Hope or Denial?

by **Eric** » Tue Jul 11, 2006 11:59 pm

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by **Journeynut** » Wed Jul 12, 2006 12:02 am

Les wrote:
He will have had a "gag" order placed on him

That'll be why there's not been anything straight from the horse's mouth so to speak... I bet we never hear anything from him. He probably HAS to keep quiet. But what the guys forget is, other people don't.

Someone will know the real story, and no doubt it'll come out sometime.

They should just tell us the real story and then we could let it go. The message boards on forums just fuel the gossip, and escalate the lies, soon no one knows what is truth and what is ficiton.

by **Citygirl** » Wed Jul 12, 2006 12:03 am

If he really had a throat infection, he'd have said something himself on the whole issue.... it's obvious he's not allowed to say anything.

They must have something to hide.

by **Journeynut** » Wed Jul 12, 2006 12:09 am

Les wrote:If he really had a throat infection, he'd have said something himself on the whole issue.... it's obvious he's not allowed to say anything.

They must have something to hide.

Now I have
"Youve got something to hide that your not telling me" in my head for the day :wink:

by **whocares** » Wed Jul 12, 2006 12:53 am

neilmaclookalike wrote:
Exactly.. but it reflects on the rest of the Journey team... not particularly Augeri.. he is the guy who has lost out here..."voice and position"..Jeez...it takes the gloss off his Tall Stories release,,,due soon... maybe that will now be pulled!! there will be no chance of him even supporting that release now.

Augeri is the patsy here.... used, abused... and ditched when the going got tough... I sure hope the rest of the organisation has trouble sleeping at night..although Im sure they wont... as long as the coffers keep coming in! and the band wagon keeps rollin along

If you seriously thought that there was going to be some touring for material from the early 90's, you are indeed a wishful thinker. There's a reason they didn't re-record the older stuff and are putting out VERY OLD material.

Patsy or not, he's not innocent of anything.

by **A Fire Inside** » Wed Jul 12, 2006 1:45 am

EightyRock wrote:It all seems to come back to them maybe thinking that because of their lighter touring schedule (compared to what they used to do) that Augeri could pull it off. When he couldn't, it was like, holy shit, what do we do now?

Well, they didn't even give him much of a break at all! If he was struggling last year by November, they were dumb to think he would be fine again by April or whenever they started.

by **Citygirl** » Wed Jul 12, 2006 2:28 am

Seems Top Dog ain't the sharpest tool in the box.

by **StyxCollector** » Wed Jul 12, 2006 2:45 am

EightyRock wrote:It all seems to come back to them maybe thinking that because of their lighter touring schedule (compared to what they used to do) that Augeri could pull it off. When he couldn't, it was like, holy shit, what do we do now? We've got all this stuff in place to go on with Augeri and now what are we gonna do? Cue escape-to-tape. Augeri may have been a hired hand without a contract or not, nobody knows that as fact, as far as I've seen. Bottom line is he stepped on that stage every show regardless of his vocal condition. He had a choice and he had a medical excuse. Nobody can force you to do that. If he was thinking about any of the possible scenerios...damaging Journey's reputation, damaging his own voice, damaging his own reputation, then he would not have signed on to the DL tour.....unless they had ALL planned to roll tape and not get caught. They all need to take some responsibilty for what happened. I bet if they thought they could have rolled Perry out in a wheel chair or on a stretcher to tour, they would have done that, too. The difference is that Perry wouldn't consider hitting the stage with Journey unless he could have given the band, himself and the fans 100%. Schon wants to tour endlessly and no singer can hold up to that, not even Soto, although I think his stronger pipes might fare better. Perry was the closest thing they'll ever have to super human and that is over for them. The whole band is in the twilight of their careers and trying to hold on to whatever is left, via the greatest hits tours. They at least have to go out with some dignity and not with tape rolling, so Soto has to be their man. Hopefully, Augeri will recover and get back to a Tall Stories reunion or something else that fits his vocal capacity.

Well said. At this point it's a cash cow. If anyone really thinks that Deen and Ross are on equal stages in terms of band say and pay as Jon and Neal, I'd doubt it. Maybe Ross. Deen became a hired hand (IMO - no proof) once Smitty left after TBF. Augeri was definitely a hired hand.

