"journey" press conference this week in Sweden

by **BeautifulJbaby** » Mon Jun 22, 2009 2:59 am

portland wrote:
mdaemon wrote:
RocknRoll wrote:
mdaemon wrote:
portland wrote:
Did he have any original work that he preformed in the past....does he have a song writing background? Just curious...

Yes.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arnel_Pineda_(album)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zoology_(album)

The question is can he write Journey music?

...the next question is, will he be allowed to write?

and what about the grasp of the english language.....I would think that would come into play in songwriting

Girl, you make laugh with your questions. :lol:

You are just so hard to please. I reckon your next question is, "Can he crap gold like SP?" And if AP does, your next question is, is it more than 18K? :lol:

by **Jana** » Mon Jun 22, 2009 3:02 am

Chubby321 wrote:
portland wrote:
Chubby321 wrote:Don't worry, not upset at all . It's good that you brought it up. There are so many misconception about the Philippines, it might be a third world country but it's better than most.

My husband was stationed there in the Air Force...so I am familar with the lifestyle. I just was making the point that it takes more than a understanding of the language to write songs

As mentioned already, he co-wrote many of the songs in his album.

Arnel brought his brother to live with him when Arnel was in his early twenties and put him through school. He said Arnel always had a guitar and was always writing music. For Arnel it was his passion, and not being able to play his original music in the early years, b/c to support himself he worked clubs that wanted covers (I think he had one hit young and then record deals not working out) is part of what turned him to drugs. Arnel has stated he has always written songs in English too, which the songs I've heard were always in English. Over there on shows the majority of songs are in English.

by **portland** » Mon Jun 22, 2009 3:12 am

BeautifulJbaby wrote:
portland wrote:
mdaemon wrote:
RocknRoll wrote:
mdaemon wrote:
portland wrote:
Did he have any original work that he preformed in the past....does he have a song writing background? Just curious...

Yes.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arnel_Pineda_(album)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zoology_(album)

The question is can he write Journey music?

...the next question is, will he be allowed to write?

and what about the grasp of the english language.....I would think that would come into play in songwriting

Girl, you make laugh with your questions. You are just so hard to please. I reckon your next question is, "Can he crap gold like SP?" And if AP does, your next question is, is it more than 18K?

Hey, glad I can entertain....and I am not hard to please at all....just for the record it is Platium not gold....

by **BeautifulJbaby** » Mon Jun 22, 2009 3:15 am

portland wrote:
BeautifulJbaby wrote:
portland wrote:
mdaemon wrote:
RocknRoll wrote:
mdaemon wrote:
portland wrote:
Did he have any original work that he preformed in the past....does he have a song writing background? Just curious...

Yes.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arnel_Pineda_(album)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zoology_(album)

The question is can he write Journey music?

...the next question is, will he be allowed to write?

and what about the grasp of the english language.....I would think that would come into play in songwriting

Girl, you make laugh with your questions. You are just so hard to please. I reckon your next question is, "Can he crap gold like SP?" And if AP does, your next question is, is it more than 18K?

Hey, glad I can entertain....and I am not hard to please at all....just for the record it is Platium not gold....

And for the record, AP just crapped Platinum. And it's a big ONE. :lol:

by **portland** » Mon Jun 22, 2009 3:19 am

BeautifulJbaby wrote:
portland wrote:
BeautifulJbaby wrote:
portland wrote:
mdaemon wrote:
RocknRoll wrote:
mdaemon wrote:
portland wrote:
Did he have any original work that he preformed in the past....does he have a song writing background? Just curious...

Yes.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arnel_Pineda_(album)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zoology_(album)

The question is can he write Journey music?

...the next question is, will he be allowed to write?

and what about the grasp of the english language.....I would think that would come into play in songwriting

Girl, you make laugh with your questions. You are just so hard to please. I reckon your next question is, "Can he crap gold like SP?" And if AP does, your next question is, is it more than 18K?

Hey, glad I can entertain....and I am not hard to please at all....just for the record it is Platium not gold....

And for the record, AP just crapped Platinum. And it's a big ONE.

Well he has a few more to go if you know what I mean.....and I think we have already gone over the numbers game on this one many many times.....considering 1/2 of that Platium is the re-treads that he shall not be named help write. So when AP catches up then we can talk...... :wink:

by **RocknRoll** » Mon Jun 22, 2009 3:21 am

BeautifulJbaby wrote:
And for the record, AP just crapped Platinum. And it's a big ONE.

