Doesn't it speak volumes......

[Monker]

Can't blame Augeri for Schon and Cain's lack of motivation for putting out new material.

EXACTLY. Augeri said that he waited SIX YEARS after Arrival for the band to record an album, and nothing was happening...which is why he decided to do something solo. HE took the time to start something, and the result was Generations. To blame Augeri for the lack of Journey albums is utter bullshit.

I have felt like their hearts are not into creating music that isn't going to make them alot of money...if it was, Neal would have kept Soul Sirkus going.

BINGO! Someone understands. When it comes to Journey - TOURING makes them money, not recording albums. Recording albums, IMO, seems more a distraction to them then anything else.

Perhaps JSS would provide a spark, but Neal already had the music for SS ready, he didn't need motivation for that.

Good point...in some ways, the inspiration for Soul SirkUS can be traced to Neal recording with Sammy Hagar.

Regardless of Augeri's or JSS's input, if Cain and Schon had the fire in their bellys (pl?) for new music like they should. They shouldn't have to have a singer kicking them to get off their asses...

EXACTLY. They have been more interested in TOURING then recording.

[Monker]

But look what they came up with when they were writing for Waite.

Oh, please, I would take Arrival and Red13 over anything they did with Waite.

Maybe Jon is hearing Jeff's voice in his head now and thinking, "Now THIS is something I can work with all day long and 5 times on Saturday!"

Again, that's exactly the type of talk he would say about Augeri when he was hired.

[Monker]

Oddly enough, Steve Augeri is the reson we got Generations. He was writing for a solo project and brought the work in. That apparantly inspired the guys to get off their asses and put together a CD. Granted, the CD was hurried and featured very little Augeri material...but ti still came about BECAUSE of their lead singer.

EXACTLY what I have been trying to point out. I don't think it's all that 'ironic' either. They heard it, like what they heard, and decided to put an album together. Augeri was the catalyst - that's the bottom line.

[Monker]

Pompous gasbag Monker raised this exact same flimsy argument.

As compared to your assinine statements? That's fine by me.

Augeri might have inspired them to throw something together, but he didn't inspire them to write and work together as a functioning unit.

They were too busy touring to do anything else. Even Generations was rushed to get back on the road. Same with Red13...they didn't even have enough time to release it before the tour started. You can't form an opinion on how they were as a writing 'unit' when they never took time out to BE a 'unit'.

As evidenced by many interviews, the band was pulling in different directions.
Neal mentioned he wasn't even around when the cd's track list was compiled.
And Steve said "it wasn't until the last moment of doing this record that [Jon] came in - literally into the studio with a few masterpieces."

Geesh. That's not a band. This is a bunch of disparate solo artists vying for their time in the sun.

It's not a band focused on recording...It's a band throwing a freebie together to give away on the next tour.

[Monker]

At the end of the day, NO ONE should have to inspire the others to "work"...they shgould just WANT to. And it is obvious that the band didn't really WANT to during the last 8 years.

EXACTLY. Now these assholes are coming about AFTER THE FACT and making all of these statements about recording albums? Where the hell were they BACK THEN? Getting ready to lap up the saucer of milk of the latest tour?

I have been saying FOR YEARS NOW that Journey needs to get off the road and take the time to record and release an album properly. But EACH TIME they could have taken the time to do it, another tour was being planned. Hardly ANYBODY complained BACK THEN...Now all of a sudden the band was fucked up and there is no chemistry, and blah, blah, blah.

[Clasicrockldy]

Go take your turn with Lula.

Now that was uncalled for, Monker ! Leave Lula out of this..........

[Vladan]

Easy solution to all your questions.


Steve Perry
Neal Schon
Jonathan Cain
Ross Valory
Steve Smith

Journey

[Monker]

Go take your turn with Lula.

Now that was uncalled for, Monker ! Leave Lula out of this..........

There's a LOT of 'uncalled for' crap that is posted on this forum, not just be me....maybe you should complain about ALL of it, instead of just mine....You would look much less like a hypocrit.

[The_Noble_Cause]

They were too busy touring to do anything else.

