Official NFL Week 16&17 Thread+Playoffs&Predictions

[Don]

All you fuckers who bash unions want to to rethink your position? I can guarantee you Rick and I won't have decreases in our pay.

I am sorry though Dan. Sucks big time.

Probably right...the company will just lay you off...

A company is in business to make money...NOT employ people...that just a side effect of business.

And if your union goes on strike you are fucked....yeah Unions are SOOOOOOO good for people...

I remember the Super Market strike here in L.A. A lot of people supported the union and started shopping at Trader Joe's and other more expensive places, the problem is the union caved in at the end. When they talked about it doing it again last year, Public support was totally gone and they didn't go through with it.

[WIX]

All you fuckers who bash unions want to to rethink your position? I can guarantee you Rick and I won't have decreases in our pay.

I am sorry though Dan. Sucks big time.

Probably right...the company will just lay you off...

A company is in business to make money...NOT employ people...that just a side effect of business.

And if your union goes on strike you are fucked....yeah Unions are SOOOOOOO good for people...

No shit, look at History. The Soviet Union was a Classic Example!

[YoungJRNY]

Youngfan, I love your passion dude. It's addicting, unlike Gator's which is fucking nauseating. Anyway, I have but one sour grape to pick and then fire at you.

You said the Chargers didn't deserve to be there. They did win their division, and they did beat Indy to get to Pittsburgh. Those are indisputable facts. However, if you want to play the "don't deserve" card, I can say with a straight face right now, Pittsburgh definitely "didn't deserve" it's Super Bowl trophy 3 years ago. That game was so fuckin rigged even Steeler fans on message boards felt bad about it. That was a Jerome Bettis sympathy pay out and nothing more. Seattle was clearly the better team and they got fucked more ways than possible.

I give Stuart NO MORE THAN 5 MINUTES TO COME IN HERE BLAZING.

Naww...you and I have gone over this many a time...you know I am right...you admitted it to my face that if Seattle would have not been so stupid (See YngJrny's post) all the ref fubars in the world wouldn't have made a difference.

I HATE complaining about officiating, but this was beyond stupid. Like I said, even Steeler fans wondered aloud, if this was a gift for that fatass Bettis. There was just too much that happened in that game to suggest it wasn't authentic.

The goal line stand by SEA that they gave PITT 6 on.
The offensive push off in the end zone that nullified a SEA TD(complete joke)
the phantom holding call on a SEA 30 yd pass play, etc

Yeah, the gimmick play by the Steelers..I saw that one coming. Pitt ran it the week before, and they always do when they are at mid field with a favourable down, like 2nd and 5. SEA got burned on that one.

But that game was a complete joke...worse than WWF or Boxing.

Actually they ran that play against the Browns 4 weeks before...they didn't run it against the Broncos. I will give that the state of officiating in the NFL has gone down hill...and I blame instant replay...which should a ref REALLY work to make the right call when if he screws up (most of the time anyways) he will get it overturned on replay? It makes Ref's lazy...

Good call. The one Dean is referring to was the trick play in the Wild Card against Cinci where Ben hit a wide open Cedric Wilson.

[X factor]

I'll say this.....this board would never be confused with a Philosophy message board. The logic is here just stinks. Period.

Look, I don't care what happened the previous 40 minutes of a game. I don't care if Team 'A' committed 34 turnovers, and wasted 4 timeouts, had 8 players hurt, and committed 14 penalties. If they are 'in it' at the end, and a blatant wrong call makes Team 'B' win, than you can't say if a, b, c, d, e, f, and g didn't happen - the last minute 'wrong' call wouldn't have made a difference. That's faulty logic, people. And doesn't fly.

Take a fucking logic course, and get back to me.

Hope this isn't directed towards me. I agree. A play is a play. That no call on Baltimore for the "delay of game" was flatout wrong. No one knows what would have happened the next play had that been called.

A team can play shitty all game and still be tied or close at the game...and a bad call could fuck them over. One cannot then say, "well, had you not fumbled going in during the 2nd quarter, or that pick in the first cost you, not the bad call."

I agree with you dude.

I'll tell you what would've happened- as shitty as Flaco was playing, they'd have never passed on 3rd and 7 (or if they had've it wouldn't have connected) TN would've gotten the ball back, had about 3 minutes and all three time outs, marched down field and won the game!


Either that or Alge Crumpler would've fumbled again on the one! GOD what an infuriating game! The Titans should've won that fucker. But dammit to hell, you just can't fork over the ball three times in the red zone.

