OT - Bobby Knight

[Saint John]

One of Knight's secretly taped, expletive-laden halftime speeches was circulating on the internet about 5 years ago. Anyone have it? It's unbelievable. Post it if you got it.

Haven't seen that, but there is a download of Bobby knight's top 10 greatest soundbites....it is absolutely terrific because he manages to pull it all off without ever cracking smiles...
The "game faces" is ALL TIME.


I'll reiterate my own read on him is as a perfectionist with a bad temper but who has never broken a law or NCAA rule and who turns out quality indivuals who are prepped to be successes in life.

He will tell you, though, that he is NOT the coach for everyone. For example he told Charles Barkley to take a hike when The Round Mound Of Rebound wanted on Knight's winning US Olympic juggernaut in 1984.

Your best post ever! Coach Knight IS a winner who produces quality individuals. While his methods are unorthodox, his results are untouchable. The fact that he turns average players into team players that win is incredible. I don't think he's ever had a top 10 recruiting class. If he had Coach K's recruits or Bill Self's, he'd have 10 national championships by now. So many big time high school players won't go near him because they're afraid they might have to use more than just their God given abilities.

[yulog]

That entire rant is about him not the team, his concern was only how he looked ,extremely motivating -----im guessing anyone who agrees with knight's actions probably has no problem beating/hitting their own kids

I won't write what I want to! But it is clear i like to jagoff to Bobbie K.

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[conversationpc]

Your best post ever! Coach Knight IS a winner who produces quality individuals. While his methods are unorthodox, his results are untouchable. The fact that he turns average players into team players that win is incredible. I don't think he's ever had a top 10 recruiting class. If he had Coach K's recruits or Bill Self's, he'd have 10 national championships by now. So many big time high school players won't go near him because they're afraid they might have to use more than just their God given abilities.

Larry Bird decided against IU as did other unselfish players. If I were a parent of a teen who was skilled as a basketball player, I wouldn't want my kid around him simply for the fact that he has an anger management problem. It's not all just an act.

[Blueskies]

Daltonsdad= WTF?????
Yulog= It's ur av, but hate it!

[yulog]

are you saying you dont like my ride??

[Red13JoePa]

The Neal Reed episode was legitimately The General being a dope.

THIS was NOT a Neal Reed. Not by any stretch.

[conversationpc]

The Neal Reed episode was legitimately The General being a dope.

THIS was NOT a Neal Reed. Not by any stretch.

I agree that it isn't a terriby huge deal but I also don't agree that he gave him a "tap" on the chin. If he would've "tapped" him much harder, he might've knocked him on his ass.

[Blueskies]

are you saying you dont like my ride??

Are u smokin' something out in the desert or do you blame it on the sun?!!

[yulog]

BOTH!!!!!!

[Blueskies]

[daltonsdad]

That entire rant is about him not the team, his concern was only how he looked ,extremely motivating -----im guessing anyone who agrees with knight's actions probably has no problem beating/hitting their own kids

I won't write what I want to! But it is clear i like to jagoff to Bobbie K.

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Nice edit of my words LOL! I would guess that's more of your type of enjoyment! LOL! Funny you are! You may want to look at my original reply rather then the amusing version of it above! LOL!

What I simply said and wanted to say initially but refrained is:
In summary, anybody who concludes Knight beats women or concludes one beats their child because the support they show a great coach who turned out many mentally healthy, degreed, productive members of society is simply a jagoff. I take offense to anyone saying that, implying or anything near such an assertion when referencing the most precious gift a person has in life! Simply put I bet you are also a race accepting challenged individual as you seem very interested in PREJUDGING! Your true colors shine!

Go get on another bandwagon Sheep! Not everyone agrees and what I see on here whether band related etc, the mainstream try and beat the others opinions down.

[yulog]

That's really what he needs is to have his ass kicked in public. He's a pompous jerk that has been treated like Jesus Christ at Indiana and Texas Tech.

I am an Indiana boy and fan of Bob Knight forever! You all only see the crap! Not rare for ANY coach to do the same things Bob does and get no airtime. I know I have had the chin grab a few times in my years in sports.

The positive this guy does in taking youths and making them successful men is incredible. Inner city guys get a chance to live a normal life thanks to Bobby. His graduation rate is unparallelled when combined with his winning totals.

Ever played on a team with a coach's son on it with a guy like Neil Reid? I have and those horse's asses need slapped around. They come from daddy and have attitudes as large as the sky many with mouths to match. I say hail to the general and more kids need a good foot in the ass. I know mine paid off for me many times over!

Read a little about Bobby's work with foundations, his kids/players, heck man the revenue he helps bring in at any school he is at by WINNING, helps countless kids attend college that may otherwise not be able to due to the funds produced. Is he a bit over the top sometimes? Yes. Is he a racist, Out of control, a negative influence on the kids? NO WAY!