Didn't you mean to say Journey with AP? :shock:

by **portland** » Mon Jun 22, 2009 3:24 am

RocknRoll wrote:
BeautifulJbaby wrote:
And for the record, AP just crapped Platinum. And it's a big ONE.

Didn't you mean to say Journey with AP?

Didn't you know it was a solo effort :wink:

by **RocknRoll** » Mon Jun 22, 2009 3:29 am

portland wrote:
RocknRoll wrote:
BeautifulJbaby wrote:
And for the record, AP just crapped Platinum. And it's a big ONE.

Didn't you mean to say Journey with AP?

Didn't you know it was a solo effort

Hey, BJB did have a great comeback though. Pretty funny. :lol:

by **portland** » Mon Jun 22, 2009 3:31 am

RocknRoll wrote:
portland wrote:
RocknRoll wrote:
BeautifulJbaby wrote:
And for the record, AP just crapped Platinum. And it's a big ONE.

Didn't you mean to say Journey with AP?

Didn't you know it was a solo effort

Hey, BJB did have a great comeback though. Pretty funny.

Just so funny..... :roll:

by **strangegrey** » Mon Jun 22, 2009 4:07 am

mdaemon wrote:Hunsicker said no to Journey due to not being able to tour as he just had a baby back then, didn't he? At least that's what he told us. So Hunsicker, technically, isn't part of that list.

Well, if I remember correctly, Jeremey actually blogged about Neal having a serious problem with Jeremey's wife showing up to the audition...and the assumption that Jeremey's poor wife was going to be mistook for another Sherrie-type. I can hunt the posts here and dig it up, just as much as anyone can.

The point I'm driving home here, is that there was enough bullshit sailing through the airwaves, that Jeremey felt it necessary to blog about the experience, to prevent misinformation regarding his experience...and in my opinion, it highlights one very clear and concise concern for Nick Schlong, which was to find a controllable, pliable singer...

...there are plenty of rock and rollers out there with kids. Jeremey wanted this, or else he wouldn't have flown to Nomota to audition....to dismiss it as clear cut "jeremey had a baby and couldn't do it" is glossing over the fact that there's some 'issues' there that should have been worked out, but wouldn't get worked out due to Schlong's inflexibility....

Like I said....this band has a SERIOUS history of bad shit with singers. As already stated, fan status older than Arnel's tenure with this band is required to adequately and appropriately paint the picture in your mind. I really think 'new fans' that came on board with Arnel miss this point frequently....

and it *will* bite them in the ass someday. There's going to be alot of heartbreak here when Arnel gets the Spanish Archer....

by **Esc** » Mon Jun 22, 2009 4:38 am

portland wrote:
mdaemon wrote:
portland wrote:
mdaemon wrote:
RocknRoll wrote:
mdaemon wrote:
portland wrote:
Did he have any original work that he preformed in the past....does he have a song writing background? Just curious...

Yes.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arnel_Pineda_(album)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zoology_(album)

The question is can he write Journey music?

...the next question is, will he be allowed to write?

and what about the grasp of the english language.....I would think that would come into play in songwriting

Arnel is fluent is english. He may have had a problem expressing himself due to confidence issues back then but that is not the case now. Check out Arnel's old Zoo video and listen to him communicate to the audience in English. Also. Arnel worked in HongKong for several years so the only way he can communicate with the locals there was to speak in English. Lastly, if you have been to the Philippines, English is widely spoken there. Even a lowly tricycle (tuk-tuk) driver understands and speak passable english.

There is a difference in understanding and speaking a language and songwriting...IMO...songwriting takes a depth of feeling in the words....

i agree.

"Payin' anything to roll the dice,
just one more time"

"...im hangin' up my boxing gloves.."

im filipino, im fluent in english, and im not saying that im smarter than Arnel.
but frankly speaking...i wouldnt have thought of these phrases until i heard it in the songs.

by **Chubby321** » Mon Jun 22, 2009 7:28 am

Esc wrote:
portland wrote:
mdaemon wrote:
portland wrote:
mdaemon wrote:
RocknRoll wrote:
mdaemon wrote:
portland wrote:
Did he have any original work that he preformed in the past....does he have a song writing background? Just curious...

