To the Hard Core Augeri Supporters

[A Fire Inside]

I'm not sure what gest is, can you define?

[Abitaman]

Deano hasn't proved anything other than he will cuss you out and belittle you if you think different than him.-ERIC

Svante, Jeremy....all these guys on the take, as well?
Deano paying them off or something.
get real.
Jeremy is the most passionate Journey fan in the existance.
he's devoted half his life to re-creating the Journey experience on stage for people.
If he says its lipped u better believe him.

Did you read my post above?
I did not say one thing bad about Jeremey. HE has invited me to his shows, and emailed him several times, Have great respect for him, so how do you get different? He did not say it all was.

And how can I Accuse Deano of above. I have trated Deano with respect, unlike he has me or alot of people on this board. Like your scripture qoute below. I have been a Christain over 13 years, and Sunday School teacher, and don't need a qoute below to prove it ( Iam NOT knocking you for yours!), I do not like like the things that are going on this baord right now with the way people treat each other, I think you would agree. Look back at my posts I treat everyone fair (Deano even gave be the nickname Father, which I tolerated) ANd I try to treat people how I want to be treated. IF Jeremey thinks I am being unfair, talking bad of him, or belittled his post, all he has to do is say so, and I will talk to him and apologize to him if he still thinks I belitle his character.-ERIC

[Perry_Rainbows]

I'm not sure what gest is, can you define?

I mispelled a word, is that the best u got?
I may be illiterate, but at least I am not a lip synch-loving flunkie whore!

[Abitaman]

Please answer my question.
Where did Dean say that?
I have talked with him in private.
Augeri is the only one lipping extensively.

He HAS said that none of them but Deen sing nowadays, but I'm not going to sit here for an hour and find it.

I have talked with Dean.
If he said that, it was in gest.
Augeri is the only one lipping massively.
My bootlegs confirm this.

Well get your boot legs out of the crap, clean them up and put them back on-ERIC

[Perry_Rainbows]

And how can I Accuse Deano of above. I have trated Deano with respect, unlike he has me or alot of people on this board. Like your scripture qoute below. I have been a Christain over 13 years, and Sunday School teacher, and don't need a qoute below to prove it ( Iam NOT knocking you for yours!), I do not like like the things that are going on this baord right now with the way people treat each other, I think you would agree. Look back at my posts I treat everyone fair (Deano even gave be the nickname Father, which I tolerated) ANd I try to treat people how I want to be treated. IF Jeremey thinks I am being unfair, talking bad of him, or belittled his post, all he has to do is say so, and I will talk to him and apologize to him if he still thinks I belitle his character.-ERIC

By dismissing Deano's claim, u back handedly slap Jeremy in the face and what he also believes ardently.

[cetera]

I'm not sure what gest is, can you define?

I mispelled a word, is that the best u got?
I may be illiterate, but at least I am not a lip synch-loving flunkie whore!

Well, so far you're illiterate, a fake christian, a Deano-puppet, an intolerent homophobe and a cusser. Anything else to add to that impressive character analysis?

[Red13JoePa]

I'm not sure what gest is, can you define?

I mispelled a word, is that the best u got?
I may be illiterate, but at least I am not a lip synch-loving flunkie whore!

Well, so far you're illiterate, a fake christian, a Deano-puppet, an intolerent homophobe and a cusser. Anything else to add to that impressive character analysis?

I'm guessing "Womens' Libber"'s not going to next on the list. Just a shot in the dark.

[Abitaman]

And how can I Accuse Deano of above. I have trated Deano with respect, unlike he has me or alot of people on this board. Like your scripture qoute below. I have been a Christain over 13 years, and Sunday School teacher, and don't need a qoute below to prove it ( Iam NOT knocking you for yours!), I do not like like the things that are going on this baord right now with the way people treat each other, I think you would agree. Look back at my posts I treat everyone fair (Deano even gave be the nickname Father, which I tolerated) ANd I try to treat people how I want to be treated. IF Jeremey thinks I am being unfair, talking bad of him, or belittled his post, all he has to do is say so, and I will talk to him and apologize to him if he still thinks I belitle his character.-ERIC

By dismissing Deano's claim, u back handedly slap Jeremy in the face and what he also believes ardently.

I don't think so, people ever day disagree about thinks, even religions differ on some things, but as long the blood of Jesus is in it. Again it is for Jeremey to make the call, not you or me. Anyway, it is beach time-ERIC

[JrnySuxBalls]

I have been a Christain over 13 years, and Sunday School teacher

Then do you think Journey should be held accountable for their blatent dishonesty? Or is that
for God to judge and not us?

[Perry_Rainbows]

Well, so far you're illiterate, a fake christian, a Deano-puppet, an intolerent homophobe and a cusser. Anything else to add to that impressive character analysis?

