Finale

[Red13JoePa]

That's awesome. Never heard this lineup dust that one off. One of my all-timers. NIG, you hate it.

[AR]

That's awesome. Never heard this lineup dust that one off.

That night it was Augeri singing. Later on I heard them play it with Deen on vocals at a show at The Borgata in Atlantic City.

(and this is the kind of stuff I'm more interested in talking about too)

[NealIsGod]

That's awesome. Never heard this lineup dust that one off.

That night it was Augeri singing. Later on I heard them play it with Deen on vocals at a show at The Borgata in Atlantic City.

(and this is the kind of stuff I'm more interested in talking about too)

Aren't we all.

Who sounded better singing that tune?

[Eric]

I'd also like to hear Any You Want It, which Augeri didn't sound great on at Saratoga last year...

[NealIsGod]

I'd also like to hear Any You Want It, which Augeri didn't sound great on at Saratoga last year...

Must have been a bad tape.

[AR]

Who sounded better singing that tune?

Well Augeri sounded great but that was in 2001. Deen probably sounded better, but that is much more recent in my mind.

[NealIsGod]

That's awesome. Never heard this lineup dust that one off. One of my all-timers. NIG, you hate it.

I don't hate it, just a little too ROR for my taste.

[Eric]

I'd also like to hear Any You Want It, which Augeri didn't sound great on at Saratoga last year...

Must have been a bad tape.

Yeah, the have some bad tapes so they can pull the con off..

sodarktheconofJRNY

[NealIsGod]

Steve Perry just heard the news. He is shocked:

[Rockindeano]

I defy YOU to prove Perry never used any tricks live. You can't, but you keep saying he didn't.

Trust me, if I knew Perry was cheating, I would get his ass too. I caN PROVE PERRY did not lip synch.. HE RETIRED RATHER THAN FAKED IT.

And if he was singing for Journey today he'd have to.

Probably, but was does this prove? That it's ok for SA to lip?

I am now saying that Perry lip synched the entire Escape tour. Prove me wrong. (and I'm kidding of course, but prove that he didn't anyway)

Nope. the onus is on the accuser. That would be you.

[Rockindeano]

There is "help", but to think Augeri is lip synching an entire 2 hour concert is the most laughable thing I've ever heard in my life.

No, your response is the most laughable thing. However, you're correct. He doesn't lip the entire show. he struggles and half asses LTS.

Yes it is more common to have vocal enhancement than you would think. It is the rule rather than the exception. Especially with hard rock bands.

This isn't about vocal enhancement. This about all out fakery.

[AR]

This about all out fakery.

If you feel that way, you might as well not go to any concerts. Even Yes (one of the greatest technical bands in the world) uses tricks in their live shows. Elvis Presley even had the Jordanaires and technological help live. Doesn't mean he wasn't "The King"

What are your other favorite bands Deano? Name them. Think they are all playing things 100% live?

However, you're correct. He doesn't lip the entire show.

The amount of enhancement isn't very much and no more or less than most any band. Cain's vocals were "enhanced" during the Perry era and still are today to make him sound more like Greg Rolie. Journey were never a completely pure live band then. No hard rock band is. And not just vocally either. You're not exactly telling anyone there isn't any Easter Bunny.

In Boston concerts, Brad Delp actually admits to the help he gets on high notes. Don't see anyone ready to crucify him. In fact, that band sounded like shit live when they tried to do things pure. Hockey arenas and ampitheaters require some technological enhancements to make for a more enjoyable show.

Journey was no different in the Perry era. I'm sure I can line up 3 shitty sounding bootlegs and do the same thing you did with the ones you have. You're assuming too much from that much like you assumed I was some chick from Back Talk. Wrong on both counts.

You told me after my first post today to "go away". My question to you I guess is "Why do you bother to stay?" If you happen to have any Augeri stuff that I don't feel free to send the tapes/DVD's my way. I'll be happy to take them if you feel so wronged.