Yes.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arnel_Pineda_(album)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zoology_(album)

The question is can he write Journey music?

...the next question is, will he be allowed to write?

and what about the grasp of the english language.....I would think that would come into play in songwriting

Arnel is fluent is english. He may have had a problem expressing himself due to confidence issues back then but that is not the case now. Check out Arnel's old Zoo video and listen to him communicate to the audience in English. Also. Arnel worked in HongKong for several years so the only way he can communicate with the locals there was to speak in English. Lastly, if you have been to the Philippines, English is widely spoken there. Even a lowly tricycle (tuk-tuk) driver understands and speak passable english.

There is a difference in understanding and speaking a language and songwriting...IMO...songwriting takes a depth of feeling in the words....

i agree.

"Payin' anything to roll the dice,
just one more time"

"...im hangin' up my boxing gloves.."

im filipino, im fluent in english, and im not saying that im smarter than Arnel.
but frankly speaking...i wouldnt have thought of these phrases until i heard it in the songs.

I am not a songwriter but i can do better than that. :wink:

by **Blueskies** » Mon Jun 22, 2009 7:52 am

Chubby321 wrote:
Esc wrote:
portland wrote:
mdaemon wrote:
portland wrote:
mdaemon wrote:
RocknRoll wrote:
mdaemon wrote:
portland wrote:
Did he have any original work that he preformed in the past....does he have a song writing background? Just curious...

Yes.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arnel_Pineda_(album)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zoology_(album)

The question is can he write Journey music?

...the next question is, will he be allowed to write?

and what about the grasp of the english language.....I would think that would come into play in songwriting

Arnel is fluent is english. He may have had a problem expressing himself due to confidence issues back then but that is not the case now. Check out Arnel's old Zoo video and listen to him communicate to the audience in English. Also. Arnel worked in HongKong for several years so the only way he can communicate with the locals there was to speak in English. Lastly, if you have been to the Philippines, English is widely spoken there. Even a lowly tricycle (tuk-tuk) driver understands and speak passable english.

There is a difference in understanding and speaking a language and songwriting...IMO...songwriting takes a depth of feeling in the words....

i agree.

"Payin' anything to roll the dice,
just one more time"

"...im hangin' up my boxing gloves.."

im filipino, im fluent in english, and im not saying that im smarter than Arnel.
but frankly speaking...i wouldnt have thought of these phrases until i heard it in the songs.

I am not a songwriter but i can do better than that.

I call bullschutt....if you're gonna talk the talk then bring it.

by **Chubby321** » Mon Jun 22, 2009 8:24 am

Blueskies wrote:
Chubby321 wrote:
Esc wrote:
portland wrote:
mdaemon wrote:
portland wrote:
mdaemon wrote:
RocknRoll wrote:
mdaemon wrote:
portland wrote:
Did he have any original work that he preformed in the past....does he have a song writing background? Just curious...

Yes.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arnel_Pineda_(album)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zoology_(album)

The question is can he write Journey music?

...the next question is, will he be allowed to write?

and what about the grasp of the english language.....I would think that would come into play in songwriting

Arnel is fluent is english. He may have had a problem expressing himself due to confidence issues back then but that is not the case now. Check out Arnel's old Zoo video and listen to him communicate to the audience in English. Also. Arnel worked in HongKong for several years so the only way he can communicate with the locals there was to speak in English. Lastly, if you have been to the Philippines, English is widely spoken there. Even a lowly tricycle (tuk-tuk) driver understands and speak passable english.

There is a difference in understanding and speaking a language and songwriting...IMO...songwriting takes a depth of feeling in the words....

i agree.

"Payin' anything to roll the dice,
just one more time"

"...im hangin' up my boxing gloves.."

im filipino, im fluent in english, and im not saying that im smarter than Arnel.
but frankly speaking...i wouldnt have thought of these phrases until i heard it in the songs.

I am not a songwriter but i can do better than that.

I call bullschutt....if you're gonna talk the talk then bring it.

Here.....

Highway run
Into the midnight sun
Wheels go round and round
Youre on my mind
Restless hearts
Sleep alone tonight
Sendin all my love
Along the wire

Kidding aside, I think this is a better example of phrases/lyrics that you would not normally think of.