Is Jeremy a Deano-puppet?
What about Svante?
What about the people in the industry that desperately WISH to speak out on this but as of right now can't (as their livelihoods are dependent upon the band's continued existance)?
When the shit hits the out house, you will rue the day you ever called Deano's evidence into question.

[A Fire Inside]

I found it.

http://forums.melodicrock.com/phpBB/vie ... t=#3704626

"Everyone knows that only Deen sings on stage....no one cares about BU vox."

[Red13JoePa]

I found it.

http://forums.melodicrock.com/phpBB/vie ... t=#3704626

"Everyone knows that only Deen sings on stage....no one cares about BU vox."

Hmmmm...intriguing

[Perry_Rainbows]

I found it.

http://forums.melodicrock.com/phpBB/vie ... t=#3704626

"Everyone knows that only Deen sings on stage....no one cares about BU vox."

You didn't find shit.
The issue was that everyone is faking up on stage (TRANSLATION: instruments are faked).
Deano never said that.
As for the topic of back ground vocals, everyone knows Journey has faked those tight harmonies for years.

[A Fire Inside]

The issue was that everyone is faking up on stage (TRANSLATION: instruments are faked).

My God, you are a dumbass:

But on the contrary...according to Deano the entire band EXCEPT Deen is lipping..that's a lot of independent channeling.

Dean was obvious being sarcastic. Where did he say that. I never read it.

[cetera]

Well, so far you're illiterate, a fake christian, a Deano-puppet, an intolerent homophobe and a cusser. Anything else to add to that impressive character analysis?

Is Jeremy a Deano-puppet?
What about Svante?
What about the people in the industry that desperately WISH to speak out on this but as of right now can't (as their livelihoods are dependent upon the band's continued existance)?
When the shit hits the out house, you will rue the day you ever called Deano's evidence into question.

Hmmmm, I'm surprised that as such a vehement christian you didn't challenge me on my assertion that you are a 'fake christian, intolerent homophobe and a cusser'. Surely those are more important to you than the 'deano-puppet' tag.

Shows where your priorities lie I guess....

[Perry_Rainbows]

My God, you are a dumbass

You are getting bogged down in semantics.
The issue was that the entire band is lipping (or faking) including Steve.
The back ground vocals are fake except for Deen. That is not even being contested.

But the band plays live. That's why Pit's little experiment ain't worth spit.
A DVD track and a bootleg track won't line up perfectly because the guys play their instruments LIVE.
Elson then channels in the Augeri lip track out over the speakers when it's time.
The DVD track and the bootleg track would only match up perfectly, if both instruments and lead vocals were lipped using the DVD.
They are not.
Band plays instruments live, lead vocals channeled in independently.

And even then, if Elson were to isolate an instrumental track from the dvd (like they have the lead vox), he could still start them at a rate differentiating from the DVD because he controls then as independent functions. He constrols when Augeri comes in and out.

[Perry_Rainbows]

Well, so far you're illiterate, a fake christian, a Deano-puppet, an intolerent homophobe and a cusser. Anything else to add to that impressive character analysis?

Is Jeremy a Deano-puppet?
What about Svante?
What about the people in the industry that desperately WISH to speak out on this but as of right now can't (as their livelihoods are dependent upon the band's continued existance)?
When the shit hits the out house, you will rue the day you ever called Deano's evidence into question.

Hmmmm, I'm surprised that as such a vehement christian you didn't challenge me on my assertion that you are a 'fake christian, intolerent homophobe and a cusser'. Surely those are more important to you than the 'deano-puppet' tag.

Shows where your priorities lie I guess....

Rather than calling into question my character, why don't u start questioning the character of Steve Augeri.
Y'know, the one shaking his tail feather in ur repressed masturbatory-fantasies.

[A Fire Inside]

My God, you are a dumbass

You are getting bogged down in semantics.
The issue was that the entire band is lipping (or faking) including Steve.
The back ground vocals are fake except for Deen. That is not even being contested.

But the band plays live. That's why Pit's little experiment ain't worth spit.
A DVD track and a bootleg track won't line up perfectly because the guys play their instruments LIVE.
Elson then channels in the Augeri lip track out over the speakers when it's time.
The DVD track and the bootleg track would only match up perfectly, if both instruments and lead vocals were lipped using the DVD.
They are not.
Band plays instruments live, lead vocals channeled in independently.

Uh oh, you're floundering. I just caught you in the wrong. Dean said only Castronovo sings live. You asked where. I found it. Now you want to say you actually meant live INSTRUMENTS.

This wasn't about Pitman.

YOU FAIL

[Perry_Rainbows]

I just caught you in the wrong.

No, u didn't.

Dean said only Castronovo sings live.

Yes, Augeri1 said that Dean claims everyone lips except for Dean the drummer.
I thought "lipped" was being used interchangeably with faking.
Why would the band be used in the context of singing lead, they dont do much in the way of singing.

