A time to reflect

[Crazie Scarab]

Either way I'm still a Journey fan.-ERIC

Yeah... That's exactly how I am. Either way, it doesn't matter to me. Thank you, ERIC!

[Andrew]

And thank you Eric also.

I too am a proud Journey fan and just know that this will be sorted soon and the band will survive.

[*Laura]

Wow, another day logging on and another filled message board to wade through. Except today, the first thread I read is the one about this place being a dump. Now I can't be assed reading a single other post.

You know what. That poster may have been an asshole in the way he described this place, but he ain't far wrong.

But whose fault is it? Deano? His supporters? The Perry faction - ready to pounce at the very smell of blood? Me? THE Augeri-heads who are backing their man to the hilt?

Well, everyone. Everyone is responsible for their own actions and I'm responsible for letting you all kill each other right here.

No one reading this will have any idea of the amount of shit I have had flung at me over the last 2-4 weeks. NO ONE.
I have copped so much shit and NONE of it is my doing. I have kept my mouth shut and merely tried to moderate this forum with the understanding that this is an extremely difficult time for Journey fans. And don't give me sit about people posting here not being fans.

We are ALL fans.

So - there remains one entity that has been responsible for all this and this one entitty has not stood up to the plate to deal with it.

JOURNEY.

Good men of Journey - your fans are KILLING each other. I believe we are at a point where there might not be ANY going back.

It's not just this forum. Recent concert reviews have been horrid...not only reporters/journalists, but FANS also have been disappointed.

It is not just this forum that fans are going overboard. It's everywhere...this is a mess and the cleaners need to get to work.

In light of my post here - I have no idea how this will be received, but I don't really care. Recent events have tarnished my view of the band and I'm not sure where that leaves me for the future either.

I just want this mess over and so does EVERYONE else.

If you support what I'm saying here, try and refrian from posting to any other thread for today. Leave the fighting behind...

Thank you for posting your honest thoughts on this,Andrew.

No one said it's easy to face the thruth,especially when it is about something we love.
Although it's "just a band",Journey is an important part of our lives,so no one should be shocked that we are so passionate about all this.

It is good to know that there is a place like MR where people are allowed to speak their minds.

I wish you a better week,Andrew...if possible.

[Andrew]

Feeling better already

[Moon Beam]

Big hugs for the Aussie Bossy!

[Monker]

The "boney finger" thing strikes me as very funny for some reason. How do you two know it is not the pudgey finger of blame?

It reminded me of Jack Skellington:


I've read these Christmas books so many times
I know the stories and I know the rhymes
I know the Christmas carols all by heart
My skulls so full it's tearing me apart
As often as I've read them somethings wrong
So hard to put my boney finger on

Or perhaps it's not really as deep as I've been led to think
Am I trying much too hard?
Of course I've been this close to see
The answer's right in front of me, right in front of me!

It's simple really, very clear
Like music drifting in the air
Invisible but everywhere
Just because I cannot see it
Doesn't mean I can't believe it

[Monker]

Monker as I said before wah wah wah about your 15 years. You ares tirring the pot as much as anyone here. You want things better but are unwilling to do something about it.

I'm not stirring any pot...I'm going with the flow of what YOU want to talk about.

It's not my job to do anything about it. It's Andrew's.

[KittyKat]

Happy 4th to all and a big Thank You to Andrew

[Monker]

Your response is typical of your "cohorts".

I have no 'cohorts'. I am on my own side. I'm not 'from BT', I hardly even read the forum and post there even less.

I've read this forum for a couple of years, but didn't post until some pissy little owner of Augeriville demanded that her "cohorts" "step up to the plate". I suppose that was her way of making a call to arms of the other Augerivillagers...Steve Augeri must be so proud.

Never read or visited the forum. I am here, the mailing list, and once in a long while on BT...that is all of the Journey forums I am on.

You lurk until you find something to pounce on

WRONG. I mostly lurked here because of the general attitude that if you disagreed with Dean, you were going to get 'pounced' on. I even proved it once when I posted my critiques of the last tour and CD...As soon as I did, I was pounced on, just as I said I would be before I even offered my opinion.

BUT, back then at least there was some control...It seems like there isn't any longer. You know what? I can thrive in that atmosphere. Not having to think twice about farting in somebody's general direction is fine by me.

so where are you any different from anyone else who posted recently? You are nothing more than the pots calling the kettles black.