Btw, I kid about

"Payin' anything to roll the dice,
just one more time"

by **Blueskies** » Mon Jun 22, 2009 8:27 am

Chubby321 wrote:
Blueskies wrote:
Chubby321 wrote:
Esc wrote:
portland wrote:
mdaemon wrote:
portland wrote:
mdaemon wrote:
RocknRoll wrote:
mdaemon wrote:
portland wrote:
Did he have any original work that he preformed in the past....does he have a song writing background? Just curious...

Yes.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arnel_Pineda_(album)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zoology_(album)

The question is can he write Journey music?

...the next question is, will he be allowed to write?

and what about the grasp of the english language.....I would think that would come into play in songwriting

Arnel is fluent is english. He may have had a problem expressing himself due to confidence issues back then but that is not the case now. Check out Arnel's old Zoo video and listen to him communicate to the audience in English. Also. Arnel worked in HongKong for several years so the only way he can communicate with the locals there was to speak in English. Lastly, if you have been to the Philippines, English is widely spoken there. Even a lowly tricycle (tuk-tuk) driver understands and speak passable english.

There is a difference in understanding and speaking a language and songwriting...IMO...songwriting takes a depth of feeling in the words....

i agree.

"Payin' anything to roll the dice,
just one more time"

"...im hangin' up my boxing gloves.."

im filipino, im fluent in english, and im not saying that im smarter than Arnel.
but frankly speaking...i wouldnt have thought of these phrases until i heard it in the songs.

I am not a songwriter but i can do better than that.

I call bullschutt....if you're gonna talk the talk then bring it.

Here.....

Highway run
Into the midnight sun
Wheels go round and round
Youre on my mind
Restless hearts
Sleep alone tonight
Sendin all my love
Along the wire

Kidding aside, I think this is a better example of phrases/lyrics that you would not normally think of.

plagiarist

by **Esc** » Mon Jun 22, 2009 8:36 am

Chubby321 wrote:
Blueskies wrote:
Chubby321 wrote:
Esc wrote:
portland wrote:
mdaemon wrote:
portland wrote:
mdaemon wrote:
RocknRoll wrote:
mdaemon wrote:
portland wrote:
Did he have any original work that he preformed in the past....does he have a song writing background? Just curious...

Yes.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arnel_Pineda_(album)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zoology_(album)

The question is can he write Journey music?

...the next question is, will he be allowed to write?

and what about the grasp of the english language.....I would think that would come into play in songwriting

Arnel is fluent is english. He may have had a problem expressing himself due to confidence issues back then but that is not the case now. Check out Arnel's old Zoo video and listen to him communicate to the audience in English. Also. Arnel worked in HongKong for several years so the only way he can communicate with the locals there was to speak in English. Lastly, if you have been to the Philippines, English is widely spoken there. Even a lowly tricycle (tuk-tuk) driver understands and speak passable english.

There is a difference in understanding and speaking a language and songwriting...IMO...songwriting takes a depth of feeling in the words....

i agree.

"Payin' anything to roll the dice,
just one more time"

"...im hangin' up my boxing gloves.."

im filipino, im fluent in english, and im not saying that im smarter than Arnel.
but frankly speaking...i wouldnt have thought of these phrases until i heard it in the songs.

I am not a songwriter but i can do better than that.

I call bullschutt....if you're gonna talk the talk then bring it.

Here.....

Highway run
Into the midnight sun
Wheels go round and round
Youre on my mind
Restless hearts
Sleep alone tonight
Sendin all my love
Along the wire

Kidding aside, I think this is a better example of phrases/lyrics that you would not normally think of.

the lyrics that you chose actually are a bit straight forward.
i was pointing out words used in lyrics that sometimes doesnt exactly mean what they mean. (or something like that.

)

well, yeah, what the hell is a midnight sun anyway?

by **Blueskies** » Mon Jun 22, 2009 8:40 am

Esc wrote:
Chubby321 wrote:
Blueskies wrote:
Chubby321 wrote:
Esc wrote:
portland wrote:
mdaemon wrote:
portland wrote:
mdaemon wrote:
RocknRoll wrote:
mdaemon wrote:
portland wrote:
Did he have any original work that he preformed in the past....does he have a song writing background? Just curious...

Yes.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arnel_Pineda_(album)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zoology_(album)

The question is can he write Journey music?

