Eclipse - Your Reviews

[brywool]

Open your mind and ears, Sean. You're letting your bias against band member decisions and personalities color what you're hearing. Dude, let bygones be bygones.

THIS

[brywool]

... without radio driving a song in your brain a good song wont become a great song.
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What's the difference between yesterday and today as far as getting songs in your head?

Memories! Most people hold Journey tunes close to their heart because it brings back memories of youth, those experiences and, for Perry fans, being about 50-80 pounds lighter. The thing is this, if you could magically swap out songs and put the Eclipse release date at 1981, 1983, or 1986, and any those old Journey albums released in 2011, you'd see how they stack up against each other. But you can't, so it's pretty futile to try and compare. Especially when you have people holding on to sentimental memories that go along with those songs from their younger days. The memories of youth are just so much better than getting older, fatter and closer to death.

Exactly why Eclipse is now my favorite Journey album. I'm 18 years old and I'm in my youth now. Not in the 80s. And while some wonderful songs were written back then and in the 70s as well, they don't have that same 'click' with me as Eclipse does.

That said, 'Tantra' is making a comeback for me. I don't think it'll become my favorite at all, but it's finally 'clicking' with me the right way. And indeed, the song is wonderfully written.

Dude, you've had the songs for less than a week. How many memories can you have made? Memories of school dances. Dancing to Open Arms with that cute girl from homeroom. Rocking out to DSB while crusing in that Camaro....What have you done in 5 days that elicits a memory like that?

He's 18... this could get gross!

[Don]

... without radio driving a song in your brain a good song wont become a great song.
s

What's the difference between yesterday and today as far as getting songs in your head?

Memories! Most people hold Journey tunes close to their heart because it brings back memories of youth, those experiences and, for Perry fans, being about 50-80 pounds lighter. The thing is this, if you could magically swap out songs and put the Eclipse release date at 1981, 1983, or 1986, and any those old Journey albums released in 2011, you'd see how they stack up against each other. But you can't, so it's pretty futile to try and compare. Especially when you have people holding on to sentimental memories that go along with those songs from their younger days. The memories of youth are just so much better than getting older, fatter and closer to death.

Exactly why Eclipse is now my favorite Journey album. I'm 18 years old and I'm in my youth now. Not in the 80s. And while some wonderful songs were written back then and in the 70s as well, they don't have that same 'click' with me as Eclipse does.

That said, 'Tantra' is making a comeback for me. I don't think it'll become my favorite at all, but it's finally 'clicking' with me the right way. And indeed, the song is wonderfully written.

Dude, you've had the songs for less than a week. How many memories can you have made? Memories of school dances. Dancing to Open Arms with that cute girl from homeroom. Rocking out to DSB while crusing in that Camaro....What have you done in 5 days that elicits a memory like that?

I have to agree with this. It's spot on.

[Behshad]

My memory of this album will be of the Rapture and how I was left behind....
wow, just killed it for me.



(sorry, I just can't get enough of religious knuckleheads)

S2m- Quality Songwriting? You can't be serious. My answer to that is "Tantra". Brilliant song.

Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

[Don]

... without radio driving a song in your brain a good song wont become a great song.
s

What's the difference between yesterday and today as far as getting songs in your head?

Memories! Most people hold Journey tunes close to their heart because it brings back memories of youth, those experiences and, for Perry fans, being about 50-80 pounds lighter. The thing is this, if you could magically swap out songs and put the Eclipse release date at 1981, 1983, or 1986, and any those old Journey albums released in 2011, you'd see how they stack up against each other. But you can't, so it's pretty futile to try and compare. Especially when you have people holding on to sentimental memories that go along with those songs from their younger days. The memories of youth are just so much better than getting older, fatter and closer to death.

Exactly why Eclipse is now my favorite Journey album. I'm 18 years old and I'm in my youth now. Not in the 80s. And while some wonderful songs were written back then and in the 70s as well, they don't have that same 'click' with me as Eclipse does.