[YoungJRNY]

Youngfan, I love your passion dude. It's addicting, unlike Gator's which is fucking nauseating. Anyway, I have but one sour grape to pick and then fire at you.

You said the Chargers didn't deserve to be there. They did win their division, and they did beat Indy to get to Pittsburgh. Those are indisputable facts. However, if you want to play the "don't deserve" card, I can say with a straight face right now, Pittsburgh definitely "didn't deserve" it's Super Bowl trophy 3 years ago. That game was so fuckin rigged even Steeler fans on message boards felt bad about it. That was a Jerome Bettis sympathy pay out and nothing more. Seattle was clearly the better team and they got fucked more ways than possible.

I give Stuart NO MORE THAN 5 MINUTES TO COME IN HERE BLAZING.

Naww...you and I have gone over this many a time...you know I am right...you admitted it to my face that if Seattle would have not been so stupid (See YngJrny's post) all the ref fubars in the world wouldn't have made a difference.

I HATE complaining about officiating, but this was beyond stupid. Like I said, even Steeler fans wondered aloud, if this was a gift for that fatass Bettis. There was just too much that happened in that game to suggest it wasn't authentic.

The goal line stand by SEA that they gave PITT 6 on.
The offensive push off in the end zone that nullified a SEA TD(complete joke)
the phantom holding call on a SEA 30 yd pass play, etc

Yeah, the gimmick play by the Steelers..I saw that one coming. Pitt ran it the week before, and they always do when they are at mid field with a favourable down, like 2nd and 5. SEA got burned on that one.

But that game was a complete joke...worse than WWF or Boxing.

The push off was just that. A pushoff. He clearly extends his arm to seperate himself from Chris Hope to get the perfect position for Hasselback's window. You even see Hope stutter back a few steps when contact occurs. I don't get where people say that, that WASN'T a pushoff. Amazing.

[Saint John]

All you fuckers who bash unions want to to rethink your position? I can guarantee you Rick and I won't have decreases in our pay.

I am sorry though Dan. Sucks big time.

Fuck unions. I completely understand the position my company is in and am happy and grateful to still be employed. Times like this is where unions won't adjust labor contracts and then bitch when the company shuts down. But thanks for your concern, Dean.

[YoungJRNY]

All you fuckers who bash unions want to to rethink your position? I can guarantee you Rick and I won't have decreases in our pay.

I am sorry though Dan. Sucks big time.

Fuck unions. I completely understand the position my company is in and am happy and grateful to still be employed. Times like this is where unions won't adjust labor contracts and then bitch when the company shuts down. But thanks for your concern, Dean.

Shit. Must be Monday.

[NealIsGod]

I'll say this.....this board would never be confused with a Philosophy message board. The logic is here just stinks. Period.

Look, I don't care what happened the previous 40 minutes of a game. I don't care if Team 'A' committed 34 turnovers, and wasted 4 timeouts, had 8 players hurt, and committed 14 penalties. If they are 'in it' at the end, and a blatant wrong call makes Team 'B' win, than you can't say if a, b, c, d, e, f, and g didn't happen - the last minute 'wrong' call wouldn't have made a difference. That's faulty logic, people. And doesn't fly.

Take a fucking logic course, and get back to me.

Hope this isn't directed towards me. I agree. A play is a play. That no call on Baltimore for the "delay of game" was flatout wrong. No one knows what would have happened the next play had that been called.

A team can play shitty all game and still be tied or close at the game...and a bad call could fuck them over. One cannot then say, "well, had you not fumbled going in during the 2nd quarter, or that pick in the first cost you, not the bad call."

I agree with you dude.

The Titans lost that game because they turned the ball over 3 times, the Ravens none. And the Ravens got screwed the last time the Titans played when Suggs was called for roughing the passer on their game-winning drive when he did no such thing. Human error is part of the game.

[bluejeangirl76]

How can you have pay decreased. I have heard of people having it frozen with no chance of a raise over a specific period of time but for it to be lowered, how does that work? Do they tell you they're lowering your pay and if you don't like it you're fired?

This happened to a friend of mine... this was what sucked... she'd been there 10 years, given extraordinary amounts of uncompensated overtime (she was salary) as the manager of her department, etc. Eventually she took a different position, but later they wanted her to retake her position heading up her old department. Due to the fact that she had gone back to school and couldn't give the overtime like she had before, she opted not to take the position.