...the next question is, will he be allowed to write?

and what about the grasp of the english language.....I would think that would come into play in songwriting

Arnel is fluent is english. He may have had a problem expressing himself due to confidence issues back then but that is not the case now. Check out Arnel's old Zoo video and listen to him communicate to the audience in English. Also. Arnel worked in HongKong for several years so the only way he can communicate with the locals there was to speak in English. Lastly, if you have been to the Philippines, English is widely spoken there. Even a lowly tricycle (tuk-tuk) driver understands and speak passable english.

There is a difference in understanding and speaking a language and songwriting...IMO...songwriting takes a depth of feeling in the words....

i agree.

"Payin' anything to roll the dice,
just one more time"

"...im hangin' up my boxing gloves.."

im filipino, im fluent in english, and im not saying that im smarter than Arnel.
but frankly speaking...i wouldnt have thought of these phrases until i heard it in the songs.

I am not a songwriter but i can do better than that.

I call bullschutt....if you're gonna talk the talk then bring it.

Here.....

Highway run
Into the midnight sun
Wheels go round and round
Youre on my mind
Restless hearts
Sleep alone tonight
Sendin all my love
Along the wire

Kidding aside, I think this is a better example of phrases/lyrics that you would not normally think of.

the lyrics that you chose actually are a bit straight forward.
i was pointing out words used in lyrics that sometimes doesnt exactly mean what they mean. (or something like that. )

well, yeah, what the hell is a midnight sun anyway?

Just means rolling down the highway ...into the sunset on the horizon and beyond..driving all night long. :wink:

by **Chubby321** » Mon Jun 22, 2009 8:46 am

http://www.collegian.psu.edu/archive/20 ... rts-01.asp

Deen interview:

2. What exactly is the "Wheel in the Sky," and why does it keep on turnin'?

I have no idea. I often wonder who was smoking what when they wrote some of those songs, especially the really early ones.

9. Do you ever get embarrassed that you're in a band that does a song called "Lovin' Touchin' Squeezin' "?

Well, you know, I just love being in this band. But I mean, some of the lyrics Steve [Perry] wrote were a little, uh, happy. It's still great stuff, though.

:lol:

by **Chubby321** » Mon Jun 22, 2009 8:48 am

Blueskies wrote:
Esc wrote:
Chubby321 wrote:
Blueskies wrote:
Chubby321 wrote:
Esc wrote:
portland wrote:
mdaemon wrote:
portland wrote:
mdaemon wrote:
RocknRoll wrote:
mdaemon wrote:
portland wrote:
Did he have any original work that he preformed in the past....does he have a song writing background? Just curious...

Yes.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arnel_Pineda_(album)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zoology_(album)

The question is can he write Journey music?

...the next question is, will he be allowed to write?

and what about the grasp of the english language.....I would think that would come into play in songwriting

Arnel is fluent is english. He may have had a problem expressing himself due to confidence issues back then but that is not the case now. Check out Arnel's old Zoo video and listen to him communicate to the audience in English. Also. Arnel worked in HongKong for several years so the only way he can communicate with the locals there was to speak in English. Lastly, if you have been to the Philippines, English is widely spoken there. Even a lowly tricycle (tuk-tuk) driver understands and speak passable english.

There is a difference in understanding and speaking a language and songwriting...IMO...songwriting takes a depth of feeling in the words....

i agree.

"Payin' anything to roll the dice,
just one more time"

"...im hangin' up my boxing gloves.."

im filipino, im fluent in english, and im not saying that im smarter than Arnel.
but frankly speaking...i wouldnt have thought of these phrases until i heard it in the songs.

I am not a songwriter but i can do better than that.

I call bullschutt....if you're gonna talk the talk then bring it.

Here.....

Highway run
Into the midnight sun
Wheels go round and round
Youre on my mind
Restless hearts
Sleep alone tonight
Sendin all my love
Along the wire

Kidding aside, I think this is a better example of phrases/lyrics that you would not normally think of.

the lyrics that you chose actually are a bit straight forward.
i was pointing out words used in lyrics that sometimes doesnt exactly mean what they mean. (or something like that. )

well, yeah, what the hell is a midnight sun anyway?
Just means rolling down the highway ...into the sunset on the horizon and beyond..driving all night long.

by **Rick** » Mon Jun 22, 2009 8:58 am

Chubby321 wrote:http://www.collegian.psu.edu/archive/2005/07/07-19-05tdc/07-19-05darts-01.asp

Deen interview:

2. What exactly is the "Wheel in the Sky," and why does it keep on turnin'?

I have no idea. I often wonder who was smoking what when they wrote some of those songs, especially the really early ones.

