Bad night in Raliegh NC

[piecesofeight]

This is far fetched, but give it a listen. I doubt Smitty would come back and Dunsbar is with the New Cars. I think they'll find another drummer and give Dean lead. It might be their only option. Augeri's voice isn't gonna get better. He had several months off and that didn't help. How the hell is 2 or 3 nights gonna help. Also, I don't mean Perry would tour now, rather next year. Augeri is done at the end of this tour, maybe sooner. 8 years...nothing accomplished. Bye.

That would be the smartest thing to do since they already have someone who knows the songs and can sing them very well. Much easier to find a drummer.

[KittyKat]

Saints or Sinners, take no prisoners. what's left after the fall?

[jemhadar]

That would be the smartest thing to do since they already have someone who knows the songs and can sing them very well. Much easier to find a drummer.

Are you serious?

Dean is one of the best drummers around... and using him as a front singer is just waste of talent.

[JrnySuxBalls]

That would be the smartest thing to do since they already have someone who knows the songs and can sing them very well. Much easier to find a drummer.

Are you serious?

Dean is one of the best drummers around... and using him as a front singer is just waste of talent.

What if he played cowbell while he sings?

[perryfaithful]

Was Jeremy going to the Raleigh show??

[wildone]

someday neal is going to understand some things are worth waiting for...enough said

Damn!, now if that isn't the last 8 years wrapped up.......I don't know what is......

Love the sig!Great Pic!!!

[PROPERRY]

Wow, and to think just a couple of weeks ago Steve sounded PERFECT for all the European gigs, except for the Faithfully debacle. How can anyone with half a fuckin' brain not realize that THIS DIDN'T JUST HAPPEN. His mic wasn't on in Europe...til it HAD to be. C'mon non-believers, the jig is up. Hell, Terry Schiavo could've figured this out. Cancel the tour and start puckering up to Perry. This is truly sad.

DO NOT cancel unless it for Augeri to rest, why get Perry back and have no improvemnt-ERIC

No improvement? Are you serious? Take a look at what Uncle Joe recently said about Perry's voice. Something like, "I was sitting no more than six feet away in a recording studio, and it's pretty much ALL still there." And they're HIS songs. This karaoke bullshit has got to end. Ship Augeri back to The Gap to clean toilets. He's a fraud. He KNOWINGLY started this tour with no voice. They got caught and they're fucked. I DO NOT feel sorry for him. Never will, as he was NEVER good.

That is you opinion. Anyone can sound good in the studio, get your butt out on tour every night and see what happens. have several ROR shows and FTLOSM shows were his voice was not very good. DO NOT GET ME WRONG
1) if Augeri can not do this tour, get him the rest he needs, if then after a year off he can not go on then the next step would be a different singer. 2) I want Perry to sing again, BUT NOT IN JOURNEY. Bring Perry back would not be an improvement, Perry is a shadow of what he was, which would still be good, but with Perry back, it would be no Journey touring.
Why is it hard for people think Augeri shouldn't take a year off. Perry did. Frontiers 83 and ROR in 86. that is 3 years, yes there was a year for a tour, and Perry made a cd (WITH NO TOUR), so it was over a year off.-ERIC

Don't get me wrong here, Augeri definitely NEEDS to take a long break, unless of course it is true that it is much worse for him & he has ruined his voice for good, then the band needs to retire Journey.

It is sad to me that when Perry had to cancel concerts because of illness, HE was HEAVILY critizised here on this board for doing so, even though HE was just taking care of HIMSELF, (like ANY singer should do), rather than continuing to sing like Augeri is doing right now.

I WISH the SAME understanding for Augeri could have been GIVEN to Perry when he needed to cancel concerts , in order to take care of his health, instead of ALL the critizism he recieved here from so many on this board!!


Lori

[Andrew]

It is sad to me that when Perry had to cancel concerts because of illness, HE was HEAVILY critizised here on this board for doing so, even though HE was just taking care of HIMSELF, (like ANY singer should do), rather than continuing to sing like Augeri is doing right now.

Hang on! Perry hasn't sung in 10 years - the life span of this board....so I'm not sure when he was criticised for such a move here. I for one would have APPLAUDED such a decision. Same for any artist in such a difficult position.

[Journeynut]

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They have Deen. If they can't cancel the tour. If this is not going to go away soon, Deen needs to take over or go back using tapes to get thru this. But Augeri needs a year off to rest. But they don't need to go get another singer, Deen can get them thru,or back up Augeri on any night. At the end of tour a year rest. Is that so hard to understand?-ERIC

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If I were seeing Journey in the classic days, I can tell you I would not be happy about paying the price of a ticket and finding out that SP is not singing!, nor would I pay the price of a concert ticket to see steve smith sing instead!
You go to a show to see the band and singer you like not to see someone else take over!

[Red13JoePa]

Thoughts:
I don't think rest alone will heal what ails. I wish they'd look into seeing if he's a candidate for the surgery that Elton John (twice) Rod Stewart, seemingly Tyler now and other vocalist have gone through to repair the voice.

