Comments, Beliefs, Agony and Apology

[NealIsGod]

Thanks for the support, buddy.

I'm not supporting anyone who is part of the B.S. that is killing this forum. All of you need to take that shit private. This is a music forum, not a drama class.

[Pit]

My spouse and I have been married (much) longer than most. We have more “mileage” than most posters. Our son was raised on Journey. This is a Journey family. Time to pop the Asti. See you on the road.

Cheers to you, your lovely bride, (forget the mileage) and son Mr Cuda. Exactly the JRNY family I speak of.

raise a glass

pit

[Pit]

Thanks for the support, buddy.

I'm not supporting anyone who is part of the B.S. that is killing this forum. All of you need to take that shit private. This is a music forum, not a drama class.

Now thats funny. The support is dwindling a bit fast huh DBoy? You've been in here all day. What gives? Nothing else to do but try to make everyone else join you wallowing in misery?

Send your boots to Sony, or better yet find the unemployed dude who leaked Arrival. Sure they'll help you.

"Yeah, I know. So they use stage monitors instead of ear plug ins. Same thing. Elson is the conductor..plain and simple."

Is that all you got? The band does use the ear monitors, but Kevin don't.
One more time. Kevin Elson does not use the Click start.

You got nothing. Nothing.
pit

[Rockindeano]

Thanks for the support, buddy.

I'm not supporting anyone who is part of the B.S. that is killing this forum. All of you need to take that shit private. This is a music forum, not a drama class.

Now thats funny. The support is dwindling a bit fast huh DBoy? You've been in here all day. What gives? Nothing else to do but try to make everyone else join you wallowing in misery?

Send your boots to Sony, or better yet find the unemployed dude who leaked Arrival. Sure they'll help you.

"Yeah, I know. So they use stage monitors instead of ear plug ins. Same thing. Elson is the conductor..plain and simple."

Is that all you got? The band does use the ear monitors, but Kevin don't.
One more time. Kevin Elson does not use the Click start.

You got nothing. Nothing.
pit

Hi there Craig. Seems you are a masochist. You like making a fool of yourself. NIG was never on my side of the fence, even though he does admit to their use of tape.

The poll recently was 3 -1 in favour of my evidence. You might want to read first. That huge trap of yours is operated with a retarded brain.

I proved everything. You let me decide how to persue this. Instead of me saying "I went to a studio and the guy laughed" like you did, and proved nothing, I on the other hand, presented evidence.

See, at first you flatut debunked my based on Augeris' character, which has been proved to be shit. Then you came back in and accused me of doctoring up the tapes. I told you that one of your buddies gave it to me. 2-0 so far. Then you came with the "girlfriend is a slut card"and that failed miserably. 3-0. Then you went and got rebecca, Rusty and Marci. Failed again. 4-0. Now you are going to the "Elson doesn't have an earpiece card." Make up your mind dude. 5-0. Blowout.

Just leave already.

I still want you to come out and enjoy a one on one asskicking.

[Pit]

Is your GF a slut? I did not know that or about any poll, 'cept maybe that polecat head of yours.

I think maybe your biased opinions kind of pale in the face of few facts.

You'd like nothing better than for an informed mind to leave huh DBoy.
Your worst nightmare, distant or in person.

N O T H I N G .....

Sargeant Schultz

[*Laura]

Is that all you got? The band does use the ear monitors, but Kevin don't.
One more time. Kevin Elson does not use the Click start.

Jonathan Cain is the one using the click track.Also,I am tempted to believe that Augeri's voice tracks are all in Cain's stage computer.He sets them on,while Elson is supervising the whole PA sound system mixing the vocal track with the live instruments.

[Rockindeano]

Actually, I would love to have an informed mind. The only informed mind I have seen so far are the two professional singers on this site who absoultely without a doubt concurred.

Dude, if you think you are right, why must you keep coming back here? It will never come out. Azoff and his millions will shut it up. Don't worry.

I just have one question...

How do you defend the guilty and how do say Augeri has class? He should be ashamed of his actions.

