason why this guy's words are bullshit is because Neal's playing commands respect from music icons and legends.

[slucero]

Schon has always been all about Schon. Bottom line, a below average guitarist who has never come to terms with true reason where he is at today. Without Perry's gift that put millions in his pocket, he would be playing in a bar on main street. Perry has all the crap on Journey. Journey SUCKS SO BAD. Bad vocals, bad music.

"below average" guitarists aren't part of 70 Million units sold... try again...

This is actually pretty weak reasoning. Success isn't an indicator of technical talent. The real reason why this guy's words are bullshit is because Neal's playing commands respect from music icons and legends.

name a "below average" guitarist... who has no respect from music icons and legends (provide source).. who has sold 70 plus million..

[Gideon]

name a "below average" guitarist... who has no respect from music icons and legends (provide source).. who has sold 70 plus million..

Neal hasn't sold 70+ million, dude. Journey has. Neal is simply a piece of the puzzle, a significant piece, but a piece nonetheless. On his own, he couldn't have hoped to sell that number. The contributions of Perry and Cain were of equal importance. The bottom line is that commercial/financial success are not and never could be a measure of technical ability. Think of all the bands who have outsold Journey/Perry; by your reckoning, if success = talent, each of those bands field better singers and better guitarists than Perry or Schon. But is that true? Doubtful.

I mean hell, Eclipse hasn't even scratched the 200k mark according to Don, despite the presence of that legendary guitarist.

I agree with your conclusion, but not your logic, which isn't sound.

[RocknRoll]

name a "below average" guitarist... who has no respect from music icons and legends (provide source).. who has sold 70 plus million..

Neal hasn't sold 70+ million, dude. Journey has. Neal is simply a piece of the puzzle, a significant piece, but a piece nonetheless. On his own, he couldn't have hoped to sell that number. The contributions of Perry and Cain were of equal importance. The bottom line is that commercial/financial success are not and never could be a measure of technical ability. Think of all the bands who have outsold Journey/Perry; by your reckoning, if success = talent, each of those bands field better singers and better guitarists than Perry or Schon. But is that true? Doubtful.

I mean hell, Eclipse hasn't even scratched the 200k mark according to Don, despite the presence of that legendary guitarist.

I agree with your conclusion, but not your logic, which isn't sound.

Just curious Gid, do you have any of Neal's solo albums or his side projects?

[Gideon]

Just curious Gid, do you have any of Neal's solo albums or his side projects?

I On U, Voice, and Beyond the Thunder.

[RocknRoll]

Just curious Gid, do you have any of Neal's solo albums or his side projects?

I On U, Voice, and Beyond the Thunder.

Not bad, now just get Late Nite (you'll love it).

Don't forget about:

The Schon/Hammer stuff, you can still find it as "No More Lies"
HSAS
Hardline
Abraxas Pool

These are more the real Neal...and then of course you can get Electric World, the Paul Rogers stuff...you'll catch up!!

[Don]

Just curious Gid, do you have any of Neal's solo albums or his side projects?

I On U, Voice, and Beyond the Thunder.

Not bad, now just get Late Nite (you'll love it).

Don't forget about:

The Schon/Hammer stuff, you can still find it as "No More Lies"
HSAS
Hardline
Abraxas Pool

These are more the real Neal...and then of course you can get Electric World, the Paul Rogers stuff...you'll catch up!!

No love for Electric World?

[Gideon]

I've listened to most of those and I own Double Eclipse. Hardline's pretty good. Neal, in my opinion, returns to his badass roots in full force for Eclipse so I'm happy about that.

I definitely agree that he's a monstrous guitarist and the idea that he's "below average" in that regard is bullshit quite frankly, perpetuated by the deluded and depraved. I just don't buy into the idea that he's all these things simply because he's successful.

[slucero]

name a "below average" guitarist... who has no respect from music icons and legends (provide source).. who has sold 70 plus million..

Neal hasn't sold 70+ million, dude. Journey has. Neal is simply a piece of the puzzle, a significant piece, but a piece nonetheless. On his own, he couldn't have hoped to sell that number. The contributions of Perry and Cain were of equal importance. The bottom line is that commercial/financial success are not and never could be a measure of technical ability. Think of all the bands who have outsold Journey/Perry; by your reckoning, if success = talent, each of those bands field better singers and better guitarists than Perry or Schon. But is that true? Doubtful.

I mean hell, Eclipse hasn't even scratched the 200k mark according to Don, despite the presence of that legendary guitarist.

I agree with your conclusion, but not your logic, which isn't sound.

You agree with me but you don't... LOL.. THAT'S logical...

There are no guitarists (solo or in bands) who are the equivalent of "below average"... who have been responsible for, in whole or in part... for 70 million sold.... there .. better?