Later, when they were looking to cut funds because they spent a bunch of money they didn't have, they used that against her... she didn't "step up" when asked and was not a full team player, so they said if she wanted to keep the position she had, fine, but they were cutting her salary by 10k a year. And they did this just after (and they knew this) she has pulled from her 401k for a down payment on a house. I'm not saying that's their responsibility, but she gave them 10 years and a whole lot of dedication and time and she got toally ass-rammed. Additionally, the same company ass-rammed me similarly after 6 years, but I never got a "we're cutting your salary, like it or leave".... I just got the leave part...

[NealIsGod]

Interesting note: Pittsburgh and hosting the AFC Championship Game just doesn't seem to mix. The Steelers have lost the past three times they've hosted the game: in 1997 to Denver, and in 2001 and 2004 to the Patriots. Those three opponents went on to win the Super Bowl.

[Rockindeano]

Baltimore is just so fucking boring. Pittsburgh too. Philadelphia is a mixed bag and Arizona..at least they light up the scoreboard.

At this point, I could give two shits about the SB. I just want the Halftime show. Fuck the football.

[Enigma869]

Baltimore is just so fucking boring. Pittsburgh too.

Tough to argue with that, Dean. This may well be the most two boring teams in the entire NFL, which why I think it will be a great game. Two shit offenses with two great defenses.

[RossValoryRocks]

Baltimore is just so fucking boring. Pittsburgh too.

Tough to argue with that, Dean. This may well be the most two boring teams in the entire NFL, which why I think it will be a great game. Two shit offenses with two great defenses.

Hey now!!! The Steelers offense is a higher class of shit than Baltimore's is!

[S2M]

K....so now we are in the middle of a class war with shit....this oughta be classic. Carry on.......

[S2M]

Baltimore is just so fucking boring. Pittsburgh too.

Tough to argue with that, Dean. This may well be the most two boring teams in the entire NFL, which why I think it will be a great game. Two shit offenses with two great defenses.

Shit offenses, huh? The Steelers have the 4th ranked offense, the Ravens have the 12th ranked offense. Both are ranked higher than the Patriots. Get your facts straight.

True, but have Pitt lose Big Ben for the year. As well as Parker....and see where they rank.

As an aside.....Whoever claimed that Dick LeBeau makes the best halftime adjustments was just plain spouting off and bumping gums.....Belichick makes the best adjustments....period.

[NealIsGod]

The Ravens have an offense that makes plays in the clutch. They have done it all year. I'll take an offense like that paired with an incredible defense any day. They are unFLACCable.

[S2M]

The Ravens have an offense that makes plays in the clutch. They have done it all year. I'll take an offense like that paired with an incredible defense any day. They are unFLACCable.

Ummm...you did not just make a Joe Flaccid reference!

[RossValoryRocks]

Baltimore is just so fucking boring. Pittsburgh too.

Tough to argue with that, Dean. This may well be the most two boring teams in the entire NFL, which why I think it will be a great game. Two shit offenses with two great defenses.

Shit offenses, huh? The Steelers have the 4th ranked offense, the Ravens have the 12th ranked offense. Both are ranked higher than the Patriots. Get your facts straight.

True, but have Pitt lose Big Ben for the year. As well as Parker....and see where they rank.

As an aside.....Whoever claimed that Dick LeBeau makes the best halftime adjustments was just plain spouting off and bumping gums.....Belichick makes the best adjustments....period.

As we could tell when the Steelers lost to the Pats...oh wait...The Steelers blew out the Pats...at home...

[RossValoryRocks]

The Ravens have an offense that makes plays in the clutch. They have done it all year. I'll take an offense like that paired with an incredible defense any day. They are unFLACCable.

But not enough plays to beat the Steelers...either time so far...Sunday may be different...but I doubt it...

[S2M]

Baltimore is just so fucking boring. Pittsburgh too.

Tough to argue with that, Dean. This may well be the most two boring teams in the entire NFL, which why I think it will be a great game. Two shit offenses with two great defenses.

Shit offenses, huh? The Steelers have the 4th ranked offense, the Ravens have the 12th ranked offense. Both are ranked higher than the Patriots. Get your facts straight.

True, but have Pitt lose Big Ben for the year. As well as Parker....and see where they rank.

As an aside.....Whoever claimed that Dick LeBeau makes the best halftime adjustments was just plain spouting off and bumping gums.....Belichick makes the best adjustments....period.

As we could tell when the Steelers lost to the Pats...oh wait...The Steelers blew out the Pats...at home...

