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Postby NealIsGod » Sat Jul 01, 2006 10:12 pm

Abitaman wrote:Cain has some common sense I see.
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Postby JrnySuxBalls » Sat Jul 01, 2006 10:46 pm

Abitaman wrote:
Rockn'deano wrote:
Abitaman wrote:oh yea, and NO WAY FOR JSS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Why? Cause he can actually sing? Oh I see, he swears too much. Moron


Swearing is some of it. Yes he can sing, soul sirkus was a decent cd.

I'd deal with the swearing if JRNY could have made a record as good as World Play.

I remember Cain referring to the band's "songwriting muscle". It seems to have atrophied.
When Ross started in with that ZZ Top voice in concert I walked out, I couldn't take it. :oops:
(Harm's Way was cool tho)...
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Postby Abitaman » Sat Jul 01, 2006 10:58 pm

JDouglee wrote:
Abitaman wrote:
Rockn'deano wrote:
Abitaman wrote:oh yea, and NO WAY FOR JSS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Why? Cause he can actually sing? Oh I see, he swears too much. Moron


Swearing is some of it. Yes he can sing, soul sirkus was a decent cd.

I'd deal with the swearing if JRNY could have made a record as good as World Play.

I remember Cain referring to the band's "songwriting muscle". It seems to have atrophied.
When Ross started in with that ZZ Top voice in concert I walked out, I couldn't take it. :oops:
(Harm's Way was cool tho)...


But World Play was not a Journey sounding cd, even the Journey songs in concert didn't have the J feel to it-ERIC
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Postby JrnySuxBalls » Sat Jul 01, 2006 11:05 pm

Abitaman wrote:
But World Play was not a Journey sounding cd


It was never meant to be a Journey CD. I'm just saying it was good, and it sounds like Neal spent
more time on it than Gen. Actually IMO "Coming Home" is the best Journey ballad I've heard in
years.

I'm not saying JSS would be perfect for recreating 1981, but it sure would be a heck of alot better
than what's happening now. :wink:
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Postby Abitaman » Sat Jul 01, 2006 11:15 pm

JDouglee wrote:
Abitaman wrote:
But World Play was not a Journey sounding cd


It was never meant to be a Journey CD. I'm just saying it was good, and it sounds like Neal spent
more time on it than Gen. Actually IMO "Coming Home" is the best Journey ballad I've heard in
years.

I'm not saying JSS would be perfect for recreating 1981, but it sure would be a heck of alot better
than what's happening now. :wink:


Will not get any argument from me about Coming Home being one of the best ballads in years-ERIC
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Postby NoMoreTails » Mon Jul 03, 2006 12:51 am

whocares wrote:
NoMoreTails wrote:I'm with you, Augeri or retire...

and as for Hugo being original, whoever said that, that had to be a joke, could he try any harder to be Perry? Even his orginal stuff sounds like the vocals were ripped off Perry, the music sounds like ripped off Journey licks at times.


To be fair, Perry ripped off Jackie Wilson and Sam Cooke quite a bit in his inflictions. They sang the way Perry did, before Perry did..


I am well aware of Perry's vocal similarity to Cooke, and am sure Perry spent his early years training his voice to sound like his hero, but Hugo was not only heavily influenced by Perry, he became a Perry impersonator--not only with the tribute band but on his solo stuff as well.
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Postby yak » Mon Jul 03, 2006 3:09 pm

ohsherrie wrote:No, it's time for Journey to retire. Hugo's doing more to honor the legacy of Journey with Evolution than Neal is with his band now.



My how times have spinned. You have immense disdain for Hugo...as well as Jeremy...called them both impersonators. But of course, now you have a chance to discredit Journey so you jump on the Hugo bandwagon. :roll:


"THESE PERRYHEADS?" We're not a unibrain you know. Rolling Eyes You may have heard some Perry fan say he sounds like Perry, but not me.


Nah...you just got off on calling him Augie-Doggie. It was a favorite name coined by the private board unbrains, also known as the P-heads.
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Postby The Fly » Mon Jul 03, 2006 4:28 pm

JDouglee wrote:
Abitaman wrote:
But World Play was not a Journey sounding cd


It was never meant to be a Journey CD. I'm just saying it was good, and it sounds like Neal spent
more time on it than Gen. Actually IMO "Coming Home" is the best Journey ballad I've heard in
years.