Now you want to say you actually meant live INSTRUMENTS.

That's precisely what I've always meant. The only person faking it up there is Steve Augeri.
As for the issue of BG chorus vocals, I didn't even argue about it.
Do u have any clue how widespread it is in the industry - it's a moot point.

This wasn't about Pitman.

Sure it was. This entire exchange started when Augeri1 said "...none of you can even challenge what [pit's] brought to the table".
I did precisely that and she said "well, Deano says everyone lips except for Deen".
Thought u were implying that the band fakes their instruments.
Didn't know u meant BG vox.
Look, nobody gives a flip about BG vocals!
Do you know how many bands rely on enhancements for BG vocals?
Wake up to reality, man.

[Abitaman]

I have been a Christain over 13 years, and Sunday School teacher

Then do you think Journey should be held accountable for their blatent dishonesty?Or is that
for God to judge and not us?

Well so much for the beach, get there, and the beaches are open, but you can't get in the water. Still trees, washer, dryers, cars, parts of homes, sunken boasts, and an 18 wheeler still in the water

Then do you think Journey should be held accountable for their blatent dishonesty?Or is that
for God to judge and not us?

When it all comes down to it, God will be the final Judge. If you don't believe that, that is your right. Same right I have to beileve anything I want to. God have us the free will to follow him or not. To believe with our minds and hearts what we want to. I chose not to believe all of the things being said about Journey, by being based on what info we have here. Not saying something aint going on, but not what Deano has said 100% of all shows, or pretty close to it.
As for your first part of your question, Then do you think Journey should be held accountable for their blatent dishonesty? I think anyone should. But have to look at this is this an industry acceptable standard, that started years ago. I think it is. And for the most part can see no wrong in it. See afew posts up about my Aerosmith part. Why haven't they been called into question, or the 100 other big acts doing this. IS it still right? It si the standard "I" think. It would not bother me to see Journey or any other group with the bacnd getting vocal, or instrument help, it is common place. NOW, do I wish it was happening? NO.
Another question, thet I feel we can not answer, is why is this happening? Is Augeri sick? HAve they ALWAYS been doing this ( Boston did back in the late 70's )? Are doing this to get over on us or being lazy? Are they following the industry?
So I can not condem them without knowing all the facts. Deano stuff is NOT all the facts.
My whole problem with this has been Deano's lack of presentation on the matter. Someone comes up to without all the facts, and tells me I am to believe this or I'm F*****, or a s**thead, plus a whole slew or other profanities, and names, would you believe, you even want to be seen with them? Plus you know alot more about him than the new comers.
So to answer your second question, I really can't yet. All the facts are not present yet. THE WHOLE STORY is still out there.-ERIC

[NealIsGod]

Rather than calling into question my character, why don't u start questioning the character of Steve Augeri.
Y'know, the one shaking his tail feather in ur repressed masturbatory-fantasies.

Anyone who wishes AIDS on someone is a piece of shit. You are just another piece of garbage Deano can add to his collection of extremists.

[Perry_Rainbows]

Anyone who wishes AIDS on someone is a piece of shit.

And anyone who knowingly suppports fraud is complicit in the criminal act.
Don't preach to me.
You haven't a mora leg to stand on.

[conversationpc]

Anyone who wishes AIDS on someone is a piece of shit. You are just another piece of garbage Deano can add to his collection of extremists.

We may not agree politically but I agree with you on this loser.

[A Fire Inside]

So you're actually equating Journey to the AIDS epidemic?

Sick.

[NealIsGod]

Anyone who wishes AIDS on someone is a piece of shit.

And anyone who knowingly suppports fraud is complicit in the criminal act.

You do realize how ridiculous that statement is, don't you?

I guess the smaller than brain, the easier it is to wash.

[Perry_Rainbows]

We may not agree politically but I agree with you on this loser. [:thumbup;]

Whoo-Hoo!
Augeri is still a fraud and Neal and Cain are still a bunch of crooks who belong in shackles.

[Perry_Rainbows]

So you're actually equating Journey to the AIDS epidemic?

Sick.

I mentioned aids, i never equivalized it to the Journey scandal.

[Perry_Rainbows]

You do realize how ridiculous that statement is, don't you?

No actually I dont.
Why dont u tell me.
As far as Im concerned u and all the other denialists on this board are nothing more than Little Eichmanns.

[A Fire Inside]

I mentioned aids, i never equivalized it to the Journey scandal.

Actually, you did by blowing off NIG's comment with "...and anyone who..."

[conversationpc]

Whoo-Hoo!
Augeri is still a fraud and Neal and Cain are still a bunch of crooks who belong in shackles.

Shackles for possibly lip-synching? Are you kidding me! We've got murderers and child molesters out on the streets because of early release programs due to jail overcrowding and you think they should be in shackles for something this stupid? You really are ignorant if that's the case.