And in comes Stu, ever obtuse.....

Why must you always answer with emotion, rather than logic? No Brady = point is moot.

[Don]

Baltimore is just so fucking boring. Pittsburgh too.

Tough to argue with that, Dean. This may well be the most two boring teams in the entire NFL, which why I think it will be a great game. Two shit offenses with two great defenses.

Shit offenses, huh? The Steelers have the 4th ranked offense, the Ravens have the 12th ranked offense. Both are ranked higher than the Patriots. Get your facts straight.

True, but have Pitt lose Big Ben for the year. As well as Parker....and see where they rank.

As an aside.....Whoever claimed that Dick LeBeau makes the best halftime adjustments was just plain spouting off and bumping gums.....Belichick makes the best adjustments....period.

As we could tell when the Steelers lost to the Pats...oh wait...The Steelers blew out the Pats...at home...

And in comes Stu, ever obtuse.....

Why must you always answer with emotion, rather than logic? No Brady = point is moot.

What? What did you call me?!

[S2M]

Baltimore is just so fucking boring. Pittsburgh too.

Tough to argue with that, Dean. This may well be the most two boring teams in the entire NFL, which why I think it will be a great game. Two shit offenses with two great defenses.

Shit offenses, huh? The Steelers have the 4th ranked offense, the Ravens have the 12th ranked offense. Both are ranked higher than the Patriots. Get your facts straight.

True, but have Pitt lose Big Ben for the year. As well as Parker....and see where they rank.

As an aside.....Whoever claimed that Dick LeBeau makes the best halftime adjustments was just plain spouting off and bumping gums.....Belichick makes the best adjustments....period.

As we could tell when the Steelers lost to the Pats...oh wait...The Steelers blew out the Pats...at home...

And in comes Stu, ever obtuse.....

Why must you always answer with emotion, rather than logic? No Brady = point is moot.

What? What did you call me?!

The Hole. 2 weeks.

[Enigma869]

Shit offenses, huh? The Steelers have the 4th ranked offense, the Ravens have the 12th ranked offense. Both are ranked higher than the Patriots. Get your facts straight.

NIG...I don't know if this quote was from you or not. If it was, get your facts straight, dude! The Patriots had the 5th highest ranked offense in the NFL this season, and that was with a backup QB who hadn't taken a snap since high school! Neither Pittsburgh, nor Baltimore ranked in the top 15, so yes...SHIT offenses! Both of them are DREADFUL!

[RossValoryRocks]

Baltimore is just so fucking boring. Pittsburgh too.

Tough to argue with that, Dean. This may well be the most two boring teams in the entire NFL, which why I think it will be a great game. Two shit offenses with two great defenses.

Shit offenses, huh? The Steelers have the 4th ranked offense, the Ravens have the 12th ranked offense. Both are ranked higher than the Patriots. Get your facts straight.

True, but have Pitt lose Big Ben for the year. As well as Parker....and see where they rank.

As an aside.....Whoever claimed that Dick LeBeau makes the best halftime adjustments was just plain spouting off and bumping gums.....Belichick makes the best adjustments....period.

As we could tell when the Steelers lost to the Pats...oh wait...The Steelers blew out the Pats...at home...

And in comes Stu, ever obtuse.....

Why must you always answer with emotion, rather than logic? No Brady = point is moot.

1st Fuck off... I will debate you on any topic and slaughter you...this is just fun...and I am being a hometown boy being proud of my team...which is emotional...just like John is pround of the Pats and NIG is proud of the Ravens...it's all emotion dickhead. Since you don't have a dog in the fight, I presume, you can be nothing but logical.
2nd Cassell has a GREAT season...the fact is the Patriots D...which doesn't depend on Brady last I checked...couldn't stop the Steelers offense and the defense slammed the door, after LeBeau made some halftime adjustments.
3rd Using you own post against you (see your rant on philosophy and logic earlier)...Brady being there doesn't matter...only what ACTUALLY happened does...and the Pats couldn't stop the Steelers in either phase of the game.

The Steelers D was ranked #1 in the league for a reason...and that is the game plan, and adjustments made by Dick LeBeau, carried out by superior atheletes.

The games the Steelers lost this season are all the fault of the Steelers offense, with maybe 1 exception.

[Enigma869]

The games the Steelers lost this season are all the fault of the Steelers offense, with maybe 1 exception.

Exactly dude...That's why I said their offense BLOWS!