[Rockindeano]

Is that all you got? The band does use the ear monitors, but Kevin don't.
One more time. Kevin Elson does not use the Click start.

Jonathan Cain is the one using the click track.Also,I am tempted to believe that Augeri's voice tracks are all in Cain's stage computer.He sets them on,while Elson is supervising the whole PA sound system mixing the vocal track with the live instruments.

Thats' what I am thinking. Regardless of the exact procedure, Augeri is not singing what people are hearing, simply put.

Cain hits the track of the taped vox, and the band plays to that. Elson meanwhile turns up the lead vocal and on very few occasions, let's Augeri say "hello" or some stupid shit.

Enhancements? Yeah sure.

[EightyRock]

I think it is odd that yet another person under the Journey employ is on a message board threatening people, e-mailing them, slandering Steve Perry (which has nothing to do with any of this) and acting as though he has some credibility as the band photographer or however he is employed. If these are the kinds of people they employ, where are they getting them, prison? No professional in their right mind would resort to this, under any circumstances. It puts the band in a worse light, and the lights are dim enough these days. You need to take a photo of Neal's ass, so you can kiss it more often. Your agenda is showing.

[Pit]

Is that all you got? The band does use the ear monitors, but Kevin don't.
One more time. Kevin Elson does not use the Click start.

Jonathan Cain is the one using the click track.Also,I am tempted to believe that Augeri's voice tracks are all in Cain's stage computer.He sets them on,while Elson is supervising the whole PA sound system mixing the vocal track with the live instruments.

But honey, DBoy has already said he had proof that Jon's Powerbook was not involved one bit. Everyone uses the click track. It insures they start together on a song. In the old days drummers would just count one two three four, and click their sticks together, but in front of 10000's of screaming, adoring fans sometimes it's just not enough. Elson makes sure the the front speakers, don't over ride the side speakers, and insures you have an enjoyablr evening, no matter where you sit. Be it next to a concrete slab or underneath a steel beam.

still nothing.....

[Pit]

I think it is odd that yet another person under the Journey employ is on a message board threatening people, e-mailing them, slandering Steve Perry (which has nothing to do with any of this) and acting as though he has some credibility as the band photographer or however he is employed. If these are the kinds of people they employ, where are they getting them, prison? No professional in their right mind would resort to this, under any circumstances. It puts the band in a worse light, and the lights are dim enough these days. You need to take a photo of Neal's ass, so you can kiss it more often. Your agenda is showing.

I'm self employed dude. Try again to find something even more lame.

still nothing.......

[Pit]

Actually, I would love to have an informed mind. The only informed mind I have seen so far are the two professional singers on this site who absoultely without a doubt concurred.

Dude, if you think you are right, why must you keep coming back here? It will never come out. Azoff and his millions will shut it up. Don't worry.

I just have one question...

How do you defend the guilty and how do say Augeri has class? He should be ashamed of his actions.

There's no guilty to defend. I come back because you enjoy it so much.


nothing.......

pit

[junky]

The band does use the ear monitors, but Kevin don't.
One more time. Kevin Elson does not use the Click start.

pit

Why would Kevin need cans to hear a click track, when he's got monitors in the booth?

And there are other mixing boards. One off stage next to Neal, and Jon has his own little Mackie board.

I have disagreed with Deano on this subject, but there are certainly extra vocal tracks in the choruses. Which have to be cued with a click track.

[L~L~L]

Bit late here but I believe BTers have been

Hi there Craig. Seems you are a masochist. You like making a fool of yourself. NIG was never on my side of the fence, even though he does admit to their use of tape.

The poll recently was 3 -1 in favour of my evidence. You might want to read first. That huge trap of yours is operated with a retarded brain.

I proved everything. You let me decide how to persue this. Instead of me saying "I went to a studio and the guy laughed" like you did, and proved nothing, I on the other hand, presented evidence.