That said, 'Tantra' is making a comeback for me. I don't think it'll become my favorite at all, but it's finally 'clicking' with me the right way. And indeed, the song is wonderfully written.

Dude, you've had the songs for less than a week. How many memories can you have made? Memories of school dances. Dancing to Open Arms with that cute girl from homeroom. Rocking out to DSB while crusing in that Camaro....What have you done in 5 days that elicits a memory like that?

He's 18... this could get gross!

Five days, how many bottles of Jergens is that?

[steveo777]

Open your mind and ears, Sean. You're letting your bias against band member decisions and personalities color what you're hearing. Dude, let bygones be bygones.

THIS

The album sucked at the inception. Mind made up...case closed. The crystal ball also says any future
album releases will also suck. Music produced by Journey's children will also suck, and so on and so on.

[S2M]

I was 12 when Escape dropped, and 14 when Frontiers hit me like a fucking George Forman body shot....It was awesome to have been 'underage' when those things happened....just after hitting puberty. Journey was EVERYWHERE back then....good times, man....

[VirgilTheart]

Dude, you've had the songs for less than a week. How many memories can you have made? Memories of school dances. Dancing to Open Arms with that cute girl from homeroom. Rocking out to DSB while crusing in that Camaro....What have you done in 5 days that elicits a memory like that?

None whatsoever, or at least not like how you're describing them. Unlike my peers, I don't get to go out much. I'm stuck in my house most of the time, outside of school.

But, this album is a personal symbol to me of the time in my life that's going on right now, where I decided to man up and make changes in my life. I'm graduating. I'm an adult now. I'm starting community college in August.

So no, I have no specific events. Just a general period of time in my life where hopefully I'll look back on 30 years from now while giving the album another spin, when I'm 48, and say to myself, "That was the turning point."

[S2M]

Dude, you've had the songs for less than a week. How many memories can you have made? Memories of school dances. Dancing to Open Arms with that cute girl from homeroom. Rocking out to DSB while crusing in that Camaro....What have you done in 5 days that elicits a memory like that?

None whatsoever, or at least not like how you're describing them. Unlike my peers, I don't get to go out much. I'm stuck in my house most of the time, outside of school.

But, this album is a personal symbol to me of the time in my life that's going on right now, where I decided to man up and make changes in my life. I'm graduating. I'm an adult now. I'm starting community college in August.

So no, I have no specific events. Just a general period of time in my life where hopefully I'll look back on 30 years from now while giving the album another spin, when I'm 48, and say to myself, "That was the turning point."

Well if you have aspirations of Rip Van Winkle, Tantra is a great place to start...

You may wake up and actually BE 48.....

[brywool]

I was 12 when Escape dropped, and 14 when Frontiers hit me like a fucking George Forman body shot....It was awesome to have been 'underage' when those things happened....just after hitting puberty. Journey was EVERYWHERE back then....good times, man....

That's true, but today's media is so much different. That's hardly Journey's fault.

[VirgilTheart]

Well if you have aspirations of Rip Van Winkle, Tantra is a great place to start...

You may wake up and actually BE 48.....

Dude, shut up. For the first time in years, I'm actually making the effort to break out of my shell. And I'm damn proud of myself for it and grateful to Journey for the soundtrack of this period as I do so.

This album is actually inspiring me to make sure I don't end up like Rip Van Perry. *re-reads that last bit* Oh, I mean, Rip Van Winkle.

[koberry]

I was 12 when Escape dropped, and 14 when Frontiers hit me like a fucking George Forman body shot....It was awesome to have been 'underage' when those things happened....just after hitting puberty. Journey was EVERYWHERE back then....good times, man....

Oh yeah, good times. I turned 16 the day Stone in Love was released to radio. Had just passed my drivers test and had my license. Took the car out for my first trip solo and was feeling freedom. Then, that amazing riff comes out of the speakers and it was the first time hearing it! Tellin ya, it was cool.