[RossValoryRocks]

The games the Steelers lost this season are all the fault of the Steelers offense, with maybe 1 exception.

Exactly dude...That's why I said their offense BLOWS!

And I agreed...except to say they are a better class of shit than Baltimore.

[S2M]

Baltimore is just so fucking boring. Pittsburgh too.

Tough to argue with that, Dean. This may well be the most two boring teams in the entire NFL, which why I think it will be a great game. Two shit offenses with two great defenses.

Shit offenses, huh? The Steelers have the 4th ranked offense, the Ravens have the 12th ranked offense. Both are ranked higher than the Patriots. Get your facts straight.

True, but have Pitt lose Big Ben for the year. As well as Parker....and see where they rank.

As an aside.....Whoever claimed that Dick LeBeau makes the best halftime adjustments was just plain spouting off and bumping gums.....Belichick makes the best adjustments....period.

As we could tell when the Steelers lost to the Pats...oh wait...The Steelers blew out the Pats...at home...

And in comes Stu, ever obtuse.....

Why must you always answer with emotion, rather than logic? No Brady = point is moot.

1st Fuck off... I will debate you on any topic and slaughter you...this is just fun...and I am being a hometown boy being proud of my team...which is emotional...just like John is pround of the Pats and NIG is proud of the Ravens...it's all emotion dickhead. Since you don't have a dog in the fight, I presume, you can be nothing but logical.
2nd Cassell has a GREAT season...the fact is the Patriots D...which doesn't depend on Brady last I checked...couldn't stop the Steelers offense and the defense slammed the door, after LeBeau made some halftime adjustments.
3rd Using you own post against you (see your rant on philosophy and logic earlier)...Brady being there doesn't matter...only what ACTUALLY happened does...and the Pats couldn't stop the Steelers in either phase of the game.
The Steelers D was ranked #1 in the league for a reason...and that is the game plan, and adjustments made by Dick LeBeau, carried out by superior atheletes.

The games the Steelers lost this season are all the fault of the Steelers offense, with maybe 1 exception.

First of all....in logic, the absense of something can prove the assertion just as easily as the existance.

Second - Cassel was great....but not good enough to beat the eventual playoff teams that were the only teams in which the Pats lost. Brady sustains drives that eats clock that limits the amount of time the other team has for offense. Basic math, dude.

Third - You are correct the Pats D isn't what it used to be. But I stand by an earlier assertion that play calling trumps all. Case in point, Buffalo doesn't try and pass on 3rd down - Pats are in playoffs. And that, my friend is play calling that cost a team a win - and another a berth.

Fourth - Just like E.R.A. doesn't tell a pitcher's whole story, neither does ONE stat like #1 Defense. Pitt could only be allowing 234 total yards of offense per game, but their Red zone offense could suck ass. And couple that with their less than stellar offense - they could be winning games 10-7 on average. So one stat does not tell the whole story. That's why wins in baseball is such a shit stat(but one that gets pitchers Cy Youngs all the time). If you give up 8 ruuns a game, and your offense bails you out by scoring 10....you get the wins. But to you, one stat tells all.

[Rockindeano]

1st Fuck off...

Finally, getting some decent debating skills I see. Took you long enough you fuckin dildo.

[NealIsGod]

Here's some shitty offense for you.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OQIWvGSQF34&eurl=http://sports.aol.com/story/_a/bbdp/rookies-harbaugh-flacco-defy-logic/301351

[Rockindeano]

Changing gears here, but keeping this football, I want your takes on this, especially JFB.

I find the NFL playoff system perplexing at best, givin the fact San Diego was 8-8 and played a Indianapolis team thas was games better and also kept a NE team out of the playoffs at 11-5. I get that, but I start to get a little confused with this part of the NFL.

Next year, in the Draft, San Diego, which did get to go to the Playoffs, will draft higher than the Patriots, a non playoff team.

Anyone find this complete bullshit? The NFL and CFB BOTH have issues, of which I would think could be rectified over a case of Molson's and a few blow jobs. What is the deal with these fuckheads?

This system is rewarding a San Diego team that underachieved all year, save the ;ast 4 games, and they were rewarded with a home playoff game and now are going to get to draft much higher than the Patriots. Is it time to scrap divisions altogether, and just do what MLB used to do? National leaughe and American Leaughe? No divisions, or any of that shit. Top 6 teams go to the playoffs, period. or better yet, the top 4, although this year is proving that it's good to be a #6 seed.