See, at first you flatut debunked my based on Augeris' character, which has been proved to be shit. Then you came back in and accused me of doctoring up the tapes. I told you that one of your buddies gave it to me. 2-0 so far. Then you came with the "girlfriend is a slut card"and that failed miserably. 3-0. Then you went and got rebecca, Rusty and Marci. Failed again. 4-0. Now you are going to the "Elson doesn't have an earpiece card." Make up your mind dude. 5-0. Blowout.

Just leave already.

I still want you to come out and enjoy a one on one asskicking.

[Pit]

The band does use the ear monitors, but Kevin don't.
One more time. Kevin Elson does not use the Click start.

pit

Why would Kevin need cans to hear a click track, when he's got monitors in the booth?

And there are other mixing boards. One off stage next to Neal, and Jon has his own little Mackie board.

I have disagreed with Deano on this subject, but there are certainly extra vocal tracks in the choruses. Which have to be cued with a click track.

You just proved my point 100% If Elson was overlaying tracks or backing he'd have to have a lead to the click track, which he doesn't. The side boards are for stage, and guitar monitors so Neal can hear. He likes to hear everything. Surely you've seen him point to the sky which some say is ego, yet he's telling the stage hand to turn it up.

still nothing.....

[Pit]

Bit late here but I believe BTers have been

[/quote]

BTer's? Where? I've posted less than 500 times on BT in 7 years.


still nothing.........

[Rockindeano]

But honey, DBoy has already said he had proof that Jon's Powerbook was not involved one bit. Everyone uses the click track.

Never said that. I don't know how Elson is doing it, but it's happening. Hey, who cares how OJ stabbed Nicole, he stabbed her.

Elson makes sure the the front speakers, don't over ride the side speakers, and insures you have an enjoyablr evening, no matter where you sit. Be it next to a concrete slab or underneath a steel beam.

Then why does everyone bitch about the sound in almost all reviews?

Starting to think Kevin is overwhelmed, trying to pan out sound, mix sound, and cue the tape.

YOU have nothing Pit. Except a collection of garbage photos.

[Pit]

But honey, DBoy has already said he had proof that Jon's Powerbook was not involved one bit. Everyone uses the click track.

Never said that. I don't know how Elson is doing it, but it's happening. Hey, who cares how OJ stabbed Nicole, he stabbed her.

Elson makes sure the the front speakers, don't over ride the side speakers, and insures you have an enjoyablr evening, no matter where you sit. Be it next to a concrete slab or underneath a steel beam.

Then why does everyone bitch about the sound in almost all reviews?

Starting to think Kevin is overwhelmed, trying to pan out sound, mix sound, and cue the tape.

YOU have nothing Pit. Except a collection of garbage photos.

But you did say it. Read it again; Slowly.

Everyone don't bitch. Just a rare few. what 2 in 15,000? On your favorite board at BT?

nothing......
Pit

[Rockindeano]

Bye Bye. Nice knowing you Mam.

[Pit]

[quote="Rockn'deano"][quote="Pit"]

Never said that. I don't know how Elson is doing it, but it's happening. Hey, who cares how OJ stabbed Nicole, he stabbed her.

[quote]


Oh dear! Stop the presses. You don't know how?

I thought you had proof???????????????
???????????????????????

Thought you had Facts?????????????????
???????????????????????

Give up DBoy. You are way overmatched. I thought my hour here might be fun and challenging. Take the princess for ice cream. I got a shoot a wedding announcement.

nothing.......
nothing........

Except a friggin slam dunk for Journey. Run tell that.

Pit

[*Laura]

But honey, DBoy has already said he had proof that Jon's Powerbook was not involved one bit.

First off,don’t "honey" me.You are so full of venom,it’s coming through the screen.
I said I am tempted to believe that Cain is keeping the tracks in his computer.However,I am sure Elson has a computer too and the voice job could be his task.Anyway,one of them is taking care of that.

Everyone uses the click track. It insures they start together on a song. In the old days drummers would just count one two three four, and click their sticks together, but in front of 10000's of screaming, adoring fans sometimes it's just not enough. Elson makes sure the the front speakers, don't over ride the side speakers, and insures you have an enjoyablr evening, no matter where you sit. Be it next to a concrete slab or underneath a steel beam.