Doesn't bother me...Like I said, I go with the flow and that's where this forum is going. I can't stop that...neither can you.

You and your cohorts try to invalidate the tape scam by painting everyone who believes that things are not as they should be with the same brush.

The 'tape scam' itself is a scam. In the entire world, there are probably less then a hundred people who even care. Some scam that is.

I'm as entitled to my opinion and as entitled to state it as you or anyone else here regardless of my longevity or the timing of my arrival to the arrival of your or anyone else's "cohorts".

Yep...But, don't blame Journey/BT for causing a problem (which was what I was replying to) that ALL sides caused. ALL sides had people 'suddenly show up'.

[MartyMoffatt]

I read a bunch of people from the European shows saying they had a great time and Dean saying they were lipsynched and btw, you can't tell by looking if a show is lipsynched.

First off, you read what a bunch of BT ers said about Europe shows. They don't count, for they are not even real reviews.

I take exception to this as, by implication, you are dismissing the opinions of all Europeans. Firstly, it was not just BTers who have posted reviews. Many seasoned journalists have also described the Europe shows (certainly the UK ones) as exceptionally good. And secondly the fans here are not fawning concert virgins. Many of us travel to the US every year (sometimes several times a year) to see Journey and other bands, spending thousands of dollars each time. I've been to many, many hundreds of concerts since the 70's, and have seen every major rock band of the past 30 years, so I think that my opinion of what constitutes a good show is as valid as anybody else's.

That seems to be a common theme with you, Dean. If an independent source of information conflicts with your gospel you simply dismiss it as inconsequential.

Marty

[Citygirl]

Only just had the chance to read this thread. It's not even 10am yet here.

Andrew, I don't think there is really much you could have done about this whole debate. I mean, I know you can delete posts but if you delete them it'll just go on elsewhere/go on here when you're not logged on. I also think the guys should have said something long ago and thought they would either way, and it's made me wonder in some ways exactly what's been going on there.

As for my daft threads the other day, they were both started semi-jokingly to try and lift the mood a bit.

I hope you're right that this will all work out okay.

[jemhadar]

my take on this is that it wouldn't be much debate and trenchdigging if the band came out with a statement.

[Citygirl]

Same here.

[zino]

Good post Andrew !!!!!!

Have a few cold Fosters's !!

The big oil can ones

[styxman]

Andrew, you're the only moderator/owner that takes things on the chin and gets on with it and you keep protecting your messageboards with great determination. There's nothing like MR anywhere...period! It's the best read on the net and has some of the best posters alive and kicking today - that includes Deano even though I pissed him off sometime ago. This was his reply at the time:

Quote:
Augeri is twice the person as Perry, and now a much better singer.

it's posts like yours that ruin message boards.

And why don't YOU have the balls to post this crap on the Journey board, rather sneak it in over here, where nothing of substance is ever discussed.

You piss me off.

End.


Interesting considering what going on at the moment wouldn't you say?

Anyway I for one would always drop in and out of MR and from time to time take a quick look at BT, each board has it's place as all Journey fans have the right to be 'I love everything Journey does, regardless' and 'Let's stir something up' views, the latter makes for better reading though!

On reflection what Journey do is up to them, trying to survive alone nowadays must be ultra difficult for a band at their prime some 25 years or so ago, I'd rather they kept touring (less frequently perhaps) and get rid of the various band member egos and eat humble pie now and again. Band members come and go and hopefully from time to time come back - it ain't gonna happen comments, it may happen, who the hell knows what 2006/07 will bring for better or worse, sales dictate this but at the heart of it we'll always be fans - our CD collection keeps this alive I guess.

So sit back Andrew, keep on with what you're doing, never get rid of Deano, he's too valuable an asset as it takes all sorts to fill a message board but special people to fill a band - take note of this Journey and maybe, just maybe things may get back to normal.

As for the European reviews, like Hell they count Deano, do you know how special it was for us the otherside of the pond folk to see this band, even without the original 80's lineup it was a great night and hat's off to them for coming!

One final note, anyone wishing to come in here and call this messageboard a dump, think again as dumps regenerate and turn shit into goodness, even Deano's picture image may evolve into a pretty thing soon.........ain't that right Deano, make yourself look good for visitors and if I piss you off, sorry!