[S2M]

I was 12 when Escape dropped, and 14 when Frontiers hit me like a fucking George Forman body shot....It was awesome to have been 'underage' when those things happened....just after hitting puberty. Journey was EVERYWHERE back then....good times, man....

Oh yeah, good times. I turned 16 the day Stone in Love was released to radio. Had just passed my drivers test and had my license. Took the car out for my first trip solo and was feeling freedom. Then, that amazing riff comes out of the speakers and it was the first time hearing it! Tellin ya, it was cool.

I know we make fun of today's music all the time here...but do you think the days of getting that license, popping in that cassette(CD), and cruising to some kick-ass song are over? Do kids still do that? I can't imagine it is the same....

[Don]

I was 12 when Escape dropped, and 14 when Frontiers hit me like a fucking George Forman body shot....It was awesome to have been 'underage' when those things happened....just after hitting puberty. Journey was EVERYWHERE back then....good times, man....

Oh yeah, good times. I turned 16 the day Stone in Love was released to radio. Had just passed my drivers test and had my license. Took the car out for my first trip solo and was feeling freedom. Then, that amazing riff comes out of the speakers and it was the first time hearing it! Tellin ya, it was cool.

I know we make fun of today's music all the time here...but do you think the days of getting that license, popping in that cassette(CD), and cruising to some kick-ass song are over? Do kids still do that? I can't imagine it is the same....

Fuck, half of the kids don't even get their license's until they're 17 or 18 now. A ton of High schools don't even offer driver ed, you have to go pay for a course somewhere else.

[koberry]

I was 12 when Escape dropped, and 14 when Frontiers hit me like a fucking George Forman body shot....It was awesome to have been 'underage' when those things happened....just after hitting puberty. Journey was EVERYWHERE back then....good times, man....

Oh yeah, good times. I turned 16 the day Stone in Love was released to radio. Had just passed my drivers test and had my license. Took the car out for my first trip solo and was feeling freedom. Then, that amazing riff comes out of the speakers and it was the first time hearing it! Tellin ya, it was cool.

I know we make fun of today's music all the time here...but do you think the days of getting that license, popping in that cassette(CD), and cruising to some kick-ass song are over? Do kids still do that? I can't imagine it is the same....

How could it possibly be different? People don't change, just because radio doesn't exist anymore.

[Don]

I was 12 when Escape dropped, and 14 when Frontiers hit me like a fucking George Forman body shot....It was awesome to have been 'underage' when those things happened....just after hitting puberty. Journey was EVERYWHERE back then....good times, man....

Oh yeah, good times. I turned 16 the day Stone in Love was released to radio. Had just passed my drivers test and had my license. Took the car out for my first trip solo and was feeling freedom. Then, that amazing riff comes out of the speakers and it was the first time hearing it! Tellin ya, it was cool.

I know we make fun of today's music all the time here...but do you think the days of getting that license, popping in that cassette(CD), and cruising to some kick-ass song are over? Do kids still do that? I can't imagine it is the same....

How could it possibly be different? People don't change, just because radio doesn't exist anymore.

People don't change but opportunities do. Imagine tearing it up now and getting hit with a camera ticket for 500 bucks. We never had shit like that to worry about. If you got pulled over the cop more or less gave you a warning for first offense; Now they got monsters on steroids with taser guns who don't want to hear it.

[brywool]

How could it possibly be different? People don't change, just because radio doesn't exist anymore.

Songs for and from youth blast everywhere STILL. Songs from aging rock bands do not. It's like when Rock and Roll came out in the 50s- kids listened to it, older folks didn't get it and didn't hear their jazz as much. It slowly dwindled away, just like rock has done. Doesn't mean it's gone, just means that it's not getting the exposure it once did, so it's fading. It'd be nice if Classic Rock radio played new stuff by Classic Rock Artists, but it's too formatted for that. In Seattle, the classic rock stations are so bloody boring. I never listen to them. And newer music stations... well, a lot of the newer music blows. Some of it's good, a lot of it is not.