I just stated my points Deano, you resorted to name calling. I really have no problem with you other than I disagree with your theory. That's a major reason I avoid Journey threads. You don't see half the name calling and bickering on Styx boards between the new band and the DDY fans. And I'm sure Lawrence Gowan's voice is tinkered with live to sound more like DDY's. Didn't mean it wasn't an enjoyable show.

(Sidenote: I saw Dennis De Young & Rik Emmitt a few weeks ago - awesome)

One good thing is I received a few PM's to increase my live Journey collection. But that's right, I'll just be receiving 10 copies of Journey 2001 right?

Anway the European boots should be appearing pretty soon. I know I'll be looking forward to getting some. I will also be enjoying the shows in Camden, NJ and Hershey, PA soon enough in person.

[r@y]

Unbelievable....

How the fuck some people generalise that ALL bands lip synch, enhance their live performance...fucking amaze me...!!!

Yeah, maybe some bands program some stuff, loops, synth, etc...hell, maybe even even some BGV's....but lead vocals..??? Come on, wake up.....

Please say, some fucking bands do it and not ALL bands do it....

Stop generalising....!

Someone here has already proved via music tools that the vocals in both the performances are identical....

What else do you need..???

You people give the perry lovers a hard time...but look at how you guys stand up for a guy who has probably half the talent Perry has...vocally I mean...

I dont give two horses ass about how musicians are personally....it their musicianship that counts...

Just accept SA lip synched...and move on....

Geez...y'know, if any of the Toto guys lip synched lead vocals in a gig that I paid good money to watch, I'd give up on them....






Ray

[Rockindeano]

You just don't get it, arrival rules.

You keep going back to "enhancement." I am talking about 85% -90% of the songs purely on tape. Sure the last 20 seconds of the song need to be live for the interlude into the next song. You are trying to steer away the fact that he simply cannot sing.

On your point about me not knowing other bands are doing this. Um, not to this extent they aren't I guarantee you Tommy Shaw isn't opening his mouth to a tape. I KNOW Bruce Springsteen is 100% live, and there others.

Namecalling is immature, I agree, and I am in fact guilty. However, to be asked to produce evidence over and over, and to finally do it, and to have 2 SINGERS, professional singers validate my claim, it's still not enough for you all. I swear, hiding from this will only make you feel worse when the shit truly does hit the fan, which it will.

Now, on this song. Be Good to Yourself. I have once again Greek v Vegas. They are crafty, but not that crafty. On the Vegas show, there were adlibs throughout, and those are gone from the Greek. However, there is NO doubt these are the same.

Greek :
http://www.yousendit.com/transfer.php?a ... 754C089DFA

Vegas:
http://www.yousendit.com/transfer.php?a ... 7B5F6A3A70

In the Greek show, they turn his mic on at 2:54 in the song..and it's obvious..He sounds like my dog. He embarrasses himself.

And for good measure, here's Toronto too:
http://www.yousendit.com/transfer.php?a ... 32499246E4

Refute this one.

[Liz22562]

Journey in July for me!

[*Laura]

Well…I hate to interrupt, but I have to get technical… and this is my last "entry", so to speak.I really don’t need more proof.
I loaded the Greek and the Montreal tracks on two different audio programs,equalized their volumes and overlapped them. Made them play from the same exact nanosecond where SA emits the first note.The result was a perfect match.Every word,every syllable has the same inflection and the same length,which is impossible to happen in two different shows.Even supposing that SA is using the same modulations everytime he sings Faithfully,it is impossible to be such a mathematical singer and be able to sustain a note identically each and everytime.He is not a robot!So as long as he doesn’t have a MD in his throat then there must be one at the mixer.Or whatever they’re using.
Maybe they don't do this all the time,but it's sad enough that it even happened.

One more thing...It's obvious that ALL the bands out there are playing around with technology because it is so easy to use and so tempting.They all want to sound as best as they can.But as long as an artist walks on stage he is supposed to do his job for real.
A comparison would be when a man realizes that his woman is faking one orgasm out of two... Damn it!