I'm not saying JSS would be perfect for recreating 1981, but it sure would be a heck of alot better
than what's happening now. :wink:


While I think JSS is a good singer I don't think he sounds anything like "Journey" and I think it would be a HUGE mistake. I really hope they don't go with him if the make a change. Talk about a "Departure". :lol:
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Postby Vladan » Mon Jul 03, 2006 9:10 pm

In my opinion i'd rather listen to Robert Fleishman over Hugo, and thats crazy talk. Hugo, sounds too falsetto, thin, not much depth, range or power... just doesn't work for me.
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Postby EightyRock » Mon Jul 03, 2006 10:09 pm

I don't care who Neal hires, as long as he hires someone before the next SHOW. These crappy reviews and the shape Augeri's voice is in now is damaging the band. Augeri is ruining his voice if he sings and ruining any crediblilty he ever had if he uses tapes and doesn't sing. There is only one choice, leave. I don't think he was ever right for the band. They needed a road warrior. A veteran. Somebody that has some weight to their name and credibility to back it up. Like Paul Rodgers with Queen. You can't replace Freddy, but Paul at least has the credibilty as a veteran in the business and can hold his own with musicians of that calibur. Augeri was never in that league. I don't think they need somebody else to try to sound like Perry. That's a waste of time. They will never measure up, especially when they insist on playing greatest hits gigs. Why not get somebody else with a name, a fan base of their own and start writing some decent music for a change. And for God's sake...PLAY IT, even if you play to 500 people, at least you have a real singer, a better writing partner and still can keep some credibility in the business.
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Postby jaxmanjoe » Mon Jul 03, 2006 10:44 pm

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ohsherrie wrote:He's never looked or sounded like Perry. When journalists say that it just says to me that they don't know enough about Journey to be making a comparison.


What I really think is funny is when these Perryheads say that Augeri sounds just like Perry and, in the same breath, say that his voice is nowhere near Perry's. You heard that all over the place when Augeri first joined the band.


This isn't really a paradox. If you listen to Perry sing Open Arms and then listen to Augeri sing the same song, Augeri does have the same vocal tone, but he lacks Perry's emotional flair. You can have a hundred people sign the exact same notes but each will sound different. Singing something structurally correct in no way means the emotion is captured. Just like playing a classical piano piece, the best pieces are ones where a mood or ambiance is added on top of the written notes.

You don't have to agree with 'Perryheads', as you label them, but don't discount their argument as implausible. I think the Arrival album was fantastic but I feel strongly that it would have been better with Perry singing the songs. Perry is really in a class all by himself. Augeri is good, but it is almost impossible to sound exactly like someone else. Like the Survivor song proclaims, "When there's magic in the music, it's the singer not the song." There was magic when Perry sang those songs. A magic that will never be reproduced.
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Postby Abitaman » Mon Jul 03, 2006 11:52 pm

EightyRock wrote:I don't care who Neal hires, as long as he hires someone before the next SHOW. These crappy reviews and the shape Augeri's voice is in now is damaging the band. Augeri is ruining his voice if he sings and ruining any crediblilty he ever had if he uses tapes and doesn't sing. There is only one choice, leave. I don't think he was ever right for the band. They needed a road warrior. A veteran. Somebody that has some weight to their name and credibility to back it up. Like Paul Rodgers with Queen. You can't replace Freddy, but Paul at least has the credibilty as a veteran in the business and can hold his own with musicians of that calibur. Augeri was never in that league. I don't think they need somebody else to try to sound like Perry. That's a waste of time. They will never measure up, especially when they insist on playing greatest hits gigs. Why not get somebody else with a name, a fan base of their own and start writing some decent music for a change. And for God's sake...PLAY IT, even if you play to 500 people, at least you have a real singer, a better writing partner and still can keep some credibility in the business.


Then Perry should have quit on ROR, and never sung on FTLOSM tour.-ERIC
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Postby SF-Dano » Tue Jul 04, 2006 2:49 am

Now I know he wouldn't project the classic Journey sound, but I think he could do an admirable job with the catalog. I'm thinking Eric Martin. A SF Bay Area guy, who I'm sure Neal must have crossed paths with a few times. He is a veteran rocker, I have always dug his voice. I don't think he is doing much in the business at this time (could be wrong?). I think he would be a good fit, and a chance for Journey to take there music in a little different direction, but his music is somewhat similar, so it wouldn't be a huge change.

Any thoughts or opinions on Eric Martin?
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Postby Abitaman » Tue Jul 04, 2006 2:59 am

I think Augeri :D
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Postby whocares » Tue Jul 04, 2006 3:34 am

SF-DANO wrote:Now I know he wouldn't project the classic Journey sound, but I think he could do an admirable job with the catalog. I'm thinking Eric Martin. A SF Bay Area guy, who I'm sure Neal must have crossed paths with a few times. He is a veteran rocker, I have always dug his voice. I don't think he is doing much in the business at this time (could be wrong?). I think he would be a good fit, and a chance for Journey to take there music in a little different direction, but his music is somewhat similar, so it wouldn't be a huge change.

Any thoughts or opinions on Eric Martin?


Eric is too close to the band, I don't think he'd do it only for his own good. It would ruin it all for himself I think. That's just based on how close he always was to the band form the early 80's on. Great singer and songwriter, but not a good fit.