What a poignant explanation. However,would you be so kind and spare us the sappy speeches and come up with something significant?

still nothing.....

I swear that's what I say everytime I read your posts.Still waiting.

[Rockindeano]

Let me clue you in, you dumbfuck....

Who cares how Journey fakes it with Mr Actor.

I have proof, yes ILLEGAL boots. Hey, call the FBI, they can rush over here and arrest me. Oops, the boots are in a safe deposit box.

I have everything. if I didn't, you wouldn't keep coming over and changing your argument.

OWNED

Now get the fuck outta here, loser.

[Pit]

Let me clue you in, you dumbfuck....

Who cares how Journey fakes it with Mr Actor.

I have proof, yes ILLEGAL boots. Hey, call the FBI, they can rush over here and arrest me. Oops, the boots are in a safe deposit box.

I have everything. if I didn't, you wouldn't keep coming over and changing your argument.

OWNED

Now get the fuck outta here, loser.

OH THE AGONY !!! I wondered where the agony came in; now I know.


nothing......
Pit

[*Laura]

OH THE AGONY !!! I wondered where the agony came in; now I know.


nothing......
Pit

Really now,you are making a complete fool out of yourself.You do realize that you are becoming the laughing stock of this board,do you?

[*Laura]

One more thing regarding this whole lipping procedure...
A few years ago,I witnessed the "method" we are discussing here: a concert situation with recorded voice tracks & live instruments.The band’s lead singer had a rebel flu and a nasty laryngitis, but they had a firm contract they had to honor,so they did it “Journey” style (sorry,couldn’t help it).
They went in the studio and took the vocal tracks out from a live CD they had previously released;then they loaded the tracks in the keyboard player’s computer.18 songs,even the 3 tracks for the encore.I watched this closely.The keyboard player had the click track as well as all the others in their ear monitors.They would start off the songs,do some ad-libs,then the keyboardist would start the voice track.The lead singer would be either in the dark so no one sees the first word of the song(that’s the hard part to match,even if he has a click track),or he would hide his mouth behind the mike to "cloak" his vocal intro.After that,everything looked so natural…Funny enough,the backing vox were live,the bass player and the guitarist were singing for real.I saw all this first hand,backstage,plus someone from the tech crew gave me some more technical details.I also went to the mixer.The sound guy had monitors in which he heard the overall sound and made sure the taped voice blended with the live band perfectly.That was his only task.Oh,yeah and to keep the singer’s mike muted during the "singing".
I believe that’s the procedure,no matter if it’s the No-One-Heard-Of-Them band or Journey.
I have to say this...If I wouldn't have known (and seen) the inside story,I would have been fooled... especially if I would have been in the audience.The noise,the energy,the lights and no terms of comparison make everything look perfectly fine.The audience can be fooled easily.

[Pit]

One more thing regarding this whole lipping procedure...
A few years ago,I witnessed the "method" we are discussing here: a concert situation with recorded voice tracks & live instruments.The band’s lead singer had a rebel flu and a nasty laryngitis, but they had a firm contract they had to honor,so they did it “Journey” style (sorry,couldn’t help it).
They went in the studio and took the vocal tracks out from a live CD they had previously released;then they loaded the tracks in the keyboard player’s computer.18 songs,even the 3 tracks for the encore.I watched this closely.The keyboard player had the click track as well as all the others in their ear monitors.They would start off the songs,do some ad-libs,then the keyboardist would start the voice track.The lead singer would be either in the dark so no one sees the first word of the song(that’s the hard part to match,even if he has a click track),or he would hide his mouth behind the mike to "cloak" his vocal intro.After that,everything looked so natural…Funny enough,the backing vox were live,the bass player and the guitarist were singing for real.I saw all this first hand,backstage,plus someone from the tech crew gave me some more technical details.I also went to the mixer.The sound guy had monitors in which he heard the overall sound and made sure the taped voice blended with the live band perfectly.That was his only task.Oh,yeah and to keep the singer’s mike muted during the "singing".
I believe that’s the procedure,no matter if it’s the No-One-Heard-Of-Them band or Journey.
I have to say this...If I wouldn't have known (and seen) the inside story,I would have been fooled... especially if I would have been in the audience.The noise,the energy,the lights and no terms of comparison make everything look perfectly fine.The audience can be fooled easily.