9. Do you ever get embarrassed that you're in a band that does a song called "Lovin' Touchin' Squeezin' "?

Well, you know, I just love being in this band. But I mean, some of the lyrics Steve [Perry] wrote were a little, uh, happy. It's still great stuff, though.

The wheel in the sky is the airplane propeller taking them to their next destination. Sometimes musicians on tour will have to ask "what city are we playing tonight?" Which explains the lyric "Don't know where I'll be tomorrow."

by **Blueskies** » Mon Jun 22, 2009 9:02 am

Rick wrote:
Chubby321 wrote:http://www.collegian.psu.edu/archive/2005/07/07-19-05tdc/07-19-05darts-01.asp

Deen interview:

2. What exactly is the "Wheel in the Sky," and why does it keep on turnin'?

I have no idea. I often wonder who was smoking what when they wrote some of those songs, especially the really early ones.

9. Do you ever get embarrassed that you're in a band that does a song called "Lovin' Touchin' Squeezin' "?

Well, you know, I just love being in this band. But I mean, some of the lyrics Steve [Perry] wrote were a little, uh, happy. It's still great stuff, though.

The wheel in the sky is the airplane propeller taking them to their next destination. Sometimes musicians on tour will have to ask "what city are we playing tonight?" Which explains the lyric "Don't know where I'll be tomorrow."

Fryewings take was more colorful with depth..

by **Don** » Mon Jun 22, 2009 9:03 am

A lot of times, being able to create a melody is more important than the actual lyrics. On more than a few of their of the hits, Cain and Perry would have the music already mapped out and then add the words as they went, sometimes bending the melody to fit the lyrics they were interjecting. If t couldn't be bent, you end up with midnight sun and streetlight people. Without being able to write music, lyrics are just poems without a soul. A great songwriter is a poet and musician all wrapped into one. Sometime it take more than on person for that process.
Cain/Perry/Schon
Bon Jovi/Child/Sanbora
The sum of the individual parts equals success.

by **Jubilee** » Mon Jun 22, 2009 9:03 am

Esc wrote: the lyrics that you chose actually are a bit straight forward.
i was pointing out words used in lyrics that sometimes doesnt exactly mean what they mean. (or something like that. )

well, yeah, what the hell is a midnight sun anyway?

I always thought that was a reference to the moon/moonlight.

And I agree with the previous posters re songwriting taking more than being fluent in a language. While English isn't a terribly nuanced language, writing song lyrics does require a certain amount of nuance, and some of those pesky little idiomatic phrases, and maybe even a few colloquialisms. :wink:

by **Gideon** » Mon Jun 22, 2009 9:07 am

annie89509 wrote:So, what's your point, Giddy ?

Just a reminder that Arnel is on record for being a better human being than the great Perry.

Why even bring SP into this thread?

I believe Dan or Brywool mentioned that every Loon, SPoon, and other denominations of the fanatical cult of Perry feels obligated to make a thread twice a day comparing Perry's roles to Arnel's solely for the purpose of reiterating already established superiority.

The SPoons do it for the voice, I do it for the character. :wink:

To you, he's an asshole ... to others, he may not be.

Well, I have reasons to think that way. And I've made room for the fact that Perry has moved on and has changed. But he was pretty bad. And people needn't forget it.

by **Esc** » Mon Jun 22, 2009 9:08 am

Jubilee wrote:
Esc wrote: the lyrics that you chose actually are a bit straight forward.
i was pointing out words used in lyrics that sometimes doesnt exactly mean what they mean. (or something like that. )

well, yeah, what the hell is a midnight sun anyway?

I always thought that was a reference to the moon/moonlight.

And I agree with the previous posters re songwriting taking more than being fluent in a language. While English isn't a terribly nuanced language, writing song lyrics does require a certain amount of nuance, and some of those pesky little idiomatic phrases, and maybe even a few colloquialisms.

right on..

(see, "right on" doesnt exactly mean the opposite of "left on". haha.)

by **Rick** » Mon Jun 22, 2009 9:09 am

Blueskies wrote:
Rick wrote:
Chubby321 wrote:http://www.collegian.psu.edu/archive/2005/07/07-19-05tdc/07-19-05darts-01.asp

Deen interview:

2. What exactly is the "Wheel in the Sky," and why does it keep on turnin'?

I have no idea. I often wonder who was smoking what when they wrote some of those songs, especially the really early ones.

