Perry, Sony, Solo vs. Jrny and the TBF Fall Out

[AR]

Oh come on AR. Why are u trashing Perry so bad these days? He sang plenty back in the day. I bet u still listen to his music today, don't u?

Of course I loved Perry's singing.

Just sick of him being called "the voice" the only Journey vox, etc.


The house fraus only remember the studio tracks. They haven't heard the horrendous version of Ask the Lonely in 86 that I could have sang better.



Yes, I love the recordings. I hate the hero worship.

[Deb]

He hates his fans.

Beg to differ.......but hey you're on a trip, so carry on.

[Shadowsong]

I wouldn't be so quick to think "Steve is smart" and "Neal isn't"

Neal is just ballsy and honest. I talked to the dude...I love the fuck out of him, and the reason? He is honest. perry? He is saavy and I don't believe he thinks up his own options.

Didn't say Neal wasn't, please re-read the post. To the contrary, I wrote it was a smart move for Neal to document the dynamic on camera.

I don't know....... the way he was hanging all over Perry in most of the WOF pics was kind of nauseating, don't ya think.

They were all high on the event
The day was magic
I think Neal was genuinely happy to have Steve attend & share in this great day that they all had a part in making.
It was just a moment
where there was no past or future
The time was ethereal.
For an hour or so
there was no differences
they were just immersed in the glory of the day

I was there
Steve was there
It was pure magic!

I felt the rush for days & I think Steve did too!

[AR]

Steve was such magic
He was the voice
Such magic

PUKE

Sing now old man!

[Deb]

I wouldn't be so quick to think "Steve is smart" and "Neal isn't"

Neal is just ballsy and honest. I talked to the dude...I love the fuck out of him, and the reason? He is honest. perry? He is saavy and I don't believe he thinks up his own options.

Didn't say Neal wasn't, please re-read the post. To the contrary, I wrote it was a smart move for Neal to document the dynamic on camera.

I don't know....... the way he was hanging all over Perry in most of the WOF pics was kind of nauseating, don't ya think.

They were all high on the event
The day was magic
I think Neal was genuinely happy to have Steve attend & share in this great day that they all had a part in making.
It was just a moment
where there was no past or future
The time was ethereal.
For an hour or so
there was no differences
they were just immersed in the glory of the day

I was there
Steve was there
It was pure magic!

I felt the rush for days & I think Steve did too!

True.

[AR]

They were all high on the event
The day was magic
I think Neal was genuinely happy to have Steve attend & share in this great day that they all had a part in making.
It was just a moment
where there was no past or future
The time was ethereal.
For an hour or so
there was no differences
they were just immersed in the glory of the day

I was there
Steve was there
It was pure magic!

I felt the rush for days & I think Steve did too!

But did he SING?

NOPE!

Bwahahahahaaha!

[Deb]

They were all high on the event
The day was magic
I think Neal was genuinely happy to have Steve attend & share in this great day that they all had a part in making.
It was just a moment
where there was no past or future
The time was ethereal.
For an hour or so
there was no differences
they were just immersed in the glory of the day

I was there
Steve was there
It was pure magic!

I felt the rush for days & I think Steve did too!

But did he SING?

NOPE!

Bwahahahahaaha!

AR, there is actually a man behind that voice.

[ArnelRox]

They haven't heard the horrendous version of Ask the Lonely in 86 that I could have sang better.

Can u share that one? Enlighten us.

& one question: if Perry came out & sang now, would u take all this back?

[AR]

Can u share that one? Enlighten us.

Sure, In 86 the song was so rushed it sounded like crap. Boots to prove it. Perry had no respect for his own material on ROR, but is STILL the "voice"

Yes he was great, but for god sake ENOUGH. He hasn't sang a note live since, what - 94?

one question: if Perry came out & sang now, would u take all this back?

No. He's disappointed his fans and bandmates for way too long.

If he DID come out and sing and was any good I would give him props though, for sure.

Until then, he is dead to me.

[ArnelRox]

Can u share that one? Enlighten us.