Well heres your quote--you obviously have no problem saying that they "need slapped around" "and more kids need a good foot in the ass" but then your offended that someone would guess you have no problem hitting your own kids. So are you saying that its okay for the coach to slap around these kids but that you would never do that? Also ,that he's a great guy even if he slaps kids around and puts his foot up their ass. Violence begets violence, its also an easy way out when trying to get someone to do something. I'd be more impressed if he could get what he needs from his players without threatening, headbutting or choking these kids

[donnaplease]

That's really what he needs is to have his ass kicked in public. He's a pompous jerk that has been treated like Jesus Christ at Indiana and Texas Tech.

I am an Indiana boy and fan of Bob Knight forever! You all only see the crap! Not rare for ANY coach to do the same things Bob does and get no airtime. I know I have had the chin grab a few times in my years in sports.

The positive this guy does in taking youths and making them successful men is incredible. Inner city guys get a chance to live a normal life thanks to Bobby. His graduation rate is unparallelled when combined with his winning totals.

Ever played on a team with a coach's son on it with a guy like Neil Reid? I have and those horse's asses need slapped around. They come from daddy and have attitudes as large as the sky many with mouths to match. I say hail to the general and more kids need a good foot in the ass. I know mine paid off for me many times over!

Read a little about Bobby's work with foundations, his kids/players, heck man the revenue he helps bring in at any school he is at by WINNING, helps countless kids attend college that may otherwise not be able to due to the funds produced. Is he a bit over the top sometimes? Yes. Is he a racist, Out of control, a negative influence on the kids? NO WAY!

Well heres your quote--you obviously have no problem saying that they "need slapped around" "and more kids need a good foot in the ass" but then your offended that someone would guess you have no problem hitting your own kids. So are you saying that its okay for the coach to slap around these kids but that you would never do that? Also ,that he's a great guy even if he slaps kids around and puts his foot up their ass. Violence begets violence, its also an easy way out when trying to get someone to do something. I'd be more impressed if he could get what he needs from his players without threatening, headbutting or choking these kids

Looks like he was speaking figuratively, not literally, to me anyway. I've been around a lot of 'coach's sons' over the past several years (coach's daughters, too, for that matter), and yep, they do sometimes think they're above the pack because of their status. Certainly Coach Knight is unorthodox in the way he treats his players, but wouldn't you agree that each and every player knows what they're getting into when they sign on to play for him. There are probably some, too, that need that kind of discipline to make the most of their ability. I'm not saying it wouldn't bother me to see my child man-handled by him, though.

It really doesn't matter, 'cause we all know that Coach K is the best coach in the NCAA!!! Go Blue Devils!!!!

[daltonsdad]

Finally someone gets it. Figuratively speaking is the concept here and I fully understand violence begetting violence. I have seen some kids I went to school with who I know suffered at the wrath of a czar and now their kids seems to get the same, at least I would interpret that by what I see when I go back home and am around some of them at reunions and the likes. I am glad I am not there because I probably would have been put in a very bad situation if I had been. Alcohol & drugs are usually the culprit in my opinion.

For your information teaching children a little respect for elders, others property, and for themseleves requires a firm hand and I will spell that out for you "figuratively speaking". My son is extremely respectful, kind and loving and all parents, teachers and coaches commend his attitude routinely. Why? He was taught right from wrong everyday. I have nothing but pride in the way my son has turned out and I only pray he continues to get the message about all of the ills out in this world. I also hope he rememebers and knows he DOES help make it a better place by his actions, kindness, and selflessness. I would be very disappointed if he ever turned out like some of the other people in the world, you know the kind, the ones who barrel through traffic without regard to others. The kind that elbow ladies out of the way to get into the train, grocery stores, parking places. The kind who generally are self centered, think they know everything and value others opinion with very little consideration. Those who think anyone different than them in income, race, religion is "beneath" them. Those who are judgemental! Oh wait I think I have seen that attitude here recently. I wonder who that was?

In order to judge someone, you ought to know a little about them not just how they feel about a College Basketball coach. I have love for him and support him because I grew up where he was worshipped. I also went to his Camps as did many of my friends. In addition, I know a lot about what type a person he really is. His work for the Univeristy, the state and the Cities of a state and for many kids who never would have had a chance in the world. Is Bob explosive? You Bet! I thinks it is called passion! I saw the incident and watched and watched but really didn't see harm done! Should he have done it? In retrospect I am sure he would answer NO WAY! There are so many coaches that do much worse, only he is a winner and people envy those with success! It is natural I guess!

[yulog]

So because he's a winner we should let him get away with that behavior?---Barry bonds is a winner should we let him get away with using drugs to hit all those homers because hes a winner?--or say the olympic contestants who one their races but got caught using steroids--let them keep doing that because they were winners?

