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Postby Rick » Wed Jan 14, 2009 1:05 pm

mikemarrs wrote:how do you all feel about the salary cap? stuff like the cap,scheduling,playoff seedings and all that will be revisited after the 2009 season and goodell could very well change some things maybe trying to put his stamp on things being the new commissioner and all he might shake things up a bit.

as far as the salary cap goes i hope like hell they keep it because if they don't the small market teams won't stand a chance because the jerry jones and dan snyders will buy up all the good players and the damn cowboys will end up being the NFL version of the new york yankees.some people might want the cap gone but i'd rather see each team have an equal shot.

the owners are suppose to get together about the cap and if they can't come to some kind of agreement i think 2010 would be the first uncapped year and once that happens the cap would be history for good.


I like the cap, I wish they'd make it smaller. $10 million sounds good to me. :lol: Might bring down the ticket prices.
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Postby YoungJRNY » Wed Jan 14, 2009 1:05 pm

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YoungJRNY wrote:How do you explain the 9-7 Cardinals beating one of the hottest teams at the time against Atlanta, or the 9-7 Cardinals going INTO the #2 seed of Carolina and WHOMPING all over them? Is a 9-7 team that bad? Is a 11-5 team really that good? What about a 13-3 team in Tennessee? Where they that good? You know San Diego DID beat a 12-4 Colts team also sitting at 8-8. Even though they might of not deserved it, they got it done in Playoff ball, and that's why they play the game. According to your reasoning with records, only a team with a reasonable record within the playoffs deserves to win. Tell that to Arizona, SD, Philly, or even Baltimore. (You can make the same argument for them since they didn't even win their division! Same with Philly.. both in the Title game.) Playoffs separate the men from the wo-men. We could go on and on.
There's a huge qualitative difference in the records of San Diego and Arizona. Arizona clinched really early and seemed to coast to the playoffs, accruing some losses along the way perhaps due to indifference. The Chargers were 4-8 at one time and were actually down 11 points to the fucking CHIEFS with under 2 minutes left before scoring, recovering an onside kick and scoring again. They pulled a rabbit out of their asses just to be .500. Arizona seemed to be indifferent after they clinched and have shown themselves to be the team they were before they clinched the division at...mid-season. :lol:


I see it differently. I saw San Diego not going into the tank, and having that eye to kill as long as they weren't mathematically eliminated. (Teams such as Oakland, Detroit, Cleveland, Cinci, or Buffalo would of gave up if they were in the same position if they were 3 games out with 3 games to go.. SD is a GOOD ORGANIZATION with a pack of players that never quit.)

I saw Arizona lose it's fire and competitive edge after the division was locked up rather than finishing with champion fashion and making a statement. It's a helluva lot harder to find the motivation to dig deep down when your down 3 with 3 to go and have the mindset to go for it regardless if eliminated. Arizona completely tanked it, and packed it in.. and even though they'll be a HUGE threat to Philly, for this reason Philly will pull it out because Philly had the never say die attitude the whole season and that pays dividends to teams that could fall asleep at the wheel.
Yeah, but, Trav, how do you explain the Chargers being down 11 to the Chiefs with under 2 minutes remaining when they entered the game knowing they had to win? And that's the position they put themselves in? Being down 11 and having to rely on recovering an onside kick? That tells me they're simply not a good team.


I agree 100% with that. The thing is.. they DID recover the onside kick. They DID score on must score drives. That's what separates the Chiefs from the Chargers. One team did, and one team didn't. Anything is possible in 60 minutes.. not 49.
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Postby Enigma869 » Wed Jan 14, 2009 1:09 pm

mikemarrs wrote:how do you all feel about the salary cap? stuff like the cap,scheduling,playoff seedings and all that will be revisited after the 2009 season and goodell could very well change some things maybe trying to put his stamp on things being the new commissioner and all he might shake things up a bit.

as far as the salary cap goes i hope like hell they keep it because if they don't the small market teams won't stand a chance because the jerry jones and dan snyders will buy up all the good players and the damn cowboys will end up being the NFL version of the new york yankees.some people might want the cap gone but i'd rather see each team have an equal shot.

the owners are suppose to get together about the cap and if they can't come to some kind of agreement i think 2010 would be the first uncapped year and once that happens the cap would be history for good.