... sometimes your penchant for arguing "just to argue" is a bit over the top...

[Gideon]

You agree with me but you don't... LOL.. THAT'S logical...

It's not that difficult.
I agree with your conclusion: Neal Schon is not a below-average guitarist. I disagree with your premise aka how you came to your conclusion: Neal Schon is not a below-average guitarist because he's part of a hugely successful band.

There's a clear and fundamental distinction between conclusion and premise for anyone who's actually studied logic. Or for anyone who actually knows their definitions.

There are no guitarists (solo or in bands) who are the equivalent of "below average"... who have been responsible for, in whole or in part... for 70 million sold.... there .. better?

You can keep telling yourself whatever you have to, but at the end of the day, the idea that commercial/financial success is an indicator of objective, technical talent is not valid.

... sometimes your penchant for arguing "just to argue" is a bit over the top...

Sometimes your ability to understand basic logic is a bit below par. This is a message board for discussion and it takes two to argue.

[RocknRoll]

No love for Electric World?

Somedays I just love to fill the cd player with Schon instrumentals and that certainly includes Electric World. I've even had people drop in and comment on the great music!! So many options with Schon music!

[slucero]

You agree with me but you don't... LOL.. THAT'S logical...

It's not that difficult.
I agree with your conclusion: Neal Schon is not a below-average guitarist. I disagree with your premise aka how you came to your conclusion: Neal Schon is not a below-average guitarist because he's part of a hugely successful band.

There's a clear and fundamental distinction between conclusion and premise for anyone who's actually studied logic. Or for anyone who actually knows their definitions.

There are no guitarists (solo or in bands) who are the equivalent of "below average"... who have been responsible for, in whole or in part... for 70 million sold.... there .. better?

You can keep telling yourself whatever you have to, but at the end of the day, the idea that commercial/financial success is an indicator of objective, technical talent is not valid.

... sometimes your penchant for arguing "just to argue" is a bit over the top...

Sometimes your ability to understand basic logic is a bit below par. This is a message board for discussion and it takes two to argue.

Gideon.. fuck off.. you just like being a dick and nitpicking like a little bitch... fine... you're right I'm wrong...


what ever...

[Gideon]

Gideon.. fuck off..

As unreasonable as this is, it's definitely a step up from your other posts.

you just like being a dick

Yeah, and you just act like you don't have one, so I guess we're quite the pair.

and nitpicking like a little bitch... fine...

Once again, this is a message board. I wasn't nitpicking, I was disagreeing with what is a horribly flawed argument. There are clear and concise differences between a premise and a conclusion and I'm sorry I injured your sensitive soul by pointing them out. It takes two to argue, and nothing you can say will ever mitigate the fact that you were here, right beside me, doing the same thing you accuse me of. Guilty consciences ought not project their shit onto other people, my friend!

you're right I'm wrong...

Truer words have never been spoken.

what ever...

Gently remove that tampon of yours and return to the place where cooler heads prevail. Chill, it's just a discussion. There's no reason to get so contentious over Neal Schon. Let's leave that to his ex-wives!

[slucero]

A better step up would be my foot in your ass... but I like my foot..

Here's the definition for:

Premise: 1. prem·iss. Logic . a proposition supporting or helping to support a conclusion.

Conclusion: 1. con·clu·sion. the last main division of a discourse, usually containing a summing up of the points and a statement of opinion or decisions reached.


My premise... er.... statement (modified) was: "There are no guitarists (solo or in bands) who are the equivalent of "below average"... who have been responsible for, in whole or in part... for 70 million sold...."

You somehow equate that to mean that "commercial/financial success is an indicator of objective, technical talent".. even though my post (premise) does not state that... it states the opposite...

All you've done is state that it isn't logical... yet you haven't disproved it.. even when asked.

Prove it wrong... which means you have to find a shitty guitarist, in a band that has sold at the level Journey has... and you need to provide proof of just how shitty they are as a musician, in the form of opinion from their fellow "music icons and legends" (your criteria)...

c'mon dude.. find one... one..

[Gideon]

Well it's good to see you've cooled off a little, there's no reason to get personal with this.

A better step up would be my foot in your ass... but I like my foot..

Not nearly as well as you like those ellipses....

My premise... er.... statement (modified) was: "There are no guitarists (solo or in bands) who are the equivalent of "below average"... who have been responsible for, in whole or in part... for 70 million sold...."

You somehow equate that to mean that "commercial/financial success is an indicator of objective, technical talent".. even though my post (premise) does not state that... it states the opposite...

Your conclusion is that Neal is not a below-average guitarist; we are in agreement. Your premise, the support/foundation of your conclusion, was that this is because Neal is part of a wildly successful band. Calling it a statement doesn't change the fact that it was a premise, they're not mutually exclusive terms.