I mean, look at Styx. Todd Sucherman, Ricky Philips, Gowan ... I'm sure they're getting paid well, but they're hired by JY & Tommy to do a job. They can act, smell, look, sound, and function like a band that is all equal, but at the end of the day, Styx is JY & Tommy (and maybe Chuck, but I doubt that, too).

Most of these classic rock acts are in the same boat here where you have one or two "original" members (Chuck is the only one in Styx from day one, and he's not there all the time) and a bunch of other guys - talented as they may be - in the other roles. Nothing is wrong with that, but can we call this spade a spade?

by **StyxCollector** » Wed Jul 12, 2006 2:47 am

Les wrote:Seems Top Dog ain't the sharpest tool in the box.

Herbie would agree with you 100%.

by **bionic** » Thu Jul 13, 2006 4:32 am

Lula wrote:Hmmmmm. I imagine people hope Steve Augeri will recover, but the word chronic suggests something lasting and recurring which is a terrible place to be as a lead singer of a touring machine. I hope Steve recovers fully, whatever he needs to do to make it happen, my best wishes. The folks that do not believe there was a problem prior to last week are in denial. It seems impossible for a vocalist to have a chronic throat infection to be singing in top form, such as reported in Europe and the first few U.S. dates and then whammy- no more. I am sorry that so much has happened, but ultimately the truth, imo, has prevailed.

I agree,assuming you belive the tape scandal( i do ) then that would tell you the state of his voice was bad,they got caught out using tapes then went live and Augeri crashed.He really did deserve better than this, i wish he had left gracefully and the band moved on with a new singer. :cry:

by **Red13JoePa** » Thu Jul 13, 2006 11:54 pm

My heart says temporary, head says permanent.

by **siobhan222** » Fri Jul 14, 2006 1:24 am

Red13JoePa wrote:My heart says temporary, head says permanent.

I'm with you red13joepa.. but I'm really hoping our hearts are right and our heads are wrong.

And yes, it's very weird that Steve hasn't said anything. Although I read somewhere that Jon said he's seeing another specialist this week so maybe he's busy with that. And perhaps his wife is still wrapped up in things since her brother died so she hasn't had time to post.

My husband made a good point: if it was true Steve was gagged and paid off, wouldn't you think part of the agreement would have been for him to make a statement himself?

by **Abitaman** » Fri Jul 14, 2006 9:03 am

Red13JoePa wrote:My heart says temporary, head says permanent.

Know what you mean

by **FormerJrnyFan** » Fri Jul 14, 2006 9:09 am

My heart says permanent, head says the same...

by **nolippin** » Fri Jul 14, 2006 9:37 am

I agree!! They just need to move forward now...not back.

journeygal wrote:My heart says permanent, head says the same...

by **Jeremey** » Fri Jul 14, 2006 9:43 am

I still have mixed feelings about this whole thing.

by **carol whitehead** » Fri Jul 14, 2006 9:47 am

Suddenly a man appears from no where is he here to save the day?????Could it be............ Oh my god is it, is it,......... YES IT IS!!!!!!! The one the only STEVE PERRY. Sorry I had to stop writing for a bit. I think Im ready to go on. Steve Perry saves the tour for Journey!!!!and all is well in the world.

by **JrnySuxBalls** » Fri Jul 14, 2006 9:50 am

If they used the time travel machine, and brought back the SP of 1981...sure.

by **EightyRock** » Fri Jul 14, 2006 9:56 am

What the hell was that?????????? Steve Perry isn't taking the reigns again and steering that big ole Bonneville w/ the leaky gas tank down the one-lane road to anywhere. I'm guessing he's had a few good laughs, a few days shaking his head and alot more days saying thank God I'm not dealing with those ass***** any more. It's all up to JSS now and I think he is their only hope to stay on the road and help them get it right this time.

by **wildone** » Fri Jul 14, 2006 10:42 am

EightyRock wrote:What the hell was that?????????? Steve Perry isn't taking the reigns again and steering that big ole Bonneville w/ the leaky gas tank down the one-lane road to anywhere. I'm guessing he's had a few good laughs, a few days shaking his head and alot more days saying thank God I'm not dealing with those ass***** any more. It's all up to JSS now and I think he is their only hope to stay on the road and help them get it right this time.

