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Re: Neal VS Jon

Postby jestor92 » Wed Feb 08, 2023 9:08 am

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The_Noble_Cause wrote:https://www.change.org/p/fire-neal-schon-from-journey


Now that’s just fucking silly.


As much as I believe that Neal and his wife are driving this public bullshit and it some ugly shit. Cain and Schon clearly cannot get along and something has to happen. Either they shake hands, admit that they hate each other and agree to keep it in house or one of them has to go. And that can only be Jonathan Cain. Journey has no credibility without Neal.

Let’s be honest. 90% of the people who go see Journey don’t care who is in the band as long as they hear the classics they grew up with. 5% will not go see them without Neal or Jon. 5% will complain, but still go see them anyway. I mean Foreigner still draws a damn good crowd with no members of the band’s golden era on stage.
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Re: Neal VS Jon

Postby StyxCollector » Thu Feb 09, 2023 3:20 am

Could be something, could be nothing.

https://twitter.com/arnelpineda/status/ ... ElNRkH-oIw

I think it relates to this (you'll have to unfold the Twitter thread). https://twitter.com/arnelpineda/status/ ... uZk4ItAAAA
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Re: Neal VS Jon

Postby bellairepark73 » Thu Feb 09, 2023 3:53 am

StyxCollector wrote:Could be something, could be nothing.

https://twitter.com/arnelpineda/status/ ... ElNRkH-oIw

I think it relates to this (you'll have to unfold the Twitter thread). https://twitter.com/arnelpineda/status/ ... uZk4ItAAAA


Many have already seen these tweets by Arnel and have been commenting on them for days. Is there something in them that you spotted and what to bring to our attention?
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Re: Neal VS Jon

Postby Monker » Thu Feb 09, 2023 6:20 am

Hollywood wrote:As much as I believe that Neal and his wife are driving this public bullshit and it some ugly shit. Cain and Schon clearly cannot get along and something has to happen. Either they shake hands, admit that they hate each other and agree to keep it in house or one of them has to go. And that can only be Jonathan Cain. Journey has no credibility without Neal.


And, without Jonathan watching Journey's credit, Neal and Journey would be in bankruptcy.

Neal running Journey without being checked would be a disaster...and full of lies and misleading statements.

Take the entire Gregg thing....Gregg was never going to tour with them. Neal was full of shit. Blaming Jonathan and Neal is just piling on the lie. The 50th anniversary tour is another lie...it's the Freedom part 2 tour being relabeled because Freedom was a huge flop. 'Neal can't manage or run a band...it has become very, very obvious. He should just shut up and play.

With all of the 'crap' gone by forcing Neal out, IMO, Journey would have MORE credibility, not less. How can anybody take Neal, or Journey, seriously any longer? The whole situation is a joke. Neal needs a wake up call that he isn't as big of a deal he thinks he is.
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Re: Neal VS Jon

Postby Gideon » Thu Feb 09, 2023 6:31 am

Monker wrote:With all of the 'crap' gone by forcing Neal out, IMO, Journey would have MORE credibility, not less. How can anybody take Neal, or Journey, seriously any longer? The whole situation is a joke. Neal needs a wake up call that he isn't as big of a deal he thinks he is.


The stupid sumbitch retweeted a fan saying that Neal should be in the next class for the R&R Hall of Fame as a solo artist. :lol:

Look at the text of his bio on Journey's official website, it's so cringe and self-congratulatory:

[b]Three time Hall of Fame and Grammy Award Winning artist Neal Schon is one of the most accomplished and recognized guitarists and songwriters worldwide. Admired as a trailblazer and inspiration to millions, the Journey founder has long established his position as one of the greatest guitarists of all time, with some of the top all time best selling singles and albums, including multiple Gold and Platinum as well as two Diamond certifications, over 100 million records sold, and over a billion Spotify streams.

Neal Schon founded Journey in 1972 and has been the only consistent member, having participated in every album and tour to date. Schon is a Grammy Award winning guitarist, songwriter, and vocalist who is not only the founding member of Journey, but was a member of Santana at the age of 15 and has performed with a variety of other acts including Bad English, Jan Hammer, HSAS, and has released 11 solo albums, including his latest, Universe.

Neal Schon's guitar style has been described as soulful, melodic, and is infamously admired by such fellow legends as Eric Clapton and Prince.