Nomoretails, I have no problem with Hugo sounding like who he was influenced by. I do have a problem with Augeri trying to sound too much liek Perry when he sings the songs in concert, down to every way they were pronounced by Perry. They weren't written the way they were sung, so bring your own "emotion" as is the word of the day, to the song. Make it your own to an extent.
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Postby SF-Dano » Tue Jul 04, 2006 3:55 am

Eric is too close to the band, I don't think he'd do it only for his own good. It would ruin it all for himself I think. That's just based on how close he always was to the band form the early 80's on. Great singer and songwriter, but not a good fit.



I am not quite sure the point your trying to make here. He would not be a good fit and ruin it because he is to close to the band? Please explain why. Not necessarily disagreeing with you, just not fully understanding your statement.
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Postby jrnyman28 » Tue Jul 04, 2006 6:07 am

whocares wrote:Nomoretails, I have no problem with Hugo sounding like who he was influenced by. I do have a problem with Augeri trying to sound too much liek Perry when he sings the songs in concert, down to every way they were pronounced by Perry. They weren't written the way they were sung, so bring your own "emotion" as is the word of the day, to the song. Make it your own to an extent.


Well, Perry and Augeri were both influenced by Sam Cooke. And MOST of Perry's 'peryisms' were actually Sam Cooke-isms...So it stands to reason that those charecteristics would come naturally to Steve as well. However, I do think that Steve was trying too hard to ensure the similarities in the beginning. For me, it was the Under The Radar Tour where Steve started to find his own "Journey" voice.
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Postby The Fly » Thu Jul 06, 2006 12:49 am

SF-DANO wrote:Now I know he wouldn't project the classic Journey sound, but I think he could do an admirable job with the catalog. I'm thinking Eric Martin. A SF Bay Area guy, who I'm sure Neal must have crossed paths with a few times. He is a veteran rocker, I have always dug his voice. I don't think he is doing much in the business at this time (could be wrong?). I think he would be a good fit, and a chance for Journey to take there music in a little different direction, but his music is somewhat similar, so it wouldn't be a huge change.

Any thoughts or opinions on Eric Martin?


I have always loved Eric's voice and his work with Mr Big. I think he would be a much better fit than JSS IMHO. But if Augeri isn't the one to carry on I still think Chalfant would be the best fit. But I would not object to Martin as I would JSS.
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Postby FormerJrnyFan » Thu Jul 06, 2006 11:00 am

Andrew wrote:Geoff was looked at, Hugo wasn't. He never auditioned. Only Geoff and Steve A did.


Going to see Hugo tomorrow night :)
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Postby finalfight » Thu Jul 06, 2006 11:09 am

Wow, excellent! If you get a chance give him my best wishes and thanks for the great music all the way from the UK. :D

Hope you have a good time.
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Postby finalfight » Thu Jul 06, 2006 11:10 am

Don't forget to pinch his arse to see if he's lippin!!!

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Postby FormerJrnyFan » Thu Jul 06, 2006 11:13 am

finalfight wrote:Don't forget to pinch his arse to see if he's lippin!!!

:lol: :lol: :lol:


No arse pinching necessary... i'm pretty sure he ain't lippin'
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Postby NealIsGod » Thu Jul 06, 2006 11:14 am

The name Hugo always makes me think of a midget, for some reason...
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Postby FormerJrnyFan » Thu Jul 06, 2006 11:15 am

NealIsGod wrote:The name Hugo always makes me think of a midget, for some reason...


He's not one, tho :)
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Postby jrnyman28 » Thu Jul 06, 2006 11:47 am

journeygal wrote:
NealIsGod wrote:The name Hugo always makes me think of a midget, for some reason...


He's not one, tho :)


But he ain't tall either. (Is he?)
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Postby FormerJrnyFan » Thu Jul 06, 2006 11:49 am

jrnyman28 wrote:
journeygal wrote:
NealIsGod wrote:The name Hugo always makes me think of a midget, for some reason...


He's not one, tho :)


But he ain't tall either. (Is he?)


Nope, I'd say Perry height or there abouts...
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Postby finalfight » Thu Jul 06, 2006 10:53 pm

Journey Gal,

Please let us know how the concert was.

x :)
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Postby FormerJrnyFan » Thu Jul 06, 2006 10:56 pm

finalfight wrote:Journey Gal,

Please let us know how the concert was.

x :)


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Postby Aaron » Fri Jul 07, 2006 12:35 am

YES YES YES YES YES YES. Hugo is the only way to recover from their current situation. JSS is an excellent vocalist and a great guy but his voice is not a fit for Journey. That is apparent from the song clips on Andrew's front page. I can't believe I spent $1100 on VIP tickets this year for this. I'm pretty well done with Journey at this stage. I'll take my kid to the east coast to see Hugo. Now if we could only get him to do his own shit ... : )
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Postby FormerJrnyFan » Fri Jul 07, 2006 2:51 pm

finalfight wrote:Journey Gal,

Please let us know how the concert was.

x :)


The show was great! A few sound problems... Hugo's mic had a bad night!

Hey, it was a free concert at a town park, 'nuff said! Evolution rocked! I'll be seeing them again in August :D

Mr. Valenti didn't miss a Mr. Perry note!!!
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