JSS and Neal composed the near immaculate SoulSirkus record in just a handful of weeks.
Lush melodies used to come flowing forth from Neal and Perry like a fountainhead.
That era also toured at a fervent pace.
Again, this boils down to group chemistry.
Either you got it or you don't.
JSS and Neal demonstrably do.

You can't form an opinion on how they were as a writing 'unit' when they never took time out to BE a 'unit'.

Gee, now why do you think that was?

It's not a band focused on recording...It's a band throwing a freebie together to give away on the next tour.

And it is my supposition that they didn't focus on future recordings because somewhere early on they stopped believing in the product.

[The_Noble_Cause]

EXACTLY. Now these assholes are coming about AFTER THE FACT and making all of these statements about recording albums? Where the hell were they BACK THEN?

I was right here. Talking about writing chemistry. The same way I am addressing it now for the umpteenth time.
You were probably too busy emailing pics of your genitals to minors to notice.

Hardly ANYBODY complained BACK THEN...Now all of a sudden the band was fucked up and there is no chemistry, and blah, blah, blah.

Been complaining about this for YEARS.
Could dig it out of the archives for you, but I don't do favors for worthless bags of shit

[Lula]

Go take your turn with Lula.

Now that was uncalled for, Monker ! Leave Lula out of this..........

Thank you!

I'm not involved in your tit for tats Monker, why bring me up? If you have something to say about me, say it to me- not TNC.

[Clasicrockldy]

You're welcome, Lula !

[Clasicrockldy]

Go take your turn with Lula.

Now that was uncalled for, Monker ! Leave Lula out of this..........

There's a LOT of 'uncalled for' crap that is posted on this forum, not just be me....maybe you should complain about ALL of it, instead of just mine....You would look much less like a hypocrit.

Yes, there may be alot of uncalled for crap on this forum, but to bring someone in who has NOTHING to do with your shit, is uncalled for. And I am not a hypocrite. I would say the same thing if someone else brought in someone who has totally nothing to do with whatever the poster is kvetching about, or who with.

[Monker]

Go take your turn with Lula.

Now that was uncalled for, Monker ! Leave Lula out of this..........

Thank you!

I'm not involved in your tit for tats Monker, why bring me up? If you have something to say about me, say it to me- not TNC.

Why not? Everything is fair game...like I have said in other places, don't tempt me into showing just how low I can go. This forum has no scruples, so if TNC wants to fuck with me instead of talking on point about Journey, I'll do what I do and I don't give a damn what you or anybody else thinks about what I say.

[The_Noble_Cause]

BECAUSE THEY WERE *CONSTANTLY* ON TOUR.

You mean to say they couldn't install a recording studio on the bus like they have done with JSS?

Bullshit. The people of this thread are insisting that Augeri's writing skills are crap, that he gives no inspiration to Neal or Journey. That's all bullshit. The FACT is that Neal himself said that hearing Augeri songs, meant for a solo album, is why they did Generations.

If his songs are so good, why were they mostly shelved?
Why are his writing credits on every album so sparse?

The EXACT SAME THING was said about Augeri when he was hired.

What a shameless limp cock you are.
Neal and Augeri never even wrote a full song together at the time of his hiring.

If JSS sings, we'll get one album at most and then it will be nothing but touring - I say that because that is the band's recent history.

Yep, and according to you the Perry dvds won't sell jack squat either, right?

They have givena HELL OF A LOT...Two albums, and EP, a DVD, a soundtrack song - and a TON OF TOURING.

Surely, you can't be serious.

Go take your turn with Lula.

Sounds enticing, but me and Deano aren't that close.
How about me and Dean come over and tag team that pig of a wife of yours instead?
Is our tab still in effect?

[Lula]

Why not? Everything is fair game...like I have said in other places, don't tempt me into showing just how low I can go. This forum has no scruples, so if TNC wants to fuck with me instead of talking on point about Journey, I'll do what I do and I don't give a damn what you or anybody else thinks about what I say.