[S2M]

How could it possibly be different? People don't change, just because radio doesn't exist anymore.

Songs for and from youth blast everywhere STILL. Songs from aging rock bands do not. It's like when Rock and Roll came out in the 50s- kids listened to it, older folks didn't get it and didn't hear their jazz as much. It slowly dwindled away, just like rock has done. Doesn't mean it's gone, just means that it's not getting the exposure it once did, so it's fading. It'd be nice if Classic Rock radio played new stuff by Classic Rock Artists, but it's too formatted for that. In Seattle, the classic rock stations are so bloody boring. I never listen to them. And newer music stations... well, a lot of the newer music blows. Some of it's good, a lot of it is not.

Question....what was SEATTLE like in the early 90s? If it sucked way out here in RI, what was it actually like in the birthplace? Yikes.

[Majestic]

I think Tantra is getting a bit of a push from the ballad crowd who are looking for absolutely anything resembling a slower paced sugar covered tune.

There are much better songs on this album. She's A Mystery plays the same two styles in one game but starts at a quicker tempo before going nitro.

Did you actually hear the whole song yet? It's starts soft and vulnerable for sure, but turns in to a driving melodic anthem. It's no open arms for sure, and has more balls than faithfully, so I don't know where you're coming from. Also, the whole band gives an amazing performance on this track. It's not the most rocking on the album, but it is the most artistic, in my opinion.

[Glenn]

I was 12 when Escape dropped, and 14 when Frontiers hit me like a fucking George Forman body shot....It was awesome to have been 'underage' when those things happened....just after hitting puberty. Journey was EVERYWHERE back then....good times, man....

That's about what it was like for me...minus a year.

[S2M]

I think Tantra is getting a bit of a push from the ballad crowd who are looking for absolutely anything resembling a slower paced sugar covered tune.

There are much better songs on this album. She's A Mystery plays the same two styles in one game but starts at a quicker tempo before going nitro.

Did you actually hear the whole song yet? It's starts soft and vulnerable for sure, but turns in to a driving melodic anthem. It's no open arms for sure, and has more balls than faithfully, so I don't know where you're coming from. Also, the whole band gives an amazing performance on this track. It's not the most rocking on the album, but it is the most artistic, in my opinion.

Fucking epic, classic song, dude....spot on! Just like 'Like a Sunshower' was on Revelation.

EDIT: I hope you were refering to She's a Mystery, but somehow I think you were refering to Tantra(The Rip Van Winkle Song)....

[Don]

U2 is one of the rare older groups that still get played on the new rock stations but it's never any of their new tunes, just their greatest hits and all that. Their catalog seems to fit in well with what a lot of the younger fans like to hear I guess.

[Gideon]

'She's a Mystery', I think, is intended to evoke memories of 'Patiently'.

[Majestic]

I think Tantra is getting a bit of a push from the ballad crowd who are looking for absolutely anything resembling a slower paced sugar covered tune.

There are much better songs on this album. She's A Mystery plays the same two styles in one game but starts at a quicker tempo before going nitro.

Did you actually hear the whole song yet? It's starts soft and vulnerable for sure, but turns in to a driving melodic anthem. It's no open arms for sure, and has more balls than faithfully, so I don't know where you're coming from. Also, the whole band gives an amazing performance on this track. It's not the most rocking on the album, but it is the most artistic, in my opinion.

Fucking epic, classic song, dude....spot on! Just like 'Like a Sunshower' was on Revelation.

EDIT: I hope you were refering to She's a Mystery, but somehow I think you were refering to Tantra(The Rip Van Winkle Song)....

No, was referring to Tantra. She's a mystery is great too, but not as great. The whole album is pretty solid. Only Human Feel gives me the urge to pass, but I'm still listening and giving it a chance. I agree about Sunshower, that song is fantastic. Still love to hear that one!

