Official NFL Week 16&17 Thread+Playoffs&Predictions

[S2M]

Changing gears here, but keeping this football, I want your takes on this, especially JFB.

I find the NFL playoff system perplexing at best, givin the fact San Diego was 8-8 and played a Indianapolis team thas was games better and also kept a NE team out of the playoffs at 11-5. I get that, but I start to get a little confused with this part of the NFL.

Next year, in the Draft, San Diego, which did get to go to the Playoffs, will draft higher than the Patriots, a non playoff team.

Anyone find this complete bullshit? The NFL and CFB BOTH have issues, of which I would think could be rectified over a case of Molson's and a few blow jobs. What is the deal with these fuckheads?

This system is rewarding a San Diego team that underachieved all year, save the ;ast 4 games, and they were rewarded with a home playoff game and now are going to get to draft much higher than the Patriots. Is it time to scrap divisions altogether, and just do what MLB used to do? National leaughe and American Leaughe? No divisions, or any of that shit. Top 6 teams go to the playoffs, period. or better yet, the top 4, although this year is proving that it's good to be a #6 seed.

I agree Deano....even made a thread about it somewhere....HOWEVER. The seeding should be like Basketball, not baseball.

[RossValoryRocks]

1st Fuck off...

Finally, getting some decent debating skills I see. Took you long enough you fuckin dildo.

Piss off cum gulper...I learned it from YOU! You are the bad influence here!

[RossValoryRocks]

Changing gears here, but keeping this football, I want your takes on this, especially JFB.

I find the NFL playoff system perplexing at best, givin the fact San Diego was 8-8 and played a Indianapolis team thas was games better and also kept a NE team out of the playoffs at 11-5. I get that, but I start to get a little confused with this part of the NFL.

Next year, in the Draft, San Diego, which did get to go to the Playoffs, will draft higher than the Patriots, a non playoff team.

Anyone find this complete bullshit? The NFL and CFB BOTH have issues, of which I would think could be rectified over a case of Molson's and a few blow jobs. What is the deal with these fuckheads?

This system is rewarding a San Diego team that underachieved all year, save the ;ast 4 games, and they were rewarded with a home playoff game and now are going to get to draft much higher than the Patriots. Is it time to scrap divisions altogether, and just do what MLB used to do? National leaughe and American Leaughe? No divisions, or any of that shit. Top 6 teams go to the playoffs, period. or better yet, the top 4, although this year is proving that it's good to be a #6 seed.

The teams with the best record should be in. The NFL knew this could be a problem when they went to 4 divisions in each conference. I saw a league memo out there on the net somewhere that show it, I will see if I can find it.

[Rockindeano]

Changing gears here, but keeping this football, I want your takes on this, especially JFB.

I find the NFL playoff system perplexing at best, givin the fact San Diego was 8-8 and played a Indianapolis team thas was games better and also kept a NE team out of the playoffs at 11-5. I get that, but I start to get a little confused with this part of the NFL.

Next year, in the Draft, San Diego, which did get to go to the Playoffs, will draft higher than the Patriots, a non playoff team.

Anyone find this complete bullshit? The NFL and CFB BOTH have issues, of which I would think could be rectified over a case of Molson's and a few blow jobs. What is the deal with these fuckheads?

This system is rewarding a San Diego team that underachieved all year, save the ;ast 4 games, and they were rewarded with a home playoff game and now are going to get to draft much higher than the Patriots. Is it time to scrap divisions altogether, and just do what MLB used to do? National leaughe and American Leaughe? No divisions, or any of that shit. Top 6 teams go to the playoffs, period. or better yet, the top 4, although this year is proving that it's good to be a #6 seed.

I agree Deano....even made a thread about it somewhere....HOWEVER. The seeding should be like Basketball, not baseball.

No, the reseeding I can live with..it's the draft order that is perplexing.

[NealIsGod]

It's fine the way it is.

[Enigma869]

Changing gears here, but keeping this football, I want your takes on this, especially JFB.

I find the NFL playoff system perplexing at best, givin the fact San Diego was 8-8 and played a Indianapolis team thas was games better and also kept a NE team out of the playoffs at 11-5. I get that, but I start to get a little confused with this part of the NFL.