In 2005, Neal Schon and Journey received a Star on the iconic Hollywood Walk of Fame and were further recognized by Billboard Magazine with the Legend Of Live Award at the 2011 Billboard Touring Conference.

Neal Schon was inducted into the Rock & Roll Hall Of Fame as a member of Journey as well as the Oklahoma Music Hall of Fame. Tulsa, Oklahoma Mayor G.T. Bynum honored Neal with the announcement of June 5th to be Neal Schon Day in Oklahoma. The announcement was at the Woody Guthrie Center Museum, and Neal also made an archival contribution to the Oklahoma Museum of Popular Culture (OKPOP) in July.

Schon has also received honors for his philanthropic work including John Hopkins, Rainforest Fund, California Fire Relief, and numerous additional charitable foundations. He has also organized numerous fundraisers for military services and first responders.

In 2019, Neal was voted Guitar Connoisseur Fan Favorite Guitarist in a social media poll over the course of 15 rounds, consistently topping the list among his fellow legends.

In 2021, on the 40th anniversary of its release, Journey’s seventh studio album, Escape, was certified diamond by the RIAA, which denotes the album has sold over 10 million equivalent units. 1981’s Escape spawned the hits "Open Arms", "Who's Crying Now", "Stone In Love", and "Don't Stop Believin'", which has over a billion streams on Spotify alone. The band rounded out the summer with epic performances, headlining at both the iconic Lallapalooza and iHeartRadio Music Festival and Schon invited to perform “The Star Spangled Banner” at the Las Vegas Raiders Vs. Chicago Bears game on October 10, 2021 at the Allegiant Stadium in Las Vegas , NV.

JOURNEY's 1988 released, 15 time Platinum certified Greatest Hits was certified diamond in April of 2008, has logged 1,328 weeks on Billboard's Catalog Albums chart as of October 2021, and is one of the most popular 'best of' packages, at times selling close to 500,000 copies globally per year.

Journey’s worldwide sales have reached over 100 million records, making them one of the world’s best-selling bands of all time, with a wide selection of chart-topping hits like "Don’t Stop Believin­'", the most downloaded song of the last century. The band's album sales have resulted in twenty five gold and platinum albums and nineteen Top 40 singles in the US.
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'Nothing was bigger for Journey than 1981’s “Escape” album. “I have to attribute that to Jonathan coming in and joining the writing team,” Steve Perry (Feb 2012).'
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Re: Neal VS Jon

Postby ebake02 » Thu Feb 09, 2023 10:14 am

The_Noble_Cause wrote:Neal's publicity firm TAG is now tweeting about Jonathan going to a prostitute. This is all out war!

https://twitter.com/TAGPublicity/status ... b1tp1pfseQ


I’m wondering if this is even accurate though. What kind of legitimate above board publicity company posts crap like this?
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Re: Neal VS Jon

Postby Andrew » Thu Feb 09, 2023 11:16 am

Twitter nuts are out in force today. Had to block a couple of absolute nutters. One dickhead calling for Neal's head has 172,000 tweets to his name. Get a fucking life you absolute muppet.
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Re: Neal VS Jon

Postby Andrew » Thu Feb 09, 2023 12:27 pm

The_Noble_Cause wrote:https://www.change.org/p/fire-neal-schon-from-journey


This is the fuckwit that I just blocked. 172,000 tweets. No life and no clue. Spamming everyone he possibly can and he's gathered 12 signatures. What a loser.
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Re: Neal VS Jon

Postby ebake02 » Thu Feb 09, 2023 1:10 pm

Andrew wrote:Twitter nuts are out in force today. Had to block a couple of absolute nutters. One dickhead calling for Neal's head has 172,000 tweets to his name. Get a fucking life you absolute muppet.


There is so much horseshit about this on Twitter and Facebook that I have no idea anymore what’s legitimate and what’s just click bait garbage.
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Re: Neal VS Jon

Postby The_Noble_Cause » Thu Feb 09, 2023 1:51 pm

Gideon wrote:Look at the text of his bio on Journey's official website, it's so cringe and self-congratulatory


Even the Arnel bio is all about Neal and Neal finding him. Really very little about Arnel.
Bio also includes a quote from Cain saying "Jesus" (obviously included as a dig at him as a religious hypocrite).
Whole website is a sad joke.
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Re: Neal VS Jon

Postby The_Noble_Cause » Thu Feb 09, 2023 1:54 pm

ebake02 wrote:
I’m wondering if this is even accurate though. What kind of legitimate above board publicity company posts crap like this?