All you've done is state that it isn't logical... yet you haven't disproved it.. even when asked.

Prove it wrong... which means you have to find a shitty guitarist, in a band that has sold at the level Journey has... and you need to provide proof of just how shitty they are as a musician, in the form of opinion from their fellow "music icons and legends" (your criteria)...

c'mon dude.. find one... one..

What I said is that Neal is not below-average because the guy gets accolades from respected musicians, people who can reasonably evaluate musical talent better than laymen. What you said is that "below average" guitarists aren't part of a band that sells 70 million albums. Commercial success does not equate to musical talent and I already provided examples of where this is certain. Is Bob Dylan a better singer than Steve Perry simply because the former has outsold the latter?

[Argus]

Geez guys you are losing track of the heart of the matter... the heck with logic, it has nothing to do with this thread or the subject... now get back to the gossip

[Gideon]

Geez guys you are losing track of the heart of the matter... the heck with logic, it has nothing to do with this thread or the subject... now get back to the gossip

[slucero]

Well it's good to see you've cooled off a little, there's no reason to get personal with this.

A better step up would be my foot in your ass... but I like my foot..

Not nearly as well as you like those ellipses....

My premise... er.... statement (modified) was: "There are no guitarists (solo or in bands) who are the equivalent of "below average"... who have been responsible for, in whole or in part... for 70 million sold...."

You somehow equate that to mean that "commercial/financial success is an indicator of objective, technical talent".. even though my post (premise) does not state that... it states the opposite...

Your conclusion is that Neal is not a below-average guitarist; we are in agreement. Your premise, the support/foundation of your conclusion, was that this is because Neal is part of a wildly successful band. Calling it a statement doesn't change the fact that it was a premise, they're not mutually exclusive terms.

All you've done is state that it isn't logical... yet you haven't disproved it.. even when asked.

Prove it wrong... which means you have to find a shitty guitarist, in a band that has sold at the level Journey has... and you need to provide proof of just how shitty they are as a musician, in the form of opinion from their fellow "music icons and legends" (your criteria)...

c'mon dude.. find one... one..

What I said is that Neal is not below-average because the guy gets accolades from respected musicians, people who can reasonably evaluate musical talent better than laymen. What you said is that "below average" guitarists aren't part of a band that sells 70 million albums. Commercial success does not equate to musical talent and I already provided examples of where this is certain. Is Bob Dylan a better singer than Steve Perry simply because the former has outsold the latter?

What I said (originally) is this:

"below average" guitarists aren't part of 70 Million units sold...

What you said is this:

This is actually pretty weak reasoning.

Success isn't an indicator of technical talent.

The real reason why this guy's words are bullshit is because Neal's playing commands respect from music icons and legends.

Nothing in my statement says success is or isn't an indicator of talent... it says it takes talent to be a part of 70 million plus sold...


You read it and got it wrong and don't have the stones to disprove it or simply admit you got it wrong.


We're done.

[Gideon]

If it takes X to get Y, then X is an indicator of Y.

We're done.

If you say so.

I'm not sure why you're getting so bent out of shape over this, especially since we ultimately agree on the conclusion. Can't we have a semi-serious discussion without investing the totality of our emotions in it?

[Argus]

If it takes X to get Y, then X is an indicator of Y.

We're done.

If you say so.

I'm not sure why you're getting so bent out of shape over this, especially since we ultimately agree on the conclusion. Can't we have a semi-serious discussion without investing the totality of our emotions in it?

Gid, this is the *JRNY* forum ....logic is not in any way shape or form required or desired

[Gideon]

Gid, this is the *JRNY* forum ....logic is not in any way shape or form required or desired

If I have any doubts, I guess I need look no further than Neal's current relational predicament.

[Infinity Vocalist 2010]

I REALLY want to hear Opie and Anthony talk about this issue.

[steveo777]

[Don]

What the fuck is he standing on, a milk crate?

[Deb]

What the fuck is he standing on, a milk crate?

She's kNealing.

[annpea]

What the fuck is he standing on, a milk crate?

He maybe doing that;because, if he didn't he'd be kissing her right on the........ Bellybutton!

[(Crazy)Dulce Lady]

yeah that was AFTER the San Antonio show. AFTER he was with Mimi for 90 minutes. (Of course I was front row, Neal side. duh) just sayin'. Hot Texas Women. nuff said. you're welcome, the ex Mrs. S. hmph.

(gawd I'm a brat lately. ) bwahahahaha!!!!!!

[jestor92]

Talk about the story that just won't die. Good thing it's boosting Eclipse's sales...wait I mean GH Vol. 2's release

[isla]

Neal Schon serenades his new girlfriend and launches Stone in Love live in Denver 10/1/11.

http://youtu.be/ush-V3i3M9U