Next year, in the Draft, San Diego, which did get to go to the Playoffs, will draft higher than the Patriots, a non playoff team.

Anyone find this complete bullshit? The NFL and CFB BOTH have issues, of which I would think could be rectified over a case of Molson's and a few blow jobs. What is the deal with these fuckheads?

This system is rewarding a San Diego team that underachieved all year, save the ;ast 4 games, and they were rewarded with a home playoff game and now are going to get to draft much higher than the Patriots. Is it time to scrap divisions altogether, and just do what MLB used to do? National leaughe and American Leaughe? No divisions, or any of that shit. Top 6 teams go to the playoffs, period. or better yet, the top 4, although this year is proving that it's good to be a #6 seed.

At best Dean, the NFL is woefully inconsistent. They allow a team who won their division (San Diego and Arizona) to get home field advantage over teams who had better records, but they completely flip-flop when it comes to the draft. It's always been goofy. The NFL DESPERATELY needs to fix their playoff seeding. I've been saying FOREVER that the top 6 teams from each conference should make the playoffs, regardless of which division they happen to be in. If a team like San Diego wins their division with an 8-8 record, they don't deserve to be in the playoffs, period, end of story. It's sort of like instant replay...the most important thing is to get the damn call right, whether it benefits your team or not.

I don't have a problem with the draft order, because it's based upon record, and that's how it should be. The problem I have is the playoff seeding is not based on record, and the people in the NFL office REALLY need to fix this along with their idiotic overtime rules! It's very difficult for any fans to bitch about their team being kept out of the playoffs if their team had a worse record than all the teams who made it in ahead of them!

[NealIsGod]

Changing gears here, but keeping this football, I want your takes on this, especially JFB.

I find the NFL playoff system perplexing at best, givin the fact San Diego was 8-8 and played a Indianapolis team thas was games better and also kept a NE team out of the playoffs at 11-5. I get that, but I start to get a little confused with this part of the NFL.

Next year, in the Draft, San Diego, which did get to go to the Playoffs, will draft higher than the Patriots, a non playoff team.

Anyone find this complete bullshit? The NFL and CFB BOTH have issues, of which I would think could be rectified over a case of Molson's and a few blow jobs. What is the deal with these fuckheads?

This system is rewarding a San Diego team that underachieved all year, save the ;ast 4 games, and they were rewarded with a home playoff game and now are going to get to draft much higher than the Patriots. Is it time to scrap divisions altogether, and just do what MLB used to do? National leaughe and American Leaughe? No divisions, or any of that shit. Top 6 teams go to the playoffs, period. or better yet, the top 4, although this year is proving that it's good to be a #6 seed.

At best Dean, the NFL is woefully inconsistent. They allow a team who won their division (San Diego and Arizona) to get home field advantage over teams who had better records, but they completely flip-flop when it comes to the draft. It's always been goofy. The NFL DESPERATELY needs to fix their playoff seeding. I've been saying FOREVER that the top 6 teams from each conference should make the playoffs, regardless of which division they happen to be in. If a team like San Diego wins their division with an 8-8 record, they don't deserve to be in the playoffs, period, end of story. It's sort of like instant replay...the most important thing is to get the damn call right, whether it benefits your team or not.

Then why even have divisions? Even if you did base playoff qualifications on records, then you would have people whining that their team played a tougher schedule than a team that made the playoffs, etc. I say leave it alone.

[Since 78]

Interesting note: Pittsburgh and hosting the AFC Championship Game just doesn't seem to mix. The Steelers have lost the past three times they've hosted the game: in 1997 to Denver, and in 2001 and 2004 to the Patriots. Those three opponents went on to win the Super Bowl.

Actually, the last time we hosted under these conditions, we went to the Super Bowl. 1995 against the Cowboys, Damn, I still hate Neil O'Donnell. The number 1 seed lost and we ended up hosting and beating the Colts. So for me this is a good sign.

[Enigma869]

Then why even have divisions? Even if you did base playoff qualifications on records, then you would have people whining that their team played a tougher schedule than a team that made the playoffs, etc. I say leave it alone.