The salary cap will NEVER go away in the NFL. It's a system that works to perfection in the NFL. It works so well that other leagues have attempted to copy it. The big difference in the NFL is that the TV money is ENORMOUS, which is why you'll never see revenue sharing go away. It's GREAT for the game and puts everyone on equal footing.
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Postby Ehwmatt » Wed Jan 14, 2009 1:10 pm

It is definitely nice going into each NFL draft/season not knowing who might be able to surprise us and be good (or bad). Keep the cap system.
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Postby YoungJRNY » Wed Jan 14, 2009 1:21 pm

If the NFL doesn't want to end up like Baseball, they MUST keep the cap. The NFL is the superpower in sports and It would be a huge, crushing let down to see it crushed down to Major League standards.

Isn't the NFL going to a non-salary cap season in 2010?
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Postby Rockindeano » Wed Jan 14, 2009 1:23 pm

All I know is I will get on my knees and suck you all off if the NFC rep is favoured in the Super Bowl.

In fact, I will predict now:

Pitt -7 over ARI
Pitt -4 over PHL

BAL- 5 ovber ARI
BAL -3 over pHL
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Postby Enigma869 » Wed Jan 14, 2009 1:37 pm

Rockindeano wrote:All I know is I will get on my knees and suck you all off if the NFC rep is favoured in the Super Bowl.

In fact, I will predict now:

Pitt -7 over ARI
Pitt -4 over PHL

BAL- 5 ovber ARI
BAL -3 over pHL


Dean...you can stay off your knees, dude! Regardless of which NFC team gets in, there is NO way they will be favored to beat either AFC team in the Super Bowl. I don't think Arizona or Philadelphia have any shot of going toe to toe with either of the two AFC defenses that are in contention for the big game. Then again, I also didn't think the Giants had any shot of beating the Patriots last season, so who knows!
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Postby Rockindeano » Wed Jan 14, 2009 1:54 pm

Yeah, I didn't say I didn't think the NFC could win..in fact I am hoping they do. I HATE both Pittsburgh and Baltimore. Despise both of them Can you see that fuck Leinart holding the clipboard as good ol Kurt Warner prays to the Lord each and every play? LOL, dude, God is off the clock during the Super Bowl. My guess is he has about 7 or 8 hot broads, all decked out in hot lingerie, funneling Heinekins down his throat, each taking turns giving the Holy One hand jobs, blow jobs and lines of coke. You know God parties. You know that fucker has prime no cut Coke available to him at all times. He will be getting ready for Bruce to take the stage. I can see the Lord all decked out in his Rising Gear, chanting for Hungry Heart or Badlands, and threatening Bruce and E Street with torrential rains if he doesn't get his wish.

He isn't going to be accepting any long distance calls from Kurt fucking Warner or his butch assed old lady. Ray Lewis just might have to defend himself this year of murder, because I heard he isn't too fond of Warner. Ray got away with it already, ala OJ, but this year, he just may rip KW's dome off it's perch.
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Postby Ehwmatt » Wed Jan 14, 2009 1:57 pm

Rockindeano wrote:Yeah, I didn't say I didn't think the NFC could win..in fact I am hoping they do. I HATE both Pittsburgh and Baltimore. Despise both of them Can you see that fuck Leinart holding the clipboard as good ol Kurt Warner prays to te Lord each and every play? LOL, dude, God is off the clock during the Super Bowl. My guess is he has about 7 or 8 hot broads, all decked out in hot lingerie, funneling Heinekins down his throat, getting ready for Bruce to take the stage. He isn't going to be accepting any long distance calls from Kurt fucking Warner or his butch assed old lady. Ray Lewis just might have to defend himself this year of murder, because I heard he isn't too fond of Warner. Ray got away with it already, ala OJ, but this year, he just may rip KW's dome off it's perch.