I'd be worried about Castronovo singing whole shows as well as last year he hurt his voice on a few songs. I say gut the tour out making due with Steve/Deen tandem let JC keep EG and let Ross do Gone Grazy and have Neal do In Self Defense. Seemingly last night was a very rough night but maybe SA will bounce back enough to be decent like he has been the other nights so far. If last night turns out to be more the norm then you seriously have to look at pulling the plug on this tour. You cannot have Deen (as heroic as that was) coming out from behind the drums.

But beyond the tour I'd like to see if SA can get his voice medically repaired, rest and put another new album summer '07 or so.

[Abitaman]

Thoughts:
I don't think rest alone will heal what ails. I wish they'd look into seeing if he's a candidate for the surgery that Elton John (twice) Rod Stewart, seemingly Tyler now and other vocalist have gone through to repair the voice.

I'd be worried about Castronovo singing whole shows as well as last year he hurt his voice on a few songs. I say gut the tour out making due with Steve/Deen tandem let JC keep EG and let Ross do Gone Grazy and have Neal do In Self Defense. Seemingly last night was a very rough night but maybe SA will bounce back enough to be decent like he has been the other nights so far. If last night turns out to be more the norm then you seriously have to look at pulling the plug on this tour. You cannot have Deen (as heroic as that was) coming out from behind the drums.

But beyond the tour I'd like to see if SA can get his voice medically repaired, rest and put another new album summer '07 or so.

Well saud Red

[Jeremey]

Maybe Journey could do the smart thing and acknowledge to the fans that Steve Augeri is having vocal trouble, and that they are using support through technology whenever possible to allow him to vocally survive through the tour. Then use the damned multitrack so people can walk away from the Journey show feeling happy about the music and enjoying the show, instead of wondering what in god's name is going on. Putting Augeri through this nightmare speaks volumes about the band, and Augeri's true place in the pecking order. They don't have to cancel the tour. Just do what they did last year, and come out and acknowledge what is happening, and leave it at that! That's all I've ever hoped for, and before they went out and started murdering Augeri every night, I could have cared less how they made it through a show. What point are they trying to prove now?

[PROPERRY]

It is sad to me that when Perry had to cancel concerts because of illness, HE was HEAVILY critizised here on this board for doing so, even though HE was just taking care of HIMSELF, (like ANY singer should do), rather than continuing to sing like Augeri is doing right now.

Hang on! Perry hasn't sung in 10 years - the life span of this board....so I'm not sure when he was criticised for such a move here. I for one would have APPLAUDED such a decision. Same for any artist in such a difficult position.

Well NO Perry has not sung at concerts in quite a while, BUT he has sung with other artists, Jeff Golub and David Pack, as guest on their cd's. I wasn't saying that YOU , Andrew personally critizised Perry for canceling concerts due to illness. I don't know where you were Andrew, BUT I certainly remember that critizism being made towards Perry "multiple times" by other fans here.

I guess I'm trying to point out is that NOW what they SEE Augeri experiencing, that they SHOULDN'T have been "so harsh" & "passed judgement" on Perry with his decision to cancel concerts, that he really DID the "right thing" all the way around for ALL involved!!

Lori

[NealIsGod]

Don't worry, Lori. We don't blame Perry for his voice suffering. We blame age and overuse.

We do blame Perry for the things he was responsibile for to contribute to his exit from the band. But no one is entirely blameless in that department.

[heardonthestreet]

Don't worry, Lori. We don't blame Perry for his voice suffering. We blame age and overuse.

We do blame Perry for the things he was responsibile for to contribute to his exit from the band. But no one is entirely blameless in that department.

...............................Please be very honest with me, Nig. You really feel that Perry's voice was shot on TBF and "I Stand Alone?"

[EightyRock]

Jeremey says, "What point are they trying to prove now?"

The point they've been hammering home for 8 years, that it's Neal's band now, he is making all the decisions and he wants to play come hell or high water. One reviewer said a couple nights ago that they were obviously there to get paid. Isn't it obvious? It's not about showing an audience quality musicianship or they wouldn't be doing ANY of this, either the tapes or the crappy live perfomances. No contract can force Augeri to perform if he is in bad shape. Their hand has been forced, since it was caught in the cookie jar. Now he is going "live" to garner as much sympathy from those that will provide it. It is a shame that any person would choose to do this to themselves. What other reason than money and sympathy could there be for finishing off your voice, and embarrasing yourself and the band at each live performance? That isn't integrity and it sure as hell isn't showmanship or professionalism. It is HIS decision to go out there. He had to know BEFORE the tour started that his voice was already shot. If the accounts are true of them using lead vocal tapes last year, too, he must have figured if they didn't get caught then, that it would all work out for this too. WRONG on every level. WRONG for integrity. WRONG for the legacy. WRONG for morality, when tapes are involved. You give people what they paid for, not something you either cover up or now just throw together night after night so you can still collect a check.