If you're asking me that question, I would be just as content if the NFL had two conferences and seeded everyone according to the record. I don't have a problem with having divisions, because it creates rivalries, which the NFL wants. I do have a problem with 8-8 teams making it to the playoffs. In my opinion, it's a complete embarrassment whether they won the division or not! Winning a dogshit division is nothing to be proud of. It simply means that you sucked just a little less than all the other shit teams in the division.

By the way, what's with the avatar of Lorenzo Neal? I thought you'd at least pick a guy who has been playing for the Ravens longer than 20 minutes!

[Don]

Then why even have divisions? Even if you did base playoff qualifications on records, then you would have people whining that their team played a tougher schedule than a team that made the playoffs, etc. I say leave it alone.

If you're asking me that question, I would be just as content if the NFL had two conferences and seeded everyone according to the record. I don't have a problem with having divisions, because it creates rivalries, which the NFL wants. I do have a problem with 8-8 teams making it to the playoffs. In my opinion, it's a complete embarrassment whether they won the division or not! Winning a dogshit division is nothing to be proud of. It simply means that you sucked just a little less than all the other shit teams in the division.

By the way, what's with the avatar of Lorenzo Neal? I thought you'd at least pick a guy who has been playing for the Ravens longer than 20 minutes!

I thought it was supposed to be Neal Schon.

[YoungJRNY]

Then why even have divisions? Even if you did base playoff qualifications on records, then you would have people whining that their team played a tougher schedule than a team that made the playoffs, etc. I say leave it alone.

If you're asking me that question, I would be just as content if the NFL had two conferences and seeded everyone according to the record. I don't have a problem with having divisions, because it creates rivalries, which the NFL wants. I do have a problem with 8-8 teams making it to the playoffs. In my opinion, it's a complete embarrassment whether they won the division or not! Winning a dogshit division is nothing to be proud of. It simply means that you sucked just a little less than all the other shit teams in the division.

By the way, what's with the avatar of Lorenzo Neal? I thought you'd at least pick a guy who has been playing for the Ravens longer than 20 minutes!

That's why the NFL is the NFL. The league is consistently successful year in and year out for a reason. I don't have a problem with the way the NFL playoffs are set up via Division. It is way less complexed than College's bullshit BCS system that is decided by technology , and it just works. Simple. The debate of an 8-8 team making the playoffs will always be debatable, but when it comes down to it, it makes sense, and it's easy to come by.

You NEVER know how the NFL might play out. In the middle of the season, who would of thought the Chargers would be playing Denver for the West? What about the 3-way tie in the East? It makes for good drama, and the system amounts in pressure to ALL teams within division because that's what it is all about..the rivalry of the division. Have a 9-3 record? Go ahead, sleep, take one week off, there's no way the 6-6 team that's trailing can make a comeback, right? Think again. Win the division FIRST, then worry about the head to head within each record. It's genius.

[Saint John]

The NFL could very easily remedy their playoff problem. Their are 32 teams in the NFL, 16 in each conference. Have each team in the AFC play every other team in the AFC and each team in the NFC play every other team in the NFC. That would be a total of 15 games. Each team in the NFL would also play one random out of conference game. With this format you would have a fair system and as close to legitimate teams in the playoffs as humanly possible.

[Rockindeano]

The NFL could very easily remedy their playoff problem. Their are 32 teams in the NFL, 16 in each conference. Have each team in the AFC play every other team in the AFC and each team in the NFC play every other team in the NFC. That would be a total of 15 games. Each team in the NFL would also play one random out of conference game. With this format you would have a fair system and as close to legitimate teams in the playoffs as humanly possible.

Have you considered suing your brains for non-support?

Dude, who is going to determine who plays who? Think it would be fair to have say, Cincinnati travel to fuckin the NYG or maybe Oakland have to go to Carolina? Those teams are bad enough. Then you have to factor in travel. Seattle, OAK, SF and SD get fucked on travel, being as they are so far out west.

[Saint John]

Have you considered suing your brains for non-support?