Is what accurate? That Jonathan likes to bang hos? No idea. Prolly.
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Re: Neal VS Jon

Postby Eric » Thu Feb 09, 2023 9:33 pm

ebake02 wrote:
Andrew wrote:Twitter nuts are out in force today. Had to block a couple of absolute nutters. One dickhead calling for Neal's head has 172,000 tweets to his name. Get a fucking life you absolute muppet.


There is so much horseshit about this on Twitter and Facebook that I have no idea anymore what’s legitimate and what’s just click bait garbage.


Agreed. More importantly… they are interacting on stage and things look and sound good:

https://twitter.com/rnrvinylqueen/statu ... WZX_U-iYvg
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Re: Neal VS Jon

Postby The_Noble_Cause » Thu Feb 09, 2023 11:34 pm

Eric wrote:Agreed. More importantly… they are interacting on stage and things look and sound good:

https://twitter.com/rnrvinylqueen/statu ... WZX_U-iYvg


Oh really? And have you seen them yet on this tour? I have. A few things I noticed....


-Neal cut Arnel off while Arnel was introducing him.

-When Jonathan plays rhythm (ex. during WITS) he only stands next to Todd - treats Neal like he has leprosy.

-Arnel apprehensively patted Neal on the shoulder twice - that was as much interaction as I observed.

-During Send Her My Love, the screen shows rose floral petal letters L&N (gag! puke!). They did this last tour too. What's next? A montage of Paula speaking in tongues as Jon plays Faithfully?


You and Ebake may not be able to differentiate "horseshit" from truth on Twitter, but that doesn't mean everything is rosy. Arnel's social media is basically a cry for help.

Stop the spin.
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Re: Neal VS Jon

Postby Eric » Fri Feb 10, 2023 3:19 am

The_Noble_Cause wrote:
Eric wrote:Agreed. More importantly… they are interacting on stage and things look and sound good:

https://twitter.com/rnrvinylqueen/statu ... WZX_U-iYvg


Oh really? And have you seen them yet on this tour? I have. A few things I noticed....


-Neal cut Arnel off while Arnel was introducing him.

-When Jonathan plays rhythm (ex. during WITS) he only stands next to Todd - treats Neal like he has leprosy.

-Arnel apprehensively patted Neal on the shoulder twice - that was as much interaction as I observed.

-During Send Her My Love, the screen shows rose floral petal letters L&N (gag! puke!). They did this last tour too. What's next? A montage of Paula speaking in tongues as Jon plays Faithfully?


You and Ebake may not be able to differentiate "horseshit" from truth on Twitter, but that doesn't mean everything is rosy. Arnel's social media is basically a cry for help.

Stop the spin.


I’ve seen Arnel and Schon interacting on stage and I think the band sounds good. That’s not spinning.

Stop being obsessed with the soap opera BS and either enjoy things or not.
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Re: Neal VS Jon

Postby Monker » Fri Feb 10, 2023 4:29 am

Eric wrote:I’ve seen Arnel and Schon interacting on stage and I think the band sounds good. That’s not spinning.

Stop being obsessed with the soap opera BS and either enjoy things or not.


You didn't answer the question if you have them in concert this tour, or not. Frankly, the clips you post are not THAT impressive to me. In this one, how is the band interacting? Just Neal standing next to Arnel for a few seconds? It seems like status quo mediocrity to me. To me, it's just Arnel interacting with the AUDIENCE doing the end of "Who's Cryin' Now"...which has been done better in the past. The playing is adequate, but not that impressive. Neal is just duplicating the studio recording. Nothing that impressive at all about it, or anything to get that excited about.
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Re: Neal VS Jon

Postby Eric » Fri Feb 10, 2023 7:47 am

Monker wrote:
Eric wrote:I’ve seen Arnel and Schon interacting on stage and I think the band sounds good. That’s not spinning.

Stop being obsessed with the soap opera BS and either enjoy things or not.