Ya know, I had God pegged as more of an IPA or Stout kinda guy.... but Heines are ok too
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Postby X factor » Wed Jan 14, 2009 2:13 pm

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NealIsGod wrote:Then why even have divisions? Even if you did base playoff qualifications on records, then you would have people whining that their team played a tougher schedule than a team that made the playoffs, etc. I say leave it alone.



If you're asking me that question, I would be just as content if the NFL had two conferences and seeded everyone according to the record. I don't have a problem with having divisions, because it creates rivalries, which the NFL wants. I do have a problem with 8-8 teams making it to the playoffs. In my opinion, it's a complete embarrassment whether they won the division or not! Winning a dogshit division is nothing to be proud of. It simply means that you sucked just a little less than all the other shit teams in the division.

By the way, what's with the avatar of Lorenzo Neal? I thought you'd at least pick a guy who has been playing for the Ravens longer than 20 minutes!


Funny! I didn't even Neal was still playing! I may have to root for the Ravens, as half their squad is made up of the 2000 Titans Super bowl team!
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Postby YoungJRNY » Wed Jan 14, 2009 3:06 pm

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NealIsGod wrote:Then why even have divisions? Even if you did base playoff qualifications on records, then you would have people whining that their team played a tougher schedule than a team that made the playoffs, etc. I say leave it alone.



If you're asking me that question, I would be just as content if the NFL had two conferences and seeded everyone according to the record. I don't have a problem with having divisions, because it creates rivalries, which the NFL wants. I do have a problem with 8-8 teams making it to the playoffs. In my opinion, it's a complete embarrassment whether they won the division or not! Winning a dogshit division is nothing to be proud of. It simply means that you sucked just a little less than all the other shit teams in the division.

By the way, what's with the avatar of Lorenzo Neal? I thought you'd at least pick a guy who has been playing for the Ravens longer than 20 minutes!


Funny! I didn't even Neal was still playing! I may have to root for the Ravens, as half their squad is made up of the 2000 Titans Super bowl team!


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Postby mikemarrs » Wed Jan 14, 2009 3:29 pm

YoungJRNY wrote:If the NFL doesn't want to end up like Baseball, they MUST keep the cap. The NFL is the superpower in sports and It would be a huge, crushing let down to see it crushed down to Major League standards.

Isn't the NFL going to a non-salary cap season in 2010?



wondering that myself.they'll be meeting about this at some point.
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Postby mikemarrs » Wed Jan 14, 2009 3:34 pm

There are three years still to go before the owners could lock out the players, or the players can strike.

But this much is known: The players are in no rush to fill their association's post of executive director, which was left open after the death of Gene Upshaw. The players are now in season, and there will not be time to evaluate candidates to be Upshaw's successor. Richard Berthelsen, who has been the NFLPA's general counsel, has assumed Upshaw's role on an interim basis.

The players association is at a crossroads, and the direction the members will take will have a major impact on the future of the NFL. The last time there was a strike was in 1987: NFL owners used replacement players and were able to break up the NFLPA, with 89 players crossing picket lines over a three-week period. The NFLPA decertified after the strike and sued the NFL; six years later, the players finally got a collective bargaining agreement, which gave players free agency after four years and a percentage of the league revenues, while the owners received a salary cap. The new deal, in conjunction with new television agreements, enriched the players, and it also had one other aspect that ensured labor peace: If either side pulled out, a poison pill would activate. The players would see free agency pushed back to six years, while the owners would lose the salary cap in the final year of the collective bargaining agreement.