I see. So you find yourself unable to argue intelligently and think taking cheap shots at me helps?? Just confirms what I've thought..... full of hot air

[Glenn]

Why not? Everything is fair game...like I have said in other places, don't tempt me into showing just how low I can go. This forum has no scruples, so if TNC wants to fuck with me instead of talking on point about Journey, I'll do what I do and I don't give a damn what you or anybody else thinks about what I say.

I see. So you find yourself unable to argue intelligently and think taking cheap shots at me helps?? Just confirms what I've thought..... full of hot air

I think you will find alot of folks have your back Lula...Me included.

[Monker]

You mean to say they couldn't install a recording studio on the bus like they have done with JSS?

Irrelevant. They should have taken time off to PROPERLY DO AN ALBUM. IMO, Journey albums shouldn't be recording on a bus anyway. How ridiculous.

If his songs are so good, why were they mostly shelved?
Why are his writing credits on every album so sparse?

Doesn't matter. The bottom line is that Generations exists because it was inspired by Augeri. That is a FACT that can not be denied.

What a shameless limp cock you are.
Neal and Augeri never even wrote a full song together at the time of his hiring.

So what. Point is the propaganda surrounding Augeri was EXACTLY the same as you are spewing for JSS. EXACTLY THE SAME.

How about me and Dean come over and tag team that pig of a wife of yours instead?
Is our tab still in effect?

If fantasies about my wife gets you off more then Lula and Dean, whatever gives you a release...doesn't bother me!

[The_Noble_Cause]

They should have taken time off to PROPERLY DO AN ALBUM. IMO, Journey albums shouldn't be recording on a bus anyway. How ridiculous.

If an Augeri-led Journey wasn't motivated to record and now an Augeri-less one is, isn't there a common denominator here?

Doesn't matter. The bottom line is that Generations exists because it was inspired by Augeri. That is a FACT that can not be denied.

It was thru sheer happenstance that they even did the album.
The fact that Neal needed to be "inspired" in the first place tells me more than I need to know.

Point is the propaganda surrounding Augeri was EXACTLY the same as you are spewing for JSS. EXACTLY THE SAME.

In the case with JSS it's not propaganda.
I have "SoulSirkus" in my grubby little hands and it owns.
It's tangible, it's real.
His chemistry with Neal isn't hearsay or rumor, it's manifestly evident.

whatever gives you a release...doesn't bother me!

In that case.....
Bite down real hard on this ball and gag and bend over...

[A Fire Inside]

In that case.....
Bite down real hard on this ball and gag and bend over...

Doesn't that go against your homophobic insults?

[JrnySuxBalls]

And Steve said "it wasn't until the last moment of doing this record that [Jon] came in - literally into the studio with a few masterpieces."

Did they ever record them?

[McNeil]

Oddly enough, Steve Augeri is the reson we got Generations. He was writing for a solo project and brought the work in. That apparantly inspired the guys to get off their asses and put together a CD. Granted, the CD was hurried and featured very little Augeri material...but ti still came about BECAUSE of their lead singer.

EXACTLY what I have been trying to point out. I don't think it's all that 'ironic' either. They heard it, like what they heard, and decided to put an album together. Augeri was the catalyst - that's the bottom line.

Monker.. dont know the history of why you get so much "stick" here, but I must say... yr reasoning behind Augeri's appointment by the band is very sound.... Ive said before, if you respect the musical abilities of Schon Cain etc etc, you must also realise that they were not going to employ someone who wasnt up to the job at the time... if you dont agree with that, what are you trying to say people? that Schon/Cain purposely employed a singer who couldnt do the material justice..well thats absolute bollox isnt it??

Augeri, whether you Perryheads or Sotarians like it or not, kept this band going all these years..and is part of Journey history..forever. One of the finest Journey tracks ever, "Higher Place" was sung by Augeri, and his legacy is the reason why you all still post here today. You can hypothesise, and say, "well if it wasnt Augeri, it would have been someone else", but the facts are. it wasnt someone else, it was Steve A that inspired the band to continue. period... end of story.