Fooled? Not hardly.

Seems to me such a timely, ‘oh shit this guy just ate us for lunch’ “flashback” should have been posted days ago; At the very least hours ago, maybe even months ago. Funny there was no mention of a name of the “alleged” frivolous band in question. Just an awakening flashback huh Shania?

Eric was right, (and BTW he has as much leeway and posting rights here as anyone else, and makes more sense) it’s a Perry thing pure and simple. Too many are too quick to preach it’s not a Perry thing, and the ignorant logic is radiant; Absolutely friggin radiant.

You guys have no freakin idea what kind of human you are backing here. He couldn’t deal with a band concept, and almost ruined Journey. He still tries, with getting old friends who are now turkey farmers to leak ‘Arrival.’ He releases w’Sony a trumped up version of ‘GH’ in ‘Essentials’ just before the 2001 DVD hits the shelves (and BTW still went #1) Arranged the release of a GH DVD essentially killing the Warfield DVD, and then begs for forgiveness, with the help of JK in getting the Houston DVD OK’d by Neal & Jon in a lame effort to squash the Dallas DVD. He’s out of options now, and so are you. The current tour will break Summer tour attendance marks, and the Dallas DVD will make it to market. It will be one awesome DVD to own spanning 30 years of musical history, and leave no doubt that there was a Journey before SP, and there’s still a thriving JRNY after. It’s incredibly sad that you reach to destroy another human, rebuke another strong tight knit family of wonderful people just to relive a few moments from childhood, or the backseat of that ’78 Camaro.

Someday love will find you; break those chains that bind you. Sad sad sad.

P I T I F U L

Absolutely nothing………….
You’ve got nothing.
Pit

[PROPERRY]

One more thing regarding this whole lipping procedure...
A few years ago,I witnessed the "method" we are discussing here: a concert situation with recorded voice tracks & live instruments.The band’s lead singer had a rebel flu and a nasty laryngitis, but they had a firm contract they had to honor,so they did it “Journey” style (sorry,couldn’t help it).
They went in the studio and took the vocal tracks out from a live CD they had previously released;then they loaded the tracks in the keyboard player’s computer.18 songs,even the 3 tracks for the encore.I watched this closely.The keyboard player had the click track as well as all the others in their ear monitors.They would start off the songs,do some ad-libs,then the keyboardist would start the voice track.The lead singer would be either in the dark so no one sees the first word of the song(that’s the hard part to match,even if he has a click track),or he would hide his mouth behind the mike to "cloak" his vocal intro.After that,everything looked so natural…Funny enough,the backing vox were live,the bass player and the guitarist were singing for real.I saw all this first hand,backstage,plus someone from the tech crew gave me some more technical details.I also went to the mixer.The sound guy had monitors in which he heard the overall sound and made sure the taped voice blended with the live band perfectly.That was his only task.Oh,yeah and to keep the singer’s mike muted during the "singing".
I believe that’s the procedure,no matter if it’s the No-One-Heard-Of-Them band or Journey.
I have to say this...If I wouldn't have known (and seen) the inside story,I would have been fooled... especially if I would have been in the audience.The noise,the energy,the lights and no terms of comparison make everything look perfectly fine.The audience can be fooled easily.

Fooled? Not hardly.

Seems to me such a timely, ‘oh shit this guy just ate us for lunch’ “flashback” should have been posted days ago; At the very least hours ago, maybe even months ago. Funny there was no mention of a name of the “alleged” frivolous band in question. Just an awakening flashback huh Shania?

Eric was right, (and BTW he has as much leeway and posting rights here as anyone else, and makes more sense) it’s a Perry thing pure and simple. Too many are too quick to preach it’s not a Perry thing, and the ignorant logic is radiant; Absolutely friggin radiant.