Upshaw and the former commissioner of the NFL, Paul Tagliabue, extended that deal numerous times since 1993. Now, though, the owners think that the players are taking too much in revenue for salaries and benefits, and have decided to opt out of the current labor agreement, which now puts the league in an uncertain state.

Before his death, Upshaw warned NFL owners that if they pulled out of the deal that was supposed to have ended in 2011 � and if the 2010 season was played without a salary cap, as was agreed upon if there was no new CBA by that point � the players would never accept a salary cap again.

It is doubtful that Berthelsen and the NFLPA's executive board will change their mandate, which is to keep the system as close to what it is now as is possible. Under Upshaw's leadership, players' salaries have risen to an average of $1.4 million annually. The ever-expanding NFL television deals have more to do with the increase than real collective bargaining, but Upshaw did understand that it was important to keep the players on the field and play the games, which enabled the owners to get more television revenue.

Upshaw was planning to be a part of the next collective bargaining talks, but before his death, two schools of thought were developing among the players: These differences might now solidify and cause dissent in the ranks that has not been seen in two decades.

On one side were the Upshaw loyalists, such as the president of the NFLPA, Tennessee Titans center Kevin Mawae. On the other side were renegades such as Baltimore Ravens kicker Matt Stover, who wanted to see a change in the old guard. Last April, Stover sent out an e-mail to NFLPA members, urging them to dump Upshaw and bring in new blood by March 2009. Stover felt that with the possibility of new bargaining, it was time for the NFLPA's executive board to be prepared for a change in leadership. Stover immediately received support from RetiredPlayers.org. That was before NFL owners announced that they were pulling the plug on the present deal.

Because of the action by the owners, the March 2009 date now takes on an added significance. It is in that time period that the countdown to a non-salary capped season and a six-year free agency period in 2010 begins, as both sides will have roughly one year to work out a new contract. The owners seem to be rolling the dice, hoping they will get their way with the NFLPA and reduce the cost of players. Throughout history, the owners generally got their way, whether it was Ed Garvey or Upshaw leading the association, until the association sued and won in court.

Since Stover's e-mail, the talk of replacing Upshaw has subsided. Upshaw faced mandatory retirement in 2010 when he turned 65, but planned on leading the NFLPA through the talks, so there wasn't a plan to turn the association over to someone else anytime soon.

Just what the players really want will have a great effect on these talks. Upshaw's approach to keeping the players on the field had worked for nearly 21 years, but are today's players and their agents satisfied with it? Will the players and agents look to become more militant as the owners take a hard line? And if they do, will Berthelsen be a candidate to replace Upshaw, or will they go outside the football industry and seek a hard-liner as their new leader? Will retired players exert influence and urge current players and agents to think beyond their paychecks and look decades down the road, when football injuries catch up with them and get them to realize that the NFLPA has to make sure there is money in the till to take care of them? Or will the current paychecks suffice, and will the players care about whatever happens down the line?

There are other considerations. In April, the House Judiciary Committee Chairman, Rep. John Conyers, and Rep. Linda Sanchez told the NFL and the NFLPA to do more to take care of injured players, following a report by the nonpartisan Congressional Research Service. Conyers and Sanchez warned the NFL and the NFLPA that if the two organizations don't do more for players, they intend to hold hearings and possibly look into legislation to address the health concerns of players. Will that issue play into the selection of Upshaw's successor?

There could very well be warring factions within the NFLPA, but that may not surface until next March � long after the Super Bowl and Pro Bowl � when players will finally get a chance to sit down and discuss what they want in their next executive director. The players will continue to make a lot of money, and that's a given. But will they want the status quo of the current executive board, or will they want to go in another direction? That decision may not only affect the association, but also the owners, television networks, marketing partners, and, of course, the fans.
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Postby NealIsGod » Wed Jan 14, 2009 10:52 pm

Rockindeano wrote:All I know is I will get on my knees and suck you all off if the NFC rep is favoured in the Super Bowl.