No kidding the ships sinking and he's laughing his ass off!!!(I'd imagine)and as for jss neal will shoot him just as fast if he doesn't produce or if he thinks it's not gonna work out sound wise to the crowds expectations.

by **jrnyjetster** » Fri Jul 14, 2006 1:26 pm

I know I read an interview somewhere a couple of years back, where Neal and Jon mentioned that Augeri and Castronovo were full partners in Journey, not just hired hands or "salaried :roll:

employees". Could it have been on Journeydigest.com maybe? Can't remember exactly....

ANDREW...help us out here....

by **nolippin** » Fri Jul 14, 2006 1:42 pm

Well, if it is indeed true that Perry gets a 1/6, that would mean that all 5 including Augeri and Castronovo also get 1/6.

My guess is that Augeri's partnership was bought out along with his silence.

jrnyjetster wrote::idea: I know I read an interview somewhere a couple of years back, where Neal and Jon mentioned that Augeri and Castronovo were full partners in Journey, not just hired hands or "salaried employees". Could it have been on Journeydigest.com maybe? Can't remember exactly....

ANDREW...help us out here....

by **whocares** » Fri Jul 14, 2006 1:49 pm

Augeri wrote some of the bands biggest hits? not that I recall.

He's not entitled to 1/6th or 7th or 8th of anything. believe it or not, Augeri doesn't/didn't have the pull in the industry that Perry did or does still.

Jon Cain isn't exactly known for his "integrity" and honesty.

by **Barb** » Fri Jul 14, 2006 1:56 pm

What's the scoop on JC?

whocares wrote:Augeri wrote some of the bands biggest hits? not that I recall.

He's not entitled to 1/6th or 7th or 8th of anything. believe it or not, Augeri doesn't/didn't have the pull in the industry that Perry did or does still.

Jon Cain isn't exactly known for his "integrity" and honesty.

by **nolippin** » Fri Jul 14, 2006 1:59 pm

They didn't have any hits with Augeri at all much less any that he wrote.

I agree that Jon's "integrity" is questionable.

whocares wrote:Augeri wrote some of the bands biggest hits? not that I recall.

He's not entitled to 1/6th or 7th or 8th of anything. believe it or not, Augeri doesn't/didn't have the pull in the industry that Perry did or does still.

Jon Cain isn't exactly known for his "integrity" and honesty.

by **whocares** » Fri Jul 14, 2006 2:01 pm

you just have to know what Herbie has said in any interview that Cain's name was brought up. It's been known since he joined the band that he "forced" Herbie to sign and get his wife at the time a record contract. That takes some balls, not to mention a huge ego. She couldn't even sing. She probably made more money from alimony for JC and doing all those horrible skinemax movies, than selling records. Her acting wasn't so good either. Then again her father starred on a TV show about a girl robot, in the 80's. (Doug McClure)

nolippin, I think Perry was a stockholder in "the band" as Herbie put it. He had a very vested interest.

by **nolippin** » Fri Jul 14, 2006 2:07 pm

I would be very surprised if he is not STILL a stockholder in the band. He is the one putting together all the DVD releases and remasters. That is making "the band" a lot of money.

[quote="whocares
nolippin, I think Perry was a stockholder in "the band" as Herbie put it. He had a very vested interest.[/quote]

by **siobhan222** » Fri Jul 14, 2006 2:08 pm

whocares wrote:nolippin, I think Perry was a stockholder in "the band" as Herbie put it. He had a very vested interest.

8 years later, is Perry still a full stockholder with the same rights as Neal and Jon? That's pretty wild if that's the case. You'd think they would at least have tiered it somehow.

by **whocares** » Fri Jul 14, 2006 2:16 pm

Perry's helping make everyone a lot of money. You don't have to be best friends to be in business with each other, even if people don't know about it. Perry makes money off the band still and always will. That's why they are out touring so much.

by **nolippin** » Fri Jul 14, 2006 2:17 pm

Do you think they are making more money from touring than from the Classic lineup DVDs and remasters??

whocares wrote:Perry's helping make everyone a lot of money. You don't have to be best friends to be in business with each other, even if people don't know about it. Perry makes money off the band still and always will. That's why they are out touring so much.

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