[AR]

has probably half the talent Perry has...vocally I mean...

Love to hear them sing together in 2006. Steve Perry is not the singer from 1983.

Please say, some fucking bands do it and not ALL bands do it....

Stop generalising....!
.

What band do you happen to think doesn't enhance vocals at some point during a live performance? Just curious.

Someone here has already proved via music tools that the vocals in both the performances are identical....

What else do you need..???

He said, she said. Whatever. I can "say" I used pro tools as well. There have also been posts noting the differences in those particular shows, but you're ignoring that. You could pull out Perry era shows and take a certain point of a song and "prove" the same thing.

Just accept SA lip synched...and move on....

No. I will accept that the choruses are occassionally aided.

You're serve.

[Rockindeano]

I'll serve, and it will be a 100mph heater down the line.

Look, you keep diverting to perry. Perry is so far gone, away from music, remember? I NEVER brought up Perry. I never broiught up "enhancement." I brought up fakery(allegedly), and flatout robbery (allegedly).

You haven't dispute anything. I am posting clips. You say you have boots, post them. I would love to hear them.

Until then, we have enough "opinionated belief" so come with a fact or two.

You remind me Of George W Bush..Make it up as you go along and call it reality. Remember, Iraq caused 9/11!

[AR]

Well…I hate to interrupt, but I have to get technical… and this is my last "entry", so to speak.I really don’t need more proof.
I loaded the Greek and the Montreal tracks on two different audio programs,equalized their volumes and overlapped them. Made them play from the same exact nanosecond where SA emits the first note.The result was a perfect match.Every word,every syllable has the same inflection and the same length,which is impossible to happen in two different shows.Even supposing that SA is using the same modulations everytime he sings Faithfully,it is impossible to be such a mathematical singer and be able to sustain a note identically each and everytime.He is not a robot!So as long as he doesn’t have a MD in his throat then there must be one at the mixer.Or whatever they’re using.
Maybe they don't do this all the time,but it's sad enough that it even happened.

One more thing...It's obvious that ALL the bands out there are playing around with technology because it is so easy to use and so tempting.They all want to sound as best as they can.But as long as an artist walks on stage he is supposed to do his job for real.
A comparison would be when a man realizes that his woman is faking one orgasm out of two... Damn it!

Let's go with some of this. For a minute suppose, that there were 2 or 3 shows in the middle of the tour where Augeri was sick or something and they couldn't do Open Arms.

What would be worse? A little help with a song everyone wants to here, or people leaving bithcing that they didn't play it? Or canceling a show all together.

That said, I have attended a ton of Journey shows over the past few years and have heard Augeri have good nights and bad nights. I've never left a show disappointed though.

At most there is a click track. At the least Deen helps aid the choruses. But some people here are acting like he isn't singing a note, when he's probably singing 95% of them.

In the end it's about rock and roll and having a good time. Take the energy you people are putting into analyzing vocal pitch, loading shit onto pro tools and looking at wave patterns and go cure cancer or something!!!!

LOL

In the end I will be at opening night of the tour with a beer in my hand, my wife by my side and much happier than many of you.

And Steve Perry still isn't touring this year......... He's 57 years old, and would need a lot more help than Augeri/Castronovo do to sing those songs. And yes I will freely admit it takes 2 people to get the Steve Perry of 1983 sound right.

[anonymousse]

[quote="Shania"]But as long as an artist walks on stage he is supposed to do his job for real.
A comparison would be when a man realizes that his woman is faking one orgasm out of two... Damn it![/quote]

[Rockindeano]

Let's go with some of this. For a minute suppose, that there were 2 or 3 shows in the middle of the tour where Augeri was sick or something and they couldn't do Open Arms.

I wouldn't mind this at all, except the boots I have are spread out over 3 months. So your argument doesn't hold water.

That said, I have attended a ton of Journey shows over the past few years and have heard Augeri have good nights and bad nights. I've never left a show disappointed though.