In fact, I will predict now:

Pitt -7 over ARI
Pitt -4 over PHL

BAL- 5 ovber ARI
BAL -3 over pHL


It it ends up being Ravens-Eagles, what would the over-under be on McNabb being benched? :lol: The last time they played it was like men against boys.
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Postby X factor » Thu Jan 15, 2009 1:52 am

YoungJRNY wrote:
X factor wrote:
Enigma869 wrote:
NealIsGod wrote:Then why even have divisions? Even if you did base playoff qualifications on records, then you would have people whining that their team played a tougher schedule than a team that made the playoffs, etc. I say leave it alone.



If you're asking me that question, I would be just as content if the NFL had two conferences and seeded everyone according to the record. I don't have a problem with having divisions, because it creates rivalries, which the NFL wants. I do have a problem with 8-8 teams making it to the playoffs. In my opinion, it's a complete embarrassment whether they won the division or not! Winning a dogshit division is nothing to be proud of. It simply means that you sucked just a little less than all the other shit teams in the division.

By the way, what's with the avatar of Lorenzo Neal? I thought you'd at least pick a guy who has been playing for the Ravens longer than 20 minutes!


Funny! I didn't even Neal was still playing! I may have to root for the Ravens, as half their squad is made up of the 2000 Titans Super bowl team!


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Postby Rhiannon » Thu Jan 15, 2009 2:14 am

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YoungJRNY wrote:'99.


Whoops! My bad! I drank alot that year...


It's ok, so did he. That was the year he was weened off of sippy cups. :D
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Postby YoungJRNY » Thu Jan 15, 2009 2:58 am

Rhiannon wrote:
X factor wrote:
YoungJRNY wrote:'99.


Whoops! My bad! I drank alot that year...


It's ok, so did he. That was the year he was weened off of sippy cups. :D


.. and you were about on your way to big-girl diaper pull-ups :wink: :wink: :lol:

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Postby WIX » Thu Jan 15, 2009 3:11 am

YoungJRNY wrote:
Rhiannon wrote:
X factor wrote:
YoungJRNY wrote:'99.


Whoops! My bad! I drank alot that year...


It's ok, so did he. That was the year he was weened off of sippy cups. :D


.. and you were about on your way to big-girl diaper pull-ups :wink: :wink: :lol:

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Postby YoungJRNY » Thu Jan 15, 2009 3:17 am

WIX wrote:
YoungJRNY wrote:
Rhiannon wrote:
X factor wrote:
YoungJRNY wrote:'99.


Whoops! My bad! I drank alot that year...


It's ok, so did he. That was the year he was weened off of sippy cups. :D


.. and you were about on your way to big-girl diaper pull-ups :wink: :wink: :lol:

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You know your gonna get towel head if you leave that thing on?


Eh, it happens, got to take one for the team. At least my hair isn't green. That's all I got because your pic is sick and demented as it is.

Translation: It kicks ass. 8)
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Postby Rhiannon » Thu Jan 15, 2009 3:22 am

YoungJRNY wrote:
Rhiannon wrote:It's ok, so did he. That was the year he was weened off of sippy cups. :D


.. and you were about on your way to big-girl diaper pull-ups :wink: :wink: :lol:


Speaking of, that rash gone away yet? Just keep powdering your tushie and it should be fine. :twisted: :lol:
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Postby YoungJRNY » Thu Jan 15, 2009 3:28 am

Rhiannon wrote:
YoungJRNY wrote:
Rhiannon wrote:It's ok, so did he. That was the year he was weened off of sippy cups. :D


.. and you were about on your way to big-girl diaper pull-ups :wink: :wink: :lol:


Speaking of, that rash gone away yet? Just keep powdering your tushie and it should be fine. :twisted: :lol:



awwweehh! And after all this time, I was using vinegar.. and NOW you tell me!