Keep it up Andrew, change the image Deano!

[Andrew]

Awesme post, thank you Styxman....and everyone else for the good vibes.

The board is as I said, the sum of all parts, I just try like hell to let all sides have a say and keep things as positive as possible.

Very hard lately, but I know things are going to get better....

[Citygirl]

Very hard lately, but I know things are going to get better....

[styxman]

It was that Aussie Bundaberg Root beer I had yesterday at the local cafe in Scotland of all places, refreshed my keyboard skills! See that's another good thing to come out of Aussie!

[Citygirl]

What city are you in?

Edinburgh here... most of the time.

[styxman]

No City, just small old Turnberry opposite the scone in the sea (Ailsa Craig)

[cetera]

I take exception to this as, by implication, you are dismissing the opinions of all Europeans. Firstly, it was not just BTers who have posted reviews. Many seasoned journalists have also described the Europe shows (certainly the UK ones) as exceptionally good. And secondly the fans here are not fawning concert virgins. Many of us travel to the US every year (sometimes several times a year) to see Journey and other bands, spending thousands of dollars each time. I've been to many, many hundreds of concerts since the 70's, and have seen every major rock band of the past 30 years, so I think that my opinion of what constitutes a good show is as valid as anybody else's.

That seems to be a common theme with you, Dean. If an independent source of information conflicts with your gospel you simply dismiss it as inconsequential.

Marty

Amen to to all of that Marty!
I'm sure you've realised by now that Deano has a thing against 'Euros' though...
Hard to take him at all seriously really when he is so ignorant...

[jrnyman28]

And thank you Eric also.

I too am a proud Journey fan and just know that this will be sorted soon and the band will survive.

Recent events have tarnished my view of the band and I'm not sure where that leaves me for the future either.

I hope you feel better Andrew. You have obvioudsly become rather conflicted over the whole mess.
I was thinking about passing on your message to BT because I think it is a well put 'response'. I am also have a major issue with the way they are painting this place when most of the environment was caused by their actions. Is there a problem with passing this on?

[Moon Beam]

Morning Dave.....How you doin?
(said like Joey on Friends)

[LAWoman]

I came to this forum because I was directed by BT. Seemed it was the only place to discuss it.

Exactly. I saw the same directive. But at the same time, those directed here wanted to lynch me for allowing the discussion.

Sorry, but I watched a story about the American revolution last night so I can't let this sit here. I believe the "directive" was to keep it at MR. The stink was started here so keep it here.

I don't know about anyone else, but my issue regarding this site & this whole fiasco was that any and everything was allowed. This board had been shut down for personal attacks previously, but suddenly personal attacks were fine. Previously the directive was don't bring BT issues here--but now anything was fine and the moderator was mute.

Hope you are still feeling better, Andrew. Just think how you might feel if you were on tour having to do a show every night and people were bothering you with some mess created from a message board. If people think this is going to blow over then you must not believe the allegations. Now pardon me--I have to celebrate the revolution.

[bionic]

Wow, another day logging on and another filled message board to wade through. Except today, the first thread I read is the one about this place being a dump. Now I can't be assed reading a single other post.

You know what. That poster may have been an asshole in the way he described this place, but he ain't far wrong.

But whose fault is it? Deano? His supporters? The Perry faction - ready to pounce at the very smell of blood? Me? THE Augeri-heads who are backing their man to the hilt?

Well, everyone. Everyone is responsible for their own actions and I'm responsible for letting you all kill each other right here.

No one reading this will have any idea of the amount of shit I have had flung at me over the last 2-4 weeks. NO ONE.
I have copped so much shit and NONE of it is my doing. I have kept my mouth shut and merely tried to moderate this forum with the understanding that this is an extremely difficult time for Journey fans. And don't give me sit about people posting here not being fans.

We are ALL fans.

So - there remains one entity that has been responsible for all this and this one entitty has not stood up to the plate to deal with it.

JOURNEY.

Good men of Journey - your fans are KILLING each other. I believe we are at a point where there might not be ANY going back.

It's not just this forum. Recent concert reviews have been horrid...not only reporters/journalists, but FANS also have been disappointed.

It is not just this forum that fans are going overboard. It's everywhere...this is a mess and the cleaners need to get to work.