9. Do you ever get embarrassed that you're in a band that does a song called "Lovin' Touchin' Squeezin' "?

Well, you know, I just love being in this band. But I mean, some of the lyrics Steve [Perry] wrote were a little, uh, happy. It's still great stuff, though.

The wheel in the sky is the airplane propeller taking them to their next destination. Sometimes musicians on tour will have to ask "what city are we playing tonight?" Which explains the lyric "Don't know where I'll be tomorrow."

Fryewings take was more colorful with depth..

Wow, there's a name from the past. :lol:

by **Chubby321** » Mon Jun 22, 2009 9:09 am

Gunbot wrote:A lot of times, being able to create a melody is more important than the actual lyrics. On more than a few of their of the hits, Cain and Perry would have the music already mapped out and then add the words as they went, sometimes bending the melody to fit the lyrics they were interjecting. If t couldn't be bent, you end up with midnight sun and streetlight people. Without being able to write music, lyrics are just poems without a soul. A great songwriter is a poet and musician all wrapped into one. Sometime it take more than on person for that process.
Cain/Perry/Schon
Bon Jovi/Child/Sanbora
The sum of the individual parts equals success.

I agree.

by **Chubby321** » Mon Jun 22, 2009 9:11 am

Esc wrote:
Jubilee wrote:
Esc wrote: the lyrics that you chose actually are a bit straight forward.
i was pointing out words used in lyrics that sometimes doesnt exactly mean what they mean. (or something like that. )

well, yeah, what the hell is a midnight sun anyway?

I always thought that was a reference to the moon/moonlight.

And I agree with the previous posters re songwriting taking more than being fluent in a language. While English isn't a terribly nuanced language, writing song lyrics does require a certain amount of nuance, and some of those pesky little idiomatic phrases, and maybe even a few colloquialisms.

right on..

(see, "right on" doesnt exactly mean the opposite of "left on". haha.)

by **Gideon** » Mon Jun 22, 2009 9:13 am

SherriBerry wrote:Gideon, you recently pointed out to Portland that you consider it obnoxious behaviour when people bring SP into a thread just to "fellate" him, yet this post is another example that you are guilty of the same type of behaviour. The difference is that you often bring SP into the discussion for no other reason than to attack his character.

You're right; there is a difference between my actions and Portland's: Perry's superiority has been substantiated and established by most of the (sane) people on this forum. Perry's moral deficits, on the other hand, have been lost in the pages of revisionist history to most of the straight jacket brigade.

I've never seen you, for example, acknowledge that Perry's actions were easily on par with the worst of Schon's and Cain's.

The discussion is about Arnel and you have unnecessarily brought in SP just to call him an asshole.

As I explained to Portland, and now to you, Arnel is on record as being a better human being than Perry. No different from people constantly fellating Perry as both singer and human being. Arnel's critics should limit themselves purely to perceived vocal flaws. As a person, he's been far more generous, considerate, and appreciative than Perry.

Had the subject been SP's previous actions, then your opinion of his character might have at least been relevant.

Don't forget accurate. Perhaps I'll stop the attacks when you acknowledge that he was rather atrocious.

I did notice your smooth transition between the points leading up to the last statement, but that is simply an example of good writing skills.

I am rather vulnerable to flattery. :wink:

By the way, I hope you are going to university this fall. Pre-law?

No ma'am: political science.

by **ttango1** » Mon Jun 22, 2009 9:20 am

Re-hash, re-tread, and regurgitated arguments...it's so past tense. I'm not saying let it go but man, it's so repetitive. Arnel is golden where he needs to be. To the guys in the band, and to the people that support him AND Journey.

Let's see what he's allowed to contribute. What irks me is that there are so many that say he has much to do to surpass SP. That's almost a certain impossibility due to the music climate that dominates today and the monumental work that was accomplished in the past. But having said that, AP and Journey still have a lot to say musically. The recording industry is littered with acts that have done things so monumentally large that whatever came next, although excellent, didn't replicate the success. Ultimately, we as fans judge them. We either buy their records or go to their shows. Doing either is a vote that says you still want to support them. I know I do.

MR

"journey" press conference this week in Sweden

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