You didn't answer the question if you have them in concert this tour, or not. Frankly, the clips you post are not THAT impressive to me. In this one, how is the band interacting? Just Neal standing next to Arnel for a few seconds? It seems like status quo mediocrity to me. To me, it's just Arnel interacting with the AUDIENCE doing the end of "Who's Cryin' Now"...which has been done better in the past. The playing is adequate, but not that impressive. Neal is just duplicating the studio recording. Nothing that impressive at all about it, or anything to get that excited about.


No - not in my neck of the woods until mid March in Buffalo, which I do have tix for. I'm relieved - after reading all the drama - that there aren't walk-offs and fights. Arnel points at Schon during WCN solo and smiles and he smiles back at him. I'm not saying they are high fiving, but I was very worried this tour wouldn't complete based on some of the things I've read.

I will say I'm not interested in looking for another date to attend if the setlist doesn't change up a bit more show to show. I'd like a different Freedom tune and I want Feeling That way/Anytime AND Just the Same way for a 50th anniversary. And also Wheel in the Sky - based on YT clips - doesn't have the pop and energy it did last year. Last year's shows were the best since 2009.
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Re: Neal VS Jon

Postby The_Noble_Cause » Fri Feb 10, 2023 8:36 am

Monker wrote:
Eric wrote:I’ve seen Arnel and Schon interacting on stage and I think the band sounds good. That’s not spinning.

Stop being obsessed with the soap opera BS and either enjoy things or not.


You didn't answer the question if you have them in concert this tour, or not. Frankly, the clips you post are not THAT impressive to me. In this one, how is the band interacting? Just Neal standing next to Arnel for a few seconds? It seems like status quo mediocrity to me. To me, it's just Arnel interacting with the AUDIENCE doing the end of "Who's Cryin' Now"...which has been done better in the past. The playing is adequate, but not that impressive. Neal is just duplicating the studio recording. Nothing that impressive at all about it, or anything to get that excited about.


It's all average. Nothing to celebrate.
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Re: Neal VS Jon

Postby The_Noble_Cause » Fri Feb 10, 2023 8:37 am

Eric wrote:I’ve seen Arnel and Schon interacting on stage and I think the band sounds good. That’s not spinning.

Stop being obsessed with the soap opera BS and either enjoy things or not.


We are witnessing the implosion of one of the greatest bands of all time. Glad you find it enjoyable.
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Re: Neal VS Jon

Postby Journey/Survivor » Fri Feb 10, 2023 10:26 am

Eric wrote:Stop being obsessed with the soap opera BS and either enjoy things or not.


Absolutely 100% yes!

The best thing that Journey fans can do right now is just flat out ignore the soap opera crap with the band! Whatever happens, happens.
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Re: Neal VS Jon

Postby Journey/Survivor » Fri Feb 10, 2023 10:36 am

The_Noble_Cause wrote:
Eric wrote:I’ve seen Arnel and Schon interacting on stage and I think the band sounds good. That’s not spinning.

Stop being obsessed with the soap opera BS and either enjoy things or not.


We are witnessing the implosion of one of the greatest bands of all time.



True. But there's only one possible way for us fans to do anything to help the situation. Which is to ignore the soap opera crap, and to even not spend another penny on anything related to Journey. The only way to ever stop big business of any kind to improve their product, service, etc, etc, is to stop paying for it. Then, and only then can you "force" the business or entity to change for the better. No pun intended.

Edit. I screwed up one sentence above. I meant to say that to GET big business to improve their products and services you need to stop paying for those things until or unless they improve them.
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Re: Neal VS Jon

Postby Monker » Fri Feb 10, 2023 11:01 am

Journey/Survivor wrote:
Eric wrote:Stop being obsessed with the soap opera BS and either enjoy things or not.


Absolutely 100% yes!

The best thing that Journey fans can do right now is just flat out ignore the soap opera crap with the band! Whatever happens, happens.


It's not Soap Opera crap/BS when the self-appointed Band Leader, Band Founder, and dictator wannabe is the one who is starting the BS, and continuing it for months on end. He, Neal "Journey Founder" Schon is the one to blame and needs to change. I won't even blame his wife...because the "Journey Leader" should be able to tell her to shut the fuck up and stay out of band business. This is NEAL's "soap opera" and HE needs to end what HE started. Or, he should be removed from the band.