Dude, who is going to determine who plays who? Think it would be fair to have say, Cincinnati travel to fuckin the NYG or maybe Oakland have to go to Carolina? Those teams are bad enough. Then you have to factor in travel. Seattle, OAK, SF and SD get fucked on travel, being as they are so far out west.

Only a fucking buffoon would feel sorry for these well paid assholes having to travel. Man, sleeping on a plane is hard. Sorry, but you only have 8 away games. If 3 or 4 of those are a few hours too fucking bad!!! You rotate home and away every other year and you have true conference standings. Fuck, add 2 more teams and you don't even need out of conference games. It would be the way baseball used to be before this gay interleague stuff.

[YoungJRNY]

The NFL could very easily remedy their playoff problem. Their are 32 teams in the NFL, 16 in each conference. Have each team in the AFC play every other team in the AFC and each team in the NFC play every other team in the NFC. That would be a total of 15 games. Each team in the NFL would also play one random out of conference game. With this format you would have a fair system and as close to legitimate teams in the playoffs as humanly possible.

It would cause too much of an uproar. Fine the way it is.

[Rick]

The NFL could very easily remedy their playoff problem. Their are 32 teams in the NFL, 16 in each conference. Have each team in the AFC play every other team in the AFC and each team in the NFC play every other team in the NFC. That would be a total of 15 games. Each team in the NFL would also play one random out of conference game. With this format you would have a fair system and as close to legitimate teams in the playoffs as humanly possible.

It would cause too much of an uproar. Fine the way it is.

I agree. With the flaws it does have, it's still probably the best system. If you go with just two conferences, it would deteriorate the rivalries, like you said.

[Saint John]

Fine the way it is.

Really? New England wins 11 games and they get passed over for 8-8 San Diego. I see a seriously flawed system when some bullshit like that happens.

[Rick]

Fine the way it is.

Really? New England wins 11 games and they get passed over for 8-8 San Diego. I see a seriously flawed system when some bullshit like that happens.

Yeah, it's not perfect. New England came into their own just a game late. I don't know who could have stopped them had they made the playoffs.

[YoungJRNY]

Fine the way it is.

Really? New England wins 11 games and they get passed over for 8-8 San Diego. I see a seriously flawed system when some bullshit like that happens.

Top 4 seeds in each Conference is set up via Division winner. The two Wildcard teams then go head to head at overall record. I don't see what's so bullshit about it. Granted, they finished with 11 wins, but they failed to take care of business within the division. That's the price teams pay.

[Saint John]

Fine the way it is.

Really? New England wins 11 games and they get passed over for 8-8 San Diego. I see a seriously flawed system when some bullshit like that happens.

Top 4 seeds in each Conference is set up via Division winner. The two Wildcard teams then go head to head at overall record. I don't see what's so bullshit about it. Granted, they finished with 11 wins, but they failed to take care of business within the division. That's the price teams pay.

I would, at the very least, be in favor of a division having to have a team over .500. I thought the NFL should have stepped in and informed San Diego that they're simply not going to the playoffs. What fucking sport allows a team that goes .500 in the playoffs? You're just happy that they beat Indianapolis at home (another joke...a .500 team hosting a playoff game ) essentially giving the Steelers another bye week. They had to be pissing themselves at the thought of having to beat them posers to advance to the AFC title game. Fuck, USC would have been a tougher game!!!

[WIX]

Fine the way it is.

Really? New England wins 11 games and they get passed over for 8-8 San Diego. I see a seriously flawed system when some bullshit like that happens.

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[Saint John]

Jesus Christ, WIX. If you don't look like a fucking serial killer no one does!!!

[WIX]

Jesus Christ, WIX. If you don't look like a fucking serial killer no one does!!!

[Rick]

Jesus Christ, WIX. If you don't look like a fucking serial killer no one does!!!

[YoungJRNY]

Fine the way it is.

Really? New England wins 11 games and they get passed over for 8-8 San Diego. I see a seriously flawed system when some bullshit like that happens.

Top 4 seeds in each Conference is set up via Division winner. The two Wildcard teams then go head to head at overall record. I don't see what's so bullshit about it. Granted, they finished with 11 wins, but they failed to take care of business within the division. That's the price teams pay.