Ok.. it ended in tears, but dont dare suggest that you havent enjoyed parts of the last 8 yrs with the man, if you do, your a lying son , or daughter , of a bitch!

Get real. swallow your pride, and recognise that he will always be part of why Journey still exist today, and that is unalterable people, no matter how much you all bitch and whine.

I remember when I first viewed the 2001 DVD, shit man, I smiled all the way thru, not quite believing how good it sounded..someone was actually carrying off these tracks, and with style..I dont give a flying fuck whether it was overdubbed in parts...every pro live DVD is overdubbed..its standard bleedin practise ffs!!!! If you think that the record company is gonna let major product out with flubs on it, you live in laa laa land!!

I still watch that DVD, and catch my breath at times, witnessing a kind of rebirth of Journey, that I thought would not be possible

So what if his voice blew out... it doesnt rub out all the good stuff that went before... I still play Arrival alongside Frontiers, and it stands up

Im a Perryhead, and Augeriloon too... and proud of it ...haha

[Andrew]

Enough of the tit for tat you lot....go outside and pick a flower or something...

[McNeil]

Enough of the tit for tat you lot....go outside and pick a flower or something...

I sometimes get the feeling you are "on my case" Andrew... yr comments always seem to come just after I make a statement on a thread.... maybe Im paranoid....

Cant I be excused like others, because Im passionate about it too?? please, pretty please!!

Until you or someone else spills the whole story, I have nothing to go on, more than my own instincts. Maybe some here, who have the knowledge, can base their views on the facts, but until I have them, I speak from my own perception of events. Anyone care to enlighten me? Im always prepared to change views when presented with the facts

[Andrew]

EVERYONE on this thread needs to go pick flowers.

[Matthew]

Oddly enough, Steve Augeri is the reson we got Generations. He was writing for a solo project and brought the work in. That apparantly inspired the guys to get off their asses and put together a CD. Granted, the CD was hurried and featured very little Augeri material...but ti still came about BECAUSE of their lead singer.

dont dare suggest that you havent enjoyed parts of the last 8 yrs with the man, if you do, your a lying son , or daughter , of a bitch!

I can honestly say that - aside from the verse in "The Place In Your Heart" - I haven't enjoyed a single minute of Augeri's vocals since he joined the band.

Now if you'll excuse me I have some flowers to pick....

[Red13JoePa]

Jon cain's songwriting abilities are toast. No way could he write material for Schon and Soto. JMHO.

Go fry an egg.
"Faith in the Heartland" is a true Journey epic.
Jon and Neal haven't missed a beat.

Faith In The Hearland

Schon/Cain/Augeri

Augeri's got credit on at least 6 on Arrival and at least 6 on Gens, and 1 or 2 on Red13....if I'm off, I'm still very close.

[NealIsGod]

Jon cain's songwriting abilities are toast. No way could he write material for Schon and Soto. JMHO.

Go fry an egg.
"Faith in the Heartland" is a true Journey epic.
Jon and Neal haven't missed a beat.

Faith In The Hearland

Schon/Cain/Augeri

[Glenn]

I don't know if this was mentioned but didn't Jack Blades help write some of Arrivals best tunes?

[Rockindeano]

.every pro live DVD is overdubbed..its standard bleedin practise ffs!!!! If you think that the record company is gonna let major product out with flubs on it, you live in laa laa land!!

Dude, if you think the DVD 2001 is live, you are so wrong it isn't funny. Augeri's vocals were so bad, they had to throw his ass in a studio to redo the vox.

I still watch that DVD, and catch my breath at times, witnessing a kind of rebirth of Journey, that I thought would not be possible

Do you get hard watching that bumbling fool in his hot red leather pants shuffling back and forth like a white MC Hammer?
Are you one of those fat, ridiculous BT housewives?

So what if his voice blew out... it doesnt rub out all the good stuff that went before... I still play Arrival alongside Frontiers, and it stands up

Now I know you are retarded. Stands up to Frontiers? My God, go choke your chicken or some shit.

Im a Perryhead, and Augeriloon too... and proud of it ...haha

Two words:

Drug Test.