IMO, the best thing fans could do is to NOT GO TO THE SHOWS and support this thing. If you do not want more "Soap Opera crap", then quit funding more crap.
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Re: Neal VS Jon

Postby Monker » Fri Feb 10, 2023 11:03 am

Journey/Survivor wrote:
The_Noble_Cause wrote:
Eric wrote:I’ve seen Arnel and Schon interacting on stage and I think the band sounds good. That’s not spinning.

Stop being obsessed with the soap opera BS and either enjoy things or not.


We are witnessing the implosion of one of the greatest bands of all time.



True. But there's only one possible way for us fans to do anything to help the situation. Which is to ignore the soap opera crap, and to even not spend another penny on anything related to Journey. The only way to ever stop big business of any kind to improve their product, service, etc, etc, is to stop paying for it. Then, and only then can you "force" the business or entity to change for the better. No pun intended.


Correct.
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Re: Neal VS Jon

Postby ebake02 » Fri Feb 10, 2023 12:57 pm

The_Noble_Cause wrote:
Oh really? And have you seen them yet on this tour? I have. A few things I noticed....


-Neal cut Arnel off while Arnel was introducing him.

-When Jonathan plays rhythm (ex. during WITS) he only stands next to Todd - treats Neal like he has leprosy.

-Arnel apprehensively patted Neal on the shoulder twice - that was as much interaction as I observed.

-During Send Her My Love, the screen shows rose floral petal letters L&N (gag! puke!). They did this last tour too. What's next? A montage of Paula speaking in tongues as Jon plays Faithfully?


You and Ebake may not be able to differentiate "horseshit" from truth on Twitter, but that doesn't mean everything is rosy. Arnel's social media is basically a cry for help.

Stop the spin.


You say stop the spin but then you spin everything you see on stage like it’s some conspiracy theory and draw your own conclusions. The interaction between Neal and Jon has been minimal to nonexistent for the last several tours so that’s not a new development, I’ve watched Arnel cut off Neal more that once when he started talking as Neal tried to start the next song and I go to a concert to hear the music so I don’t give a rat’s ass what montage they play of the screen and 99% of the audience doesn’t care either.

And stop the bleeding heart crap for a Arnel too, he posts that crap on Twitter but then he doesn’t have a problem taking the big fat paycheck to go on this tour. He’s been in this band for 15 years so he’s made more than enough money to live comfortably so I don’t feel sorry for him if he chooses to stay in that dumpster fire .
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Re: Neal VS Jon

Postby The_Noble_Cause » Fri Feb 10, 2023 2:50 pm

ebake02 wrote:You say stop the spin but then you spin everything you see on stage like it’s some conspiracy theory and draw your own conclusions. The interaction between Neal and Jon has been minimal to nonexistent for the last several tours so that’s not a new development,


But I didn't say "interaction between Neal and Jon." You're spinning what I said.

I specifically said when Jon plays rhythm guitar. During WITS it was apparent he now won't get near Neal, like he's radioactive. Watch the Manilla DVD or even the Chicago shows from 2021 to see the difference. During the My Hometown HSAS jam portion, Jon now stays the hell away from him. This is my observation as someone who has seen them multiple times - including as recently last week.

ebake02 wrote:I’ve watched Arnel cut off Neal more that once when he started talking as Neal tried to start the next song


What I saw was Arnel deliberately being cut-off by Neal mid-sentence. It was an intentional slight. Again, this is my observation as someone who has seen them multiple times. Were you there?

ebake02 wrote:and I go to a concert to hear the music so I don’t give a rat’s ass what montage they play of the screen and 99% of the audience doesn’t care either.


Herbie and Journey pioneered the use of large video screens and set the standard for the industry. To see the band now using screens to promote Schon's fame-seeking wife? It's cheap, tacky, and pathetic.

ebake02 wrote:And stop the bleeding heart crap for a Arnel too, he posts that crap on Twitter but then he doesn’t have a problem taking the big fat paycheck to go on this tour. He’s been in this band for 15 years so he’s made more than enough money to live comfortably so I don’t feel sorry for him if he chooses to stay in that dumpster fire.