I would, at the very least, be in favor of a division having to have a team over .500. I thought the NFL should have stepped in and informed San Diego that they're simply not going to the playoffs. What fucking sport allows a team that goes .500 in the playoffs? You're just happy that they beat Indianapolis at home (another joke...a .500 team hosting a playoff game ) essentially giving the Steelers another bye week. They had to be pissing themselves at the thought of having to beat them posers to advance to the AFC title game. Fuck, USC would have been a tougher game!!!

I would of welcomed Peyton Manning any day of the week when it comes to post-season ball, esp. in Heinz Field. In fact, Indianapolis was who I was hoping for and picked them to beat SD in SD in a rematch in the divisional round. Believe it or not, I believed the Chargers posed a bigger threat than Indy, and I felt that Indy matches up better with Pitt better than San Diego. It took a gift wrapped present from Ben Roethlisberger in the game against the Colts, and you NEVER EVER give Manning a short field. Ever. I believe The Steelers would of beaten up on Indy real bad...but SD took care of that and we took care of San Diego. Fear noone in the playoffs.

How do you explain the 9-7 Cardinals beating one of the hottest teams at the time against Atlanta, or the 9-7 Cardinals going INTO the #2 seed of Carolina and WHOMPING all over them? Is a 9-7 team that bad? Is a 11-5 team really that good? What about a 13-3 team in Tennessee? Where they that good? You know San Diego DID beat a 12-4 Colts team also sitting at 8-8. Even though they might of not deserved it, they got it done in Playoff ball, and that's why they play the game. According to your reasoning with records, only a team with a reasonable record within the playoffs deserves to win. Tell that to Arizona, SD, Philly, or even Baltimore. (You can make the same argument for them since they didn't even win their division! Same with Philly.. both in the Title game.) Playoffs separate the men from the wo-men. We could go on and on.

[YoungJRNY]

Jesus Christ, WIX. If you don't look like a fucking serial killer no one does!!!

You are one fucked up individual. I love it.

[Saint John]

How do you explain the 9-7 Cardinals beating one of the hottest teams at the time against Atlanta, or the 9-7 Cardinals going INTO the #2 seed of Carolina and WHOMPING all over them? Is a 9-7 team that bad? Is a 11-5 team really that good? What about a 13-3 team in Tennessee? Where they that good? You know San Diego DID beat a 12-4 Colts team also sitting at 8-8. Even though they might of not deserved it, they got it done in Playoff ball, and that's why they play the game. According to your reasoning with records, only a team with a reasonable record within the playoffs deserves to win. Tell that to Arizona, SD, Philly, or even Baltimore. (You can make the same argument for them since they didn't even win their division! Same with Philly.. both in the Title game.) Playoffs separate the men from the wo-men. We could go on and on.

There's a huge qualitative difference in the records of San Diego and Arizona. Arizona clinched really early and seemed to coast to the playoffs, accruing some losses along the way perhaps due to indifference. The Chargers were 4-8 at one time and were actually down 11 points to the fucking CHIEFS with under 2 minutes left before scoring, recovering an onside kick and scoring again. They pulled a rabbit out of their asses just to be .500. Arizona seemed to be indifferent after they clinched and have shown themselves to be the team they were before they clinched the division at...mid-season.

[YoungJRNY]

How do you explain the 9-7 Cardinals beating one of the hottest teams at the time against Atlanta, or the 9-7 Cardinals going INTO the #2 seed of Carolina and WHOMPING all over them? Is a 9-7 team that bad? Is a 11-5 team really that good? What about a 13-3 team in Tennessee? Where they that good? You know San Diego DID beat a 12-4 Colts team also sitting at 8-8. Even though they might of not deserved it, they got it done in Playoff ball, and that's why they play the game. According to your reasoning with records, only a team with a reasonable record within the playoffs deserves to win. Tell that to Arizona, SD, Philly, or even Baltimore. (You can make the same argument for them since they didn't even win their division! Same with Philly.. both in the Title game.) Playoffs separate the men from the wo-men. We could go on and on.