[Gideon]

Only Human Feel gives me the urge to pass, but I'm still listening and giving it a chance.

I think Human Feel's problem is that it drags on entirely too long. The radio edit is surprisingly better, IMHO.

[Don]

I think Tantra is getting a bit of a push from the ballad crowd who are looking for absolutely anything resembling a slower paced sugar covered tune.

There are much better songs on this album. She's A Mystery plays the same two styles in one game but starts at a quicker tempo before going nitro.

Did you actually hear the whole song yet? It's starts soft and vulnerable for sure, but turns in to a driving melodic anthem. It's no open arms for sure, and has more balls than faithfully, so I don't know where you're coming from. Also, the whole band gives an amazing performance on this track. It's not the most rocking on the album, but it is the most artistic, in my opinion.

I've heard it more times then I care to. I tried to subscribe to the theory that multiple listens would allow the song to 'grow' on me, but the only thing that grew was my impatience to hurry up and get to the next track. I didn't ask the band for a masterpiece, just songs that rock a bit more. You can have Tantra, it's yours. There is plenty of 'good' stuff on the disc that will fit the bill without that one track being there.

[brywool]

Question....what was SEATTLE like in the early 90s? If it sucked way out here in RI, what was it actually like in the birthplace? Yikes.

A sea of plaid, everywhere. Hated the whole grunge thing and only recently have I gained any kind of appreciation for Nirvana and Pearl Jam. Again, it was for the young and I was not in the demographic, or maybe I was and was just too into my favorite bands, which I still support. I had also gotten out of music a few years prior to raise my daughter, so I was definitely pre-occupied, thank God, because the music was just whiny, depressing garbage.
The best Nirvana moment for me was when they were on the Mtv Music Awards and Christ Novascelik threw his bass up in the air and it about knocked him cold. I remember laughing at that for days.... I still think it's funny.

[Majestic]

Question....what was SEATTLE like in the early 90s? If it sucked way out here in RI, what was it actually like in the birthplace? Yikes.

A sea of plaid, everywhere. Hated the whole grunge thing and only recently have I gained any kind of appreciation for Nirvana and Pearl Jam. Again, it was for the young and I was not in the demographic, or maybe I was and was just too into my favorite bands, which I still support. I had also gotten out of music a few years prior to raise my daughter, so I was definitely pre-occupied, thank God, because the music was just whiny, depressing garbage.
The best Nirvana moment for me was when they were on the Mtv Music Awards and Christ Novascelik threw his bass up in the air and it about knocked him cold. I remember laughing at that for days.... I still think it's funny.

What parts are you from? I lived a lot of years in the Puget Sound area, and all through the dirty hair and plaid years. I'm proud to say I never participated in that scene though.

[brywool]

Question....what was SEATTLE like in the early 90s? If it sucked way out here in RI, what was it actually like in the birthplace? Yikes.

A sea of plaid, everywhere. Hated the whole grunge thing and only recently have I gained any kind of appreciation for Nirvana and Pearl Jam. Again, it was for the young and I was not in the demographic, or maybe I was and was just too into my favorite bands, which I still support. I had also gotten out of music a few years prior to raise my daughter, so I was definitely pre-occupied, thank God, because the music was just whiny, depressing garbage.
The best Nirvana moment for me was when they were on the Mtv Music Awards and Christ Novascelik threw his bass up in the air and it about knocked him cold. I remember laughing at that for days.... I still think it's funny.

What parts are you from? I lived a lot of years in the Puget Sound area, and all through the dirty hair and plaid years. I'm proud to say I never participated in that scene though.

North of Seattle

[brywool]

U2 is one of the rare older groups that still get played on the new rock stations but it's never any of their new tunes, just their greatest hits and all that. Their catalog seems to fit in well with what a lot of the younger fans like to hear I guess.

When Vertigo came out, I heard it everywhere. Great tune. I didn't dig their last album at all though and played the crap out of the one prior (with vertigo).