The contract for this tour pre-dated him coming under attack from the Schon Mean Girl crew. As for his finances....no idea.
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Re: Neal VS Jon

Postby Monker » Fri Feb 10, 2023 3:31 pm

The "spin" I see is Neal calling this the anniversary tour when it really was not meant to be and seems like a tour from a few years ago. Then I see Neal spinning Gregg not touring as Arnel and Jonathan's fault...I'd like to hear/read what Gregg says about it...but I doubt he says anything, at least for a while. I see Neal constantly pointing the finger at EVERYBODY else and sometimes just making stuff up so he doesn't have to take responsibility for anything negative....all the while exaggerating his past influence over the band, where it was either Herbie leading as manager and true creator of Journey, or LLC and business decisions where Jonathan (and sometimes Steve Perry, during ROR/TBF) share equal responsibility and credit/blame.

Neal spins during every single twitter post I have read on here. The person who needs to stop spinning and pay attention to the music is Neal Schon.
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Re: Neal VS Jon

Postby jrnyman28 » Fri Feb 10, 2023 4:28 pm

Monker wrote: The 50th anniversary tour is another lie...it's the Freedom part 2 tour being relabeled because Freedom was a huge flop.


Neal had a couple years of ideas for touring making the 50th Anniversary a couple years late. I sorta feel the rebranded this tour because Journey might not make it that far. And the money is to be made now.
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Re: Neal VS Jon

Postby Lerxst101 » Sat Feb 11, 2023 1:36 am

Monker wrote:
Journey/Survivor wrote:
Eric wrote:Stop being obsessed with the soap opera BS and either enjoy things or not.


Absolutely 100% yes!

The best thing that Journey fans can do right now is just flat out ignore the soap opera crap with the band! Whatever happens, happens.


It's not Soap Opera crap/BS when the self-appointed Band Leader, Band Founder, and dictator wannabe is the one who is starting the BS, and continuing it for months on end. He, Neal "Journey Founder" Schon is the one to blame and needs to change. I won't even blame his wife...because the "Journey Leader" should be able to tell her to shut the fuck up and stay out of band business. This is NEAL's "soap opera" and HE needs to end what HE started. Or, he should be removed from the band.

IMO, the best thing fans could do is to NOT GO TO THE SHOWS and support this thing. If you do not want more "Soap Opera crap", then quit funding more crap.


Agreed. I’ve honestly had it. Two of my favorite bands couldn’t be more different: One was a true brotherhood (Rush), while the other is this band that is imploding in front of us. So disappointed. Definitely skipping the stop in AC next month.
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Re: Neal VS Jon

Postby Hollywood » Sun Feb 12, 2023 6:41 am

Jon and Arnel look Jacked to their tits!

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Re: Neal VS Jon

Postby Eric » Tue Feb 14, 2023 12:52 am

https://rockcelebrities.net/roger-water ... tid=l066kq

Other than Herbie saying Valory didn’t improve his playing temporarily, I’ve never read/heard anyone from Journey say anything negative about each other’s abilities… at least there’s that.
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Re: Neal VS Jon

Postby Monker » Tue Feb 14, 2023 9:17 am

Eric wrote:https://rockcelebrities.net/roger-waters-calls-faux-floyds-david-gilmour-talentless/?fbclid=IwAR1JbBXS4G-qqsYlX3w_SLD-GikqfoU90uZncWWmVF5iHM508ciiL7-ZULY&mibextid=l066kq

Other than Herbie saying Valory didn’t improve his playing temporarily, I’ve never read/heard anyone from Journey say anything negative about each other’s abilities… at least there’s that.


I thought there was a bit of a blowup about Marco where Neal said he was playing over him and could not play the songs right in concert, or whatever...and eventually fired him.

Then there were Perry complaints that Steve Smith could not play like a drum machine, or whatever, and fired him for ROR. The same with Ross. Steve Smith felt insulted by those comments for years but found he had to learn to play like that to be a good studio musician...and took that approach for TBF.

Herbie also talked at length about Perry's voice changing after Escape...with a huge complaint about Perry's list of changes for the Bill Graham tribute, dropping everything by two full steps and Neal and Jonathan having to rewrite the music. And, Perry required somebody to get him the lyrics to Faithfully and Lights because he was not sure of what they were.

Also, Herbie did not just say Ross didn't improve temporarily but something like, "You have been in this band for five years but your skills have not changed since day one. You would think a professional musician would seek to improve himself." What I read was more insulting like that, not a casual comment like you said.
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