I just posted BGTY tracks...They turn off the tape at 2:54 and he goes live and is awful..Is that what you are referring to by bad nights?

At most there is a click track.

I have no problem with that. Who cares about that?

At the least Deen helps aid the choruses. But some people here are acting like he isn't singing a note, when he's probably singing 95% of them

.

You got it backwards. You do not understand. Steve could not sing last tour; at all. He was that bad. He is only singing 10% of the songs cumulatively per night.

In the end it's about rock and roll and having a good time. Take the energy you people are putting into analyzing vocal pitch, loading shit onto pro tools and looking at wave patterns and go cure cancer or something!!!!

Nice diversionary tactic. Nope. I want the truth. And yes, i can handle it, unlike a handful of others here.

LOL

LOL? Wow, if anyone can laugh this off, it sure shows the lack of depth one has in his/her own self conviction.

In the end I will be at opening night of the tour with a beer in my hand, my wife by my side and much happier than many of you.

Great. This "agenda" as you call it, is not aimed at you. I hope you get good and drunk and get your wife in the shitpipe for all I care.

And Steve Perry still isn't touring this year

Again, what's with the Steve Perry comments. You should go back and research posts from me the last 18 months. I hated that guy...blew his ass up everyday. I speak the truth no matter who is at fault.

[AR]

I'll serve, and it will be a 100mph heater down the line.

Unfortunately it was wide.

I don't have time to load sound clips onto my computer and analyze them. I'd rather listen to them and enjoy them.

You haven't dispute anything. I am posting clips. You say you have boots, post them. I would love to hear them.

I do and one of the benefits of this thread is that I have already set up quite a few trades via PM's. If anyone gets anything from me and has the time to analyze and dissect them that is totally ok with me.

Think I'll go home and crank up that Baltimore DVD, kiss my wife, play with my kid and enjoy myself.

Peace to all, even those who disagree with me or have insulted me - someone on the internet they don't even know.

I hope you get good and drunk and get your wife in the shitpipe for all I care.

Ah, keyboard courage is a beautiful thing isn't it.

Nice Deano. Lots of class.

[Abitaman]

For the please bring Steve Perry back crowd, I only wish he WOULD come back so they could drop the songs down to a lower key and the myth would be destroyed. No way he can perform these songs today.

Apparently Augeri can't either. Are you suggesting that it's better to have a singer who has to lip sync than the original artist singing the songs in a lower key? That's just absurd to me. Don't get me wrong though, I don't really want Perry back with Journey. I just want him to sing.

Could not agree more-ERIC

[Rockindeano]

Just as I suspected. You come roaring in here, breathing fire, disputing nothing, and now going home, tail between your legs.

Funny how you can claim he sings 95% of the songs, and that the songs don't sound alike, yet you just said you didn't upload and listen to the songs. Amazing.

[AR]

Just as I suspected. You come roaring in here, breathing fire, disputing nothing, and now going home, tail between your legs.

No you're just boring.

[NealIsGod]

[Rockindeano]

Just as I suspected. You come roaring in here, breathing fire, disputing nothing, and now going home, tail between your legs.

No you're just boring.

Really? I bet if you ask anyone here, that is the last word they will use to describe me.

get the fuck outta here and go die.

[NealIsGod]

get the fuck outta here and go die.

With all due respect, Dean, you have disowned Journey, but you are in a Journey forum telling a huge Journey fan to go away. A bit ridiculous, don't you think?

[Eric]

I'd also like:

Faith in the Heartland
Don't Stop Believing
Voodoo Chile
Arrival - Intro to Vegas DVD
Higher Place
Where were You

[Abitaman]

One more thing...It's obvious that ALL the bands out there are playing around with technology because it is so easy to use and so tempting.They all want to sound as best as they can.But as long as an artist walks on stage he is supposed to do his job for real.!

Have to agree, and it does bug me that any artist does this. But I don't think it is to the degree that some do.-ERIC