You guys have no freakin idea what kind of human you are backing here. He couldn’t deal with a band concept, and almost ruined Journey. He still tries, with getting old friends who are now turkey farmers to leak ‘Arrival.’ He releases w’Sony a trumped up version of ‘GH’ in ‘Essentials’ just before the 2001 DVD hits the shelves (and BTW still went #1) Arranged the release of a GH DVD essentially killing the Warfield DVD, and then begs for forgiveness, with the help of JK in getting the Houston DVD OK’d by Neal & Jon in a lame effort to squash the Dallas DVD. He’s out of options now, and so are you. The current tour will break Summer tour attendance marks, and the Dallas DVD will make it to market. It will be one awesome DVD to own spanning 30 years of musical history, and leave no doubt that there was a Journey before SP, and there’s still a thriving JRNY after. It’s incredibly sad that you reach to destroy another human, rebuke another strong tight knit family of wonderful people just to relive a few moments from childhood, or the backseat of that ’78 Camaro.

Someday love will find you; break those chains that bind you. Sad sad sad.

P I T I F U L

Absolutely nothing………….
You’ve got nothing.
Pit

Pit,

If there is "Absolutely Nothing" to the Lip synching issue, then why are you over here so much trying to defend nothing??? IF everything is so great, "no lip synching" going on, then why do you feel the need to keep posting here & defending Augeri????

Lori

[EightyRock]

"You guys have no freakin idea what kind of human you are backing here. He couldn’t deal with a band concept, and almost ruined Journey. He still tries, with getting old friends who are now turkey farmers to leak ‘Arrival.’ He releases w’Sony a trumped up version of ‘GH’ in ‘Essentials’ just before the 2001 DVD hits the shelves (and BTW still went #1) Arranged the release of a GH DVD essentially killing the Warfield DVD, and then begs for forgiveness, with the help of JK in getting the Houston DVD OK’d by Neal & Jon in a lame effort to squash the Dallas DVD."

This is the best you've got? Turn this into a Perry thing in order to take the heat off Journey? Take that to a Perry board if you want to fight about him. This is about Augeri, Neal, Jon, Ross, Deen and all the people who may be assisting them. Seems like you are trying too hard to bury this. You are one of those "fanatics" that thinks they are taking up for the band, but you are really making them look worse with every post. One guy who worked for them got fired for this kind of stuff. Keep this up and you'll be lucky to work for Photomat. Do you think you are convincing people that they are wrong for believing this? Think again.

[PROPERRY]

"You guys have no freakin idea what kind of human you are backing here. He couldn’t deal with a band concept, and almost ruined Journey. He still tries, with getting old friends who are now turkey farmers to leak ‘Arrival.’ He releases w’Sony a trumped up version of ‘GH’ in ‘Essentials’ just before the 2001 DVD hits the shelves (and BTW still went #1) Arranged the release of a GH DVD essentially killing the Warfield DVD, and then begs for forgiveness, with the help of JK in getting the Houston DVD OK’d by Neal & Jon in a lame effort to squash the Dallas DVD."

This is the best you've got? Turn this into a Perry thing in order to take the heat off Journey? Take that to a Perry board if you want to fight about him. This is about Augeri, Neal, Jon, Ross, Deen and all the people who may be assisting them. Seems like you are trying too hard to bury this. You are one of those "fanatics" that thinks they are taking up for the band, but you are really making them look worse with every post. One guy who worked for them got fired for this kind of stuff. Keep this up and you'll be lucky to work for Photomat. Do you think you are convincing people that they are wrong for believing this? Think again.

Yea Pit has to keep bringing Perry into this to TRY to make his WEAK POINT, he CAN'T make a strong case for Augeri , so he TRIES to distract everyone by talking unkindly about Perry, HOPING WE will forget about the lip synching issue with Augeri, but that is NOT going to happen.

Lori

[PROPERRY]

Oh , I forgot to ask you something Pit, are you all ALLOWED to talk about this issue of "lip synching" on BT board, OR is that subject NOT allowed there???

Lori