In light of my post here - I have no idea how this will be received, but I don't really care. Recent events have tarnished my view of the band and I'm not sure where that leaves me for the future either.

I just want this mess over and so does EVERYONE else.

If you support what I'm saying here, try and refrian from posting to any other thread for today. Leave the fighting behind...

Well said sir,there has been a lot of sad things said unfortunatley Journey are silent and the fans are not. I am troubled by Journey,but i feel that something will be announced at the end of this tour?

[Monker]

I don't know about anyone else, but my issue regarding this site & this whole fiasco was that any and everything was allowed. This board had been shut down for personal attacks previously, but suddenly personal attacks were fine. Previously the directive was don't bring BT issues here--but now anything was fine and the moderator was mute.

I COMPLETELY agree...and has been my point all along. The way the forum was moderated suddenly changed because of this issue and how people were posting about it.

If people think this is going to blow over then you must not believe the allegations.

It simply won't blow over cuz Dean will eventually blow up on it again - as he always does. That is the ONLY way he can operate on a forum...If there's not a controversy to be all up in arms about, he can't post as himself. As I have said, I have NEVER seen somebody who acts like that simply stop because a moderator asks them to...If they do it once, they'll do it again, and Dean has already done it multiple times with different issues.

[Adikeo]

I realize Andrew has been in a difficult position because of the allegations concerning Journey. I also agree with many of the replies here that no matter what Journey does at this point, they can't win. One thing I don't agree with is that this issue is not their problem. This has spread beyond this message board to other sites and radio stations. It is bad publicity and bad pr is thier problem. However, as someone said earlier, Journey has let this go on too long now without responding and the damgage has been done.

[JrnySuxBalls]

Just think how you might feel if you were on tour having to do a show every night and people were bothering you with some mess created from a message board.

Or even worse, some mess created by the band itself.

[Rockindeano]

That is the ONLY way he can operate on a forum...If there's not a controversy to be all up in arms about, he can't post as himself.

Ok Monker. I just created a thread where I uploaded various estranged bootlegs of songs so that people who don't have them, could enjoy them.

YOU, on the other hand, seem to dwell on the forum rules and the moderator of said forum. Talk about too much time on ones' hands.

[Distant Voice]

Andrew, you're the only moderator/owner that takes things on the chin and gets on with it and you keep protecting your messageboards with great determination. There's nothing like MR anywhere...period! It's the best read on the net and has some of the best posters alive and kicking today - that includes Deano even though I pissed him off sometime ago. This was his reply at the time:

Quote:
Augeri is twice the person as Perry, and now a much better singer.

it's posts like yours that ruin message boards.

And why don't YOU have the balls to post this crap on the Journey board, rather sneak it in over here, where nothing of substance is ever discussed.

You piss me off.

End.


Interesting considering what going on at the moment wouldn't you say?

Anyway I for one would always drop in and out of MR and from time to time take a quick look at BT, each board has it's place as all Journey fans have the right to be 'I love everything Journey does, regardless' and 'Let's stir something up' views, the latter makes for better reading though!

On reflection what Journey do is up to them, trying to survive alone nowadays must be ultra difficult for a band at their prime some 25 years or so ago, I'd rather they kept touring (less frequently perhaps) and get rid of the various band member egos and eat humble pie now and again. Band members come and go and hopefully from time to time come back - it ain't gonna happen comments, it may happen, who the hell knows what 2006/07 will bring for better or worse, sales dictate this but at the heart of it we'll always be fans - our CD collection keeps this alive I guess.

So sit back Andrew, keep on with what you're doing, never get rid of Deano, he's too valuable an asset as it takes all sorts to fill a message board but special people to fill a band - take note of this Journey and maybe, just maybe things may get back to normal.

As for the European reviews, like Hell they count Deano, do you know how special it was for us the otherside of the pond folk to see this band, even without the original 80's lineup it was a great night and hat's off to them for coming!

One final note, anyone wishing to come in here and call this messageboard a dump, think again as dumps regenerate and turn shit into goodness, even Deano's picture image may evolve into a pretty thing soon.........ain't that right Deano, make yourself look good for visitors and if I piss you off, sorry!

Keep it up Andrew, change the image Deano!

Quote:
"Augeri is twice the person as Perry, and now a much better singer. "