Sure, In 86 the song was so rushed it sounded like crap. Boots to prove it.

Can u share the boot please? I haven't heard it.

[AR]

Can u share the boot please? I haven't heard it.

I've posted it before. Give me a day or two, and I'll dig it up again.

[ArnelRox]

Can u share the boot please? I haven't heard it.

I've posted it before. Give me a day or two, and I'll dig it up again.

Thanks. & don't forget u owe us some H&O tunes of u singing too. (I remember EVERY promise a man makes to me )

[AR]

Thanks. & don't forget u owe us some H&O tunes of u singing too. (I remember EVERY promise a man makes to me

I totally forgot. Promise I will do that.

[ArnelRox]

Thanks. & don't forget u owe us some H&O tunes of u singing too. (I remember EVERY promise a man makes to me

I totally forgot. Promise I will do that.

I'm waiting Jackson erm I mean AR.

[AR]

I'm waiting Jackson erm I mean AR.

I was trying "Late for the Sky" & Lawyers in Love" earlier. Still working on the mix singing into the computer. I'm ok, but don't want my voice completely isolated. - I'm not THAT good. LMFAO.

[RedWingFan]

Can u share that one? Enlighten us.

Sure, In 86 the song was so rushed it sounded like crap. Boots to prove it. Perry had no respect for his own material on ROR, but is STILL the "voice"

Perry probably started realizing he couldn't do it justice any longer and walked away from the easy $$$$ of his fans packing arenas. Sounds to me like he "respected his own material" enough to not pad his pockets any longer. On the other hand you have the rest of the band -minus Steve Smith of course who had so much "respect for their own material" that they had a singer lipping shows to continue to stuff their pockets.
Neal goes off and starts Soul Sirkus and promptly loses his ass. Then has to return to having "respect for his own material" and continues to roll tape.
Perry did respect their material, it's the rest of the band that had to keep the traveling jukebox rolling, and the $$$$ rolling in.

[Matthew]

Steve's big "F.U." to Sony. As an Artist, your most valuable commodity, your most valuable weapon in negotiation is your craft, your skill. Steve did the album because he wanted to create new music. He walked away to teach Sony a little lesson about "No Support." Even though it's His music, in Perry's skewed ego and mind, he was showing them -- giving back a little of the bad taste they served him. One bad turn deserves another.

It's a plausible theory to some extent - except if Perry really wanted to give Sony a "big F.U" he could have refused to record the album. Instead Perry showed up, honoured his contract and the record sold over a million copies for Sony.

Sure, the opportunity for revenge probably did present itself at a later point - but it might have been in addition to many other factors too...the hip, the concerns about his voice on tour, the reluctance to spend all his time with old bandmates playing the same old songs and so on.

Yes, I'm sure Sony's treatment of his solo stuff made him feel less obliged to promote the album - and Sony's protestations probably did give him a certain satisfaction - but I doubt he rejoined Journey as part of some sinister masterplan to 'get them back'.

[Matthew]

Neal is just ballsy and honest. I talked to the dude...I love the fuck out of him, and the reason? He is honest.

Deano - I'm amazed you are saying this. I read your blog every day when it was up and running - and I really admired how you made a stand against the band's dishonesty re: the use of tapes. And you often addressed Neal Schon directly in your blog.

The whole episode was genuinely inspiring because a fan forced a corrupt band to 'go straight'.

Now...only two or three months later...you have not only tried to shift the blame for Tapegate entirely on to Augeri (which as I've said you didn't do at the time) - but you're also making the case that Schon never knew about the tapes and that he - unlike Perry (who has never defrauded his own fans) - is an "honest" guy.

Sure - you're a fan and want to move on - that's totally understandable - but equally it's bizarre that you of all people are portraying Schon as a blameless man of integrity.

[Matthew]

He hates his fans.

Beg to differ.......but hey you're on a trip, so carry on.

Hey Deb - pass that "WHATEVER" sign over...I want to lift it up too.