[NealIsGod]

Don't worry, Lori. We don't blame Perry for his voice suffering. We blame age and overuse.

We do blame Perry for the things he was responsibile for to contribute to his exit from the band. But no one is entirely blameless in that department.

...............................Please be very honest with me, Nig. You really feel that Perry's voice was shot on TBF and "I Stand Alone?"

Well, it sounded very overproduced on TBF, and the songs themselves are weak. I have only heard "I Stand Alone" a few times because I don't care for it. I guess his voice was decent. Just not up to snuff, IMO.

But now it is 10 years later. I think he probably still has a voice, just not much range.

[PROPERRY]

Don't worry, Lori. We don't blame Perry for his voice suffering. We blame age and overuse.

We do blame Perry for the things he was responsibile for to contribute to his exit from the band. But no one is entirely blameless in that department.

OH , I'm sure you don't NOW, after seeing what Augeri is experiencing at this time, but you & some others certainly DID blame Perry on this board for canceling concerts due to illness, it was thrown up on this board all the time, you just can't admit the truth , that's all.

As for Perry's voice, "his voice" was FANTASTIC on TBF & still is to this very day!!!


Lori

[conversationpc]

As for Perry's voice, "his voice" was FANTASTIC on TBF & still is to this very day!!!

He sounded good on "Trial By Fire". No one's saying he didn't, as far as I'm aware. However, it's painfully obvious that his voice had deteriorated since the 80s. In fact, it started being very noticeable on the "Frontiers" album and tour (and I actually pick "Frontiers" as my Perry vocal performance).

[Red13JoePa]

Yes but as I recall, Perry simply up and cancelled the remainder of the FTLOSM tour for now reason. IE: none provided. I still don't think he's ever explained why officially even though every body knows.... this is where Journey would have to do it differently, not so aloof. They would have to provide reason for the cancellations if they come.

[PROPERRY]

Yes but as I recall, Perry simply up and cancelled the remainder of the FTLOSM tour for now reason. IE: none provided. I still don't think he's ever explained why officially even though every body knows.... this is where Journey would have to do it differently, not so aloof. They would have to provide reason for the cancellations if they come.

You mean like "aloof way" Journey is dealing with Augeri's major voice problems now & the way they WERE using tapes for lead vocals in concert?????

Lori

[mrsp]

Just want to clarify one small detail. Deen's drum tech has been with him for several years, so he really isn't a new guy and he is an extremely talented drummer. He knows his way around the drum kit.

[ohsherrie]

Yes but as I recall, Perry simply up and cancelled the remainder of the FTLOSM tour for now reason. IE: none provided. I still don't think he's ever explained why officially even though every body knows.... this is where Journey would have to do it differently, not so aloof. They would have to provide reason for the cancellations if they come.

Actually Joe, Steve said his reason for cancelling some of the FTLOSM shows was bronchitis. Moyes Lucas confirmed that and said that was when Sony started pushing the Journey reunion instead of supporting FTLOSM.

[EightyRock]

I'm sure Deen's drum tech is talented, although I haven't had the pleasure of hearing him. If Ross has a problem and Neal has to play bass, will it be ok if Neal's guitar tech fills in for Neal during that show, too? Just wondering how far we can go with this "Journey show without Journey's musicians" playing their instruments idea.

[Red13JoePa]

Color me corrected, I guess.

[Memorex]

Hey - Steve Perry plays drums. Maybe....

Ha ha. Just yankin' you guys.

[KittyKat]

Jeremy should be Journey's PR person Clearly if they had made that kind of statement 2 weeks ago they would've gained a great deal of support that they may not get now because of how they handled it.

[Arrival09]

Didn't Tommy "Mugs" Cain, younger brother of Jon Cain fill in for Deen on drums for a few shows a few years ago? Surprised his name hasn't come up yet.

And by the way, I'm sure it would be much more likely that Ross's bass tech filled in for him than having Neal play bass and Neal's tech play guitar. A hypothetical situation, as it was brought to this forum, but one that has absolutely no chance of happening.

[AR]

I'm sure Deen's drum tech is talented, although I haven't had the pleasure of hearing him. If Ross has a problem and Neal has to play bass, will it be ok if Neal's guitar tech fills in for Neal during that show, too? Just wondering how far we can go with this "Journey show without Journey's musicians" playing their instruments idea.

Cheap Trick had Rick Neilson's son fill in on drums for an entire tour while Bun E Carlos had back surgery. Kiss had Peter Criss's drum tech put on the cat makeup and play a show a few years ago when Peter was injured. Tommy Thayer was a Kiss guitar tech and band employee that is now their full time guitarist. They've also had Paul Stanley sings songs that Gene Simmons normally sings when Gene has had throat problems.

Noel Gallagher has sang lead vocals for entire shows in Oasis when Liam chooses not to show up.

Just saying that the idea of tech's actually playing some shows or other band members filling in vocally is absolutely nothing new.

[mrsp]

My points were that he is not new ( as one poster implied) and that he does not need Ross's "help". That's all.