[daltonsdad]

So because he's a winner we should let him get away with that behavior?---Barry bonds is a winner should we let him get away with using drugs to hit all those homers because hes a winner?--or say the olympic contestants who one their races but got caught using steroids--let them keep doing that because they were winners?

He has paid for the past mistakes. The thing the other night didn't look like anything other than trying to get the kid to look at him. No harm, no foul! And you are right physical abuse is another thing entirely and I believe intent is all part of it. Abuse is not something anyone should condone. This simply does not fit that definition.

I guess by stating he is helpful and geuinely cares for others as well as his dedication to his family, his players and even their families, character I believe has a bit to do with judging the intent.

Does anyone remember Woody Hayes, that's abusive!

[donnaplease]

So because he's a winner we should let him get away with that behavior?---Barry bonds is a winner should we let him get away with using drugs to hit all those homers because hes a winner?--or say the olympic contestants who one their races but got caught using steroids--let them keep doing that because they were winners?

He has paid for the past mistakes. The thing the other night didn't look like anything other than trying to get the kid to look at him. No harm, no foul! And you are right physical abuse is another thing entirely and I believe intent is all part of it. Abuse is not something anyone should condone. This simply does not fit that definition.

I guess by stating he is helpful and geuinely cares for others as well as his dedication to his family, his players and even their families, character I believe has a bit to do with judging the intent.

Does anyone remember Woody Hayes, that's abusive!

Has anyone ever seen a football coach grab a player by the facemask to get his attention? How was this episode with Coach Knight different from that???

Here's "THA MAN!!!!!"



I took that picture, it was freakin' awesome!!!!

[larryfromnextdoor]

if bobby knight wins tonight , then
he is the winning-est college coach
of all time.. its on espn 2 tonight...
its a big deal here today..

[Red13JoePa]

Yep, all gonna happen tonight, and I'm pumped for the General, Lar.

[larryfromnextdoor]

getting stomped ,, BIG TIME ,, might have to wait till next week

[Red13JoePa]

Down 14 now...maybe Sunday.

[Saint John]

Your best post ever! Coach Knight IS a winner who produces quality individuals. While his methods are unorthodox, his results are untouchable. The fact that he turns average players into team players that win is incredible. I don't think he's ever had a top 10 recruiting class. If he had Coach K's recruits or Bill Self's, he'd have 10 national championships by now. So many big time high school players won't go near him because they're afraid they might have to use more than just their God given abilities.

Larry Bird decided against IU as did other unselfish players. If I were a parent of a teen who was skilled as a basketball player, I wouldn't want my kid around him simply for the fact that he has an anger management problem. It's not all just an act.

It wasn't meant as a blanket statement. Ironically, I think Larry Bird would've been the perfect player for Bobby Knight. Also, I hate the word "kids.' They're 18-22 year old men. Hell, they're old enough to join the service. As far as I know, Bobby Knight has never so much as put a bruise on a player. And for the record, I think Neal Reid is a pussy. With that said, yes, I do think he HAS crossed the line a few times. BUT, he gets FAR more attention than coaches involved in point shaving, booster gifts and many other ILLEGAL practices. Yet he gets far more publicity than the aforementioned assholes. Lastly, the players that he's had (Isaiah Thomas, Steve Alford and Calbeart Chaney to name a few) attribute much of their successes to his supposed "wicked ways."

[Red13JoePa]

I agree that it isn't a terriby huge deal but I also don't agree that he gave him a "tap" on the chin. If he would've "tapped" him much harder, he might've knocked him on his ass.

Kinda true, Dave....there are demolished buildings that haven't been "tapped" that hard.

Ah, the hell with it. Tough Love, right?

[larryfromnextdoor]

I agree that it isn't a terriby huge deal but I also don't agree that he gave him a "tap" on the chin. If he would've "tapped" him much harder, he might've knocked him on his ass.

Kinda true, Dave....there are demolished buildings that haven't been "tapped" that hard.

Ah, the hell with it. Tough Love, right?

ole boy looked like he was going to have a heart attack at any time last night,,, head down ,, ect... until the last 3 min when tech started playing tough and coach ran out on the court and got a technicle... btw... the arena is a 15,000 seater.. united spirit arena,, i think they gave away 13,000 tickets so it would look good on tv!! wow.... they kept saying it was sold out,, it was free ,and i still didnt go,, i like to watch it on tv!

[conversationpc]

BUT, he gets FAR more attention than coaches involved in point shaving, booster gifts and many other ILLEGAL practices. Yet he gets far more publicity than the aforementioned assholes. Lastly, the players that he's had (Isaiah Thomas, Steve Alford and Calbeart Chaney to name a few) attribute much of their successes to his supposed "wicked ways."

Very true. I'd much rather have my kid playing for Knight than someone like Jim Harrick, for instance. That guy's been busted for recruiting violations at least twice, if not more.

[journeywoman]

Try my State KENTUCKY..... need I say anymore?