[Eric]

No matter what Perry is now, he was the greatest vocalist in rock history for his 77-83 contributions. Sure, ROR, TBF and FTLOSM all sucked ass...but 77-83 makes up for it all

[ProgRocker53]

If Steve Perry would've sucked it up and put his ego aside for the TBF recording and tour, I guarantee that album would've been a killer success and the peak Journey lineup would still be together today. Even with Perry half-assing it, I still loved TBF. Imagine if he would've let loose!

[Granny]

If Steve Perry would've sucked it up and put his ego aside for the TBF recording and tour, I guarantee that album would've been a killer success and the peak Journey lineup would still be together today. Even with Perry half-assing it, I still loved TBF. Imagine if he would've let loose!

Here's my 2 cents-- not that anyone cares--but I loved most of TBF--His voice is definitely different, but you can still certainly tell it is SP, but sounds more mature, raspy, lower key, and fantastic.( don't forget sexy). Don't forget WYLAW was nominated for a grammy-as u all know--so how bad could it have been.????

[Matthew]

No matter what Perry is now, he was the greatest vocalist in rock history for his 77-83 contributions. Sure, ROR, TBF and FTLOSM all sucked ass...but 77-83 makes up for it all

Eric - I can understand why you might not like the arrangements, production and even the 'r n b' influence in the post '83 albums - but Perry's vocals were still incredible from "Street Talk" onwards don't you think?

[Carrington]

If Steve Perry would've sucked it up and put his ego aside for the TBF recording and tour, I guarantee that album would've been a killer success and the peak Journey lineup would still be together today. Even with Perry half-assing it, I still loved TBF. Imagine if he would've let loose!

I agree with the success of a 1996-97 tour, FORBES ran an artical saying that the "upcomming summer tour" was possiably going to the biggest tour that year with projected profits of 50 million (in 1996 dollers).........

that would have been as big as ROR if not bigger.......

and OF COURSE, I would have had front row seats whatever the price....

[The_Noble_Cause]

Why in the Hell did he ever go through the trouble of doing the TBF record if he never had the slightest intention of touring. He lied to Neal and Jon.

Why in the hell did Neal and Jon ever go through the trouble when they already had Rolie and Chalfant on standby raring to go, and Herbie Herbert stating that Perry was purposely yanking their collective cranks?

[NealIsGod]

Why in the Hell did he ever go through the trouble of doing the TBF record if he never had the slightest intention of touring. He lied to Neal and Jon.

Why in the hell did Neal and Jon ever go through the trouble when they already had Rolie and Chalfant on standby raring to go, and Herbie Herbert stating that Perry was purposely yanking their collective cranks?

Cain and Rolie would have been in Journey together?

[NoMoreTails]

Why in the Hell did he ever go through the trouble of doing the TBF record if he never had the slightest intention of touring. He lied to Neal and Jon.

Why in the hell did Neal and Jon ever go through the trouble when they already had Rolie and Chalfant on standby raring to go, and Herbie Herbert stating that Perry was purposely yanking their collective cranks?

Maybe the same reason they let him jerk them around in 85 and 86 instead of moving on with someone else then and having a real band, greed.

[The_Noble_Cause]

Cain and Rolie would have been in Journey together?

Though never elaborated on in detail, most fans believe that was the plan.
Chalfant had been writing with the guys.
Monker knows about this, he can elaborate.

[The_Noble_Cause]

Why in the Hell did he ever go through the trouble of doing the TBF record if he never had the slightest intention of touring. He lied to Neal and Jon.

Why in the hell did Neal and Jon ever go through the trouble when they already had Rolie and Chalfant on standby raring to go, and Herbie Herbert stating that Perry was purposely yanking their collective cranks?

Maybe the same reason they let him jerk them around in 85 and 86 instead of moving on with someone else then and having a real band, greed.

You'd be correct.

[NealIsGod]

Cain and Rolie would have been in Journey together?

Though never elaborated on in detail, most fans believe that was the plan.
Chalfant had been writing with the guys.
Monker knows about this, he can elaborate.

Monker? Oh, great...