There's a huge qualitative difference in the records of San Diego and Arizona. Arizona clinched really early and seemed to coast to the playoffs, accruing some losses along the way perhaps due to indifference. The Chargers were 4-8 at one time and were actually down 11 points to the fucking CHIEFS with under 2 minutes left before scoring, recovering an onside kick and scoring again. They pulled a rabbit out of their asses just to be .500. Arizona seemed to be indifferent after they clinched and have shown themselves to be the team they were before they clinched the division at...mid-season.

I see it differently. I saw San Diego not going into the tank, and having that eye to kill as long as they weren't mathematically eliminated. (Teams such as Oakland, Detroit, Cleveland, Cinci, or Buffalo would of gave up if they were in the same position if they were 3 games out with 3 games to go.. SD is a GOOD ORGANIZATION with a pack of players that never quit.)

I saw Arizona lose it's fire and competitive edge after the division was locked up rather than finishing with champion fashion and making a statement. It's a helluva lot harder to find the motivation to dig deep down when your down 3 with 3 to go and have the mindset to go for it regardless if eliminated. Arizona completely tanked it, and packed it in.. and even though they'll be a HUGE threat to Philly, for this reason Philly will pull it out because Philly had the never say die attitude the whole season and that pays dividends to teams that could fall asleep at the wheel.

[Saint John]

How do you explain the 9-7 Cardinals beating one of the hottest teams at the time against Atlanta, or the 9-7 Cardinals going INTO the #2 seed of Carolina and WHOMPING all over them? Is a 9-7 team that bad? Is a 11-5 team really that good? What about a 13-3 team in Tennessee? Where they that good? You know San Diego DID beat a 12-4 Colts team also sitting at 8-8. Even though they might of not deserved it, they got it done in Playoff ball, and that's why they play the game. According to your reasoning with records, only a team with a reasonable record within the playoffs deserves to win. Tell that to Arizona, SD, Philly, or even Baltimore. (You can make the same argument for them since they didn't even win their division! Same with Philly.. both in the Title game.) Playoffs separate the men from the wo-men. We could go on and on.

There's a huge qualitative difference in the records of San Diego and Arizona. Arizona clinched really early and seemed to coast to the playoffs, accruing some losses along the way perhaps due to indifference. The Chargers were 4-8 at one time and were actually down 11 points to the fucking CHIEFS with under 2 minutes left before scoring, recovering an onside kick and scoring again. They pulled a rabbit out of their asses just to be .500. Arizona seemed to be indifferent after they clinched and have shown themselves to be the team they were before they clinched the division at...mid-season.

I see it differently. I saw San Diego not going into the tank, and having that eye to kill as long as they weren't mathematically eliminated. (Teams such as Oakland, Detroit, Cleveland, Cinci, or Buffalo would of gave up if they were in the same position if they were 3 games out with 3 games to go.. SD is a GOOD ORGANIZATION with a pack of players that never quit.)

I saw Arizona lose it's fire and competitive edge after the division was locked up rather than finishing with champion fashion and making a statement. It's a helluva lot harder to find the motivation to dig deep down when your down 3 with 3 to go and have the mindset to go for it regardless if eliminated. Arizona completely tanked it, and packed it in.. and even though they'll be a HUGE threat to Philly, for this reason Philly will pull it out because Philly had the never say die attitude the whole season and that pays dividends to teams that could fall asleep at the wheel.

Yeah, but, Trav, how do you explain the Chargers being down 11 to the Chiefs with under 2 minutes remaining when they entered the game knowing they had to win? And that's the position they put themselves in? Being down 11 and having to rely on recovering an onside kick? That tells me they're simply not a good team.

[mikemarrs]

how do you all feel about the salary cap? stuff like the cap,scheduling,playoff seedings and all that will be revisited after the 2009 season and goodell could very well change some things maybe trying to put his stamp on things being the new commissioner and all he might shake things up a bit.

as far as the salary cap goes i hope like hell they keep it because if they don't the small market teams won't stand a chance because the jerry jones and dan snyders will buy up all the good players and the damn cowboys will end up being the NFL version of the new york yankees.some people might want the cap gone but i'd rather see each team have an equal shot.

the owners are suppose to get together about the cap and if they can't come to some kind of agreement i think 2010 would be the first uncapped year and once that happens the cap would be history for good.