Thanks sweetheart.
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Postby Rhiannon » Thu Jan 15, 2009 3:34 am

YoungJRNY wrote:
Rhiannon wrote:
YoungJRNY wrote:
Rhiannon wrote:It's ok, so did he. That was the year he was weened off of sippy cups. :D


.. and you were about on your way to big-girl diaper pull-ups :wink: :wink: :lol:


Speaking of, that rash gone away yet? Just keep powdering your tushie and it should be fine. :twisted: :lol:



awwweehh! And after all this time, I was using vinegar.. and NOW you tell me!

Thanks sweetheart.
:twisted: :roll: :lol:


Vinegar? You badass.
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Postby WIX » Thu Jan 15, 2009 3:34 am

Rhiannon wrote:
YoungJRNY wrote:
Rhiannon wrote:It's ok, so did he. That was the year he was weened off of sippy cups. :D


.. and you were about on your way to big-girl diaper pull-ups :wink: :wink: :lol:


Speaking of, that rash gone away yet? Just keep powdering your tushie and it should be fine. :twisted: :lol:


Rhi, your flower avatar just doesn't do it for me! I liked the fangs better.

YJ, taking one for the team isn't a bad thing as long as your not passed out :)
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Postby YoungJRNY » Thu Jan 15, 2009 3:45 am

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Rhiannon wrote:
YoungJRNY wrote:
Rhiannon wrote:It's ok, so did he. That was the year he was weened off of sippy cups. :D


.. and you were about on your way to big-girl diaper pull-ups :wink: :wink: :lol:


Speaking of, that rash gone away yet? Just keep powdering your tushie and it should be fine. :twisted: :lol:


Rhi, your flower avatar just doesn't do it for me! I liked the fangs better.

YJ, taking one for the team isn't a bad thing as long as your not passed out :)
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^^:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

Rhi, good answer. I'll be sending you a Terrible Towel courtesy of Travis. :D
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Postby Rhiannon » Thu Jan 15, 2009 4:00 am

YoungJRNY wrote:Rhi, good answer. I'll be sending you a Terrible Towel courtesy of Travis. :D


And I'll put it on my head and take an emo picture of myself and make an av out of it. 8)
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YoungJRNY wrote:Rhi, good answer. I'll be sending you a Terrible Towel courtesy of Travis. :D


And I'll put it on my head and take an emo picture of myself and make an av out of it. 8)


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Postby YoungJRNY » Thu Jan 15, 2009 4:12 am

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YoungJRNY wrote:Rhi, good answer. I'll be sending you a Terrible Towel courtesy of Travis. :D


And I'll put it on my head and take an emo picture of myself and make an av out of it. 8)


I was going for more of "don't fuck with Stiller Nation" type look, but emo sounds cool, and you know damn well I aint no emo :lol:
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Postby Rhiannon » Thu Jan 15, 2009 4:16 am

YoungJRNY wrote:
Rhiannon wrote:
YoungJRNY wrote:Rhi, good answer. I'll be sending you a Terrible Towel courtesy of Travis. :D


And I'll put it on my head and take an emo picture of myself and make an av out of it. 8)


I was going for more of "don't fuck with Stiller Nation" type look, but emo sounds cool, and you know damn well I aint no emo :lol:


Definitely not emo! :lol:
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Postby Moose » Thu Jan 15, 2009 5:56 am

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It it ends up being Ravens-Eagles, what would the over-under be on McNabb being benched? :lol: The last time they played it was like men against boys.


I would have to believe the game would be much closer. Neutral field, and the Eagles are playing much better right now.
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YoungJRNY wrote:Rhi, good answer. I'll be sending you a Terrible Towel courtesy of Travis. :D


And I'll put it on my head and take an emo picture of myself and make an av out of it. 8)


Thanks for dumping the Flower avatar. It was freaking me out! :shock:


YouNg, did you know they make those Steeler Terrible Towels in a sweat shop in Indonesia. Steeler management is being investigated. 8)
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